September 28, 2018 Show with Josh Miller on “Why the Reformation Still Matters”

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This is Chris Arntzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Friday on this 28th

day of September 2018 and I'm delighted to have back

on the program a friend of mine, Pastor Josh Miller, who is pastor of preaching

and teaching at Grace Bible Fellowship Church of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania and we're going to be addressing

the theme of a conference that he is hosting featuring Mike Abendroth on October 6th and

7th, Why the Reformation Still Matters, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to

Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Josh Miller.

Hey Chris, thanks, it's my joy to be with you,.

Not only on a personal level just to connect with a friend, but also to talk about truths and.

Topics that are precious to us and precious to the church.

Amen, and it was a great time sharing fellowship with you at the Firehouse

Subs here in Carlisle, who happen to be the ones that sponsored my most recent

Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Pastor's Luncheon, and it was a great time of fellowship with you and I am

looking forward to many more times of fellowship that the Lord enables us to have, including on

October 6th and 7th.

I am really determined to be out there for this conference.

I love Mike Abendroth, I've had him as a guest on this program a number of times to discuss the various

topics that he has written on, and I am excited about this conference.

Well, first of all, Pastor Josh, why don't you let our listeners know about Grace Bible Fellowship Church in

Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

Yeah, so.

Grace Bible Fellowship is a smaller denomination, Bible Fellowship Churches,

about 65 churches, we have about 10 church plants in addition to those 65

particular churches.

Most of the churches are here in Lehigh Valley and Central Pennsylvania, some

in Delaware, New Jersey, New York, but mostly in Pennsylvania.

But history of the denomination, briefly, we came out of kind of an Anabaptist Mennonite

movement, and God, by His grace, led various leaders within our family of churches

to virtually rewrite our doctrinal statement back at the end of the 50s

and the early, adopted a Calvinistic

understanding of the application of salvation, even our polity changed, our

local church polity, to becoming elder rule in the local churches, moving from

some more lay preaching to actually having called and paid

pastors, and in different forms and polity that our denomination

changed in the middle of the 20th century.

But yeah, we have grown theologically and numerically since that time.

But that's kind of a brief introduction, and our church in Harrisburg has actually been in

existence coming up on 100 years, I think officially in 2020 we

will celebrate our 100th anniversary.

Here in the area.

Now, wow, what was the church theologically 100 years ago?

So it was, by default, Arminian.

Now as far as having a doctrinal statement, it was probably fairly loose, but it

would have been your classic Anabaptist, Arminian

-type government, where you have a hierarchical structure,

but really getting part of the changes there in the middle of the 20th century was getting authority back to the local church.

The highest office in our church, in our family of churches, is the local elder

that's offended in Scripture, and so those are some of the distinctions and some of the

differences from...

Well, tell us something about Mike Ebenroth, who is going to be your speaker

for your Reformation conference on October 6th and 7th, God willing, on the theme, Why the Reformation

Still Matters.

Tell our listeners something about Mike.

For those of our listeners who haven't heard him on my radio program.

Yeah, so Mike is a pastor up in the Boston area,

Independent Bible Church up there.

He hosts a radio show called No Compromise Radio.

I am actually not sure what radio station, if any, they broadcast on, but it's a fairly popular podcast

that he has.

He's a graduate of the Master's Seminary and the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

He is just a preacher at heart, a local pastor, and has

demonstrated a consistency and a fire to defend the truth, as I know,

and in preaching, and so we were excited to have him.

I actually have not personally met Mike.

We've obviously corresponded now via email and phone conversations, but I'm looking forward to meeting him for the first time

when he gets here.

I was familiar with his ministry over the last couple years, which led to us inviting him to be a

part of our conference.

Yeah, just to let our listeners know a little bit more about Mike, he has

written a number of books including Jesus Christ, The Prince of Preachers, The Sovereignty and Supremacy of King

Jesus, Things That Go Bump in the Church, Discovering Romans, Sexual

Fidelity, and Evangelical White Lives.

I think that I've interviewed him on all of those, if not most of those books, and the church where he is

the senior pastor is Bethlehem Bible Church in West Boylston, Massachusetts,

and if anybody wants more information on the podcast, they can go to

NoCompromiseRadio .com, NoCompromiseRadio .com, and I'm hopefully going to have Mike

on the program before the conference.

I don't know that for certain because he is traveling all over the place speaking at other conferences,

but I hope that he carves out a two -hour chunk of time, or at least an hour, before your

conference so we can bless our audience again with his wit.

And wisdom.

Yes, yes.

He does have both.

Yes, he does.

Yes, he does.

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Well, the theme of the conference, as we've already said, is why the Reformation still matters.

We have all kinds of listeners in the Orion Sherpa and Zion Radio audience.

The vast majority, I believe, at least the ones that communicate with me and my guests,

are believers in the doctrines of sovereign grace.

They would be fully aware of what the 16th century Protestant Reformation was all about, and they would

be familiar, at least in a cursory level, on the main characters of the

Reformation, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Ulrich Zwingli,

John Knox, and others.

But if you could tell us in your mind, or from

what you know, what is the Reformation that you're still, that you are speaking

of in this theme, that still matters?

Speaker, the Reformation of the capital R, you're speaking of the movement in the 16th and

17th century, where there is a reclaiming of gospel truth, the rightful authority of

scripture.

It can be summarized in many ways.

You mentioned the doctrines of grace, some would summarize it that way, others may summarize it with the unifying

principles of the five solas of the Reformation.

That is, you know, sola scriptura, and the authority of scripture alone.

Sola fide, that we are saved by faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Sola gratia, that our salvation is the result of God's,

ultimately the result of God the Father's, unmerited favor dispensed toward the solus Christus, that He is

the only mediator, that is, Christ between God and man.

And then soli deo gloria, that we live our life and all that it

is for the glory of God alone.

So some of those are the unifying principles of the Grand

Reformation of the 16th and 17th century.

But answering that question, why the Reformation still matters, we can answer that on a few different

levels.

We can talk institutionally about still the theological divide that exists between the

Catholic Church, the institution of the Catholic Church

certainly fills a conference with those distinctions, and those distinctions will continue to

exist as long as, you know, you have the Council of Trent and the various Vatican's that

are still in place within the Catholic Church.

There will always be those theological distinctions between the institution of the Catholic Church and

Protestant faith.

But as a pastor, you know, my concern and why this

topic is, is because I still

see issues that were around at the Reformation still

at stake and still binding many within even the evangelical

Protestant, even those within my own congregation.

I really want to take up this topic, I

guess you could say more specifically, you know, why did the truths of the Reformation still matter?

And that's kind of what the conference is taking up and really is what at the heart of

my desire to teach and preach and.

Continue to proclaim the Gospel.

Yeah, this is a lot more serious than a lot of people think, and I'm sure you agree with me,

this is a lot more serious than even a lot of people within the Reformed

circles that we both have fellowship in and whom we communicate with

and associate with at times.

There are especially, I think, many Presbyterians, even more than Reformed

Baptists, who would fall into the category of modern -day ecumenists when it comes

to Rome, and of course there are many non -Calvinist

denominations who perhaps are even more aggressively involved in the modern ecumenical movement.

And it's ironic how ecumenism, or the ecumenical

movement, used to be the darling exclusively of the liberals,

the more liberal elements of the Roman Catholic Church and the

mainline Protestant liberal churches and, dare I say, even apostate churches.

But for quite a number of decades, perhaps even mostly

through the influence of Billy Graham, ecumenism, or the ecumenical movement, has been

introduced into conservative Bible -believing evangelical circles, those that

believe in the inerrancy of Scripture, those who say they believe in the true Gospel,

and I believe that many, if not most, of them actually do believe in the true Gospel, which makes their ecumenism

with Rome more puzzling.

It seems that people are basing their ecumenism, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, or you can

add something to this, it seems as if a lot of the conservative

Bible -believing Christians who want us to have ecumenical relationships with Roman Catholics

are seeing a need for this in a day and age when we are so

incredibly outnumbered by secular humanists and those in liberal

-leaning religions when it comes to these social and moral issues

that are plaguing our societies globally.

The gender confusion that has reached mind -boggling and insane

proportions where little children are being given hormones to change their gender, and

people are marrying other people of their same gender, even though we have had people

in the presidency as liberal as Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, who at one time

vociferously opposed same -sex marriage.

So it's interesting how quickly these things are spreading and morphing.

So these ecumenists within the conservative evangelical movement are saying, look at our Roman Catholic

friends, they are our brothers and sisters, and we should claim them as such, and we should link arms with them, because they share with

us an abhorrence of abortion, they share with us an abhorrence of same -sex marriage and other

things, and of course that's a broad -brushing statement, because there are Roman Catholics that are in favor of those

things.

But if you could respond to your own comment or your own thoughts on why there

are many who have lost or abandoned the concept that the Reformation still

matters.

Yeah, wow, that's a lot there.

But yeah, on a noble level, and let me say initially that I think the

motive

society, those are good motives when you're talking about social and

political involvement.

I myself have been a part of testing abortion

movements.

I have been down to local abortion clinics on a regular basis and have done kind of

street evangelism and street counseling and stood side -by -side with Catholics.

Now, I will concede that there's a different message when push comes to shove when I encounter

somebody and I'm counseling them than the person that I am standing

next to.

So I think that there is a place for that as far

as protecting dignity and protecting

that way.

But you're right, when a way of life

is primary to

my comfortability,

theological distinctions become secondary

to the pragmatic reality of trying to

preserve my way of

life.

The irony

is that most

conservative evangelicals will not—I mean,.

There are some that do, but most would not extend the arm of fellowship so far

that they would include in that pro -life Orthodox Jews,

pro -life Mormons, pro -life Muslims.

Of course, they may be involved in secular activities

in opposition to those things like abortion and same -sex marriage, political activities, but they're not

going to be typically having joint worship services.

Now, there are some of our dispensationalist brethren that have such

a high emphasis on extending love to the Jewish people that they have

really either masked or completely abandoned the concept that Jews, just like

every other people group or individual on the planet, need Christ for salvation.

For instance, whenever I see the commercial for the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, they're feeding

starving Holocaust survivors in other parts of the world and so on, and yeah, I'm all in favor of that,

but what kind of message are you leaving these dear people

on the brink of death other than feeding their bellies and clothing them?

Those are absolutely wonderful and right things, just as we read in the Epistles of James.

We're not just to tell people to be warm and filled and let them go on their way starving to death and naked,

but there needs to be an emphasis on the gospel, and it seems

that just as the liberals had their social gospel of feeding the poor and doing

other activities that are very worthy and noble and good and right and necessary, they have

exchanged those things for the gospel itself.

We have conservatives, for the most part, exchanging the gospel

for using as a litmus test of Christianity, whether you are pro -life, whether you

are opposed to same -sex marriage, and whether you are opposed to perhaps

licentious living, like addiction to mind -altering substances and so on and other things, but

if you could comment on that as well.

Yeah,.

For the church, the kingdom of God

is at hand, but all in

the heart of our

ministry is made right,

we be made right,

and create the divide between what is true, what is eternal,

what is and hold out the

truth.

Give the glass of water, you give the food, you give the benevolence, as the Lord grants

you,

linking arms with to promote, I'll use Paul's

language, the teaching of demons.

I mean, there's no way around that.

Yes, and our Roman Catholic friends,.

At least the ones that I have, and I probably have more religiously -minded

Roman Catholic friends now, as a conservative

Bible -believing Calvinist Protestant, than I did when I was a Roman Catholic.

I was raised in the Roman Catholic Church, and was an altar boy, went to Catholic school for eight years,

remained a Catholic until my late teens, but not in any older I got as a

teenager, the less seriously I took the Roman Catholic Church, although

always believing that God existed, always believing that Jesus Christ existed, not in a saving way, just

in a factual way.

I never came to deny the existence of Christ or anything like that, but

my friends as a Catholic in my teen years and early 20s were

predominantly nominal Catholics, just like I was a nominal Catholic at that point.

But the friends that I have now, their feelings will be hurt, typically,

and they might get a little angry, and sometimes very angry, depending upon the person or the situation.

When I inform them, I love them, I think highly of them, at times I

will even make sure that they are aware I think that they, as individuals, are

superior to me in many aspects of life, because I have Catholic friends who

are living what appears to be stellar lives in areas where I have

personally failed, and so on.

We cannot deny, as Bible -believing Christians, as born -again

individuals, that we are not the greatest husbands in the world

at all times, we are not the greatest siblings or children or friends or neighbors

or citizens.

We cannot claim that kind of superiority because many times we fail miserably in those things, and you even have

unbelievers at times living more faithful lives according to those different roles

and functions.

But I tell them, you are not my brother in Christ or my sister in Christ, because you have a different

gospel.

I am trusting in the finished work of Christ alone, you are not.

You are trusting in not only Christ's death, but you are adding to that the

things that you do, you are adding to that the things that Mary and the saints have done,

you are the treasury of merit, as they call it, you are adding your own personal

suffering in purgatory as a means to be purified and made ready for

heaven.

So tell me about your own particular circumstances with that dilemma.

We have these people that we love who claim Christ, but because the gospel is different, we

cannot claim them as brothers and sisters.

Yeah, I think you articulated the dilemma very well.

I mean, it is an emotional discussion, and it comes down to those very

same theological distinctions that you made, and what is your...

I mean, when you're talking about the central Catholic understanding of the

Ascension, when you're talking about, yeah, you talked about purgatory

continuing in a measure to earn your way into heaven, it steals glory

from the Lord Jesus Christ and His completed work.

And this is why one of the great

pastoral issues coming out of the Reformation was

for the believer, and comfort for the saint.

Documents of the Reformation, the Heidelberg of the

16th century, thoroughly

concerned with wanting to give the comfort, and for the

Catholic, there is the true Catholic, you

are living a persistently trying to

measure up to righteousness,

that they say empowers you

on, not one that is given

to you by the grace of God in faith alone.

And

you're of

receiving comfort, and

in

12 there where it speaks of the saving grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,

training us to renounce the godliness.

And we just had a wonderful discussion about the distinction between being trained by

God's grace versus being trained in a performance.

That's what it comes down to.

That's the issue.

Are you a family comes confidence for

now.

We are trained.

We haven't arrived at their ultimate level, but we are being trained and disciplined.

He

will never disown us in Christ.

Yeah.

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We are discussing the theme of an upcoming conference that he is hosting, Why the Reformation Still Matters.

This conference features Mike Ebenroth, who is Senior Pastor at Bethlehem Bible Church

in West Boylston, Massachusetts, and he's the author of Jesus Christ, the Prince of Preachers, the Sovereignty and Supremacy of

King Jesus, Sexual Fidelity, Evangelical White Lies, and other books.

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We are now back with our guest, Pastor Josh Miller of Grace Bible Fellowship Church in Harrisburg,

Pennsylvania, and if you could, Josh,

what, in your opinion and your knowledge of not only theology but church history, what are the

primary ways that the Church of Rome and

Bible -believing Reformational Evangelical Protestantism are still

separated by a chasm of difference?

It is amazing that there are brilliant scholars on both sides

who would say that the Reformation no longer needs to exist.

They will say that it has come to an end merely because persecution has flamed out,

that we can live in harmony together, that we all love Jesus, and we,

along with the Eastern Orthodox, stand against many of the social ills that we were talking

about before, then there's no need for a Reformation.

And it is, I can understand your average person thinking that, but a

biblically literate person, and especially a Bible scholar and theologian, that

amazes me.

It amazes me when somebody who I still consider in many ways a hero, and I know that

many of, if not most of, my Reformed brethren also consider this brother a hero of the faith

from the 20th and 21st centuries, and I'm speaking of J .I. Packer, it is utterly

breathtakingly and palpably baffling that J .I. Packer would have

an ecumenical mindset with Rome since he clearly articulates in great

painstaking detail the gospel of grace and the

importance of it, and so on, and yet he signed the ECT document, he writes

endorsements for books written by Roman Catholics like Peter Kreeft, and it's just amazing.

But if you could chime.

In yourself on this.

Yeah, I mean education by faith alone that

still needs to be articulated and needs still to be held up as

distinctive between gospel,

certainly the authority of the Church, what is

the nature of the Church as an issue, the authority

of God's Word presiding over the creeds and councils,

and the traditions

stated that are

contained in the written books and in the unwritten traditions, I mean, that still is the

stance of the Catholic Church, so when it comes to the authority

that

remains.

But even practically,

there are some major issues

that I come in contact with fairly regularly, is just the nature of unity, and

Christian unity.

You mentioned that before, how you've seen some of your friends just willing to compromise theologically

to really

defend an instant continuity,

you know, trying to

treat gospel continuity,

a true Church is

that.

Yeah, you mentioned the Evangelical and Catholic Together document

back in

the

90s.

Unless people look at us as just Bible nerds

who are being OCD on.

Steroids or behaving like we have OCD on steroids, and we are just

nitpicking, we are being ridiculous, uh, isn't it because of what the Bible

teaches about the gospel, and especially, I'm thinking, of places

like Galatians, where if the Apostle Paul

took so seriously the notion that the Judaizers' insistence

on just adding one thing to the gospel, from what we understand, Paul does

not give us a detailed explanation of the heresies of the Judaizers.

The only thing that we know of is that they wanted to insist that Gentiles

be circumcised before being added to the faith, and for all we know,

and I think we are safe to assume, the Judaizers believed everything else that Paul believed, or

most of what he believed, except that.

And that alone got the Apostle Paul so infuriated and

enraged and righteously indignant that he declared

those people spreading the doctrines of the Judaizers as false believers, they were to

be anathematized or cursed to hell, is basically what he meant, and

I think he took a little softer stance on those in the church that were

at least temporarily duped by the Judaizers, because he called them brethren, he has

harsher words for the teachers themselves, but

this is really, when I have had conversations with some of my Catholic friends, who I love, to be perfectly

honest, there are Catholics that I know whose company I enjoy much greater than some of my own

brothers and sisters in Christ, just being honest, some of them are just such wonderful people, and such

fun people, and you know, you might have the same interests or whatever, and it's just a joy to

be with them, but when they get upset or hurt that I say you're not my brother

or sister in Christ, I say I cannot be nicer than the Apostle Paul,

and you shouldn't want to be nicer than the Apostle Paul either, when he says that if anyone brings to you

another gospel other than the one that we have taught, which is no gospel at all, let them be anathema, and so

how am I supposed to respond to this other than the way that

the Apostle Paul did, because if I'm responding to that in an unbiblical way, that's wrong,

isn't it?

Yeah, and it certainly takes a.

Measure of wisdom, and biblical,

because on the surface, somebody could come along and, you know, reading into the situation there in Galatia, you mentioned the Book of

Galatians, but it very well could be a primary issue.

We're not talking about First

Corinthians, you're making circumcision out to be

a major primary issue when it's just a secondary issue call.

We can get along here, but you know the strong language you've already alluded to

it, and in Galatians, he eventually gets to the point where he says, you know, I wish they would emasculate

themselves to.

Preach this.

Unless that slipped by some of our listeners, he was, I believe, somewhat tongue -in cheek Paul, that is,

saying that he would rather them have castrated themselves.

But the language.

Is meant to be striking, the seriousness with which he is taking this issue, which on the

surface, many might say was

a power that

they were in

the fullness of Christ.

You know,

who has

the witch -ism

in demonstrating caution and not quoting Galatians?

You need

to be clear and articulate and explain that

you believe differently and finally

sufficient.

We have another Josh, this one in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who has a question for you.

Thank you, Pastor Josh, for appearing on Iron, Sharpens Iron, and thank you, Chris, for always having great guests

on this wonderful program.

My question is, should we, those of us who know the true gospel and are born again and

reformed, work alongside with those who are Catholic, Muslim, or Mormon to

bring about positive social change in society?

Very good question, and I know that I think that the question would be answered

differently according to the context of working alongside them.

Like, for instance, every single time you vote, you are working alongside Catholic,

Muslims, Mormons, atheists, and others who are trying to bring about

some kind of earthly change in the political arena.

So, in that sense, you're always working with them.

But if you could answer that question more fully than I do.

Yeah, continue that a little bit.

It's such a matter of wisdom.

You know, I would counsel Josh to involve his church leadership in seeking their counsel

and how to best go about this.

But like I have mentioned at the outset of the show, there's opportunities that I have joined up

in the sense of, you know, protesting various abortion clinics and dealing with

religion.

I personally would stop short of sitting on a platform publicly

demonstrating myself in a leadership position.

It might be a

little too personal to help Josh, but that would provide confusion to my people that I shepherd.

It's subjective of an answer, but that's one thing

that I would not stand publicly in a way that

distinctions gone

to March for Life in D .C.

You know, those sorts of things you mentioned even on a we're somewhat

joint.

Yeah, and

well, he's my friend.

I don't know if he's a friend of yours, but I'm sure.

You know him.

Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries.

He, years ago, was heavily involved in some kind of a pro -life

organization that featured both evangelical Protestants and Roman Catholics and

possibly others.

And he had to, he voluntarily did, but when I say he had to, his conscience would not

enable him to remain, because they told him that he was prohibited

from evangelizing the Roman Catholics that were a part of the marches and

other things that they were doing.

He would witness Roman Catholics praying over their rosary beads, praying to Mary and the

saints, and obviously he couldn't remain silent when he's in

close proximity to those folks, and also giving the public a

false understanding that he may be Roman Catholic himself or that he tolerates that kind of

false idolatrous worship.

So I think where the line has to be drawn, and I'm assuming from what you said you

would agree, is that when it comes to areas of religious activity, spiritual

activity, and worship, that's where we have to say, wait a minute, you know, we cannot exchange

pulpits with those with a false gospel, although we should, I think, feel

very free to accept invitations to speak from behind the pulpits of false churches as

long as we are not told what we can and cannot say.

I think we can evangelize them that way, but as far as having ecumenical gatherings

where we are praying and worshiping together, I think that would be absolutely prohibited from

a faithful Bible -believing Christian.

Certainly on a church -wide basis, like as a pastor, I have

various movements or in the city

standing and serving

movements, and a church name or my name

alongside any other, you know, body that I would think is preaching and teaching a

false gospel.

Yes, and I think that also comes into play, and I know that even people in

my own congregation, people who are Reformed Baptists may even have different opinions on this,

but there is even a very serious reason to give pause and think

carefully before accepting an invitation to things like

the baptism of a baby in a Roman Catholic church, to other religious activities,

the confirmation of a child in a Roman Catholic church.

There are some who say you should feel free to go there as a witness to the gospel, if you make it clear to the

family, I do not agree with what is happening, but I just want to show my love toward you.

There are some who will say no, even being there is showing your support, but we have to be very careful,

whether we go to those things or not go to those things, we have to be very careful that we make our position clear

to those who are present, and especially, I'm amazed when I've seen

Evangelicals I know who at Roman Catholic funerals have gone forward to receive the

Mass, and I've said to them, what are you doing?

You're not Roman Catholic.

Oh, well, I'm just receiving the Lord's Supper, and I'm like, well, that's not the way they view it.

They view it as a perpetuatory sacrifice, a non -bloody sacrifice.

They believe that those elements are the body and blood of Christ, that they are to be worshipped as Jesus himself,

and you can't just think whatever you want to think when you're doing that.

In fact, they don't want you to take that, unless you are a believer that that is the

literal.

Body and blood of Christ.

Well, not only that, but to partake in that context, you're

also,

together, you are declaring your fellowship one with another

as well, so that creates a whole other issue.

Well, thank you so much, Josh Mechanicksburg.

I.

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We would love to hear from you.

Well, we are going to go to Rose in Harrisburg after our station break with her question.

In fact, why don't I ask the question now, and you can answer it when we return.

We're going to go on a very long break because of the requirements of Grace Life Radio, 90 .1 FM in Lake

City, Florida.

They require of us a longer than normal break in between our two major segments because they air their own commercials and public

service announcements in order to localize Iron Sharp and Zion Radio to Lake City, Florida,

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I really enjoy listening to Mike Abendroth on No Compromise Radio.

Would you please ask Pastor Miller what topics Brother Mike will be speaking on at the conference

coming up?

And if you could just have that list handy, and then you can answer that question when we return for

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The first of which is the event that we've already discussed a bit, the Reformation Conference being held

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And Pastor Josh, we had Rose in Harrisburg with a question about, what is Mike

Ebengroth speaking on at your conference?

And she also corrected me, she said, no, I've been a listener to Iron Sherpins Iron Radio for

years, and she's written in before as well, so I don't know why I thought she was a first -time questioner.

I apologize, Rose, but if you could respond to her question.

Yeah, so the conference, as you mentioned, starts Saturday, October 6th.

Our doors will open at 12 o 'clock for people to peruse the bookstore that we will have

there, but our first session's at 1 o 'clock, and Mike Ebengroth will be speaking on the topic, Why the Reformation

Still Matters, and specifically the assurance of salvation.

Saturday is Why the Reformation Still Matters, and then the subtitle is The Bondage

of the Will.

On Sunday, obviously we don't want to take you away from your regular place of worship.

Ah, yes you do, yes you do.

I'm sorry, what's that?

I said yes you do, I'm only kidding.

But if you're, yeah, if you have to travel to come, you'll be in the area on Sunday away from your regular worshiping body.

Sunday morning, he'll be doing a biographical sketch on Martin Luther,

Part 1, and he will do then Part 2 in the evening, on Sunday evening, which

will be at 630 p .m., and then for our corporate worship time, he will be

preaching from Romans chapter 1, 16 through 17, not ashamed of justification

by faith alone.

So the topic's covered assurance of salvation, the bondage of the will, and justification by faith alone,

under the title Why the Reformation Still Matters.

And just a little bit about the spirit of the conference.

It really is a local body here at our church, so it's

here for late.

We just started it last year as kind of a celebration of the

five -month anniversary of the Reformation, and invited in my friend,

and you mentioned already, but Phil Johnson came and did a weekend with us, and it was just

a blessing as far as the budget, and they can do

it again, and we are excited that this could be something that our

congregation, those who are able to join us.

But it's free, there's no charge, so if you can only come for one session, if

you're in the area, you want to just come for a session, feel free to do that.

I don't know if our time on

Saturday, we'll close out our time together on Saturday with a.

Question -and -answer time.

Great, and I did personally so much enjoy the time with Phil Johnson that you had last year.

I was there for the entire conference, really enjoyed not only the event, but fellowshipping with Phil

personally, and I have gained, I believe, a number of new listeners from Iron Trupan,

for Iron Trupan's Iron Radio, from the pastors that were in attendance, because I've heard from some of them from time to time.

So I'm looking forward to this next event, and hopefully we'll be there, God willing.

We have a question from Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania.

Just out of curiosity, Josh, how far is Perry County from Harrisburg?

Well, that's the next county north of us, so, you know, 10, 12 miles you're into

Perry County, and we have actually members from our church that come down from Perry County.

Okay, because I am somewhat of a newcomer or a new resident

of Pennsylvania.

I've been here since 2014, so I'm not very familiar with how a lot of the

distances work, but Arnie in Perry County says, you

mentioned that Mike Ebendroth will be speaking on assurance at your conference on

the Reformation.

It is indeed a puzzling fact of history, however, that Martin Luther himself

did believe that a genuine born -again believer could lose his or her salvation.

Do you have any response on how Luther could believe such a thing, in addition to

baptismal regeneration, and yet claim the solos of the Reformation that we

all share in common as children or heirs of.

The Reformation?

Yeah, in some ways I guess that is new to me.

I'll have to do research on my own to see exactly how Martin Luther articulated that.

Yeah, he did.

The listener is correct.

I've spoken with enough Luther scholars to know that

those are realities, including Carl Truman.

And others.

Yeah.

And just, I guess, just how to respond to that, how we would respond to

anybody else, I guess, who could believe that you could lose your salvation, is,

you know, passing the certainty and the security of the believer

in Christ, certainly.

First John chapter five comes to mind, you know, these things are written that you may know that you have eternal life.

I'm preaching through John 17, and maybe it's stereotypical of

the currently preaching through.

John 17 deals predominantly with the security of the

believer, praying those whom the Father has given to

him.

We know the Reformation distinction, and when we start talking about eternal

security, we do want to nuance that and qualify that a little bit.

We have the saints, that the true saints will persevere

through trial and in obedience, obviously empowered by the sanctifying work of the

Spirit in their life.

But it will not, that preservation will not be

the believer, that there will be labor, there will be difficulty, there will be real temptation.

The warning passages in Hebrews chapter six and Hebrews chapter ten, those are real warning

passages, and the faithful take those to heart.

Those are one of the means by which God preserves, by

reminding them and charging them in faithfulness, and

reminding them of...

Yeah, we have to constantly do damage control, we who are thoroughgoing

Calvinists, that is, we have to do damage control when we are discussing

the gospel with either Roman Catholics or even members of cults, like the Mormons, like Jehovah's

Witnesses, other cults, who will say, well, I know for certain you

guys who are Protestants are totally off the mark biblically because you believe you

can live any way you want and you will go to heaven.

And unfortunately, many of our brethren or professing

brethren on the landscape of evangelicalism do believe that.

Even Charles Stanley, in his book on eternal security, wrote that you could

become a born again Christian and then within minutes or even seconds become an

atheist and that will not affect your eternal stance before God.

Obviously, we believe that if somebody is born again, they will not become an atheist.

We don't believe in the permanent apostasy of the elect, that could never happen.

A good tree will bear good fruit.

Those who are truly Christ's will live, not perfectly, they will live lives that have

been littered with sin, but we will still be marked out with being a people of

repentance by getting up, dusting ourselves off, praying to God for forgiveness,

repenting of our sins, moving on, and so on.

We're not going to wallow permanently in the sins unrepentantly.

Am I right on that?

Oh, when you get in, you know, you mentioned Charles Stanley, but when you get into the

amount of weight that's placed on a verbal articulation of belief, no matter at what stage, what

age, and not seeing that backed up with a transformation of

life articulation

should, I mean, even we're challenged in the New Testament

to see if we are in the faith.

That's why that word

press on, in obedience.

We believe that we are new creatures in Christ and that there should be a demonstration of that

in a person's life.

Now, sanctification is a slow road in the slow,

stumbling walk in the same direction.

I say sometimes to my people, sometimes you're merely facing the right direction.

You don't feel like you're moving.

But looking in the right direction is a demonstration of where you know that your hope is, but you're absolutely

right.

There has to be a demonstration of salvation.

This has ecclesiastical implications as well.

When you start talking about life in the Church, when you start talking about Church, how can you

legitimately discipline somebody from a Church?

And following Matthew 18, you are declaring as a congregation, we can no longer

testify to your salvation.

Like, how can you do that if you don't have some

demonstration of

implications when you water down the gospel and

not a life transformation?

But again, there is a call for much grace

in walking alongside people and helping them see their sin.

And in growing in righteousness.

Well, the very fact that we who are Reformed, Five -Point Calvinists, Sovereign Grace Believers,

however you want to phrase it, the very fact that we still revere Martin Luther

as a great hero of the Church is proof that we do believe in a

biblical ecumenism because we share a gospel with Martin Luther in spite of any disagreements that

we had or have with him.

And Martin Luther is sometimes a very hard person to pin down because of the fact, you've

got to keep in mind, he was one of the first to actually be a

significant figure in the Reformation and the break from Rome.

There were others before him who were burned at the stake while still remaining in the Church of Rome

and simultaneously protesting against their heresies.

But Martin Luther never wanted to leave the Church of Rome and his

departure theologically from the Church of Rome was gradual and not everything

that Rome held to was abandoned by him.

And he wasn't a systematic theologian as was or as much of one as

was John Calvin certainly.

Right.

And so you have a much sharper break from Rome with John

Calvin, with John Knox, with Thomas

Cramner and others, and even more so we who are Baptistic or Baptists,

confessionally Reformed Baptists and others, we believe that we even broke further away from Rome than

even our Presbyterian and Dutch Reformed brethren because we abandon even more of

what we think are trappings of Rome like infant baptism.

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Reformation Still Matters at the Grace Bible Fellowship Church in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

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This is Chris Arnzen, and this is the last segment of today's interview with Pastor Josh Miller

of Grace Bible Fellowship Church in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

We have been discussing the theme of his Reformation Conference, Why the Reformation Still Matters, and

that Reformation Conference is being held Saturday, October 6th, and Sunday, October 7th, featuring guest speaker

Mike Abendroth.

Call 717 -652 -5229 for more details.

717 -652 -5229 or go to gracebfc .com forward

slash conference.

That's gracebfc for biblefellowshipchurch .com forward slash conference.

And we do have a listener.

We have B .B. in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who has a question for you.

How do you respond to those of our dear Pato -Baptist brothers and sisters in Christ

who say that we cannot be right as Baptists because the vast majority

of the brilliant minds of the Reformation exegeted the scriptures as to convince them of

infant baptism?

We are on unsafe ground when we come up with the idea of

the baptism of believers only, excluding infants.

Yeah, that's a pretty direct statement.

I don't know.

That I have encountered a Pato -Baptist that has spoken that directly, but...

I have.

So yeah, certainly not denying the claim, but there is certainly much

to agree on as far as if they believe the true gospel.

Certainly with my Pato -Baptist friends and even fellow pastors

that are friends, you know, we

celebrate the truth of the gospel.

I guess it's somewhat connected to the comment, the question that was asked about Martin Luther,

and time has, I guess, proven and

tested faithfulness at the heart of the gospel when it came to justification by faith alone.

But you certainly try to engage in a collegial way.

As far as arguments against Pato -Baptism, I mean, that's probably

another interview regarding Crato

-Baptism.

I can only answer it personally, how I engage is just in a collegial way, and certainly have

had colorful conversations when it comes to that, and certainly I wish that we could agree

on this issue.

I was actually just commenting this morning to somebody, it's part of the Great Commission is to baptize.

I just wish we can get at least the Great Commission to be in agreement to

the doctrines of grace and hold to the

primacy of God's Word in the gospel.

Yeah, I don't have a step -by -step how to engage, other than depending on the

relationship you have with them as those issues come up, and trying to answer

distinctly, directly, understanding your own convictions.

I'm reminded of Paul's instruction in Romans 14, where there was a division about days of

worship, and what to worship on, and food to eat.

You know, he even counseled them to be even more convinced in

their own mind.

I think through the ministry of the Holy Spirit, the Word of God, it becomes even more

convinced upon your mind, and it's one of the blessings of

this type of disagreement, is that we are driven to our authority, the Word of God.

Hopefully those friends that are paedo -baptists hold up the Word of God as the ultimate authority, and it can, in your

discussions, it can even be a time of seeing that you both are

submitting to, I think,

not to

overstate it, but when you think of what constitutes the nature of,

I think, that paedo -baptism.

Who's a

part of

paedo -baptism?

I know some would say that once you're baptized, you're a part of the church community.

Now, do they then come under church discipline, if they are an ongoing

unrepentant?

There's confusion on that, I think.

Yeah, there's even.

Confusion amongst paedo -baptists.

They are not all a monolith.

There are paedo -baptists who, in many respects, often teach

and behave like Reformed Baptists, and I don't, I hope I'm not insulting Dr. Joel Beakey

by putting him among that group, but Dr. Joel Beakey agrees with Reformed Baptists that

children of Christians are a mission field, and that we are to view them as lost until

they demonstrate from their belief and their lives that they have been born again,

not the other way around.

Many paedo -baptists will assume or presume

their children are born again, even from infancy, until they demonstrate that

they are in rebellion against God, and that can have a very

stark, there can be a very stark contrast in the way family life is conducted and the way children are

evangelized as a result of that, and as I said, they don't all agree with each other on that.

Right, right.

My best...

Yeah, I don't know if your listener could.

Benefit even from reading the, on

baptism, and that language in that confession is just fascinating to me,

that they can move from the first two paragraphs and then conclude that infant baptism

is a legitimate demonstration or symbol of what takes place.

I don't have time to go to that confession, but

you can check out that and see the language that's used there.

And my favorite method.

Of convincing paedo -baptists of credo or believers -only baptism involves

a dark basement, a chair, and a roll of duct tape, but I won't go into that right now.

Oh dear.

Just kidding, of course.

What I like to say when I hear paedo -baptists or even

others who say, well how can you believe in credo or believer -only baptism,

when the great minds of the Reformation like Luther and Calvin and Zwingli

and Knox and Cramner all unanimously believed in paedo -baptism,

I often respond, well that's why I don't believe in Sola Luther or Sola

Calvin or Sola Zwingli or Sola Cramner or Sola Knox.

I believe in the Sola Scriptura just as they did.

They were just, I believe, more inconsistent with that great watchword of the Reformation, that

battle cry, that pillar of the Reformation, Sola Scriptura, that scriptures alone are our

sole inerrant and infallible authority and rule of life for the Church.

And as much as we love not only our paedo -baptist heroes of the past

and also our paedo -baptist friends of the present and how much we have learned from them and even have them

preach from our pulpits, we disagree with them on their consistency with Sola Scriptura

on that end.

Right, yep, yep.

And.

So we can say we honor them by being paedo -baptists, a

doctrine that they fought for and many gave.

Their life for.

Well I want you to have five minutes uninterrupted right now to etch

on the.

Most to remember.

Oh, well, certainly from the topic that we have opened up here, why the

Reformation still matters.

I mean, my heart, certainly in Catholicism,

has been seeing the beauty of salvation that has been completed in the person

and work of Jesus Christ and to be received by faith alone.

But part of my burden, and maybe even a greater burden of my heart, is to see the

necessity for Reformation in the modern Church, in the modern

evangelical.

Same issues that were necessary to be fought for back in the 16th and 17th centuries

seem to be rising up again when you're talking about areas of biblical authority

and sufficiency, when you're talking about, I

mean, how the Lord communicates to us and

speaks to us, and these things are issues within the evangelical movement that I

think are compromising and

undermining the authority of God's Word in even more subtle ways, because they carry the

language of undermining the

necessity of the preached Word, which the Reformation

in many ways.

And so that's really what was driving this conference

and the reason for the distinctive between

like religion, but need

for the modern Church to be reminded again of what we are built upon and what we

are.

We have one more question.

That we have time for.

Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania says, how do you use

the absolute and utter liberalism of the current Pope to

witness to Roman Catholics as to the fallacy of their belief in papal infallibility?

That's an excellent question, because I do bring that up to my Catholic friends, and I tell them,

how on earth can you view that man as a faithful shepherd when he is

not only an apostate from biblical Christianity from a Protestant perspective, but also an apostate from

Roman Catholicism?

He would certainly have been executed by, or the

execution would be called for on his part by those gathered at the.

Council of Trent.

I mean, the schism that is developing within the Catholic religion that now between, you

know, progressed from my vantage point is

interesting to say the least to watch, and what is being

defended by the progressives, because they don't want to lose their position to the

traditionalists.

And the traditionalists within the Catholic religion are, you know,

the Pope because of their theology, but not

defend virtually a word that he says, and even more than the Pope is this whole

sexual scandal.

I mean, this is enormous.

I don't know if your listeners are familiar with Stephen Wedgeworth.

He's the Presbyterian pastor from Canada, but his work, his writings on and

exposing the remarkable...

But it really brings back issues again back

at the Reformation, where those who could not defend themselves, they were being taken advantage

of.

And the Catholic religion is still duping the masses and taking advantage of those.

Back then it was indulgences to fund the

building of St. Peter's Basilica.

Here, it's taking advantage of the weak

and the helpless and using a system to cover it up, which is undeniable.

And we're beginning to see why there

was a Reformation to begin with.

Yes, yes, and of course the frequent reply will be, well, the Pope is only infallible

when he declares something ex cathedra.

Well, that still doesn't solve the problem of him being completely unreliable as a

faithful shepherd and as a guide that you could rely upon when he has even abandoned much of

Catholic theology, let alone biblical.

And the average Catholic is not going to know the difference.

And so this is definitely a matter for a future discussion.

And by the way, please give me Stephen Wedgeworth's contact information for a future interview.

I want to remind our listeners that you can go to gracebfc .com.

That's grace, B for Bible, F for fellowship, cforchurch .com, forward slash conference

for the Reformation Conference at Grace Bible Fellowship Church in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

Why the Reformation Still Matters featuring guest speaker, Mike Ebendroth.

You could also call 717 -652 -5229, 717 -652 -5229.

That's Saturday, October 6th and Sunday, October 7th.

Pastor Josh Miller, if you could just hold on the line so I could say a proper goodbye to you off the air.

And I want to thank everybody who listened today, especially those who wrote in questions.

I hope you all have a blessed, safe, and happy weekend and Lord's Day.

And I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are

a sinner.