Daniel 8

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Well, good morning Would uh One of you gentlemen like to open us up with a word of prayer any takers
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All right, Brian Mack, would you open some up with a word of prayer? Yes, I'm him
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Daniel chapter 8 Read the whole chapter in The third year the reign of Belshazzar the king a vision appeared to me
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Daniel Subsequent to the one which appeared to me previously I looked in the vision and while I was looking
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I was in the citadel of Susa Which is in the province of Elam and I looked in the vision and I myself was beside the
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Oolac Canal Then I lifted up my eyes and looked and behold a ram which had two horns was standing in front of the canal
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Now the two horns were long and one was longer than the other With the longer one coming up last
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I saw the ram it was budding Westward northward and southward, but no other beasts could stand before him nor was there anyone to rescue from his power?
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But he did as he pleased and magnified himself and while I was observing behold a male goat was coming and From the west over the surface of the whole earth without touching it and the goat had a conspicuous horn between his eyes
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He came up to the ram and had that had the two horns Which I had seen standing in front of the canal and rushed at him in his mighty wrath
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I saw him come beside the ram And he was enraged at him He struck the ram shattered his two horns and the ram had no strength to withstand him
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So he hurled him to the ground and he trampled on him There was no one to rescue the ram from his power then the male goat magnified himself exceedingly
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But as soon as he was mighty the large horn was broken and in its place came up for conspicuous horns
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Toward the four winds of heaven and out of them came forth a rather small horn
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Which grew exceedingly great toward the south and toward the east and toward the beautiful land
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It grew up to the host of heaven and caused some of the host and some of the stars to fall to the earth and it trampled them down it even magnified itself equal to the commander of the host and it removed the regular sacrifice from him and placed his
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Sanctuary in the place of his sanctuary was thrown down and on account of the transgression
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The host will be given over to the horn along with the regular Sacrifice and it will fling truth to the ground and it will perform its will and prosper
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Then I heard a holy one speaking and another holy one said to the to the particular one who who was speaking how long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply while the
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Transgression causes horror so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled and he said to me for 2300 evening and mornings then the holy place will be properly restored
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When I Daniel had seen this vision I sought to understand it and behold standing before me was one of the one who looked at me as a man and I heard the voice of a man between the the banks of Uli and Called out and he said
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Gabriel give this man an understanding of the vision So he came near to where I was standing and when
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I came I was frightened and I fell on my face But he said to me son of man understand the vision pertains to the time of the end
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Now while I was talking with him, I sank into a deep sleep with my face to the ground, but he touched me
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He made me stand upright and he said behold I'm going to let you know what will occur in the final period of the indignation for it pertains to the appointed time of the end the ram which you saw
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With the two horns represents the media and Persia the shaggy goat represents the kingdom of Greece The large horn which is between his eyes is the first king
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The broken horn and the four horns that arose and its plate replaced the four kingdoms which will arise from his nation
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Although not with his power in the latter period of their rule when the transgression has run their course
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A king will arise insolent skilled and intrigue his power will be mighty, but not by his own power
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He will destroy with an extraordinary degree and prosper and perform his will and he will destroy
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Mighty men and the holy people and through his shrewdness. He will cause deceit Succeed by his influence and he will magnify himself in his own heart and he will destroy many while they are at ease
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He will even oppose the Prince of princes and he will be broken without human agency the vision of the evening and mornings
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Which is which has been told is true But keep the vision secret for it pertains to many days in the future and then
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I Daniel was exhausted I was sick for days that I got up again carried out the king's business
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But I was astounded at the vision and there was no none to explain it. Well, it's been
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About two years or so since the last vision that he got in Daniel 7
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You know it ended it with the end of Daniel 7 that he grew sick and pale and he had to keep
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Trying to keep the matter to himself. Do you understand what happened in chapter 7?
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What made Daniel sick? anybody remember Did he eat something bad did he drink some bad water was the wine too fermented, what was it?
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Yeah, he made him sick the fact that oh here it is. There's gonna be this time of restoration Remember that he had just seen this vision of the
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Son of Man that was gonna give the kingdom to his people But then he talked about that fourth beast which a little horn was gonna rise out of it
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And it was gonna persecute the people of God It was gonna trample them down and he was gonna make war with them and it made him sick to his stomach
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Okay, that brings us to It's all it's almost like God says, okay
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I'm gonna let this guy gather his senses with his stomachs not hurting anymore And then I'm gonna give him another vision that's gonna make him sick again and that gives he gives the vision here of The in the third reign of Belshazzar.
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He gives him another vision now This chapter 8 chapter 11 and 12 are so detailed in its prophetic material that Liberal scholars say that there is no way that this was written by Daniel himself
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That this had to be written after the time they took place now if you believe in The inspiration of the by the
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Spirit of God to Scripture and you believe in predictive prophecy That's no problem for us. But eggheaded liberals.
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They say there's no way this could happen That's why that a lot of people believe that Daniel I say people Academia believe that Daniel was written in the 2nd century not the 6th century
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BC. Okay What time Does some some believe it was written in 2nd century
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BC meaning after all of this after the time of this This other little hornet raises itself up in the third kingdom and but it's actually written in the 6th century
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Remember, we're working towards zero. Okay Towards Christ remember if you're looking at the timeline everybody follow me
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BC this way. Okay So Daniel it has this vision
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It says he was looking this is in verse 2 I looked in the vision while I was looking
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I was in the citadel of Sousa in the providence of Elam first of all Is Daniel in the citadel of Sousa Correct no, he's not it's a vision and what's the difference between vision in a dream?
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That's it that's the easiest way to figure it out it ones one you're awake and one you're not he is in the citadel of Sousa now if you were going to take the
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Right here. This would be The Euphrates and this would be the
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Tigris This is actually where he says he's having his vision now over here
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This is about right here He's not in the
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Persian Empire He is having a vision of being in the Persian Empire. Okay. He is actually still under the control of what
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Empire at this time He's in Babylon Okay, he's in Babylon.
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So he is he's having a vision of this second world power. That's gonna come
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It's gonna come about It says he's in the providence of Elam if you were to take it it would be
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This The providence of Elam was about like that That was part of the
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Persian Empire would be sort of like a state. I guess you would say Hey little buddy
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And he says and he looked in the vision. He was beside him beside the Oolac Canal He said he lifted up his eyes and looked and behold a ram which had two horns was standing in front of the canal so This is you got a ram and this is
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Not really what the ram looks like, but he's got he got a horn Okay I should get her to draw me a picture.
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She draw me some good pictures last time and then he's got another horn How does it look like that? That looks like hairs
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I'm better at drawing maps So So he's got a got a ram and it says
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There were two horns and one was longer than the other now we're seeing what's called parallelism again, you remember what it when the when we saw the
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Colossus of the of the A the giant statue back when
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Nebuchadnezzar had his dream. What was Media Persia? It was the arms and chest remember two arms, okay, then when we get to the beasts, what was it it was a bear
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That was what was wrong with the bear He was jacked up. Yeah, he was jacked up on one side because meaning the media
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Persian Remember the medians come along. They're more ancient the Persians come along later
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History, but the Persians rise up to be much greater. They become much bigger and Their exploits become much greater
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Well in this case, he's saying the same thing It's just a parallel that one of those horns comes up now
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I would say what causes this to this is in 550
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BC Cyrus Then unifies
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To the alchemy and I ain't gonna spell it Because I ain't be able to the alchemy
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Alchemy did Dynasty and this will go on in desert season everywhere, but he unified them
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He became one of the greatest rulers of and this guy's huge now in history
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Go ahead and say whom
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I think this is He Becomes the leader that takes the conquest to its to probably one of its furthest till you get the time of Xerxes but Xerxes and begins to To tax the the mess out of his people for his war campaigns and all that So anyway, you have this guy unifies it raise it up.
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He begins to make his campaign It says and I saw the ram this is in Verse 4
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I saw the ram it was budding westward Northward and southward.
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Why would it be budding in those directions? Let's just let's just think about that for a second if this is the capital
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Of Persia, he's gonna go what way
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West you gonna go this way You're gonna go this way You're gonna go this way
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This is the furthest there their plate. They didn't go when he didn't go this way
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Okay, they didn't they didn't go towards the Indus River. They didn't try to go into India They didn't he didn't try to go into those areas, but he did head towards the west
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That was most of his campaign was headed to the west and it says that they he budded and went
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Westward northward and southward there was no beast that could stand before him and what did the beast represent so far?
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What has beast represented? kingdoms world powers Empires political, okay
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It could they couldn't stand before him and nor was there anyone there to rescue him from his power
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We could even say and we'll get to this at some point Even when Cyrus the
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Great Darius the mead comes in he takes over Babylon and he takes it over Could could the kingdom could though the armies of Babylon withstand it?
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No, actually if they came in and overtook it with almost little to no bloodshed
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It was some but little to none and it's interesting how he did that when he came in They dried up the
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Euphrates he dug canals to reroute the The the
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Euphrates so that his armies could cross the river and then they came into the gates under it
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It's actually awesome. You got to read it in history how he did it absolute mastermind and I do believe that does when we get to Revelation talks about the drying up of the
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Euphrates in the fall of Babylon and all that It's it's it's remembering how the fall of Babylon happened.
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And how did it happen? They dried up the Euphrates in the Great Babylon in in The fall of Great Babylon or the whore of Babylon in Revelation What does it talk about how that takes place the drying up of the
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Euphrates so that the armies could comes in? Signifying some another great fall at the end of the age
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So here it is. There's no one that could stop his power. He did as he pleased and he magnifies himself so you had
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The Persian Empire doing whatever they want. Nope that they were unstoppable for 219 221 years depending on how you see that you had
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Everyone from Darius yet Cyrus the Great you had there who's
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Darius the mead you had The Darius's you had then the dollar desert seas and Xerxes Okay, it would be when as they continued their campaign this way and I'm gonna have to you would come to This would be like Asia Minor This right here would be as they pushed this way the
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Persian Empire through And it's full and it's full
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Incursion would have been under Darius the third as he is moving this way already conquered most of this heading this way
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He then goes into Asia Minor. He's gonna go across there and he's going to go into Thrace and try to He's gonna try to overtake
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Thrace. He's going to try to subdue Greece and Macedonia Okay, as he's doing that he is subduing all those nations around and as he's doing
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So he is taking some of the Macedonians. He has taken some of their little villages he has also now taken some of the
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Greeks and Decided to say hey did not you've submitted to me. I'll save your life
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I will pay you to fight my wars for me. So you have Greek mercenaries so It says here
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That while I was observing This is verse 5 a male goat was coming from the
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West over the surface of the whole earth without touching the ground So now you've got this giant ram with these two great horns, right?
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Now you got a goat is a goat big compared to a ram
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No, hey me and Luke were on the way home a few weeks ago Remember that chick we see walking the goat down the road out here
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She was walking a buck down the road I was like, look at that chick. I thought it was a big old dog.
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It was a big old goat That was funny. So I Thought we thought it was a big dog.
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I'm I think that horns So you got this ram who's
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Does whatever he wants and then all of a sudden in this vision this male goat appears and it is like floating across the earth
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So just imagine It be getting his brain. He's seeing this vision. Here's the globe and he sees this like supercharged floating
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Floating go to burn, you know going across the earth if it's floating not touching the earth.
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That means it's doing what? And it's moving fast. It's moving quick It says and it was coming from the
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West over the surface of the whole earth. Nothing was touching it. So This little goat that's coming up has
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Realized he don't like what this this Rams been doing This goat says
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I want to raise up An army and I'm gonna take it back now
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He goes back this this raising up would have been around with Philip of Macedon Which would be
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Alexander the Great's dad. Okay, he goes back And says hey, do you remember?
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They the Battle of Thermopylae Anybody remember that we talked about this early on Battle of Thermopylae where the 300 movie was?
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Okay, the Persians killed those men. They killed Sparta. They had subdued them took over there
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Okay, they subdued Greece they had as and I think it was in 492 as Xerxes came into his first incursion into Into Greece he tried to push back on to overtake it that they actually did push them back
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The first time the second time he comes in he they were unable to withstand it
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Athens fell Obviously Thermopylae fell and they were subdued so Macedon had not
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Filled the Macedon after that that would have been a 490 for 480 490 would in battle
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Thermopylae then Along comes Philip of Macedon and he begins to go back and say you see what they have done to our people
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They have enslaved them. They have taken our women to be their wives.
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They have taken our property and They have paid our men to fight against us So he says you know what?
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We're gonna start taking back our land and what he did is he used that hatred to fuel the fury to go against the
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Persian Empire in the meantime around 336
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Yeah around 336 Philip of Macedon is murdered He is murdered by a guy named
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Posseus Posseus was believed to be his homosexual lover who got who got
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Jealous of his new lover and Killed him. There's much speculation how all that came about but they believe it was masturbated by the
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Persians to have this done So that it would stop Philip of Macedon from coming in and taking over Just starting to take this land back.
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Okay when he dies Alexander the
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Great was a young man. He'd have probably 18 to 20 Come on in and he hey, hey
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That's all right. Hey, miss Eleanor. Hey Good morning
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So He dies Alexander the Great takes power.
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He is told he's the king. He goes back He is instant. He is not only the general
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He's the king of Macedon and he the he then says, okay, we're gonna
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I'm gonna finish What my dad started and not only that I'm gonna do it better Aristotle his
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Aristotle was the tutor and teacher of Alexander the Great, okay
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Alexander the Great this is what is said he told Aristotle a 13 14 year old boy.
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He said once my dad takes over Greece and Thrace There'll be nothing for me to take
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And he said he pulled he pulled out a map of the world Aristotle did and he said
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You take all that Interesting when you think about what was put into the brain of Alexander the
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Great by his tutor and teacher and not only that he was reading Homer's Iliad and if you know anything about Alexander the
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Great his life was basically trying to relive that story He thought he was
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Achilles and he began as he when he was found On his campaigns he had
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Homer's Iliad with him and that's basically even one of his friends says hey, this is who I am This is who you are.
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We're gonna take over the world That was Alexander the Great's Desire was to rule the whole world and he used it with hatred and fury towards the
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Persian Empire For what they did to their people and he he did it very swiftly.
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So his dad dies in 336 You got to see how fast this is in time
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Because when you see on a map where he's got to go, it's crazy His dad dies in 336
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BC He's got to go back to He goes back to Pella which is the
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Macedonian capital Basically receives that he's got to take care of a couple of issues in Thebes Only if y 'all remember that they didn't want him to be king
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He wiped out some 6 ,000 people burnt the place to the ground left one his favorite One of his favorite poets left his house intact.
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That's it What I mean just laid waste to it enslaved those that didn't that he didn't kill and took them off He's he basically made
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Thebes This is what I'm gonna do to anybody that doesn't that doesn't fall up under what I'm saying to it
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That's basically what he made an example In three This is
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Alexander takes crown It will be in 334
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He will go to Granicus and I don't have no room to do that over there the battle of the
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Granicus River He then it is heard that Alexander is has taken over areas of Macedonia and starting to take back stuff in Greece Darius the
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Darius the third dispatches people and Mercenaries Greek mercenaries go stop.
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Whatever Alex is doing Slowing down they come over as they're fixing to cross the the
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Granicus River with 37 ,000 troops. Okay, and they're fixing to take on a hundred thousand infantry and 10 ,000 cavalry and They lay waste to them
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He pushes them back Alexander wins just like you know,
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Alexander didn't lose anything, but his life at the end. He didn't lose anything He lost a battles.
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He didn't lose anything. He was he had when you look at a wins and losses
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He had this he had none there. He was a winner. All he did was win win win
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So Granicus River they win Then 333 the
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Battle of Isis Darius says okay.
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I Lost here. I'm gonna send reinforcements. I'm gonna send the real deal this time member
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He sent Grecian mercenaries to help take care of his own Those he didn't kill
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Alexander Enslaved sent them back now Remember when he sent them back
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He had already told his people the reason why we're going to fight the Persians is because we're liberating them from the
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Persians What did Alexander the Great do with Grecian people here though? He enslaved them
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He enslaved those mercenaries, although he saw them as traitors that did cause some friction at that point
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This here cause some friction back at home he will win that back here
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He is draining money to fight this battle here He is now as he's making his but the
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Isis is over here as he's traveling this way He's he is getting temples.
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He's getting banks He is he is pillaging everything to help his campaign to pay his 37 ,000
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Cavalry and send money back home for his for Antipater and his mama who were keeping it holding the fort down while he's gone.
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So Battle of Isis comes Darius says I'm all I'm gonna fix him He sends the real deal.
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He says the Immortals and all that from the only thing about the Immortals Okay, since all of those guys there
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Alexander smashes them again Not only does he smash him
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That coward Darius leaves his wife And his daughter behind Yeah, guess who catches them
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Alexander the Great So They recruit
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Darius the third says I'll get him this time Battle of Guagamela Darius the third tries it again
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He gets wasted He gets on as he has to run He has now lost his kingdom and it is at 331 that the
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Persian Empire Falls to Alexander the Great fueled with fury.
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What does the text say here? Text said it was that goat was fueled with fury
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Hatred Hatred towards what the Persian people had done to the Empire The as they went into the
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Greeks and Thrace and into Macedonia Alexander the Great then
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Conquers them at Guagamela Darius the Great it runs. He loses his kingdom.
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The Persian Empire is no more and in 331 the Persian Empire is now run by What he wanted to be called the king of Kings Alexander the
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Great Just to let you know the great did not come from Alexander That didn't come until the
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Romans came along and they called him the great He he preferred to be called king of Kings He continues his campaign
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Overtaking all the way to the Indus River And if I had The Indus River they take it all the way over to India they sail the
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Indus River Taking over villages Expanding his empire.
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They thought the Indus River was the furthest place to go and It was not but they thought that was the furthest reaches.
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They got some of them when they got there his men said hey We were we're done. We can't continue to do this
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He Said well, then if this is it if this is where the furthest reaches Then he put them some of them on a boat let them sail down The Indus River into the ocean let them see what they had conquered.
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He said I'll go back We'll regroup start making reforms. This was around 326 he makes his way to battle on He makes his way back to Babylon He's Regrouping for another campaign because he he is a conqueror if he's not warring he ain't happy So he's making a campaign to go down into Arabia And as he is planning to do that, they have some drinking parties
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He gets drunk. He either gets there's Multiple different sources say that he got drunk got fever
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Some say he was poisoned Ultimately, we don't know but we know this when he did die he died in Babylon and he did he had one heir to the throne through his wife one of his wives
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Roxanne and That child was soon killed along with Roxanne and any mother heir that was going to be
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So therefore that left His four generals
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Cassander Lysimachus Ptolemy and Seleucus now
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This is what wind up being okay, he had some other generals But it says here remember if we saw the leopard had what four heads you remember?
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So the these are the four and this even says here that four horns The large horn that grew up out of that goats head, what was it?
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Who was it? Alexander the Great Alexander the Great when he magnified himself He dies it breaks off these four horns arise four horns mean powers political
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Political authority or armies that his his empire splits into these three
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I mean to these four He takes Greece Macedonia Lysimachus gets
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Thrace Asia Ptolemy takes
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Egypt Palestine He gets
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Syria that's where The four horns come up now and we're running out of time
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It said back as in verse 8 said the male goat magnified himself exceedingly.
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It grew a large horn It broke out and went across the four winds Then verse 9 out of one of them came forth a rather small horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south
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Toward the east and toward the beautiful land now out of those
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Four it says one grows
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And it grows to the south These go away these two
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Begin to fight and they fight a lot Political alliances are made between the two to try to keep it from going on matter of fact
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I think I said this early on who thought whoever thought Cleopatra was
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An Ethiopian Egyptian she was not she was Greek Matter of fact Philippa Macedon's wife first wife.
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Her name was Cleopatra. They were Greeks Macedonians There is a couple of Cleopatra's that come out and hit the
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Ptolemy Empire but the one that will rise up out of those four will be the
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Seleucids and You will have
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Antiochus's one Seleucid ones Antiochus twos and Seleucid twos
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Antiochus threes and Seleucid threes and then you will have Antiochus the fourth
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And that is who the little horn that ray got raises itself and moves itself
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Towards the beautiful land and it says it grew up to the host of heaven causing some of the host and some of the stars to fall to the earth
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It trampled them down It even magnifies itself equal with the commander of the host and it removed the regular sacrifice from him and placed his sanctuary
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I'm sorry, and the place of his sanctuary was thrown down. It's saying let me
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Antiochus the fourth is the man's name He raises himself up to be a man that hates
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Jewish culture He hates the Jewish people he begins to make incursions into Palestine he's actually on his way to Egypt to fight with Ptolemy again and on his way there he is stopped by the
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Romans and We have a number of cliches that come out of the book of Daniel we have the writing on the wall but we also have one that comes out of there called the line in the sand and Antiochus on his way there is
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Cap is cut off by the ships of Katim and we'll talk hey some of this gets even more explained towards the end of the book
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He is he is on his way there. He is going to fight Take Egypt.
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He stops the ships of Katim from there the guy the general for the Roman fleet Comes up to him.
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He takes a stick Put the circle around him put the line in the sand
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He said you ain't coming out of there do you tell me if you want to make peace if you want to make war He said you step out of there without making peace.
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The Roman fleets are coming and Knowing he was overmatched
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Antiochus Epiphany left with his tail tucked between his legs he left being
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Humiliated in front of all of his people and on his way back He's gonna stop by the beautiful land he's gonna stop by the land of Israel and where he had
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Large amounts of money needed to continue his campaign. He was gonna rape and pillage and take the temple gold and strip it and He had a desire to Hellenize not
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I would say he even had a desire to make Greek culture worse than Alexander Alexander when he
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Once he had conquered all of the Persian Empire. He began to have Persian tendencies
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Some of those men didn't like that some of his they hey man Look, we were getting rid of the Persians because we hated them now we have
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Persian Influence coming in on our king. So when he died you had these other men raise up who hey, you know what?
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we don't want anything but Hellenistic culture throughout the world and Antiochus Epiphanes was going to do
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Hellenistic cult culture throughout the known world or in his region by the sword and We got two minutes
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So I'll stop right here so we can take some questions because next week we'll finish next week this chapter
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But we're getting into a man that is known in history no debate There is no debate in this book as a who this man is in history
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No, no debate at all He was he hated the Jewish people. He persecuted Jewish people
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He hate he his desire was to kill all the Jewish people that didn't Hellenize themselves any questions disagreements clarifications
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Have I fully confused everybody Have I yes, ma 'am
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I Am coming from Daniel chapter 8 and What's it what's good about Daniel 8 is when
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Daniel asked him the question. Hey, can can somebody help me?
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understand this the There's no No room for error.
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The next that the ram that you saw was who? Persia the goat that you saw is
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Greece so Daniel knew hey the ones that are coming to overtake the Babylonians was going to be the
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Persian Empire good Yeah, he yes and I was gonna get to that next week there is he as as he raises himself up to be
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Quote the man of the Seleucid Empire He claims himself to be
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God and he he renames himself Theos Antiochus Epiphanes which means
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Antiochus God manifest now because of his ruthless and hateful treatment towards people his his subjects called him
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Antiochus Epimenes Epimenes means madman So that's how that's how his subjects saw him.
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I don't think anybody was running up to him saying hey Antiochus Epiphanes because he would
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Very quickly, but that's how his subjects and he was a bloodthirsty madman,
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I Even will say and I can at least Show you from the text that his hatred that was fueled towards the
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Jewish people at this time I believe was a demonic power because it says what he does go back if y 'all want to read this for next week
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We'll get into it. It says that he doesn't do it with his own power He doesn't do what he does with his own power and even as we go further into the book
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You're gonna see the Prince of Persia is a demonic power and he even even when
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Michael says hey I've got to I've got to leave and quit fighting the Prince of Persia I got to go protect
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I got to go protect the next one because of the other powers that are coming it's showing the the demonic and Spiritual forces that are in the unseen world.
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We're actually going to get to a part in the book where there is like this angelic fight in the sky
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Where that takes place? I don't know somewhere up there But we're going to see that these powers although Ordained by God raised up by God who raises up Alexander the
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Great's Who throws down Alexander the Great's? Who raises up the
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Antiochus Epiphanes? God does who's gonna throw him down? God's going to Yes, sir
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Yes Actually, I would say even at at the time of Alexander the
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Hellenistic the culture had already began start to infect the Jews There is even you can read in Josephus.
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I think it's antiquities book six chapter 11
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I think it's around section three 300 400 something like that You can go and see there is an interaction where he has taken over Tyre which took about a year
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He has come down to Gaza and as Alexander the Great's making his campaign towards Alexandria, which he wasn't
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Alexandria yet He was gonna conquer Alexandria and make that the capital in Egypt. He comes through and is going to conquer
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Jerusalem and As he comes through there these guys aren't
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Hellenized they closed the gates Don't let him in he's humiliated. He's gonna get up the next day.
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We're gonna wipe him out We're gonna go in there. You know, I ain't give him an option. They closed the gates on me. Supposedly that was on the
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Sabbath that's why the gates were closed and The next day they show up Jadus the high priest at the time said hey,
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I had a vision from God He told me all was dressed up in white meet him out there they meet Alexander the
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Great and he says The Bible talks about you, dude
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Seriously, that's what he does. He says God free a day
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Daniel Predicted your rise. No, she didn't say your fault. He said you'll rise and he said
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I'm gonna save this city God has ordained me where I'm at now He didn't know he didn't understand it the way we would but he did understand that Hey the the
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God of all creation had ordained me to where I'm supposed to be This man is recognizing that there is a
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God over all things that has put me in my position and he stayed the city He stayed the city and he went on to do his other stuff and taken
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Alexandria and all that But you can read that in Josephus antiquities if you want And then next week we'll pick up We'll pick up in verse 9 so that we can get some of the context we'll talk about the 2300 evening and mornings and then we'll get we'll get to the end