Trans-Normalization in Evangel Circles Begins

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The Nashville Covenant School Shooter Manifesto and the ERLC's Response

So We're gonna start off with the breaking news right now, which is What's essentially? Happened in the development of the Nashville shooting. We have an article here. This is from louder with Crowder and I I saw on rumble when he put this out there if you want to see some analysis and Steven Crowder reading this but this is the Nashville shooter.

The name is often Audrey Hale, but Aiden Hale I believe is the birth name but transgender Shooter identified as trans and this is Hot off the press. The title of the article is we have obtained exclusive access to the Nashville Covenant shooters manifestos many of you remember Aiden Hale shot students and teachers at a Covenant school in Nashville, which is actually right across from the street from a place.

I spoke in I think 2021 and The ERL sees actually President Brett Leatherwood his I don't know if it's son or daughter, but one of his kids goes to this school. At least one of them. So there are some connections to the Southern Baptists and I'm gonna talk about that a little bit as we get into this and just remind everyone about what the Southern Baptist did in reaction to this and Whether or not you think that was the right call given what we know now.

But Here are some screenshots of the actual manifesto so you have First it says death day is the Heading of this particular article and then it goes through the some of the thoughts of the shooter Before they committed the action and I'm noticing that there's some ads here.

Hopefully I can take care of those I hate these it's it's Crowder's website, and I understand he's got to monetize but I don't like it when the ads are Are like that anyway. So here's the manifesto itself a screenshot of it at least the first page.

And it says this is the day the day has finally come. This is on the 27th of March earlier this year. I can't believe it's here. Don't know how I was able to get this far. But here I am. I'm a little nervous but excited to been excited for the past two weeks.

There were several times I could have been caught especially in the summer of 2021. So it clues you into the fact that this was more than just two weeks. This was being planned. Apparently this hadn't been years in the making.

None of that matters now, I'm almost an hour and seven minutes away. So an hour and seven minutes away is another thing that should clue you into something it. This school is specifically targeted. It wasn't just a random school that fit a certain profile.

It was specifically targeted because He had to travel from a distance to get there. Can't believe I'm doing this but I'm ready. I hope my victims aren't. My only fear is if anything goes wrong, I'll do my best to prevent I think it says Anything I'm not sure what word that is of the sort but preventing anything from going wrong.

God let my wrath take over my anxiety. It might be ten minutes tops. It might be three to seven. It's gonna go so it's gonna go quick. I hope I have a high death count. Ready to die. It's underlined. Ha ha signed Aiden.

Which is interesting that? So Audrey was the name that this particular male was going by but He signs it with his name. I assume that's the birth name Aiden and Then there is a schedule here of the day's events.

Which shows you how organized this whole thing was. All the way from getting up getting dressed eating breakfast. And then getting everything ready and even going to the range the gun range Before and using a knife that had a car glass breaker on the the end of it.

Testing that out on some of I guess his dad's old cars. And then leading up to What Aiden says is time to die? So this is the the second part this is. So that was the schedule and then I guess this is page three.

This is all handwritten by the way in a notebook and these are screenshots that were from my understanding obtained by Stephen Crowder's show, but they were. They were sent to someone someone had these images sent to them I'm assuming from Aiden and so here's.

Here's another one. I think That's also Now I think Stephen Crowder was saying this was Audrey was the name up here, but it looks like Aiden to me and I can't tell I mean that looks like a why At the end.

So maybe that is Audrey but Either way this belonged to the shooter and it says kill those kids underlined three exclamation points. And then it says those crackers Going to and I will note I think everyone knows but I'm allowed to say that without censorship.

I couldn't say things that are equivalent about other. I Couldn't read I'll put it that way. I couldn't read a Manifesto. Hypothetically that that's similar to this if it was targeting other ethnic groups because this video would be taken down but That's that's the double standard and we'll talk a little bit about that.

That's not where I want to focus most of my time conservatives are kind of notorious for pointing out double standards. Which doesn't necessarily move the needle, but I think sometimes it's worth at least mentioning Jesus did it with the Pharisees at times.

So those crackers going to Private fancy schools. So schools is plural here. This means that Aiden wanted to target a specific school, but the Anger is there's an umbrella of anger that encompasses more than just that one school with those fancy khakis in sports backpacks.

With their daddy's Mustangs and convertibles. F you little and I'll substitute a word here poops. But obviously not using those words. I'm trying to keep this. I don't even know if I should attempt it.

You can't do family-friendly with this. So if you have kids, I would just say just be prepared because I'm not sure exactly what's coming next. In the episode depending on what people comment and please do comment in a live chat if you have thoughts on this or anything.

You want me to comment on. I? Wish to shoot you weak. And then a name for a donkey there and then a name for a male part with your mop yellow hair. So, you know, this is really getting into anti white anti-aryan type looking people.

Is this you mean you look at Aiden you think Aiden's a very? It's it's associated at least with like white suburban kids and Aiden looks very white and and. And the kind of person that would fit this demographic that he's going after.

But with all the anti white rhetoric in the last few years, it's not Not a shock that someone would feel this way. I mean we've seen this kind of anger even from people in Christian circles and I pointed out many times.

In fact the writing was understandable you remember that who's that Raul Walter Strickland? I think said that you know, it's there was an understated. He understood why people were rioting and it's that they weren't being heard and so implying as Christians we all need to kind of understand this and.

Not that it's necessarily right, but give it a sympathetic treatment. I mean you you've had So many instances of this. I mean, it's hard to even I have so many like examples flooding to my mind from you know Matt Chandler's Anglo 8 to Tim Keller saying if you're white you could have an extra million dollar head start on life to just The what happened at Southern Seminary with various professors they're demeaning figures from white history like Thomas Jefferson and I mean, there's just so much of this in the Christian world let alone The secular world and and I don't need to go back over that those who listen to the show.

You're very aware of all of this. But just think about that narrative and that that hatred that that was supposed to. I mean this stuff was not. Oh, someone's actually commenting and saying the national shooter was a biological female born Audrey.

So I guess I got that reversed Transition to male and change name to Aiden. So, okay, that may be true. It was it's been a while since I covered it and I thought I remembered it being the other way around.

But I will go with what I'm being sent right now. So it's so so Aiden I guess is the not the birth name it's Audrey is the birth name. Sorry for that confusion there. And so actually that makes more sense to me now why?

Why she would use that name in particular so anyway this narrative though the interesting thing to me about this is This is mostly an anti white anti Pro-critical race theory type narrative kind of screed and She says a bunch of little and then uses a word Typically used to demean homosexuals with your white privileges F you and then that word again didn't mean homosexuals now.

This is I don't know why she would use that word term given her own identity. But clearly There's a problem here with hating people that come from her world. I mean people that look like her people with whom she has a connection and developing such a disdain for them you can even see I mean she's putting pictures of a target and a gun and shooting that gun at the target on this particular Journal or note paper that she had.

So that's the breaking news. That's the situation I'm sure so much more by the time even some of you listen to this so much more will probably come out. One of the listeners says I wonder if critical race theory was used as a curriculum in the school.

I wouldn't doubt it if there was some connection there and Bree and babes says she was white hating on her own. And that's I mean we saw that in 2020 a lot of the people who had the most in where I Were from where I was sitting at Southeastern I remember it was the whitest people in the whitest Communities going to the whitest churches seem to have the biggest problems with white people.

It was it was amazing. So So why was this censored until now. I don't know the answer to that question. But cripple Creek Carl asked that question and it's a good question, but I do know one thing. And thank you other people were jumping in to correct me on it was a biological female so I That was not intentional just so everyone knows on my part.

Obviously, I want to be correct with their true biology and I got that switched up in my head and I'm not sure why I did to be honest because I certainly knew in March. If you go back to those episodes that Audrey was a biological female, but anyway neither here nor there.

Why the ERLC Sought to Suppress the Manifesto

The One of the things I wanted to focus on here is What the ERL see Brent Leatherwood who's Has a connection to the school what they have done what they did do with this at the time. And if you're a Southern Baptist, this does have some relevance for you.

This is something to start thinking through to some extent the New York Times reported during this is right after I should say the shooting at Covenant School. Brent Leatherwood a Covenant School parent who has been present in court over the last few weeks said Thursday's developments made in an extraordinary day by any Definition from the outset of this case Mr. Leatherwood said in a statement and this is the key part We have told our attorneys to leave no stone unturned in our pursuit of the ultimate objective We have which is to prevent any of these writings meaning what you just heard me talk about.

Or any material that might inspire similar destructive events from ever seeing the light of day. He added no one either in the legal community or outside of it should doubt our resolve. This is resources that if you're a Southern Baptist and you're giving to the Southern Baptist Convention some of your money is going to the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission and some of that money went to These attorneys who were working Overtime apparently or at least working very hard according to Brent Leatherwood to suppress what you just heard me read now I find that a curious thing because I mean, maybe someone in the chat can correct me if I'm wrong here.

But has that ever been something that the URLC has put any resources toward in other similar? Circumstances where there's a shooting have they tried to? At least even even without attorneys publicly take a stand against releasing those manifestos.

I don't think so I kind of doubt it if someone has an example, I'd be curious to hear it. But they this was something that was very personal to mr. Leatherwood. Yet, there was something else he did at the time and here is a copy of it.

This is a letter and it's got the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention heading on it. Says office of the president dear lieutenant governor speaker and every member of the legislature.

This is Tennessee now. I was told this is going back now a few years. But I was told during Russell Moore's time that the URLC did not get involved in state political matters. They were more national matters.

And so that's the reason they didn't back the heartbeat bill that kind of thing. Well, clearly they have no problem backing red flag laws and Putting their efforts into that and on the state level in Tennessee because that's exactly what this letter and I'm not gonna read it for You we talked about it at the time goes over.

This is Brent Leatherwood the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission for the SBC. Encouraging people to vote for a red flag law now. This is there's nothing in here about transgenderism or the connections between transgenderism and mental health or just the violent tendencies and I'm talking about the violence that transgender people tend to do to themselves whether that's the In Just off the charts high suicide rate or it's mutilating their bodies or you know, things like that you would think that that would be.

Concerning if you're going if I'm saying if you're going down this road of saying we should limit people who have firearms. That should be probably one of the main factors, especially after a shooting like this, but there's nothing like that and.

And so this is where Southern Baptist resources were going in the days after this particular shooting. It took Steven Crowder it took a conservative political commentator and comedian to actually release this and he made the point several times in his podcast that in the release of this.

It was he thinks at least it was very possible that other larger media companies even conservative media companies Had the resources and ability to do the same thing, but were too cowardly to do so now I don't have any primary sources on that.

But that would I would I would just say that that makes sense to me at least that rings true with what I've seen even in the Christian world that It took him who's bold enough to put it out there to actually put it out there.

And I think it is something that probably needs to be put out at least if the standing tradition is these things are released which has been. That I can't remember a high-profile shooting that had one of these in which it wasn't released.

I mean, I remember reading the Dylann Roof Manifesto, I remember there was one in Buffalo, New York. That was a racially motivated shooting and I remember that was released and I mean most of these are.

There was one at a Walmart in Texas what two years ago. That was a climate change kind of manifesto I mean these things get released almost immediately generally speaking and The purpose at least I thought was to warn demographics of Copycats or at least to let them know that there there are evil people who want to target them so in the case of let's say the Charleston Church where You have someone who is specifically targeting black people.

It's important to warn black people that hey there's there's at least one person out there who used violence against you because he Doesn't want you around and if there are copycats if there maybe there are others who are involved with him.

We don't know all the information, but I think it's important to just be careful be on notice if you're in that demographic. I thought that was the intention. Maybe it's not maybe it's all just political.

In this case though, you have a Christian school and you have it's white people. It's white people who attend Christian schools In the suburbs fairly affluent people at least affluent enough to let their kids drive their Mustangs and Those are the kinds of people that should be put on notice but notice.

The media did not carry any kind of narrative. I mean normally the media doesn't even need a manifesto for that, right? They automatically jump to the assumption. It must be motivated by some kind of a right-leaning Motivation or a racially motivated against minorities kind of thing.

They didn't do any of that with this it couldn't have been linked to transgenderism. It couldn't have been linked to Anti-christian hatred or anything like that. And here we see that The suspicions apparently were somewhat vindicated that many conservatives had of this so that's.

That's the concern I have with Southern Baptist giving money to the URL see and then Brent Leatherwood using that money to hire attorneys. To suppress something like this. There's clearly an agenda there.

That is political and it's mostly it lines up with the left's political agenda which is if it's a shooting that they can use somehow to move the needle against their The the base of voters that opposes them then they will release it.

They will smear them. They will do whatever they can but if not If they can't use it in any way, it's suppressed. It's cover-up. It's make make it go away make it quiet and then blame the guns and That's exactly what Brent Leatherwood did.

It was blame the guns and So there's this is why I mean, I don't want to give people know people know what I think. I don't want to give everyone specific advice because everyone's in a different situation.

But for me, this is one of the reasons that I just couldn't in good conscience ever give at least To the to a general fund in the SBC where some of that money could go to the URL see I just couldn't do it that's a voluntary thing you don't have to do that just because you were born into an SBC Church and you Your church it has always been SBC doesn't mean it needs to continue being SBC and it doesn't even if it's SBC.

You should at least look into ways that you can Give if you have to stay in, you know Give whatever it is your $18 or $20 to stay in make sure none of that money's going to the RLC. That that would be my advice now, you know I think most of the entities have corruption issues in the SBC if not all.

So but but this is just egregious in my opinion. So Make Houston said it's definitely not always white kids who attend private schools. That's very true. But in the manifesto, it's white people who are singled out very explicitly.

So it's not just Christian school attenders. It is white kids who go to Christian schools. All right. So and pastor Michael Grant says the biblical doctrine of separation will require a person separate from the SBC at this point well, yeah, I mean if it requires you to Partner with evil then I would say absolutely and there are people who debate that and say well we can still be in and not Be in partnership with evil.

That's a very hard line to walk and increasingly a harder line to walk if you're in the denomination. So that's what I wanted to say about the SBC. Of course in this episode though. We are talking about Transgenderism and the normalization of that and.

Transgender Normalization in Evangelical and Christian Music Circles

And there are many examples that I'm even thinking of episodes. I've done in the past where we've talked about acts 29 networks. They had a pastor who was I guess affirming would be a fine label to use in Australia.

They had a pastor who was affirming or at least normalizing Transgenderism and there was a recent I think it was in Massachusetts. I played it a few weeks ago a pastor up there in the axe 29 network had also at least Made I don't know if you want to call what he said affirming but he was trying to talk about reaching out and making churches essentially safe places where they're comfortable and it was you know all all motivated by this trying to Evangelize by not being too critical initially, right and just softening that that approach.

And so we've seen this kind of thing for years really in Many circles we've seen this from gospel coalition articles. We've seen this. What was the one I think it was maybe it was TGC Australia again where you know Jesus had a body dysphoria or kind of some kind of a dysphoria and then that was somehow linked to Transgenderism or something like that there there it was weird, but there's a number of those things those those stretches that people try to make to accommodate and they're accommodating lifestyles of sin whether they know they're doing it or not this is you Know revoice and not revoice revoice certainly, but the living outs church Edge I don't know.

I'm trying to remember what they called it but it was a audit of some kind for churches to make sure that their church was inclusive of LGBTQ or people who? Believe that they are in one of those categories Tim Keller those supported it.

So this has been going on for a while and And and and so we're not gonna focus on all of that. But I want to give you a few examples of things that just let me know that things are going to the next level.

That there's a penetration of this ideology into Formerly evangelical circles that's going much deeper and that's going to continue I think for some time. So let's start with this one. This is an article from enemies within the church written by Kyle Witt.

Kyle Witt by the way former North American mission board for the Southern Baptist Convention church planner who? Whistle-blew on what Nam was doing and so Man of character and he wrote this the title is Max Lucado who of course very big in evangelical circles joins a conference with a transgender Christian speaker and I'll just read some of this for you.

Why is Max Lucado speaking at the? 2024 exiles in Babylon conference. It's a question. We would love an answer to though. It seems the answer may not be a good one. But what is the conference and is it truly a problem?

This is even more problematic in the wake of Andy Stanley's unconditional conference. Which was rightfully drawn more scrutiny to church leaders flirting with accepting homosexuality in some form or another.

So it makes it more concerning that Max would be joining the stage with a transgender Christian something that goes a step beyond what Andy Stanley did. Who would have thought Max Lucado would be going beyond Anne Lee Stanley and in the wrong direction?

But here we are the exiles in Babylon conference is an annual Christian conference hosted by Preston Sprinkle in Boise the primary topics. It covers our LGBT and racial reconciliation with this year additionally covering the church and politics and women power and abuse.

Funny how those things always seem to go together, right? We will briefly describe the issues here. But we prepared many profiles on a speaker for each topic to allow you more details as to why this conference is so concerning.

Those profiles are linked when each person is mentioned so there's more information essentially if you want to delve deeper as you read the article, but you can go to Eat WTC news .com EW TC news .com if you want to see more of these links.

So, let's see I I want to skip past some of this. Okay, so there was a speaker Kat La Prairie and the I guess for this conference the Advertisement said that she would be talking about LGBT people and the church.

Cat is a biological female uses they them or she her pronouns. Identifies as transgender because of her disconnect between her body and her eternal self now I'm almost afraid at this point to say biologically what she is, but apparently it's not a she.

Oh, it is a she. Okay. See, that's why I'm afraid I I just got it wrong. With the Audrey Hale situation. She is not a biological male. All right, so it's another she yes. Talking about transgender individuals is confusing when it comes to be being clear about who they are biologically.

But she is not the only concerning speaker addressing that topic. The only the one that we find particularly concerning is art and I think I'm pronouncing this right Pereira art Pereira a Celibate gay man who has sought to satisfy his desire for marriage and family by inventing a chosen brother relationship where he and He straight his straight friend have formed a Household together.

They've committed to maintaining that even after the friends gets married. This may sound strange, but art's own descriptions which can be found in as many profile or even stranger. This is just a taste to show what the conference's stances.

What their position on homosexuality is? Okay, so I'm not gonna get some of this is analysis. They have some other woke speakers. Apparently Chris Butler. Tiffany bloom. Chris Butler is a Democrat. Not simply by voting but he ran for Congress as a Democrat.

Okay, so I mean this is a woke conference you have. The Chris has written a book promoting the ideas of the progressives and campaign Tiffany Blum or bloom agrees with him yet. She takes it further by adding systemic oppression of women to the sins of America.

So she's got a feminist side to her. And she's part of what she calls the resistor hood Cohort class she clarifies that it's not simply feminism, but women's liberation. She believes and okay, so this is just This is like this is a woke fest.

That's what this is and guess who's speaking there along these with these others max lucado. So, you know, they're very disappointing to me at least he schedules scheduled to speak at this conference, which happens in 2024.

This don't don't don't miss this this is a This is another step down the road to depravity. Max Lucado wouldn't have done this. I don't think two years ago three years ago. He was talking about His I think it's my still most viewed video on YouTube go figure.

I didn't put a lot of work into it. It was just like one article about max lucado and I and I read it and gave some analysis, but he was talking about His own white privilege and confessing his own sins of racism because he didn't he wasn't compassionate enough and that kind of thing.

And and and that was a surprise to people at the time and there were people mad at me at the time because they thought That well, he didn't you're getting him wrong John. He didn't really mean that and I'm like, I'm just quoting him.

Now look look at where he's headed. Look at who he's associating with look at who he's willing to talk with at a in the theme of a conference. That's that's exceptionally woke. So That's I got a question.

I'm not sure this caught my eye John your meet Christmas concert review is epic. Would you consider doing another? I'm assuming that's TGC. Sure. Sure. Yes, and I know yeah people keep reminding me that the shooter was Female.

Yes. I I got it. Sorry Sorry, I think people are Coming on to the live stream and they're seeing the earlier parts where I was saying biological male in error. And I have corrected that though all right, so You you have max Lucado Doing this you also have this was recently at the Dove Awards.

You have Derek Webb. Derek Webb has had I think like 10 if I'm not mistaken Top 10 or or maybe number one hits on Christian radio. I mean there's someone who has some significant had some significant power or at least Influence in the Christian music industry and These are pictures of him dressing like a woman cross-dressing I mean look he's dressed more true as a traditional woman than most women are dressed now I mean that that's the irony of this.

I mean you have these male Cross-dressers who are putting on more feminine apparel than what women are wearing. I mean, this is what you might see your grandma wearing and and. And this is where you know, he and he went with someone who is considers themselves to be transgender.

To the Dove Awards and this doesn't mean the Dove Awards was endorsing this. But he found it acceptable in his mind at least he thought that he could get away with going and not feeling ashamed of it and You know, I I don't know what kind of response he got but I'm assuming he was allowed to go and he Participated in at least attending and this was I mean, this was something that this probably the first time that's ever happened.

If it's not the first time it's the first time of someone who's high-profile so So, I'm not sure if someone's got to talk to me about This Christian music thing. I'm not sure what concert you're referring to in the chat group here.

So I'll respond at the end, but I want to get to a few more things. So that was Derek Webb and then you have this this is Zach Lambert who is a pastor and Zach Lambert Had this to say and this is in from one year ago.

Okay, this sermon from one year ago, but it I think James White. I haven't listened to James White's analysis I'm sure it was good, but James White recently played this particular sermon and reviewed it and.

Christlikeness, Gender, and Sandra Glahn's Teaching

So even though it's a sermon from a year ago, it's become it there was some on Social media going back and forth about it. But there's only one clip that I wanted to play for you about this. So I'm gonna play that for you and.

And then we'll talk about it which.

Gender is or should be influenced by someone's sex at birth is debated. And the degree to which gender should be influenced by God's biological design is also debated. But what we do know is that the call for all Christians regardless of sex or gender is Christ likeness.

Defined by the fruit of the Spirit. It is Christ likeness defined by the fruit of the Spirit. Dallas Theological Seminary professor and gender studies expert. Dr. Sandra Gawne said it like this on our summer mixtape back in 2020.

What God is interested in is fruit of the Spirit. For some it's going to be the fruit of the Spirit in a female body. For others it's going to be in a male body and for others It's going to be in an intersex body, but it's going to be the fruit of the Spirit no matter what your body is.

This is very important. The call to Christ likeness is never gendered in Scripture, right? So there.

All right. Well, yeah, the call to Christ is never gendered in Scripture. Zach Lambert now, why did I want to play that clip for you? We've gone over the argument that he employs here. We've Refuted it.

This is he goes on after this to talk about how God does not have specific rules for holiness for men and women. It's just their general rules and this is a strategy to redirect Christian focus away from Even asking questions about whether transgenderism is it is acceptable or wrong?

But instead to try to say you just need to focus on what God talks about God's concerned about holiness. Whether someone's transgender or not doesn't matter and and the assumption is they can be holy and live apart from God's design for men and women.

Which is just kind of bonkers. But he cites someone here. This is what I the reason I wanted this caught my attention. He cites a professor Sandra Glahn from Dallas Theological Seminary and Sandra Glahn is a professor of media arts and worship at DTS and Just talks about the different things that she teaches, but she also Talks about art gender sexual intimacy in marriage and first century backgrounds as they relate to gender so she's got a Bioethics sexuality and biblical women so she's got this background.

Where she's she's involved in discussions about gender and this is where Zack Lambert is getting inspiration. So notice this. It's not that Dallas Theological Seminary is Ignoring this this is a seminary that cranks out a lot of pastors.

It's a big seminary. They're not just ignoring this issue, right? Which is what a lot of Evangelical organizations do they ignore it? You know, it's just not worth the risk to to take that kind of a risk and take a stand for biblical morality on this topic because you're gonna get the People influenced by the world and worldly thinking coming after you and they're powerful people.

No. They they're going the extra step as this former formally. I'll say formally evangelical school is Employees professors at least one who is actually Affirming to some extent or normalizing transgenderism.

Zack Lambert's inspired by Sandra Glahn. That's what I wanted to point out. I mean, this is a level down don't miss this. This is a level down. This is this is new territory that we're covering in a sense.

Because you the frustration for a while is was that evangelical organizations were being weak about this stuff. Not that they were affirming it and I warned a number of us warned years ago that this would eventually lead to affirmation and finding theological ways in which to somehow make the regime's Narrative acceptable to biblical Christians or Christians who claim to value the Bible and this happens in communist countries this happened in.

I know a little more about it because I've read more about it, but there's a book now. It's written by someone who is very left. But there are some primary sources in it that are helpful or at least quotes of primary sources called Aryan Jesus and it's about the Nazi Experience with the German Christian movement and this is basically what they did was you know.

You know how we're going to make sure that we survive. We're gonna convince our overlords the people who have political power that we're not a threat. And in fact, we support their narrative. The Confessing Church by and large it was.

I mean, I know that there are much. There's a lot of respect for the Confessing Church and there are figures in the Confessing Church worthy of respect but by and large the Confessing Church was very weak and They wanted to just let's just leave us alone.

Stay out of our church business and we'll leave you alone. Okay? The German Christian movement went the extra step of No, you know Lutherans and Catholics saying we're going to advocate for the Nazi ideology and not only that we're gonna show how scripture supports it somehow and.

And that you have the same dynamic going on here obviously different issues in play. But it's you know What are the powerful people want the people who could cancel us the people who could? Take away our tax-exempt status the people who could you know hurt us in some way we're going to try to accommodate them and the way we accommodate them since the pressure is building is we are going to affirm the evil things that they affirm and.

And and that's the road. That's the road that we're going down now. I was really happy to see I don't want this to be as People say a black pill for everyone. So I did want to point out that John Cooper the front man for skillet.

And by the way I'm not a big hard rock guy. I There's There's a few bands and a few songs that I've listened to that. Yeah, I guess you could can that are hard rock but. But I have to say I've listened to a number of songs on Skillet's new album and there's one called psycho in my head and it's just I think it's about human depravity and so forth but anyway, it's very catchy and so I recommend checking that out and supporting John Cooper to be honest because John Cooper is taking a stand here.