September 18, 2018 Show with Kyle White on “The Dark Night of the Soul: the Case & the Cure”

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You know the Lord is utterly amazing with his sovereign acts of providence. I, as many of my listeners know right now because of my Facebook posts, I am battling a deep depression right now and have been for the last several days and it's just utterly amazing to me that several weeks ago without knowledge of this being my state of mind today, we had already booked an interview for today with Kyle White.

He is a first-time guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, highly recommended by my dear friend Pastor Mack Tomlinson of Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas. Kyle White is pastor of Community Baptist Church of Elmendorf, Texas, and we are going to be addressing today the dark night of the soul, the case, and the cure.

And it's because our guest today has taken his journey through this dark night himself, has actually written a journal on it, and is going to be sharing passages or entries from that journal today with us so that we may all benefit from the pain that the Lord has brought him through.

And it's my great honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Kyle White. Hey, Brother Chris, thanks a lot. Well before we go in to your personal testimony of salvation, which as you know is something we do when we have first guests on the program, typically anyway, tell us about Community Baptist Church.

Of Elmendorf, Texas. We are a church established in 1983. I'm the second pastor. Relatively small church, our membership. We refer to ourselves as Sovereign Grace Baptist Faith by that. We do mark that as the history relate to.

The task of taking the gospel to... Well we will be, God willing, announcing the website later, but just in case I forget, our website for this church is cbcweb .net. Cbcweb .net. Well if you could now, before we go into our major theme here on the dark night of the soul, I would appreciate it if you could give our listeners a summary of your testimony of salvation, what kind of religious atmosphere, if any, you were raised in, and what providential circumstances the Lord raised up in your life that drew you to himself and.

Eventually saved you. Well, Brother, I think that my testimony of salvation raised in genuine as far as religious faith. From that time... You know what I'd.

Like you to do? I would like you to go right into that in a minute, but I would like you to define for our listeners the phrase, the dark night of the soul. There's something unique about that. It's not just your average depression.

It's not just feeling melancholy, sad. This is something very unique. If you could define.

What you mean by the dark night of the soul. Yeah. Yeah. It is a season in which it seems that God has departed, and it seems as if no matter... it seems that everything is an effort. Every act that once was engaged comes an absolute struggle.

Reading the Scriptures, praying, even though one who is truly... point up even wondering if indeed he has and he has... You can go right into your story now, and by the way, I want to.

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Okay, well, Chris, I do.

Think it's important for me to state that I am not addressing... I'm not addressing medical issues here. This is something that's... I don't even know that I should compare. I'll just say that this is something that is distinct from that, but it could happen in conjunction.

If it wasn't just... mine was circumstance. 2001 else who was... Of course. ...deep confidence that I know cannot be shaken by any argument. God's Word continues to be of hope in him, waking strength from him.

I am seeking to lay hold of each from this long, dark, hard season in which my faith is. I love him, but feel that I come very short in demonstrating the love he deserves. I still am affected negatively of logical nature that do not have answers.

By the way, that was one of the deep days later in February. Lord, my life is yours to do with me and mine as you please. You have given and you have every right to take away, or to do with me as you please, in good and not evil.

You clearly demonstrated that by sending your son incurring death by way of resurrection. Thank you for sharing my joy, my strength. I will trust in him. My journey to the Celestial City continues. My struggles of faith are not what they once were.

I'm very thankful to my loving son. I have walked through very... could not say to me through the darkest of times. Every time he would see me at it, I preached. There's the overview. Well, do you... One of the things that is a.

Dilemma, I'm sure you would agree, at times, at least it's a dilemma to explain it to people or to even comprehend it in our minds, we who are believers in the doctrines of sovereign grace, sometimes we don't know whether to blame Satan for something that we're going through.

Sometimes we think that something is coming directly to us as a chastisement or a punishment from God. But the thing that we have to remind ourselves at all times is that even if Satan is attacking us, our loving and merciful and gracious God is permitting that to happen for a reason that he may only know and we may never know, especially this side of glory.

But how do you balance these things out in your mind? Obviously, even when we look at the circumstances with Job, every time Satan attacked Job in various ways, it was only by the permission of our.

Sovereign God. Sure, no question about that. And I, you know, I want to say more specifics about some of the sins that I came to see during that season when we talk about the cure. As I think about the experience, the case of the deserted soul, I'm convinced that when you're going through a dark season like that, it's hard to analyze.

It's hard to know. And I mean, I can say things on the other side of it for clarity now than I could have then, but I was wrestling with... I didn't know what all I was wrestling with. I got an entry here, for example, October 6, and this would be 2009.

Seems I have wrestled all night with demons of unbelief. I refer to it just as demons of unbelief. It's something that I had never experienced beyond this, yet it came back with full force last night.

Doubts about God, the gospel upon my soul. And that's, you know, that's where I was in my wrestling. I was everything. I questioned whether I was really a believer. I mean, here's a same month. Continue to have strong battles in my mind and soul regarding my own relation to God.

Why am I calling too many questions of unbelief flood my mind? The enemy? Are these my own reasonings? In either case, I would turn to the truths that I knew to be, and heard great battles of dissatisfaction with God's purpose.

Struggle. I mean, these are things that I never... I mean, I had all my theological arguments in place. All of those theological arguments melted away, and they didn't help me. And I'm just imagining there are others who that once seemed clear and satisfactory now seem to trouble me.

I cannot make anyone believe in the Lord Jesus Christ gospel and be satisfied with the results. I'm finding emotional difficulty in this. Help me, season ever end. I am tormented by doubts, perhaps, from some.

And so these were things that I struggled with. And when you're going up too many, there's not too many theological answers, at least in my case. There weren't too many theological answers.

Do you think that because of the fact, and you know, somebody will always wind up accusing me of broad-brushing, no matter what I say, but those of us who are theologically Calvinistic, Reformed, Sovereign Grace believers, however you want to phrase it, we tend to be more concerned with preciseness when it comes to doctrine and theology.

We seem to think that that doctrine is, and of course we're not incorrect in thinking this, but we seem to be above others, typically, more concerned that every jot and tittle is correct in our thinking.

And of course sometimes, because we are sinners, sometimes that leads to an over-judgmental spirit about those who disagree with us on comparatively minor issues, non-salvific issues. But of course, you know, every effort to, by the Spirit's guidance and through study, to be theologically as pure as humanly possible, that's a noble and good thing.

But do you think that because of that very characteristic of a typical Calvinist, if you will, that is why, during your dark night of the soul, it was theology that was a part of the thing.

That was tormenting you? I can tell you this. I mean, I've got some specific sins that I can point out, but I would say that I call cosmic questions. But it was connected family relationships, it was connected with family members, and so these questions would come in a haunting way.

See, I can ask some of those questions now, and it doesn't take me in saying, I don't know. And I can be satisfied, because fundamentally, my attitude toward God, and the foundation was messed up. My attitude toward God was wrong.

I reached recently a lot about that. His face from his people, it's almost always behind clouds of dust. Seeing that quote earlier, that may have helped. I was wrestling, I was struggling with the why, but convinced that what I believe it was a crisis of faith.

And maybe I'll just say this, every situation is different. And like you say, broad-brushing this subject, but I am convinced, sort of minimizing those deep that goes to the very right there, I don't, I can't, someone may be able to bring it, but if you didn't go, entering the kingdom seemed like sort of an easy process.

He said, at some point in your journey, you're going to face a trial. We have to go to our first break right now,.

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Now we are back with Kyle White on our theme, The Dark Night of the Soul, and we do have an anonymous listener. Pastor Kyle, the anonymous listener says, I know that you were married at this time during this dark night of the soul you experienced.

I was wondering how your spouse handled this and the rest of your family, and how did your congregation handle this? Was there any negative feedback? Were they all patient with you? Was there a mixture?

Please let us know. Yeah, you know, this.

Is, the answer to that really is part of the part of the cure, but I'll touch upon that. Actually, part of the, part of the, more detail with a, you know, I tried not to wear it publicly. I tried not to demonstrate it publicly.

I went about my business. I did the things that I, I was due to do for deals. I didn't, you know, hide somewhere. I kept on going as far as the church goes. Now that's just another. The elders knew I was struggling.

A season like that, formulate ideas, say that season was some. Well, thank you, Anonymous. Please keep listening to Iron.

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And beyond. That's it, and by the way, brother, if I could say something that I say, kind of negative though, and I actually tried to answer the cosmic questions that created so much, God is right. It doesn't matter.

It doesn't will change anything. It's not going to change God, and, and just having the answers to those questions just simply makes me smarter, but it doesn't change anything. I had to come to the place where I released back Psalm 131, size myself in great matters or in things too high for me.

There's like, I came to see that I was, I was entering into, I did myself as a weaned child, and that's where ultimately I came on form. Loves his child. It is not on his side. It's on my side. Sure, definitely.

This was huge. It is a lot of questions with what I'm struggling. I searched high and low. I was looking for testimonies. I was, you know, I think more than hide your faith. Shall I take counsel in my soul, having sorrow in my heart?

Long shall my enemy be exalted. I know this is prophetic. When he said my, and I mean, it might, it wasn't that every day was that deep, but with all those points, that it was that deep, and I, and that's the only cry that I had is, and, and, and then it, and then I just said that.

In addition to that, my God, my God, why indicated to me that sin was in the way, and I haven't worked all that on the show, but the connection between sin and this sense of departure. God hasn't really forsaken any of his own.

He promises that. He wouldn't do that. He says he hasn't. He says he won't. The one prayer, and this was the encouraging thing, is that God, he hasn't left us in the dark on this issue. He has given so much of his word to address this very struggle.

He would allow his saints to go through, bring upon his son. That, that's so important to keep in mind. He has not forsaken.

By the way, we have a listener in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, Ted, who says, it's very odd that Pastor White should mention Psalm 131 earlier, because I've been thinking of that Psalm all week for no readily apparent reason.

Interesting, yeah. It's kept me going through the season.

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Twenty years ago, the Institute of Reformed Baptist Studies at Westminster Seminary, California was born. For those two decades, these institutions worked together to train men for ministry in Reformed Baptist churches.

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We believe that the scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are the inspired and inerrant Word of God, that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh who came to save sinners by his life, death, and resurrection, and that the task of the Church is to honor and serve the Triune God in all things.

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Browse the pages at ease, shop at your leisure, and purchase with confidence as Todd and Patty work in service to you, the Church, and to Christ. That's Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service at cvbbs .com.

That's cvbbs .com. Let Todd and Patty know that you heard about them on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

And you can also call cvbbs .com at 800 -656 -0231. 800 -656 -0231. They man that phone line Monday through Friday, typically between 10 a .m. and 4 .30 p .m. Eastern Time. And if you order a minimum of $50 of merchandise, and you mention Chris Arnzen of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, not only will you get free shipping on your entire order of $50 or more, but you'll also receive absolutely free the journalable Psalm 119, published by Reformation Heritage Books.