October 19, 2020 Show with Geoff Thomas on “Illustrating How Knowing True Theology is Essential”

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I'm so thrilled to have back as a returning guest, one of my favorite guests to interview of all time, Reverend Jeff Thomas, who, beginning in 1965, served for over 50 years as pastor of Alfred Place Baptist Church of Aberystwyth, Wales.

He's going to be on with us two days in a row again. We love the fact that we started this tradition where he has been typically on the show as a guest two days in a row whenever he's on and I'm delighted that he has decided to do that again today and tomorrow, the 19th and 20th of October.

Today he is going to be addressing the theme Illustrating How Knowing True Theology is Essential and tomorrow, Tuesday, the 20th of October, he'll be interviewed on the theme Benefiting from Knowing True Theology.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Reverend Jeff Thomas.

Well, you have never failed me yet as being a superb guest, brother,.

And I don't expect anything different today and tomorrow. For the sake, again, of our listeners who are not familiar with Alfred Place Baptist Church of Aberystwyth, Wales, where you did serve before retirement from the pastorate for over 50 years and where your grandson is now pastor, tell us about that fine church.

I'm behind his name.

God, if anybody wants more information on this fine historic church, if you're ever visiting Aberystwyth, Wales, or if you already live near there, go to alfredplacechurch .org .uk. Alfredplacechurch .org .uk.

Why Knowing True Theology Matters for Loving the True Jesus

Well, you have selected two excellent themes for our two-day discussion with you and the first is Illustrating How Knowing True Theology is Essential and that's a very interesting theme because, as you probably know, there are multitudes in modern evangelicalism who would argue against that.

They would even argue vociferously against that. They would downplay the vital importance and they would downplay that it is essential to know true theology. They would basically repeat the mantra, just love Jesus, just love Jesus, and they seem to either not know or completely forget that if you're going to love Jesus, you have to love the true Jesus and the only way you can know the true Jesus is to know true theology.

But if you could, pick up where I left off there and tell us why you selected this very vital topic. One thing that I'm sure you would agree, on the one end of the spectrum, what you're saying is all absolutely true and something that is not only forgotten but even militated against in our day and age.

But at the same time, don't we have to be careful about not exalting one's understanding of right theology? Now, I'm not talking about the essentials of the truth like salvation by grace alone through faith alone and Christ alone or the Trinity or the virgin birth or the sinlessness and perfect obedience of Christ or about his substitutionary death, his bodily resurrection, things like that.

But sometimes we who are Reformed, and it's not only us, there are many different theological representatives that do this, but we have to be careful about not becoming puffed up and proud and belittle and be antagonistic and dismissive of our brothers in Christ who have not yet arrived to recognize and embrace some of these precious truths that you and I share and declare with great joy.

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He had been the pastor of Alford Place Baptist Church of Aberystwyth, Wales, for over 50 years. And he is a frequent speaker at Banner of Truth conferences as well as an author, having been published by Banner of Truth and Reformation Heritage Books.

That's it. And others. And we are delighted to have him for the next two days. Today, he is addressing, illustrating how knowing true theology is essential. And tomorrow, he's going to be discussing benefiting from knowing true theology.

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Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. And one thing that we always have to remember about these precious theological truths that we believe in, unless we get too haughty, because it's interesting that the very truths that we as Reformed Christians embrace as the key identifiers of what makes us unique as Christians, those doctrines of sovereign grace, those things are supposed to humble us, not exalt us, not make us puffed up and proud.

Is that right?

We just brought this up recently.

I don't mean you and I, but my friend, Pastor Kurt M. Smith, who just wrote a wonderful biography of George Whitefield, and we're actually going to be continuing our discussion on Whitefield this Thursday, God willing, with Pastor Kurt.

But thundering the word is really self-explanatory about Whitefield's manner of preaching, and there seems to be a disagreement not only amongst Christians in general, but amongst Reformed Christians as well, where some seem to think that it's inconsequential or unimportant as far as the manner with which one preaches.

Some would say that you must preach boldly and forcefully and with power, and you must at least, when it's appropriate, raise your voice. And some would even go as far on the opposite end of the spectrum to criticize emotional, passionate preaching as being an attempt to manipulate one's emotions in the audience and act more as if you are Arminian or semi-Pelagian or Pelagian from a pulpit in seeking to win converts.

So I happen to know that you are an extremely gifted preacher, and you could never possibly bore anyone listening to you because it is very obvious you are excited, you are enthusiastic, and you are passionate about what you are teaching and preaching and declaring.

So tell us about what you think the role of importance in regard to the manner of one's preaching is. So at the same time, you're dismissing the notion that it is required that a pastor of Reformed theology be very professorial and very academic, and I'm assuming you meant by that also it would be wrong for him to be devoid of passion.

In fact, you've got to pick up, it's a very important spot.

In Abraham Kuyper's conversion while a pastor, but if you could return, when we return from our break, if anybody wants to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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That's chrisarnson at gmail .com. And you were saying right before the break, I'm sorry I had to interrupt you, because it's always a fascinating story to hear, that you were talking about the conversion, the rebirth of Abraham Kuyper, the great Reformed scholar and theologian, who was actually saved while he was already a minister.

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