Disqualified? Hidden emails? Here's the truth.

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Hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is Justin Peters. I hope that you and your family are doing well today. I truly do

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I want to thank you for watching this video Though it is a video that in all honesty. I wish

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I did not have to make so Joshua Chavez Put out a video attacking me back on May 5th attacking me for my interview with Doreen Virtue And then he played clips of Doreen Virtue's Testimony in which she had makes these claims of dreams and visions of Jesus and all that kind of stuff and Attacked me very very strongly for that and I in my response to Chavez I said that I did not know about Doreen Virtue's testimony the totality of my knowledge

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About Doreen was that she had been in the New Age movement for a long time.

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I think about 30 years And that she had been saved out of it Christ saved her out of that and that was the totality of my knowledge about Doreen Virtue and it was and so in my response to Chavez, I said that I didn't know anything about the particulars of her testimony.

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And so he has made another video and He has the these the screenshots of these emails that supposedly show that I am lying

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When I said that I did not know about the particulars of Doreen Virtue's Testimony, and if you don't know the backstory if you if you have not heard from me, it would seem

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That he has a pretty compelling case. It's kind of like what I said in my last video that The first to plead his case seems right until another comes and examines him.

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So Here we go again. I really didn't want to have to do this But I do not want any of you to have doubts about My truthfulness my honesty

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I don't want to any of you to think that I am lying to you about not knowing about the particulars of Doreen Virtue's testimony

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I did not know and I think I think by the time this video is over any fair -minded person

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Will see that that is indeed the case So to kind of lay the groundwork here you're in this video you're going to hear from me you're going to hear from my board of directors

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Jim Osman and Mike Miller and Believe it or not. You're also going to hear from my wife

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Kathy. She has written something that she would like me to read totally her idea by the way, which was a

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Pleasant surprise to me, but she's camera shy and she anybody knows Kathy knows that she is camera shy

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So so I will be reading that for her And even as I'm recording this right now,

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I haven't even read it I'm not even sure exactly what she's gonna say, but I'll see it as I get later on in the video production process but at any rate so I do want you to hear from my

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Board of directors that is one of the things by the way that I am a very big believer in I believe that any ministry

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Must be tied to a local church. I do not care if the church I don't care about the structure that the church is in I've been in places where local bodies of believers did not have a structure in fact

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I'm thinking right now going to Ecuador and the church I was preaching at they They had kind of a shell of a structure was they had three walls three walls

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No doors because one wall was missing don't really need a door if you don't have one of your walls and no roof so,

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I mean it was It's just kind of a shell of a thing and and they met there and you know, it's a real church

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I don't care about the building or lack thereof But I do believe that there need to be elders in the church biblically qualified elders and and this is and Joshua says that he also believes in elders.

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I listened to the phone conversation that he recorded unbeknownst to me That was that we had several years ago that he put up on his

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YouTube channel and then took it down Again, I think because pretty much almost a hundred percent of the comments were

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Negative towards him. So he took it down. But at any rate in the conversation and I listened to this again. I asked him do you

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Where do you go to church and do you have elders and he said yes, we have older men That's that there's a lot more to being an elder biblically speaking than just an older man press

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Buddha Ross press Buddha Roy and in the plural form their qualifications of elders and he did admit to that but in in learning a bit more about how he views

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Church he he does admit that elders are Are a thing that they are described in Scripture, but he does not apparently believe that they have any

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Any kind of authority in the church? Any kind of that that the church members should be

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Accountable to them and should submit to the elders and just one brief clip

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I don't want to belabor this point because the main thing here is about the the emails that I want to get to But I want to show you a brief clip from The his kind of flagship video

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I guess that is on his YouTube channel that has I think close to 1 .7

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million views and I find this Interesting, but watch this real quickly

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Verse 29 let two or three prophets speak and let the others judge

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Verse 30, but if anything is revealed to another who sits by let the first keep silence

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For you can all prophesy one by one that all may learn and all may be encouraged question

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When have you ever seen anything like this in a church service?

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Can you imagine what would happen if you interrupted the sermon and said the Lord had given you a word?

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You would be asked to leave and possibly physically removed As an error he has been

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What we see prescribed here that is commanded not described is an interactive participatory

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Family gathering so Joshua believes that church meetings should be an interactive participatory

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Family gathering and he actually shows that Now rather famous clip or infamous depending on your point of view

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Clip from a service at Grace Community Church several years ago where this self -appointed charismatic prophet just walked right up on stage in the middle of John MacArthur sermon and Interrupted challenged him and called him out and I mean caused quite a scene there and he was escorted out rightly so in my view because he was disrupting the service, but but Joshua puts this up in his flagship video as Something apparently that should be emulated that that this is the way it ought to be done

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You know if whoever gets a word Should have the freedom to do that. So apparently what happened there at Grace Community Church was a good thing

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I take strong issue with that if that is his view of church then and apparently it is That people should have the freedom to do something like that.

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Of course in his view then there should really not be a primary sermon by one individual elder or whatever regardless, but At any rate that is something that he thinks is is good and Laudable.

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I do not I have a very different view of that. I believe that elders are must be biblically qualified apt to teach temperate

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Their their household must be in order above reproach all of these things and they are also to exercise

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Spiritual leadership and a level of authority in the local body

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Hebrews 13 17 We are to submit to our elders and does not mean that they are

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Without sin does not mean that they cannot be Challenged in the in the appropriate way and scripture speaks to that as well

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There are other verses that we could go to to look at the appropriate means for doing that. But at any rate all of that to say this is that Any ministry must be

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Tied to a local body of believers and accountable to them And my ministry is very open about that I have been always been very very clear about where I go to church who is on my board to whom

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I am accountable I've been very open about that. In fact, I Treasure that that is that I'm very grateful for my board of directors and my pastors.

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I mean Kathy and I moved a year a year and a half or so ago something like that.

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And so We're at a relatively new church now, but the pastor there is a friend of mine and he

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I'm in regular contact with him So, uh, you know my my church knows who

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I am. They know what I do. They know where I'm going both of my board members are pastors themselves and so I I Value that accountability.

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There's nothing on Joshua's Website about his home church or to whom he is accountable

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And sorry, that is a that is a red flag with me. It just is But I do have elders and I saw

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I want you to hear from the elders here in just a minute But real briefly I want to address a point that he made early on in his video and it was about me filing

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Copyright claims plural Watch this and then I'll comment because these two cowards

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Doreen virtue and Justin Peters Did what I could only? Compare to handcuffing somebody and then punching them in the face

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You cowards, why don't you tell everyone Justin? About how you like to copyright strike people too because around the same time

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Justin Peters was filing copyright strikes against other channels that he didn't like Okay, so Joshua Chavez saying that I filed

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Claims against YouTube channels that I did not like here's the reality of the situation

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He is right when he says that Fair Use and Copy Act Covers people when we when we for example my own seminar clouds without water you can take short segments relatively short segments of someone else's

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Teaching material even if it's copyrighted and you can take that without permission and use it in your own teaching if it is for the purpose of teaching

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Or critique, so that's how I can do clouds without water and Fair Use and Copy Act is very well known but what you cannot do under Fair Use and Copy Act is take the entirety of someone's

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Teaching or copyrighted material and use it without their permission Now if you get permission, no big deal, but if you don't have permission, you can't take the entire thing.

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And so GCR TV did that with my video my response video to Joshua Chavez I never heard of GCR TV until all this came up But someone alerted me to it.

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I didn't even know about it. But someone alerted me say hey Justin You might want to take a look at this. And so turns out

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GCR TV is led by a man named Amos Farrell Amos Farrell is on the board of Moriel Ministries, which is led by Jacob Prash Jacob Prash and Joshua Chavez are close friends they are

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They partner with one another they endorse one another they help one another.

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In fact, you can go to Jacob Prash's website and Joshua Chavez's website and you can look at their doctrinal statements and in places they're actually word for word

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Identical and so I'm not gonna chalk that up to some divine inspiration

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I'm obviously talking that up there. They're they're partners. They help one another they're they're joined at the hip.

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So so obviously it does not give me a lot of warm fuzzies when a

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YouTube channel that is led by someone who is on the board of Moriel Ministries Jacob Prash Jacob Prash Who also like Chavez has attacked me and more on that later

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Puts the entirety of my video up on his channel And so I did file a copyright claim because I was advised by others several other people to do that And so taking their advice

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I did the video came down and then Amos Farrell GCR TV filed a counter claim to get the video back up And so once I got notice of that then

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I you know, I just emailed Amos Farrell said look paraphrase here look All I want is the video to come down.

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You didn't get my permission I know you're connected with Moriel Ministries So I just want the video to come down and if you will give me your word in writing that you will take it down And that you will not put it up on any other

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YouTube channel with which you may be affiliated I will Rescind my copyright claim against you and and that's important because if you get three copyright claims against you

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YouTube shuts down your entire channel and so Amos Farrell was Agreeable to that.

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He gave me his word that he would not do that. I have it in writing and so He took the video down.

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I rescinded the claim Bada -boom bada -bing. That's it. That's the only Claim a copyright claim that I personally have filed on YouTube and that's that's it.

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So What Joshua Chavez there said there's is very misleading now getting to the heart of the matter a bit of Joshua Chavez's video that I lied when

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I said that I did not know about the particulars of Doreen Virtue's testimony about her dreams and visions of Jesus until Chavez's Attack video on me came out on May 5th

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Let me say this too while I'm thinking about it I've seen some of the comments on the YouTube videos and People have said oh this needs to stop, you know this back and forth between Joshua and Justin Peters and here's the deal

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I had never put up a video attacking Joshua Chavez at all

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The only video this is the second video that I've put up which

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I answer Joshua, but Only because he has attacked me first and I I have

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I'm doing nothing but responding To his false accusations. That's it. So I don't want this to continue anymore and anybody else does he apparently does but I don't but he

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If you go to his YouTube channel, he's got multiple multiple videos Attacking me whether it's just me or it's me and John MacArthur and Todd Friel and and all these others

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He's got seven or eight. I don't know a number of videos attacking me that he has done and I haven't responded to any of them

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Publicly until this one until he the one he put up on May 5th and And so this is just another response because I again

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I don't want you to have doubts about my integrity so but that's what he's accusing me of that I am a liar and Disqualified because these emails prove that I did in fact know about the particulars of Doreen Virtue's Testimony and when

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I say that all I knew was that he she had been saved out of the New Age movement for you Know she had been in it for some time and saved out of it

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I think to quote myself on the road now to progressive sanctification that that is a flat -out lie and that I knew for five months

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So at any rate here we go. Here's Here's Joshua Because I have proof that Justin Peters despite his

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Repeated affirmation that he was ignorant of her testimony. He knew nothing about it I didn't know he didn't know until I made the video.

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This is what Justin Peter said He didn't know he had no idea Doreen Virtue said she had a vision of Jesus. Well Justin Peters is about to be caught in his biggest lie yet because I have

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Proof that Justin Peters knew about this for at least five months

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But you knew this Justin at the time you made your response to me You had known for five months about her testimony, didn't you you liar?

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So the interview that I did with Doreen Virtue Was uploaded on a YouTube channel

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November 28th, and then two days later on November 30th I received an email from Kimberly Hibbert that according to Joshua Chavez Proves that I knew all about Doreen Virtue's Testimony and all these, you know the particulars of it and and and I responded to Kimberly Hibbert's email

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And so I cannot claim ignorance of the email because I responded to it So apparently Kimberly Hibbert after she emailed me and I responded to her at some point

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I'm assuming after maybe Joshua Chavez made his attack video me sometime after May 5th

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She decided to forward those emails to Joshua Chavez. I can only assume in an attempt to discredit me

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So anyway Back to Joshua Did this prompt you to go look at her testimony

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Justin or did you ignore it completely you either took this information Confirmed Doreen's insane false vision of Jesus testimony and said nothing about it or You ignored this warning proving you're even worse and more dangerous than I gave you credit for you hypocrite liar

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Did you not do that Justin? Because if you didn't do that your negligence is grosser than I gave you credit for and you my friend are

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Disqualified from ministry and anybody who approves of you shows themselves to be disapproved as well

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So repeatedly throughout Joshua's video, he says that I knew of Doreen virtues

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Testimony for five months despite me saying that I did not know anything about the specifics of her testimony until May 5th

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So the five months this comes into The email that was sent to me on November 30th

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And I want to just go through this real quickly with you so you can see the full context and exactly what was said

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So on November 30th email comes in to me from Kimberly Hibbert, and she says

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Justin I'm surprised that you did an interview with Doreen virtues she professes to be a

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Christian yet has many YouTube videos promoting the occult and So I did see that email and I responded to it.

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I think a cut just a couple hours later and I said hi Kim. I do not know her well, but she says she was saved out of the new age slash occult

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Are you saying she is promoting that now? So I wanted some clarification and Kimberly Hibbert responded

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She said Justin from what I've seen so far She's been promoting the occult for years has authored books on it, etc

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So many are coming out of the woodwork claiming to be quote Christians I would not trust a woman with such a past without much caution well a couple of points here

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This gives me no new information That I did not already have there is nothing in here about any specifics of her testimony there is not a single syllable in this email about a dream or a vision or anything like that simply that she

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Had YouTube videos that have been promoting the occult For years well

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I already knew that at least in a general sense because I knew she had been in the new age movement for 30 some odd years and I would fully expect that there are videos of Doreen virtue on YouTube promoting this

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Cult that she was in for so much of her life. So this this is not giving me any new information

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This is not breaking any new ground So There's nothing specific here.

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And so this is not telling me anything. I did not already know I've already said I knew she had been in the new age movement saved out of it.

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So No headlines here at all and just generally speaking here dear friends

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All of us were saved out of a bad past, right? It doesn't matter from what you were saved.

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It was it was bad so whether you were saved out of the New Age movement or Mormonism or Buddhism or Word of Faith or Roman Catholicism or maybe maybe you were one of those people that used to like pineapple on your pizza and Then you you got saved and you did away with that Little levity there, but it doesn't matter from what we were saved out of That is a past 2nd

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Corinthians 5 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a what a new creature all things have what?

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Passed away behold all things are made what? New so it doesn't give me any more concern that Doreen virtue was saved out of the

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New Age movement than it does that Mike Gendron was saved out of Roman Catholicism or Costi hand was saved out of Word of Faith.

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It doesn't matter. All things are made new. Okay Okay, dear ones for those of you saw my first video response to Joshua that I uploaded back on May 10th

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You know that in my video I did offer an apology I apologize for not having checked out the specifics of Doreen virtues testimony before having done the interview with her

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So I want to show you that just this clip from my first video response to Joshua And then I'm going to show you his reaction to my apology

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Here's where I'm going to offer an acknowledgement and an apology

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When I was asked by Doreen virtue to do the interview with her I I had heard of her

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I the totality of my knowledge of Doreen virtue with was this is that she used to be in the

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New Age movement heavily in the New Age movement and She was converted and now she is a believer on the path to progressive sanctification

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That is the totality of the knowledge. I had I agreed to do the interview with her and actually if you watch

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Joshua's full video you might notice that I said I had another interview that same day I did I had another interview that I did right before hers

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It's not really an excuse but I Just I had a lot of other things going so I didn't check her out.

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I should have a May a copa may a copa. I should have checked her out more fully.

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I just made the assumption Because she had interviewed some other people and in fact in her email first email to me extending the invitation to come on a program

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She told me that she had interviewed some of my friends Kasti Hinn and Phil Johnson And so when

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I read that I just assumed okay, so, you know, this is this is fine So I didn't see a real need to check her out

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I just knew she had been in the New Age movement gotten saved out of it She's interviewed some of my friends.

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And so I agreed to do the interview. I Should have I should have done some more digging.

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And so again My fault my fault I own that I confess that I have no excuse for it.

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I should have done that Had I done that and come across all of these really troubling things that Joshua has

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Documented in his video. I would have sought clarification from her on all these things.

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I would have sought clarification Before I did the interview so I Own that and that is my fault and I do feel badly for any confusion that this has caused

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Justin This is the very foundation of who she is and you admit it the totality. I didn't know anything about her

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Sorry Pontius Peters over here washes his hands every chance he gets why I didn't know I didn't know you're gonna see this you're gonna see this theme throughout

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Pontius Peters doesn't want to take responsibility for anything ever What a proud hypocrite

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Justin is Okay, dear ones. You just saw me play the video of me Offering a very sincere very heartfelt apology not to Joshua because I've not done anything to him

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But to anyone who watched the interview that I did with Doreen And who may have known unlike me but may have known

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The testimony that she had about her dreams and visions and then saw me on there Knowing that I'm a cessationist and how does this work?

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And so I owned it. I said look, I'm sorry I'm just you know went off the fact that she had interviewed some good friends of mine

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And then I did the interview without checking her out and I own that. I apologized for it very sincere very heartfelt and Joshua mocks me

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He does not accept that at face value. No, he mocks me Throws it back in my face and insults me referring to me as Pontius Peters who uh, doesn't want to take responsibility for anything ever and yet I Mean, he said that literally seconds after playing the video of me taking responsibility for it

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That is just stunning to me. That is shocking refers me as Pontius Peters of course after Pontius Pilate who delivered

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Christ over to be crucified The Bible has a lot to say as you undoubtedly know about Forgiveness and how we should be willing to forgive

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Proverbs 19 verse 11 says a man's discretion makes him slow to anger

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And it is to a man's glory to overlook a transgression John MacArthur has said that we are never more

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Christlike Than when we forgive of all the human virtues he says none is more

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Christlike than when we forgive as Christians we should be very eager and very quick to forgive someone particularly when they actually own up to their own oversight

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I don't even on my part what I was apologizing for wasn't inherently sinful It was just an oversight on my part, but it may have caused confusion.

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And so I apologize for that I Tell you that that is a that is a troubling sign

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For the state of his soul to be honest with you because I'm being willing to forgive

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Especially when someone owns their oversight their mistake in some cases their sin being willing to forgive that That is one of the sure signs

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Should be one of the fundamental things that that is in place in the life of someone who is regenerate in Christ Okay at this point need to bring in a discussion about Jacob Prash Jacob is the director of Morial Ministries and Jacob Prash and Joshua Chavez are very closely associated one with another in fact if you go to their respective

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Websites and look at their statements of faith. They are word -for -word Identical I have a screenshot here, of course

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Jacob on the left Joshua on the right And literally the only difference between the two is the formatting and the font that they use they are word -for -word

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Identical so it gives you an idea of how closely these two are associated There's several different doctrinal issues that connect

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Jacob Prash and Joshua Chavez That are foreign to my theology

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One they are both charismatic you can look at their doctrinal statements there. They're both charismatic

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So ironic right that you know dreams and visions would be in their theological camp not mine

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But they are both charismatic. They're continuous. They believe the signed gifts continue to be in operation today.

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They are both Enthusiastically shall we say

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Anti -Calvinistic do not hold to the doctrines of grace

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I obviously do and so They are virulently anti Calvinistic and I found this interesting article on Joshua Chavez a site

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It's a blog that he wrote an article whatever you want to call it about how you can lose your salvation

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I tell you what that is a not all Armenians hold to that Now carry

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Armenian theology out to its logical conclusion another conversation for another day But in fairness not all

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Armenians hold to The the belief that you can lose your salvation I do not believe that you can lose your salvation.

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I that is a fundamental Departure from my theology and the biblical doctrine of election

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Salvation is a gift it is given by God those of us who are converted We have been given to Christ from the

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Father to the Son John 637 What God gives he does not take back.

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That is just a it's a it's a fundamental a Fundamental difference on how we view the gospel on how we view the nature of conversion

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So when I saw that I was like, oh, it's kind of a it's a little bit of a light bulb moment for me It's a very very different understanding of salvation than what

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I have. So so these significant doctrinal Departures, I think have a lot to do with their

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Antagonism towards me and Phil Johnson and John MacArthur and Chris Roseboro Now there are a number of issues with Jacob Prash, unfortunately

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Chris Roseboro has done several videos exposing some of these issues documenting them very ably and if you go into the description down below You will see these videos linked

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Jacob has lied about his own Jewish heritage That's I think been proven untrue now by Chris's research and there's the whole issue of Jacob identifying

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Christ as the Metatron If you've not seen that far too detailed to go into here

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But you can watch that video as well linked down below and encourage you to do that But in the midst of all of this stuff that's been going on with my interview adoring virtue and Joshua Chavez's attacks

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And all that Jacob has sent me some emails and I have it I have responded to to a few of his emails two or three.

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I don't know but anyway, I want to show you a little bit of some excerpts from a couple of these emails and This will kind of help you put the pieces of the puzzle together and get a more full understanding picture of what is going on so From the

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I believe this was the first one that he sent me back in May May 10th Jacob says do not make light of what

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John MacArthur's team falsely teaches concerning the Antichrist and his mark or Rick Warren's Antichrist interfaith peace plan

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While Todd frill defends Rick Warren now, I'm gonna pause here for just a second Todd frill is not does not defend

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Rick Warren. I have heard Todd frill Call Rick Warren a false teacher He has stopped short of calling him a heretic

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I Wouldn't have no hesitation in making that accusation that charge against Rick Warren I do believe he's a heretic, but nonetheless

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Todd is not defending Rick Warren. Todd does not recommend him on any level.

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He warns people against him He's just stopped a little bit short of calling him a heretic.

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I have no problem with calling him as such but at any rate notice what he says

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Don't make light of what John MacArthur's team falsely teaches concerning the Antichrist and his mark okay, so there's this whole thing on the internet about John MacArthur saying that you can take the mark of the beast and Go to heaven and all this kind of stuff

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Phil Johnson has written on this Fred Butler has written on this explaining more fully what

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John MacArthur did and did not say Regarding the mark of the beast, but but here's the thing.

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Here's the thing And this is this is what I did not understand myself until Chris Roseboro connected all the dots

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And you'll see those dots connected in those videos linked down below so apparently

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Jacob Prash and Joshua Chavez and anybody that follows them apparently they think they really believe that John MacArthur and Phil Johnson and I would suppose

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Todd Friel and Now myself We are all part of this

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Secret cabal. We're all part of this this secret organization you see

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Because we want you When it comes time to take the mark of the beast, that's what we're really after We want you to take the mark of the beast.

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I didn't realize I was so transparent I've got to do a much better job of hiding my my nefarious intentions here

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I hope that hope that pentagram is not you can't see the pentagram. Can you okay good.

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It's not in the screen. I Kid you not I kid you not you can't make this stuff up Just unbelievable

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John MacArthur is not encouraging anybody to take the mark of the beast. That's uh again look up Phil Johnson and Fred Butler's articles

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Phil Johnson did has done a couple of interviews now. In fact, he did one with Doreen Virtue and Chris Roseborough both about the mark of the beast.

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So anyway, um friends for what it's worth If if if you had any doubt,

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I assure you I'm not encouraging anybody to take of the mark of the beast.

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That's a bad thing So if you if you're still alive when that time comes up Don't do it.

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Okay. So anyway back to this email Jacob rash says you have joined

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John MacArthur the John MacArthur cheerleaders as he and Todd frill help help set the stage for The Antichrist and there you go.

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In other words Justin you have joined the Phil Johnson stable of religious hypocrites

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Not as a battle steed for truth, but as a jackass for error

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That's sweet You allow Phil Johnson now this gets me this gets me you allow

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Phil Johnson to use you as a marketing showpiece exploiting your handicap

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Phil Johnson and I have been friends. I don't know 12 or so years.

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I guess something along those lines Uh Okay friends,

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I'm not one if you know me at all anything beyond knowing my name, you know Then I am

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NOT one to pull the crippled card I'm not one of these evangelists That goes around with his sob story about how life was so hard because he was crippled and the dog hated him and you know

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All this kind of stuff. What was me? No, I Accept my handicap as God's good and kind Providence in my life

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I don't make a big deal out of in fact if I talk about my handicap Nine times out of ten.

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It's in some kind of a funny self -deprecating sort of a way to kind of put people at ease I call myself cripple little white cripple boy all the time just at any rate

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But my goodness to suggest to me that Phil Johnson or anyone for that matter is using me as a

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Marketing showpiece exploiting my handicap Talk about condescending talk about insulting

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I responded to Jacob and I basically said

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My legs are crippled. My mind isn't I think I would know if I was being exploited as a marketing showpiece

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For my handicap, not only is that an assault to me it's it's an insult to me. It's an insult to Phil Johnson.

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I Actually showed that to Phil Johnson and Phil Johnson quipped he responded He said he said he said what did did he catch me hitching a ride on your motorized wheelchair or something?

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you know, I mean ludicrous, I mean it just Insanity absolute insanity, but it's a what an insult

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Let me just add this quickly I've been to the campus of Grace Community Church a number of times over the years and let me tell you something difference you would be hard -pressed to find the church that does more to Accommodate and not only to accommodate but to actually use in ministry

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People with handicaps people in wheelchairs or whatever. They are they bend over backwards.

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In fact, they have an entire Ministry designed to help people in wheelchairs and various forms of Disabilities and they use them in ministry.

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I mean, it's just that What an unimaginable

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Insult, I digress and then he says

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I too am legally handicapped so Jacob rash was not born handicapped in the last several years.

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I guess he's developed a lymphatic edema edema as he said Got a lot of fluid retention and it's my hey,

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I get that. I've got that in my own feet and legs I have to wear special shoes because my and compression socks because my feet and lower legs swell up but like balloons but you know what

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I Don't know what angle he's going with that. I'm not impressed with him.

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I mean he walks without crutches He was not born handicapped. I was so Don't try pulling that card with me

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Anyway, just as they used or in virtues allegedly former New Age credentials such promotional strategy befits

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Copeland So I guess we're all like Bill Johnson's like Kenneth Copeland All right

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And then he says why don't you repent and revert to allowing God to use you again in the longer run? You won't regret it.

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If you continue with the hypocrisy and dishonesty of unjust weights that God calls abominable. You most certainly shall sincerely in Christ and Jacob rash okay, so That kind of gives you a little bit of an idea of what we're dealing with With Jacob rash

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Jacob rash and I'm not okay. This is not gossip You can go on YouTube. You can see videos of Jacob rash and he he very obviously has a

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Serious anger issue and That's not just my abs or observation.

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There are actually clips of him when he admits to that having anger issues And he says that's why he's not a pastor

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Because he's he has angers and it's very obvious that he does when you watch some clips of him If you have anger issues if you have an issue of controlling your anger

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Then you shouldn't be in ministry. You're not biblically qualified To be an elder you should not be in a position of spiritual leadership if you can't control your temper and Jacob rash even admits that he cannot do that and then in a subsequent email from Jacob.

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He said this Said deal with the factual and doctrinal issues or don't deal the religious hypocrisy to which you now subscribe is

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Nothing short of a shame and a disgrace, you know what John MacArthur teaches and Yeah, I do know what

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John MacArthur teaches he has been faithfully teaching Scripture for well over 50 years now and I do know what he teaches and that is why

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I'm so profoundly grateful for him He continues, you know what

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Doreen virtue taught you even though she lied but it makes no difference to you You have lost your integrity.

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You have morphed into a Jonathan choosing to die with a backslidden saw on Mount Gilboa Because your loyalties are more to man than to God Tragically you will hang on the walls of and it's it says

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Beth Sheen, but in the Hebrew, it's pronounced Bet -Shan so Okay, so for context here

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He is talking about the account in 1st Samuel chapter 31. This is when King Saul led the

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Israelites Into a battle against the Philistines Saul and his three sons were killed and the text says let me show you this first Samuel chapter 31 verses 8 through 10

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And I have some just some artist renderings of this text to help you kind of visualize what he's talking about It says it came about on the next day when the

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Philistines came to strip the slain They that they found Saul and his three sons fallen on Mount Gilboa They cut off his head

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It's the artwork there They cut off his head and stripped off his weapons and sent them throughout the land of the

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Philistines To carry the good news to the house of their idols and to the people They put his weapons in the temple of Ashtoreth and they fastened his body to the wall of Bet -Shan

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That's what he's talking about. That's the context there and That's what he says will happen to me

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Nice Who writes like that? I mean that is just That's that's pretty jaw -dropping.

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I've been to Bet -Shan. I was there a year and a half or so ago in Israel I've seen the place and he says that's what's going to happen to me

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I Mean, I'm sure that is a in fact, I know it's a it's a you know, it's a metaphorical kind of analogy but honestly who writes like that and I mean is his emails to me are just full of Insults and Rebuke and accusations and Well, you've seen it for yourself

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He obviously has anger issues. He admits to them himself and it's obviously

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True you follower you panderer you liar

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Justin Five months you knew about this testimony and did nothing Justin Peters is disqualified from ministry altogether for five months.

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He knew about this and said nothing He did nothing Justin Peters knew there was a problem

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November 30th and said nothing until Until He was forced to say something and go into damage control along with Doreen virtue

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Justin you big liar you What a liar

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Tell the world please tell the world when you found out about this Because if you say you only found out when you watch my video, you're a liar

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I mean you lied you didn't see clarification either neither one of you care because you're both frauds

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This guy should be writing Hallmark cards Your frauds in the business of business.

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Oh Kenneth Copeland is bad Benny Hinn's bad But as long as this flattering woman

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Approves of your ministry and gives you a platform and access to all of her followers. You just eat it up like honey

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Okay difference. I want to interrupt this just for a second because he makes a reference that this is a business for me

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He accuses me of just looking at this as a as a business and he said I you know

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I just want access to Doreen virtues followers I think I can honestly tell you that until I heard him say that The thought of gaining access to Doreen virtues followers honestly had never even crossed my mind

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Honestly never even crossed my mind until I heard him say it But at any rate for those of you who do not know me

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Well some of you who are watching this you do know this about me But for those of you who are not real familiar with me, let me say a quick word about my finances

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My salary is set by my board of directors It is a five -figure salary and it is it is well south of six figures

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So just a five -figure salary, you know, just kind of run -of -the -mill type type average salary,

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I suppose as far as this being a business for me, I Don't know how to say this without it sounding like I'm tooting my own horn.

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I promise you I'm not I just want you to know the truth I have Traveled to a number of Countries at my own expense at the ministry's own expense

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I've preached now in 27 different countries a number of these countries are very poor countries and I have a policy of going to poor countries at my own expense if they cannot afford to pay for any of my expenses

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I've been to to Ecuador to Nicaragua to Uganda to Zambia to India all these countries at my own expense and I do that because I Want people to have the truth?

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I do not want to finances to be a hindrance to people who are hungry for the truth And so I have that policy

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I just do that another thing that I do is that I give my resources away for free to people who cannot afford them

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Some people obviously most people can and I'm grateful for that because that enables me to produce the resources

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But for those who cannot afford them, I give my resources away for free I don't want hindered the

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I don't want money to be a hindrance to people Just last year at a conference in California.

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I gave away 3 ,000 of my DVDs clouds without water that were translated into Spanish.

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It was a Spanish speaking conference Clouds without water in Spanish new base in Agua and I gave away 3 ,000 of those for free to mostly two pastors that's

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So I'm not saying that to toot my own horn I just want you to know a little bit more about the ministry if you're not familiar with this is not a business for Me I care about the truth and I want people to have the truth and I don't want finances to be a hindrance to them so back to the rant and You did nothing you sat on that information and did nothing

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Because you're a liar Justin Peters. I Didn't know anything Pontius Peter's strikes again

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Because he was too much of a coward to deal with it when he found out Would you call it loving to know about a false vision of Jesus testimony for five months and say nothing?

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You hate Doreen so much that you didn't bother to reach out to her and warn her about her false vision

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Okay, I want to interrupt here for just a minute Joshua Chavez accuses me of not being loving towards Doreen because I knew about her

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Testimony for five months and said nothing to her about it. Well a I didn't know about it for five months

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I didn't know about it until his video came out be it is the ultimate in hypocrisy

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For him to accuse me of not being loving towards Doreen for not contacting her

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When I supposedly knew about her testimony, here's the thing Joshua obviously did know about it because he put all these clips together in his

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May 5th video and I asked Doreen just the other day. I said

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Doreen at any point before Joshua's video came out May 5th Did he contact you?

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Nope. Nope. No contact. No phone call. No email no

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Smoke signals. Nothing. Nothing He never contacted her. He accuses me of being unloving and indeed hating

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Doreen Because I didn't share the truth with her When a I didn't know it and be he did not do the same himself.

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He did know about it, obviously He didn't contact her. He if he if he loved her he would have

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Contacted her and said something along the lines of hey Doreen Praise the Lord that you're no longer in the new age of cult deception and you're now following Christ but I saw some of the

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Videos of your testimony and really weird about the dreams and visions of Jesus and all this stuff

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Can I help walk you through this to maybe help you better understand? Why why that what you think happened to you didn't really happen to you that nothing like that.

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Nothing the first Doreen Virtue knew of Joshua Chavez Or at least of his, you know

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Interaction with her was the May 5th video where he came out this blistering withering Video that he put out this broadside against both

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Doreen and me. That was that was first she had heard from him And I mean the the lack of self -awareness is just Gobsmacking Absolutely gobsmacking one other point dear friends

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This is something that I wanted to share in my first video response to Joshua but I Refrained from it because there was just so much going on and I didn't want to put

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Any more of a burden on her that was already on her plate than it already was or make things more complicated than they already were some people have

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Accused me and criticized me maybe a better word of not Telling Doreen that as a new

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Christian she should not be teaching Doctrine and theology. Well, here's the reality.

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I did share those concerns with her because I am I'm a big believer that a new convert

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Does not need to be in a position of teaching theology Elders are not to be new converts and granted.

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We're not talking about Doreen becoming an elder at all in a church She's a female can't do that.

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But nonetheless the principle is true regardless of your gender if you're a new convert, especially especially if you're a convert that has just come out of a

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Decidedly non -christian background. Okay, like in other words not someone that say maybe was raised

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In a Baptist Church and you know has has this kind of framework of truth, but it wasn't truly converted and then was converted

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But I mean someone who comes from a background of absolutely no Bible knowledge or Bible instruction at all someone for example that's come out of the

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New Age movement or someone that has come out of You know been saved out of Islam or just plain agnosticism or whatever

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Someone that doesn't hasn't been taught scripture doesn't need to begin teaching scripture the day after they get converted

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Okay, there they need their time in Arabia and I even said that to to Doreen a time in Arabia of course, that's a reference to Saul and his conversion.

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He went to Arabia had a time of Preparation before he began his ministry and his missionary travels and all that So if if Paul needed his time in Arabia all of us do before we start teaching doctrine and theology and I expressed those concerns to Doreen and This was this was back in May and she received those

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Admonitions very graciously. She did she received them. She was not offended. I've shared this with Kathy Kathy knows all about it my wife and so we were both very encouraged by that now

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As best I understand at this point Doreen is not she's not teaching theology doctor.

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She is taking seminary classes She's doing very well in them from what she said. So I'm making straight A's I think

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But she's not she's not teaching theology and doctrine. In fact, she told me in an email She says that I she needs to make sure she does not violate first Timothy chapter 2 verse 12, rightly so More than I can say for Joyce Meyer and Beth Moore, but that's anyway rabbit trail

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She doesn't see herself as teaching theology and doctors. She sees herself as warning against cultic doctrine in in theology, so But anyway,

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I wanted you to know that because I don't want anybody to think that I'm being a hypocrite again

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No, I did express those concerns to Doreen and she and her husband received them in the spirit with which they were given

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You might claim to love the Word of God, but you know nothing of the

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God of the Word. I Know who you love you love yourself self love

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Mr. Pontius Peters Okay, so that is a sampling of the video.

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That is the tone throughout it all throughout the video He calls me names just liar hypocrite coward fraud disqualified from ministry

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Pontius Peters I think at one point he even called me a pathetic little man or something like that.

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So that is that's the tone of it and and I Ask you

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What do you think about that, I mean what you've seen from Jacob Prash and Joshua Chavez I Ask you does that reflect any of the fruit of the

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Spirit? The fruit of the Spirit as Paul lays out in Galatians chapter 5

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The fruit of the Spirit is love joy. Peace patience kindness goodness faithfulness gentleness self -control

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Against such things there is no law Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires

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One little fun fact there You notice that fruit is in the singular and yet there are nine different fruits listed there the reason that it's singular fruit and yet nine different fruits is because all

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Christians are expected to Demonstrate each and every one of those None of us does it perfectly.

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None of us does it perfectly, but all of us should our lives should be characterized and should be demonstrating these fruits which in Totality is one fruit of the

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Spirit and if you do not Exhibit the fruit of the Spirit then you have every reason to examine yourself to see if you're in the faith and and there's not a drop of that fruit in in Joshua Chavez's videos either one of the videos.

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I mean it not not a hint of it not a hint of any kindness or gentleness or self -control that he is expressed towards Doreen or to me

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And the reason is is because the fruit of the Spirit it is indeed fruit of the

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Holy Spirit It's not something that you can manufacture on your own. It's not something that you can gin up It is it is something that is given to us by the

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Holy Spirit of God and someone whose life is is marked Not by the presence of that fruit again.

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None of us does it perfectly but by the by the absence of it He that person whoever you are

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Has every reason to examine yourself 2nd 2nd Corinthians 13 5 Examine yourself to see if you are in the faith now as we begin to kind of get to the to the real

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Issue here, you know liar disqualified emails want to pick back up with these emails because The email that I've already addressed

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November 30th. That wasn't in fairness. It was not the only email Justin would you like to claim that you never got this one as well?

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What a what a curious pattern Are you just not getting all the emails about Doreen Versha you get every other email

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But you don't you didn't get the ones about Doreen. Would you like to tell everybody on record? That you never got these emails

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Justin because I think you did and you know, you're lying if you say you didn't So, yes, there were other emails and yes, they did come in to me.

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They did come in to my inbox So these people emailed me much more specific information about Doreen virtues testimony and Joshua Chavez used those screenshots in this in his latest video against me from which we've been watching these clips

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And so the people who sent me those emails obviously after his first video came out forwarded those emails to him

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And so they those are real emails. They absolutely did come into my inbox. They were there

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Let me tell you when I first saw those emails I first saw those emails after Joshua's Latest video the one that I'm addressing right now was posted.

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In fact when his video was posted. I was at a wedding in Northwest Montana, I didn't know anything about the video until my friend friend

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David Hinckley texted me about it and He's he told me

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I was at a wedding so I couldn't watch the video and I was asking the gist of it And he told me and he said he has these emails screenshots of emails that were sent to you that he says prove you that You are lying about not knowing about her testimony

01:00:38

And so David sent me screenshots taken from Joshua's video via text into my phone

01:00:45

And I was looking at these screenshots and based on the screenshots I then went to my email and I searched for those emails and you know what sure enough there they were in my inbox

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Still in bold black letters with the little envelope icon, you know still closed

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Yeah, they were there, but I never saw I never opened them. I did not see them

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I did not lay eyes on them until David sent me those screenshots now Those of you who are critics of me who don't like me.

01:01:20

Anyway, Joshua Chavez, obviously I Probably can't do anything to convince you of that Other than to say this

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I can say with a crystal clear conscience before God Knowing that one day

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I will give an account to him for every word that I say That I did not see those emails.

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I did not open those emails at all Did not read a word of them until David Hinckley sent me those screenshots and then

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I looked them up myself That was the first I knew about him. So dear ones. I am NOT lying to you

01:01:54

About not knowing about the specifics of Doreen Virtue's testimony I didn't know about it until Joshua Chavez's video came out in his video he also had

01:02:06

Made reference to or screenshots or whatever. I haven't even watched the whole thing to be honest with you yet But I know he made reference to Doreen Virtue's interview that she did with Chris Rosebro and Dwayne Atkinson I didn't even know about those interviews until his video came out.

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Here's something else I've never been to Doreen Virtue's website until Joshua's First video came out on May 5th.

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No offense Doreen But I mean, I've just there's a lot of websites. I've never been to so dear friends

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I didn't see these emails and the reason I didn't see these emails is That right now

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I have 24 ,000 445 unread emails in my inbox

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I just now took this screenshot so that you could see it and dear friends. I cannot keep up with that I am one man

01:02:57

I am a small ministry this ministry that God has given to me is a small one and yet it's an international one

01:03:04

In other words, I have no paid staff. I David Hinckley is a volunteer He maintains a ministry

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Facebook page for me good friend And he does this just because he believes in what

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I'm doing and in very much like minded And so he helps me with the ministry Facebook page, but the emails those all come to me

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They all come to me and I simply cannot keep up with them all and I miss a lot of emails

01:03:29

I miss a lot of emails more on that in just a second Justin's pretty prompt about responding to emails.

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I for example, I'm behind Probably two months on emails. By the way, if you are waiting on an email response from me, please

01:03:43

Bear with me the last month especially has been very chaotic Both family wise and legal wise and all this stuff.

01:03:51

So my my apologies I kind of chuckled when I heard him say that so by his own admission

01:03:58

He is two months or so behind on his emails so it's okay for him to be behind on his emails, but Somehow if I'm behind on my emails, then there's something nefarious going on Just just another example of the double standard but Justin gives his email address out all the times if you if you go to the comment section in his

01:04:22

YouTube channel He gives emails out all the time his email. Hey, call me talk to me So yes on occasion

01:04:29

I I do do that now it's quite hyperbolic to say that I do that all the time but if I go to one of my videos and I'm looking at the comments and someone

01:04:37

Asks for some resources that I recommend and by the way, I have a document and I've mentioned this in other videos

01:04:44

I've put up I have a document of recommended resources and I've put this document together for the express purpose of Cutting down on some of my email load and so people who have heard my video or heard me say that in one of my videos

01:05:00

Sometimes they'll comment and say hey, can you send me one of those? Documents, you know your recommended resources and if I see that comment

01:05:08

I'll sometimes I'll respond and I'll say yes, please email me Justin at Justin Peters org

01:05:14

And so if I know to be looking for that person's email, those are much higher probability

01:05:20

That I will see it and I do try to look for those emails to come in and I will attach that document and send it off to them so those those kind of Emails.

01:05:30

Yeah, if I know to be looking for them Pretty good chance. I will respond to them. I also try to prioritize emails that I see that are from people who are asking for help and finding a good church because I am a

01:05:44

Big believer that having a good doctrinally sound church is of paramount importance to our spiritual well -being or growth in Christ and how we reflect him and so I Tend to Prioritize those as much as I possibly can and help people to find a doctrinally sound church near where they live

01:06:04

I spent a lot of time doing that So so yeah, I do do that and but even some of those

01:06:12

I miss dear friends. Here's the thing. I Cannot tell you how many emails every single day

01:06:19

I get from people saying Asking me. What do you think about this person?

01:06:24

What do you think about that person? Well, I saw this person. Have you heard of this person? What do you think about this?

01:06:31

Doctrine, what do you think about that? I've heard this talk You know, I I got I got a dream that I really thought was from the

01:06:37

Lord. How do you explain this? How do I talk to my wife who is not a believer?

01:06:42

How do I talk to my husband who is not a believer? I've got wayward children. I mean on and on have you read this book here, please read this book just this past week

01:06:52

I had three books mailed to me people wanting me to read their books. I mean,

01:06:58

I I can't I Can't keep up. I would love to honestly, I would love to I wish

01:07:04

I wish I could get to every person's email I can't I can't read every book.

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I can't watch every video that people want me to watch I do The best I can

01:07:15

I do the best I can but I miss a lot and and those screenshots of those emails

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Those are one of the thousands of emails That I miss or did you receive all of these emails and do nothing about it?

01:07:30

You fraudulent liar you and if you didn't Justin You're even more negligent than I gave you credit for and if you did which

01:07:40

I bet you did You're a worse liar than Benny Hinn at the beginning of this video

01:07:45

I said that you would hear from my board members Jim Osmond and Mike Miller and you would also hear from my wife

01:07:51

Kathy my wife's not on the board, but she's the most important person in the world to me And so more on that in just a minute

01:07:58

But first I want you to hear from Jim Osmond Jim was my pastor when we lived in northern Idaho up until we moved about a year and a half ago.

01:08:05

And so first Jim Osmond. Hi everyone I'm Jim Osmond with Kootenai Community Church I'm also a board member for Justin Peters ministry and I want to comment a little bit on the recent dust -up and controversy that Justin seems to be involved in with Supposedly he was emailed some information that warned him about a certain podcast that he went on that where he disagreed

01:08:26

Theologically with the host of the podcast and I just wanted to comment on that for a second Apparently the the whole thing comes down to the fact that somebody somewhere can prove that just a new ahead of time this person's position on certain continuationist gifts

01:08:41

Because they sent somebody sent him an email and Justin received this email And I just want to say that really

01:08:49

If you had any idea how many emails Justin receives and the amount of volume of correspondence that he has to go through with emails

01:08:56

It is it is hundreds of emails a day Maybe thousands a week that Justin gets and one man could never keep up with that for instance, we

01:09:06

I was joking around with a friend of mine when we were at the last Shepherds conference and I was talking to him about my criticism of Justin is

01:09:13

Justin is too available his cell phone number and his email or on his website available for Anybody to to contact him and he just has too many people give him

01:09:21

I have his cell number and they text him they text him questions They email him questions, etc. And I was joking with my friend.

01:09:27

I said, I bet you if we picked up Justin's phone right now And we looked at his email app on his phone. I would bet you that there are 12 000 unread email messages on his phone and my friend just Chuckled and laughed shook his head like I couldn't believe it.

01:09:41

So I grabbed Justin's phone I opened it up and I showed it to him and I was within a thousand I asked Justin the other day how many unread email messages do you have on your phone?

01:09:48

He looked at it He said it's over 24 000. That's over 24 000 unread email messages

01:09:54

That says nothing of all the ones that he has been able to read people email him questions

01:10:00

Asking him to come and do speaking engagements He gets he gets whack -a -doodle emails from people that are just gibberish and nonsense and criticizing him.

01:10:08

He gets Advertisements he gets emails from people. He has never met people who just simply email him because they want they have a question about prophetic healing ministries or something

01:10:18

Justin if if he did nothing else but answer emails, it would be all he would do for eight or ten hours a day constantly

01:10:24

He just cannot get to all of that correspondence So is it possible that somebody emailed him an email?

01:10:30

And warned him about it Yeah, it is possible but more than likely what happened to them is what has happened to me and what happens to thousands of other people who email justin

01:10:38

Is that the email came in and justin never saw it? Because he simply does not have the time to go through that volume of correspondence

01:10:45

And take the email and add to that the text messages and the voicemail messages It's more than one man can do and here's the dirty little secret.

01:10:53

Justin is crippled And it takes him 10 times as long to do Normal daily things that you and I take for granted.

01:11:00

It takes me 15 20 minutes to shower It takes just in an hour and a half to get ready And when he's traveling and he's on the road, he does that by himself

01:11:07

He doesn't have his wife kathy there to help him with any of that. So it takes justin Exponentially longer to do all the daily tasks that you and I take for granted and do regularly

01:11:20

It's not as easy for him. He types slower. He walks slower. Everything that he does is slower

01:11:25

He doesn't have the time that you and I would have the amount of correspondence that he gets would drive a normal person batty and He he can only get to a small fraction of a fraction of it.

01:11:36

So Somebody sent him an email. Does that prove that he knew about it? No, it doesn't prove it at all because you'd have to assume that he got the email that he

01:11:44

Saw the email and that he read the email and that he thought it was worth checking up on You'd have to assume all of that and I know somebody would object and say well

01:11:52

I emailed justin one time or I texted him and he emailed me right back I've seen that happen. I've been driving down the road with justin sitting next to me or sitting at a restaurant uh waiting for a meal to come and a notification will come in an email message or a text message and Justin will pick up his phone and and right then probably answer it if he has a couple of moments

01:12:10

But that is just that's the anomaly. That's the one time out of 100 that he's able to do that I bet you if you looked at his text messages,

01:12:16

I bet there is over a hundred unread text messages on his phone right now He just and voicemail messages the the amount of voicemail messages just stack up I have sent justin stuff in email that he's been expecting from me

01:12:29

And I send it and it'll go a day or two and i'll have to email him again Or i'll text him or call him and say hey

01:12:34

Did you get this thing that you were expecting I have had emails that i've sent to justin that have gotten lost And gone unread and unnoticed simply because he does not have the time and much of the time that he spends

01:12:45

That he spends doing things is in other time zones Where it's even more difficult to get to stuff and where he's even less likely because the time demands upon him so The fact that justin received any or somebody sent justin an email warning him about something

01:12:58

It's not evidence that he's lying about it because I would be willing to bet you my last dollar that he didn't see the email

01:13:04

That's most likely That's far more likely than the idea the notion that justin peters is a liar

01:13:10

All right, and then one quick thing about the venue that he went on Justin is known for going into environments charismatic churches um on programs radio programs where he doesn't agree theologically with everything that he is

01:13:22

Uh that that the host of that program or that the pastor of that church might believe Justin goes into hostile venues and i've seen him go in and and there's video of him confronting todd bentley in one of his meetings

01:13:33

Justin goes into he went into a benny hinn Uh place and he shared the gospel of people who were in a benny hinn audience during one of the tapings of benny hinn's

01:13:41

Programs justin goes into hostile venues and he presents the truth and he never compromises what he believes or what he would say

01:13:48

So even if he went on a podcast television program a radio program where he didn't he didn't agree with the host

01:13:54

Theologically on the continuation of cessationist issue or visions and dreams or new age teaching what it is

01:13:59

That would not compromise what justin would say or how he would handle it at all Justin would still preach the truth

01:14:05

He would still handle it gracefully and he would still say what is true no matter what the venue is It's irrelevant to him the context in which he is saying the truth.

01:14:13

He still speaks the truth So I say that as justin's friend and I know there's somebody who'd say well You're just you're a board member. You're justin's friend.

01:14:18

You're biased I'm sure that there are critics who would say that those critics would rather them be true in every man a liar

01:14:24

And that's what they would accuse anybody of who came to justin's defense But as a board member as one of his best friends as somebody who considers him one of my best friends as somebody who sees

01:14:33

The books that justin keeps and sees his schedule It sees his ministry from the inside have been closer to him than most other men in terms of watching and observing him

01:14:42

I I can guarantee you justin is not lying if justin said he didn't get that email He did not get that email and I would bet my life on it

01:14:49

That's my take My name is mike miller.

01:14:57

I'm a cpa in oklahoma. I have been since 2010 and um Reading a statement that I drafted for justin peter's ministries incorporated

01:15:06

Uh concerning, you know, it's public charity status governance And uh more specifically and more importantly the recent dust up on the internet.

01:15:15

I wanted to uh to draft a response Going back to 2011. I volunteered my professional time to assist the ministry

01:15:23

With tax compliance and general accounting matters for the last several years. I've served on the board of directors as treasurer

01:15:28

The members of the board are independent and objective individuals have familiarity with ministry

01:15:34

And they provide oversight and corporate governance and justin Ministry has always

01:15:40

Operated with transparency. It's a non -for -profit 501 c3 charity and it has been for quite some time

01:15:46

And those records are available to public scrutiny In addition to the volunteer work

01:15:52

I do for the ministry justin and I have traveled on several overseas mission trips together I've seen mr.

01:15:57

Peter's um Also personally we came home to our hometown to present a seminar On discernment at the invitation of the local church where I also pastor part -time

01:16:06

Non -vocationally and during those times we have also co -labored in the gospel I've had the opportunity not only to work with justin but also to closely observe his bearing and character his deportment

01:16:17

Not just in private matters, but also in public And because of my familiarity and involvement with the ministry

01:16:23

And justin personally, I believe it was appropriate and also prudent to respond to the recent public criticism of justin by certain personalities on the internet

01:16:32

My commentary in this public letter is not only given as a christian but also as a pastor and as a cpa despite a debilitating physical challenge in my experience and observation justin has

01:16:43

Operated as a dedicated and faithful minister of the gospel. Not only have I personally witnessed him exercise endurance

01:16:48

And great patience to serve the lord jesus and the saints in the ministry He's traveled to many third world countries where accessibility is extremely limited for somebody with a disabled disability

01:16:58

A is also engaged in personal evangelism. I've seen him faithfully And accurately witness the gospel on more than one occasion to many individuals

01:17:06

On mission trips the ones that we went on together. These were not pampered Vacations or speaking engagements were not paid engagements.

01:17:15

Justin went on his own cost He went on his own initiative He went to very remote primitive locations at his own expense with extreme effort and Also with a certain amount of risk significant amount of risk really in addition to labor in those local churches, uh, he also spoke at Some of the different events that the church has hosted

01:17:37

Justin has no paid staff. He's only a single part -time helper And volunteers the ministry is a small ministry in that regard.

01:17:45

It exists without public appeals for donations It's supported by individual christians who often make small personal donations

01:17:52

And I mentioned this because one of the criticisms of justin by these internet, uh individuals Is that because uh, some person emailed justin and he did not respond therefore it's assumed that he read the email

01:18:03

And was informed of its contents And he is lying about it, which is not true In fact, that doesn't comport with reality at all

01:18:12

And you know, these are very It's very significant to get into the the background information on this and understand that with cerebral palsy

01:18:20

Justin has to live With you know, even mundane activities or extremely laborious activities

01:18:28

He has to live with that every day The ministry is able to respond to a few social media messages only because of volunteer assistance

01:18:36

And justin if he were to read and respond to all of the thousands and thousands of emails he receives that will consume

01:18:42

Quite literally all of his time It would be a full -time job just answering emails and it's not like he has a staff.

01:18:47

It's not like Some of the more public well -funded sort of organizational structures where there's

01:18:54

You know full -time staff responding to things justin doesn't have any of that kind of support. It's just basically him and a few individuals

01:19:02

It's not practical or prudent for a small ministry to be able to answer thousands of emails and still be able to do the teaching

01:19:08

Seminars and conduct theological research Which are justin's primary duty Further I believe it's significant to note that many of the questions that justin receives are from hostile parties.

01:19:18

They're quite vitriolic I've read many of them we get some of those on the social media where I try to Respond as many as I can some people are very bitter because it's touching on things that they really have a emotional attachment to And oftentimes and more importantly a lot of these questions are very complex theological issues

01:19:37

You know things like the nature of spiritual gifts election sovereignty of god how god leads his people discerning god's secret will eschatological matters the nature of the holy spirit the trinity

01:19:47

These types of questions, you know, many scholars have written whole books on there's classes on there's whole seminary presentations on Just to reach the foothills of those issues um a lot of wrangling but many of the individuals who email justin expect

01:20:02

And even demand sometimes long and detailed and lucid dissertations and debate about those things and you know to do justice to those type of topics requires a very time consuming effort

01:20:15

These are not simple issues And for justin typing is not an easy effort What might take a typical person an hour to write might be twice as long for justin because he has a

01:20:23

You know the disability of the cerebral palsy In my experience justin has always responded as many as he could in fact

01:20:29

It was in response to an inquiry from me That justin and I first met On a personal level

01:20:35

And he does answer emails, but he can't read all the emails. That's just not physically possible so a few emails from some

01:20:43

Persons is a no wise proof of justin lying. I've not known him to lie Not that you know, justin's not a sinner like everyone else

01:20:51

But i'd have zero reason or evidence to support a notion That's insinuated on the internet that He's not being forthright in my presence.

01:21:00

He's always been honest and faithful to me to those that i've been around To all those I know of that have been in contact with him

01:21:06

So the accusation of dishonesty on the part of justin in this matter is Is really reckless especially regarding a couple of emails and It's not only reckless, but it's also without merit

01:21:18

A basis and vindictive reviling really that no christian should give heed to in my opinion With regard to the interview that justin did with uh, mr

01:21:27

Doreen virtue The ministry itself had not heard of the claims of receiving dreams and visions This was completely unknown to justin prior to the video

01:21:34

They came out attacking him early in may despite you know that people had sent emails a lot of those emails never

01:21:40

They had never gotten read um Just too many as I mentioned before And I would note that it is not uncommon

01:21:46

Uh for a new saint and and doreen's testimony is that he came to salvation after you know years decades even of being a

01:21:55

Uh in a very severe pagan cult Um, but it's not uncommon for our new saint going through sanctification

01:22:02

And growing in grace and their doctors being vetted and established the word that They're going to have some issues they're going to be incorrect on some things and It's proper and more biblical for mature believers to come alongside

01:22:14

As the saints came alongside apollos With a gentle and firm instruction on the way of god more perfectly and not you know with an overbearing, you know hammer fist

01:22:25

And I suspect that doreen as a new convert was probably still working through some of those doctrines dealing with you know

01:22:31

How god communicates with people dealing with scars of the prior decades of pagan religious devotion And uh, you know, i've been that person, you know,

01:22:38

I came out of a hardened agnosticism into christ And you do carry some scars and god deals with those throughout your life by means of grace he's given the scriptures and church service prayer worship and other christians

01:22:50

It takes time some more than others and the christians should exercise therefore some grace especially the new convert on issues that are important, but secondary

01:23:00

And uh issues like dreams and visions are important issues, but they are not essential necessarily to the gospel a person can

01:23:08

Misinterpret those experiences or have a different view of those experiences and still Understand christ died for their sin.

01:23:15

So that's important and it shouldn't be glossed over or promoted But it is an area that christians can have discussion about And my point is that justin did not endorse

01:23:25

All the dreams views her doctrines. He's not an expert on on her doctrines or her content He just did an interview and had some conversation like he went with anyone and i've known him to talk to All sorts of people from different walks of life

01:23:40

And if there's any critique, it's the brother is uh, he's big -hearted willing to talk to anyone who comes to the faith

01:23:46

Or to try to persuade people to come to the faith and not all those he talks with are solid and mature in the faith

01:23:51

Oftentimes, they're quite hostile and we've seen before on mission trips where our hosts were not on the same page with some of our doctrines and We had fellowship justin went and presented uh his you know discernment seminar and it was you know, it was quite compelling and powerful to the to most of the attendees and uh, so it's not uncommon for justin and his line of Ministry to go into areas where there may be some disagreement and that needs to be understood so If justin, um, you know

01:24:24

Went and talked with individuals that were only solid mature in the faith He didn't talk to hostile parties

01:24:32

You know that would not He couldn't effectively witness as much It just happens in evangelism.

01:24:39

That's going to happen so oftentimes those who write to justin even

01:24:45

I think are hostile and It could be a distraction. I think a lot of this dust up Is an effort on that part

01:24:53

In my uh experience justin has always acted in an honorable manner even in the face of great adversity And I think the accusations which have been made are basis.

01:25:01

I see no merit in any of them Uh to my conviction. He is a faithful minister A good and honorable man, and I appreciate the opportunity to share my thoughts on this matter and i'm available for a comment if anyone wants to discuss that Thank you

01:25:17

I tell you I just love jim osmond and mike miller. I appreciate them so much Not only for what they do for the ministry, but just their friendship their counsel

01:25:26

I've gone to both of them many times and I love these two brothers and I love their families and I appreciate them

01:25:32

So very much There's one other person though that I want you to hear from and that is my wife. Kathy now

01:25:38

Just a little bit of backstory. Um for those of you who know my wife Kathy you would know

01:25:44

Just how extraordinary Uh what i'm about to let you listen to is and I say that because my wife is a very very

01:25:52

Private person. She does not like the spotlight at all. Uh, you you just you want she doesn't like having her picture made

01:26:01

Uh, even though as you'll see just a second. She's uh, she's a beautiful lady, but she does not like the camera

01:26:07

She does not like the spotlight so, um for her to speak out on this, um is extraordinary we woke up a couple of mornings ago in bed and and um

01:26:16

She told me first thing in the morning that she has something she wants to contribute to this video as we were talking about me putting this together and and um,

01:26:24

I just about Fell over. I I couldn't believe it because this is not normal for her.

01:26:30

Those of you who know her Know that it takes a lot For her to do something like this.

01:26:36

In fact, I think this is the only time that she's She's made a very public statement in my defense. She's done so on some other occasions in a private manner to certain individuals, but But not publicly so this what you're about to hear is quite an extraordinary thing.

01:26:51

So, uh, I want you to listen to this audio From my wife kathy. I'd like to start off By introducing myself.

01:27:09

I'm justin's wife It's likely that the majority of you listening right now. You don't know me and you will likely never meet me

01:27:17

But what you should know is i'm not a public figure nor do I have a social media presence It actually takes a lot to get me to leave the comfort of my anonymity to say anything publicly

01:27:28

But as a wife a mother and a grandmother there is a mama grizzly in me that has little patience for baseless attacks against those

01:27:35

I love When those attacks reach a fever pitch by people who claim to be christians

01:27:40

Specifically joshua chavez and his brood of fruitless followers I'm really left with just one option and that's to defend the man.

01:27:50

I love dearly what the truth about who he really is The bible has much to say about the serious sins of gossip and slander gossip

01:27:59

Is defined as unconstrained conversation or reports about people typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true

01:28:07

A person who habitually reveals personal information or sensational facts about others.

01:28:13

That's a gossip Someone who repeats a rumor or a report of an intimate nature.

01:28:18

That's a gossip slander is defined as the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another person's reputation a false and defamatory statement about someone

01:28:34

This is what joshua is doing to my husband proverbs 29 19 says that he who goes about as a slanderer reveals secrets therefore do not associate with a gossip

01:28:47

Proverbs 25 23 says the north wind brings forth rain and a backbiting tongue and angry countenance

01:28:55

Proverbs 16 28 a perverse man. So strife and a whisper separates the best of friends

01:29:02

Ecclesiastes 10 13 says in the beginning of his talking is folly and the end

01:29:09

Of it is wicked madness. Yea the fool multiplies words Proverbs 10 18 he who conceals hatred has lying lips and he who speaks slander is a fool

01:29:21

Gossip is even listed in the sins of romans 1 and that marks out the lives of unbelievers sins including murder hatred of god and homosexuality

01:29:31

The bible is crystal clear regarding slander and gossip and yet joshua has been doing just that time and time again regarding my husband first off To those of you who follow joshua and think that my husband is fair game for his slander fest and post your own

01:29:48

Uninformed comments supportive of his slander Perhaps you should find a more productive way to spend your time

01:29:54

Let me admonish you to get off the internet open your bibles and repent of your sin My husband has more integrity and godly character in his little finger

01:30:04

Than all of you keyboard warriors hiding behind your hypocrisy why you believe a lie

01:30:10

So you can feel better about your own sinful behavior And the past 10 years that i've been married to justin since the day that god called him to himself

01:30:19

Justin has never given me any reason to question his character and integrity He lives out what he believes without compromise or caving to the pressure of the latest softening of truth

01:30:29

They say no one knows you better than your spouse and just his spouse I watch him on a daily basis work tirelessly sitting at his desk from the time

01:30:37

He gets up until the time we go to bed taking the time to answer calls sifting through endless emails

01:30:42

While trying to prioritize what is most important as hard as he works in as many hours as he puts in He still doesn't get to most of them answering emails isn't all he does

01:30:52

He also has a myriad of other responsibilities that he must do alone He doesn't have a giant staff of people working for him

01:30:59

Nor the resources the larger ministries have that would make things easier to some degree because his handicap makes much of that difficult

01:31:06

If not impossible Currently justin has over 24 000 emails in his inbox that he has not opened

01:31:13

And then there are some 15 000 that were deleted because they were simply too old I live with the man.

01:31:19

I see his email inbox daily. I see how hard he labors how he pours himself into his work

01:31:24

He's one man doing the work of five He has no staff and when i'm able to help him with his miles high piles of work.

01:31:32

It's only after I do what i've already Done in my own pile. He sometimes sends me emails

01:31:38

He gets from ladies that he would prefer me to answer and I can't even get to all of them Anyone who suggests that he saw an email and is lying about it is clearly more interested in harming justin than they are in the truth

01:31:51

Maybe y 'all including you joshua ought to get your facts straight before you heap more condemnation on yourselves for participating

01:31:58

In joshua's sin and making his sin your own If you could see him in his office and the amount of work he has you might be more reluctant to accuse him so quickly fyi

01:32:10

Justin types With just two fingers. Those are the only ones that work on his hands

01:32:16

I don't know why joshua has such an issue with my husband But based on his lack of fruit my biblically educated guess would be that he is a lost man and is such a tool of satan

01:32:26

I once heard a pastor say a profession of faith, which makes no difference in your life makes no difference to god either

01:32:33

I don't see as much as a drop of humility in that man while he is blasting all the people he hates from his youtube channel

01:32:41

One thing I do know is that if he belonged to a biblical church with a biblical pastor he'd be under some serious church discipline

01:32:49

This man calls himself a christian and yet the bible Would define a christian entirely different than how joshua represents one

01:32:58

Justin's greatest strengths are his patience and long -suffering He puts up with far more than most of us have to and his attitude is always one of gratitude for even the simplest things

01:33:09

I have told him on many occasions that he is a man without guile Too trusting and should have his radar up because guys like joshua chavez are everywhere

01:33:18

And men who love the truth and devote their lives to preaching it will always be the target of those detractors

01:33:24

But like a man who loves truth more than he dislikes the persecution He pushes forward through the muck and the mire of the workers of satan to reach god's elect

01:33:33

If any of you who thinks of yourself as a christian can watch joshua Whose speech is far from spoken with grace and seasoned with salt

01:33:41

Go after a man with the caustic bombastic rhetoric that he blasts

01:33:46

While hiding behind his microphone and you can sit back and think this is how a christian behaves

01:33:51

I would encourage you to check your own salvation against what the scriptures teach Speaking the truth and love is not even remotely close to joshua's behavior and many of his comments on his youtube page

01:34:03

Are equally as wicked Paul washer has said when you are choosing your friends, you had better choose them

01:34:09

Well, because when you look at your friends, you are looking in a mirror reflection of yourself

01:34:16

The internet is not neutral territory. It's not neutral before god We will all give an account and social media and internet gossip and slander does not get a pass

01:34:25

Joshua will not get a pass and neither will the myriad of self -promoting narcissists who spend their days gossiping and slandering others

01:34:32

As they stumble into the same sins committed by their idols My husband may be hated for speaking the truth, but woe to joshua chavez for trying to redefine it as tozer said

01:34:44

The devil is a better theologian than any of us and is a devil still

01:34:51

Proverbs 18 22 he who finds a wife finds a good thing Let me tell you dear friends by god's grace.

01:34:59

I found a good thing a really Good thing in my wife. Kathy Kathy was saved out of the roman catholic church as an adult

01:35:08

And within weeks of her conversion, she left the roman catholic church. That's all she had ever known

01:35:13

But she knew it was wrong and she left the roman catholic church and she just immersed herself in good sound doctrine sound theology and started

01:35:23

Reading commentaries. I mean just and I tell you kathy has never been to seminary She's never been to bible college or anything like that Uh, but I tell you what

01:35:31

I would put her up Against anyone in what she knows about scripture and her in the soundness of her doctrine theology not only in what she knows

01:35:39

But in how she applies it and I have heard her witness and share the gospel with people some of the people that are most precious to her and uh,

01:35:49

I tell you I I cannot say enough good things about my wife. Um Those of you who have been watching may have noticed that up until this point.

01:35:58

I have not addressed joshua I've talked about him and the things he's been saying but i've not addressed him going to real quickly right now joshua.

01:36:06

I know you're watching You can say whatever you want to about me I would highly recommend you utter not one syllable about my wife

01:36:18

Unless it is a she's right. I'm, sorry. I confess and repent barring that I recommend highly

01:36:26

That you utter not one syllable about my wife People who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones

01:36:34

A lot of folks watching this video right now live in some mighty brittle Glass houses say whatever you want to about me.

01:36:40

You better not about my wife so dear friends, um

01:36:46

I hope that this has helped clarify things for you. Can I definitively prove? That I have not um that I did not see those emails that joshua had the screenshots of I suppose

01:36:56

I can't I cannot definitively Prove that to you. I can't do any kind of electronic forensics or whatever it kind of stuff

01:37:03

Um, I can't prove it but I give you my word knowing that one day I will have to give an account before christ

01:37:11

For every word that comes out of my mouth and I can tell you what I fear jesus christ far more than I do joshua chavez or Jacob prash or anybody else for that matter

01:37:23

And so I can tell you with a crystal clear conscience before god that I did not see those emails.

01:37:28

I did not read them The testimony of jim osmond and mike miller I think backs that up and most importantly the testimony of my wife kathy

01:37:38

Backs that up. So, um dear friends i'm done i'm done with joshua chavez. I know he's going to have a response

01:37:45

He's he's going to find something in here to nitpick or I worded something weird or I i'm done.

01:37:51

I've wasted enough time Addressing his false accusations. Uh, I i'm not doing this for him

01:37:58

I'm doing it for you for anyone who might have had some question Because of what he's said about me some question about my integrity

01:38:05

That's why i'm doing it and for the witness of my ministry the witness of christ so I'm through with this.

01:38:14

All right. That's all I have to say about that So dear friends I do thank you for watching

01:38:20

And until our next time together, which will be a very different video much more encouraging devotional kind of matter

01:38:25

Until our next time together. May the grace of our lord. Jesus christ the love of god in the fellowship of his holy spirit