Washington Conference, JefftheGK and IFD, the Lollards

Greetings and welcome to The Dividing Line. It's three o 'clock on a Tuesday afternoon. I just landed from Dallas, Fort Worth. I do not have anything on the screen to know which camera to look at. And we came straight here from the airport so that we could do a dividing line today.

Nope. And that's what we're gonna do. But we got a lot to get to today. We left off in our, nope, nothing up there. Flying blind today. Flying blind today, huh? Okay, well, I'll just do what I do. We need to get back to our Reformation stuff.

I spoke in the Reformation last night at Tombaugh's Church in Lindale, Texas. I was with Emilio Ramos and the folks there in Frisco or Little Elm, I guess Frisco is technically where it is. Over the weekend, had a great time there.

We'll maybe talk a little bit more about that, but met a bunch of great folks. Went stargazing with Jason Lyle. Look, I'm sorry, but I'm now hooked. I am now hooked. Being able to see, it's one thing to look at a picture, to see it and to go, oh, it's right up there.

He showed us, real quick here, because we need to get to Michael Fallon, but he showed us a binary star. It was the last thing that we looked at called Albireo. And I don't even know how to describe it, but it's a binary star.

It looks like one star from here to the naked eye, but when you see it, he has a 14-inch reflector. The two stars, one is a beautiful blue and the other is just like made out of gold. And the two of them together, it was amazing.

We saw the Andromeda Galaxy, the Ring Nebula, incredible view of Saturn. You can see moons. I mean, it was, and look, Jason Lyle, Jason Lyle's IQ is like twice mine. So, which ain't saying much, but he's just a brilliant, brilliant guy.

And he's just pointing. Well, this is here and that's there. And it's just incredible. It was a blast. So we had a great time. Anyway, just got back and I've had a great, doing a lot of great times, things recently.

And just a matter of weeks ago, I was in, Ich war in Deutschland, and we were visiting the key sites in the German Reformation. And that was made available to us, made possible because of the lot, a lot of hard, hard, hard work on the part of Sovereign Alliance.

Many of you know Michael O 'Fallon as the voice of our long past cruises, and especially that one that he'll never get away from, which was the advertisement he did for our cruise to, well, Mike, would you like to, where did we go?

Do you remember? Alaska. Yes, Alaska. Oh, you did it so breathlessly. And it was just.

Well, unfortunately, I, morning. Oh, okay. Little, little raw.

Little raw on the voice. I fully understand, I fully understand. But anyway, so first of all, before we talk about what's coming up, I want, I know you've been extremely busy and lots of stuff going on and things like that, but I have been very exuberant about the experience that we had.

And I said straight, straightforward, look, folks, if you ever want to do something like that, you need to go with the people who know how to do it. And that's Sovereign Alliance, that's Michael O 'Fallon.

You have, you provided an incredible experience. And so my sincere thanks to you and to your team, Kathy and Janica, you all did a tremendous job. And I know we can't announce anything about future plans, but dude, we've got to schedule stuff because we didn't finish everything that needs to be done.

So my sincere thanks for taking us to Germany and letting us see some incredible stuff.

Broken vessels, so many years ago.

Sorry, I have a little German in me too. Well, you're doing very well at beating him up too. I may point out, so.

Yes, Germany, the desert of service. The good news, maybe sometime soon, we can't say exactly when, of course, Dr. White and I have to have that discussion. When he's not traveling, I'm not traveling, and when we're not, both are disposed.

But we might be having more fondue than we really have at this point.

Yeah, we've got to, we've got to.

Fondue and snowcaps, but anyway. Yes, yes, yes. We did have a fantastic time, and I think one of the things we always want to make sure that we do is that we try to not look at things as torrid in terms of having...

Now, we don't want to go all Henry Blackaby on everybody right now, but in essence, when you are in places where God has worked, where people have really, there was no cost to their lives, and that all, when you're in those places, when you're able to be there, that's really what brings everything alive.

And as well, we certainly want to ensure that Dr. White, and as well, Josh Bice, had all the opportunity to teach and teach, and boy, did we learn a lot this past tour with Dr. White. Some things that maybe we didn't get a chance to necessarily, the name that keeps on coming up with my team is the name Fritz Erb.

Fritz Erb, yeah. And just really what happened there, and then as I've told that story several times, people look at me like, well, why would they do that? You have to put yourself back in a situation in time, and that's maybe possibly one of the things we'll be addressing at a future conference, but that's something that maybe we need to look at in London and Scotland, but then as well, we need to look at.

Some of the unintended consequences. Well, it was a much more complex situation. Starting the first night, I said, look, we do not want to have a cartoonish view of the reformers, and so we followed through with that the whole week, and I really hope our folks got a really good, balanced education.

So my thanks to you for all of that. We certainly look forward to future things, but other things coming up. So my understanding is you wanted to let us know about what's taking place in just a few weeks.

October the 30th through November the 1st, October 31st, when we are celebrating, and what we have done is we are having a conference that is geopolitical in nature, political in science in nature, but what we've done is we've carved out a day where we are going to be spending time in, and when we say celebrating the Reformation, again, we would want to, that we don't have a cartoon of the negatives.

We'll be looking at that, and Dr. White will be speaking, and Dr. Josh Bice, and there's somebody else by the name of Summer that will be speaking. Summer, what's her name now? Summer Jaeger. Jaeger? Jaeger.

Jaeger. Jaeger. Jaeger. Jaeger Meister. So Summer Jaeger will be speaking as well. I think she's going to be speaking with something to do with intersectionality, as well as a lot of the different CRT theories, and how they are kind of becoming accepted within the gospel, and how we need to watch out that that is poison.

But that'll be happening on the 31st, and we have tried to make inexpensive opportunity for folks. This will be held, probably thought you'd never hear this on, it will be held at the Trump International Hotel, $59.

So we do hope you'll take that opportunity. You can certainly stay at any other hotel anywhere within the five to 10 mile radius, and come on in.

But we'd love for you to work. So if you've ever driven in Washington, DC, you may not want to do that.

Yeah, there's a reason why that Metro works so well, as well as Uber is a wonderful thing over there. Dr. White, what are you going to be addressing?

Well, you know, I'll tell them all what you've asked me to address, and I do what I'm asked to do. I'm just, I'm still going, I'm going to want to be free enough to try to make connections to what other people are talking about.

But you specifically have asked me to address the two Luthers, specifically how we can put together the younger Luther, and his plea for freedom, and his attitude, for example, toward the Jews in his early years, and attitude toward the peasants, and et cetera, et cetera, with the older Luther, the post -1525 Peasants' Revolt Luther, who is a little bit more of what we might call a theological curmudgeon.

And what caused that? What was that all about? And that goes back to what we were actually talking about briefly when we talked about the tour, concepts such as Constantinianism, sacralism, the Magisterial Reformation, et cetera, et cetera.

So if that sounds scary to you, please remember that last evening in East Texas, I did two full hours on the Reformation, and actually kept everybody quite interested, though having pictures to show, show and tell with Uncle Jimmy was really, really helpful, especially a couple of those shots that I took with Kathy down into Fritz Erba's cell.

That's, I imagine your pictures are probably better than my iPhone pictures, but it's sort of hard to get the, it's really hard to catch that. That's I'll get you your pictures, sir. We'll get those to you.

Yes, I know. I know, there's been consistency on your part in requesting, and I promise I'll get them. Well, but I mean, you had a real lens, and I really think a iPhone lens, you just, I don't know, it just, you can't catch depth.

And looking that far down, people are like, seriously? But anyways, I did use the photos from the trip to sort of illustrate these things, and people really found it fascinating. So that's what we'll be talking about, and really looking forward to it.

Now, is that all that's going on?

Well, that's not all. As well, we have Dr. Bice to America, and Dr. Steve Lawson that'll be addressing the heroic boldness of Martin Luther. Then we have a lunch break, and then Summer Jaeger is going to be doing, so she's not trying to step on any toes there.

No, no, she's very careful about never doing that.

Yes, but she'll be doing that at 1 .30. Then Kelly Monroe Kohlberg is gonna be addressing something that is gonna be pretty controversial, but something that you should hear. Kelly Monroe Kohlberg, of course, is the founder, the former founder of the Veritas Ivy League schools.

She'll be addressing rent and evangelical, just something that's been happening quite a bit lately. And then as well, we'll be addressing identity politics and the Marxist fraud of white privilege. Oh, sorry.

Oh boy. That's not gonna cause any problems. No, no, never. But we have a number of announcements that'll be coming up within the next 24 to a couple of confirmations that I've just spoken to before I went on air today, and we'll look forward to just leaking those out and helping you to understand what's gonna be happening.

Confirming, and those things sometimes only happen five to six days before, as they, on the other side of things, on the 30th, it will be much more of a kind of, that's our time to really, when we really wanna make sure that as well, we are inviting in, and this is something we're doing actively right now, we are inviting in folks from Congress to come, please, please, and listen to the truth of the Reformation.

If you're gonna be anyplace, we do hope you'll make it.

We can't talk about anything else I might be doing then?

Not quite yet, gotta work that out. A little pushback on the other side. We'll hopefully be able to work all those things out here with the next, we'll hope to be able to get them. So I may be hearing from you after we get done with the dividing lines, what you're saying?

That is my hope. Okay. But the Lord is in control and He is sovereign. Okay. We can always debate bow ties and things like that. All right, well, it's,.

I know you're putting a lot of work into this and it's coming up real fast, really, really fast.

It is, and folks, again, I would want, I would really ask you to take a look and see what we're doing. November 30th, 31st, November 1st, $59 at the Trump International DC. This will be all occurring in the Lincoln Library, which is an absolutely fantastic room.

We really wanna make this, and that's one of the reasons that we're holding this here, that could be accomplished by really trying to be in the center of the federal triangle. I mean, our conference is gonna be right next door and to the Department of Justice and the FBI is right across the street.

Oh. That might be a little bothersome to some people, but we're right there in the center of things. And that's the intention of why we're doing this.

Wow. Well, I have not been in Washington DC for many, many, many years. I think I was maybe seven the last time I was there. Really? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I just remember my dad, just one of the most patient men in the world, but he completely lost it while driving in Washington DC.

And I remember him just roaring in the car. He said, this place was designed by somebody that was on drugs. I can see where I wanna go, but no road goes there. So that was one of my childhood memories of one of the few things that got my dad really upset was trying to figure out how to get anywhere.

In Washington DC. So there you go. Yeah, Uber is the way to go. And I know that folks, if you're looking at it, probably most of you, when you look at the pricing for the hotel there at the Trump International DC, probably will think that's probably one of the most expensive in America.

But we do have within probably $140 a night, et cetera. We'll be able to give you an opportunity to come. Now, if you live in the DC area, please come. We want you there. Make sure that you make plans and hopefully we'll make an impact, not just in the people that are there and to.

All right. All right, well, thank you, sir. And I will look forward to hearing from you maybe later on even today. Sounds good, sir. All right, thanks. God bless. Thank you. All right, Michael Fallon, Sovereign Alliance.

And as I said, the gentleman that made it all possible for us to be in Wittenberg and all the other things that we did. Exciting, exciting stuff. Real quickly, again, my thanks to Emilio Ramos and his team there in the Dallas area, Frisco specifically.

We had Phil Johnson speaking. We had Todd Friel there. And we also had Jason Lyle speaking. And a great time. I mean, like I said, I'm sure that the recordings, I'm not sure if they're up yet, but they will be up eventually.

Red Grace Media did live streaming and things like that. Had a great time on a wide variety of topics. I discussed more Reformation issues and did the same thing at Emilio's church. Of course, as some of you saw, I tweeted out that AHA showed up at both the conference and at the church on Sunday afternoon, wasting their time doing their church repent thing.

And we just ignored them. Basically, they stand outside, people walk by, they go away, and that's sort of how that worked. But they were wasting their time out there at those two things. But we had really good turnouts last night, from Monday night thing.

I mean, Monday night's not exactly the normal night you have things at church. But I had a great time last night at when Tom introduced me. We started at 6 .30, and he had told me we're gonna go to eight.

So I was like, okay, all right. And then when he introduces me, he says we're going to 8 .30. So I'm like, oh, okay. So I've got a fair amount of time here. Well, I used it all up. And he got up and said, I actually misspoke, but hey, we went for two solid hours.

And it's pretty easy to do when you're lecturing on the Reformation, as we will pick up with later on in this program as we press forward. Now, like I said, I just got back from, from the, I mean, literally, we drove straight from the airport here.

My luggage is still, well, most of my luggage, one piece of my luggage didn't make it, but I'm standing there at the carousel and my American Airlines app goes off and says, we didn't put one of your bags on the plane.

Can we deliver it to you? So, you know, it's nice to not be the last, ever had that feeling where you're the, you're the last person watching the carousel go around and everybody else is gone. You're like, where's my bags, you know?

And so I actually had double notification because American told me first, and then I have a tracking device in my main bag and I hit it and it says, I'm in Texas, hi, you know? So I, they know where it is.

And so it'll get there eventually. And, but my bags are outside. So I haven't had time to do a lot, but what I did do, I know where we are in the Reformation material. We're gonna get to that. I know there's a bunch of things going on.

I may have time, I don't know, because I do have this next trip. It's just, it's, I'm only home for like 10 days and I'm gone again. Maybe not even 10 days, maybe eight. I don't remember. I, right now I've been traveling so much.

I've lost track, but I may have the opportunity to make some comment on the current controversy over John Piper's stuff on justification and issues like that. We'll see. I don't know, we'll find out. There's just so many things.

My Evernote file just has lots and lots of stuff in it. And on stuff like that, I want, I try to be accurate. It's real easy to do the shoot from the hip thing, but especially when you're talking about someone like a John Piper, you wanna try to be accurate in what you're saying when you address those issues.

But before we get back to the Reformation material, I guess I don't need this at the moment. Well, I will in a second. What I did as I was driving out to Lyndale, Lyndale's about an hour and 40 minutes from Dallas.

So there's some time there as we're traveling and Pastor Buck and I are talking and stuff. But one of the things we did is we invested a little bit of time. Some of you are aware of the fact that a Twitter handle, a man that, my recollection is, and I haven't bothered to go back because I don't know that it's all that relevant, but a man that I think is involved in the travel industry.

Is that what you heard? Yeah, I think that's his thing. And there's nothing wrong with being in the travel industry. Michael Fallon is. But in other words, someone who is not, as far as I can tell, trained in biblical languages, theology, church history, philosophy, logic, any of those issues.

Showed up on Twitter during, I don't know, a couple of weeks after the Brandon Howe stuff started back in May. And I had sort of thought that this stuff was maybe finally starting to go away a little bit, but it's popped back up and it's so painfully obvious that it's years old grudges on the part of certain people against large ministries.

It's really what it is. And this fellow by the name of Jeff the GK. Well, GK stands for gatekeeper. Now, I'm not sure how you become a gatekeeper. And in fact, here's the beginning of his program. Listen to how this program starts.

He had to have approved this,.

But here's how the program starts. We live in a time where the church is dominated by false teaching, the blending of truth and error. But now there's finally someone who's taking a stand.

Finally, someone who's taking a stand. Finally, no one's ever done it before. I'm just like, really? Seriously? You actually allowed someone to put, I'm finally here. It's like, okay. Yeah, no one's been doing apologetics until now, I guess.

Yeah, okay. Well, anyway. So what happened starting last week is, some of you will remember that Jeff, are we having any problems? No, looking good? Okay. That Jeff the GK showed up and he sort of became the mouthpiece for Brennan House.

And we tried to engage him. I invited him to call into the program once and he just disappeared. And then he came back and I guess he had to floss his cat's teeth or something that day or something, and wouldn't call in.

And I would write to him and I would try to reason with him logically. And there just wasn't any logic coming back. And so eventually, just the same refuted stuff over and over and over again, I got tired of it.

So I blocked him. Why do I block him? Because I don't want to see dumb stuff on my screen all day, basically. I mean, that's why I block people. I don't think I have any moral requirement to allow my screen, because I have this stuff up right now.

I don't, you know, seeing silly stuff on my screen all the time. I don't think I have any moral requirement to do that. Well, a couple of weeks ago, all of a sudden people are telling me, hey, look, look what happened.

Now he's got a radio program on Brandon House's network. Evidently, that is the way. Every new program I've seen since May, they got it because they were attacking either me or Phil Johnson of grace to you or just grace to you as a whole.

That whole thing is just so transparently, jealousy and old stuff from years ago that it's just, it's just, it's sad to observe, especially because even connecting grace to you with my dialogues with Yasir Qadhi is just absurd.

Grace to you doesn't support what I did with Yasir Qadhi. They don't use the arguments that these people do because they know that they're easily refuted and had been refuted and are unbiblical and shallow and silly and so on and so forth.

But, but they don't support, they don't even believe in doing debates. So we could have a good conversation about that, but it's just been such an obvious shallow thing for them to be attacking grace to you when grace to you wasn't a part of these things and so on and so forth.

By the way, I just happened to remember that you didn't turn on our backup recording method. And you just thought of that too, didn't you? Yeah. So, but you're hoping that the, that everything's going to work out anyways.

Let's hope those were not famous last words, as they say. Anyway, so here he's going to have a 30, a 30 minute a week program to basically, and he even said, you know, even in his tweets, if James White's fans didn't like last week, they're really not going to like this week.

It's a, you know, send him out to do, to keep the fans, the flames going and attack people and so on and so forth. And it's like, oh, okay, well, you know, so the first week was supposed to be just sort of an introduction to who he is and stuff like that.

Okay, fine. And then this week we're supposed to get into it. And, you know, like he said, if James White's fans didn't like last week, they're really going to, oh, okay, all right. And it's short enough that you can get through it very quickly, especially if you use, you know, a program that allows you to speed things up a little bit.

That always helps to decrease the pain, basically. And so we listened to it as, Tom and I listened to it as we drove out to Lindale. And there were a couple of things that were worth pointing out. But as I started marking things, I'm like, let's lay it out there and see what's going to happen.

I'll tell you right now, what's going to happen. Someday, Jeff's going to say something that Brand House doesn't like and Jeff's going to get thrown on the bus by Brand House. It's going to happen. And at that time, if Jeff ever steps back and asks himself the question, have I listened fairly to the other side?

I want there to be opportunities where the other side thoroughly responded to everything he said. Now, there wasn't anything new in this. And as we're going to see, one of the main issues, one of the main reasons I'm doing this was the attitude that Mr. Dornick, his name is Jeff Dornick, demonstrated toward anyone who would respond to him or give another perspective.

This is, to me, what this controversy has exposed when it comes to a lot of the rather harsh side of evangelicalism. And so it's a short program. I only marked a few things, but I wanted to respond to a few things.

So we're going to run through it real quick and then we need to pick up with the Lollards and Wycliffe. So this is, I'm playing at 1 .2, as I always mentioned to folks, it's a little bit faster, so we can get through a little bit quicker, but just a few comments from Jeff Dornick's program, The Gatekeeper, whatever in the world, I don't know what gate he's keeping.

I'm not sure why he thinks he can keep any gates, but anyways, let's jump into it.

So one of the defenses of James White's interfaith dialogue with the Muslim imam, Yasir Qadhi, has been, well, every single time you share your faith with a non-Christian, that's an interfaith dialogue.

No, personal evangelism is not an interfaith dialogue.

Now, people have pointed out that if you're going to use the kind, if you're going to ignore what we said in the dialogue, we are not compromising. What we believe is exactly opposite of one another on all these issues.

We're not looking for common ground in the sense of trying to come up with a compromised position. And I'm going to be looking, that was the other main thing I want to look at is the statement he's going to be making here very briefly, very shortly.

I'll expand upon that. But people were saying, well, look, if you're going to ignore the distinctions between liberal compromising interfaith dialogue and this dialogue that took place that had no intention whatsoever of coming up with any type of compromise or anything else, then you need to go all the way and recognize that every encounter is an interfaith dialogue, every witnessing thing is an interfaith dialogue.

Well, you just heard his entire comment. He just goes, when challenged on that, his response is, well, no, and that's it. No reasoning, just no. And you want to go, excuse me, Mr. Dornick, why not? Given the standards that have been used, why not?

Well, no. So we just believe what you say. You don't have to substantiate it. You don't have to give any sort, well, no. Well, no is not an argument. That's not an argument at all. So we're gonna hear this more than once, just basically accept what I say.

Well, if you're going to use authoritative arguments, then you have to provide some kind of foundation. Why should we accept your ipsedixit? Your because I say so. I don't think working in the travel industry, if that's what he did, is sufficient to substantiate that.

So it goes on.

The other defense is every single debate that James White has had with a Muslim is an interfaith dialogue. Why don't you have a problem with that? Well, because there's a difference between a debate and a dialogue.

And then he stops and moves on.

Okay, there is a difference between a debate and a dialogue. And there's a difference between the dialogue that I had with Yasir Qadhi and the liberal dialogues that you people are always pointing to as examples of compromise.

So if you accept that there's a difference between a debate and a dialogue, you just said it. What's the difference? If you allow for that, then you have to allow for the specifically enunciated distinctions that we ourselves laid out at the beginning the first night.

You can't, on the one hand, go, well, no, or there's a difference, and just believe me, and then ignore what we said in making distinctions. It doesn't work, but it, well, wait, hopefully Mr. Dornick might hear some of these things.

The historical terminology for interfaith dialogue, or IFD, is when two religious leaders come together in a public setting to compare and contrast the two religions in order to find some sort of common ground.

Okay, the historic definition, who gave this? What, what, what, no sources. We're just supposed to believe it. I'm gonna define interfaith dialogue in this way. Now, my definition of interfaith dialogue will be different than a debate, but I won't tell you where this historic source came from, and I won't give you any sources.

You just need to believe what I say. So I get to frame what interfaith dialogue is. Well, what does this historical source mean when it says common ground? Because historically, in interfaith dialogue between mainline denominations, or between, you know, going back to the beginning of the 20th century, and the real launching of liberalism, quote-unquote interfaith dialogue between Christianity and Hinduism, Buddhism, the world religious conferences, what common ground means there is always compromise.

Always compromise. So that historical definition means that that's not what Yasir Qadhi and I were doing. Historically speaking, if you understand history, I don't have any reason to believe Mr. Dornick has any knowledge of church history at all.

I've never seen any evidence of it. And if Mr. Dornick wants us to accept his word, then he needs to give us his credentials. Tell us where you've taught, when you taught, what subjects you taught. Show us what you've published.

What articles have you done? What books have you done? Show us your language training. Give us some reason to accept your ipsodixit, because that's all you're giving us, is an ipsodixit. Believe me, because I say it.

So what's the sources here? And given that historically common ground meant compromise, and we specifically eschewed that, then I guess he needs to cancel next week's show, because that means what we were doing wasn't an interfaith dialogue, right?

Well, again, this is applying logic to the issue.

Now, I am not saying what James White did with Yasir Qadhi was Chrislam.

Good. Mr. Paris, has anyone ever called the phone number here at the office and accused us on the basis of Brown House's material of practicing Chrislam?

He says more than one. Hmm, okay, all right. I am not saying that he believes that Allah is the same as our God, and that we worship the same God. I am not saying that. I want to make that distinction very, very clear, because that is the claim that is being made by James White and many of his followers.

Specifically, in, and I did not have time to cue this up, but I provided, this is why Jeff Dornick blocked me on Twitter, because I invited him to defend Brannon House's statements back in June on World View Weekend, the video still available, the transcript still available, where he specifically used my name and then talked about those who rejoice in the coalescing of the cross and the crescent.

That is a lie. It's a lie from the pit of hell. No person with a spine, a brain, and a modicum of honesty would ever say that that's something I want to do. And so we said to Mr. Dornick, will you defend what Brannon House said?

And then he blocked me. So that's what that's in reference to. So it sounds to me like in the second program, Mr. Dornick is already disagreeing with Brannon House. I think that's a good thing. You need to be able to do that.

But I just want to point out that fact. And of course, if he continues doing that, it's gonna be one of the shortest run programs in the history of Christian radio. Isn't it?

The other side is that the goal is to build bridges between the religions. And the theory is that if you build enough bridges, some of them will cross over and become Christians.

Now, that is certainly not my theory. When we talk about bridge building, we're talking about not, again, there's the liberal use of that phraseology, which is compromise, which is move toward one world religion.

Nobody who with any honesty listens to that conversation thinks that that was either of our intentions in any way, shape or form. But what we do believe is that there are massive barriers to communication.

I don't see that any of my critics care about that. I don't see it. They're trying to communicate with the Muslim community at all. But those of us that are attempting to communicate with the Muslim community recognize that there are massive barriers, language barriers, understanding barriers, traditional barriers.

And if we can break those barriers down, our belief is that the gospel of Jesus Christ, when brought to someone by the power of the Holy Spirit, brings salvation to the elect of God. And so we simply want to see, we want to release the power of the gospel by communicating it with the greatest clarity to the Muslim people.

What that involves is understanding what they believe, showing them respect, showing them kindness, showing them love. Yes, that's what you must do. And I honestly believe that many people in the side of the critics here do not believe that you should ever show Muslims respect.

Oh, as an individual maybe, but not their leaders. Well, wait a minute. So if an imam teaches the Quran, that makes him a false teacher and therefore he should not be respected. But if a Muslim man teaches his children the Quran, he's not a teacher to them and should be respected?

Exactly how well have you thought this through? That's going to come up a little bit later on when he tries to redefine terminology such as false teacher. So let's press on. Now in the Judge Not Conference.

Okay, now here's, I'm actually going to slow this. I'm going to play this normal speed, okay? This was one of the issues I, there were two primary issues I wanted to respond to. And it's a little bit dangerous because of who he's quoting.

I did not listen to JD Hall's presentation at the Judge Not Conference. So I don't know the accuracy of Jeff Dornick's attribution here because I have no reason to trust the attribution of Jeff Dornick.

He's certainly never represented me accurately. So maybe he's misrepresenting JD Hall, I don't know. But here's what's said.

Now in the Judge Not Conference, JD Hall made a very good point. Christianity has nothing in common with a false religion. So how can we compare similarities with a religion that we share nothing in common with?

Think about that for a second. If you take things out of context, you can find similarities. You can find surface level similarities. But when you actually understand what it is that they believe, not just Islam, but every single false religion, we have no similarities.

Okay? I want to make that very, very clear. We only have disagreements. I believe that is very biblical. And I commend JD Hall for making that point.

Now, again, I do not know what JD Hall said. If JD Hall said that, then JD Hall is just as wrong as Jeff Dornick. That is the kind of fundamentalistic anti-intellectual, anti-rational, anti-logical blather that I find so grossly offensive.

It is an insult to the mind that God has given to us. You say, wow, that's pretty strong. Yeah, it is. It's irrational. And I don't believe that the God who gave us minds intends us to be irrational. This is the kind of overblown, I want to get people's emotions inflamed, garbage that I've heard many times.

And as a younger person, I probably would have gravitated toward it. The problem is I actually got out into the world and started talking to people and started realizing I can't function in this tiny little, little tiny world where you just can't get out into the world.

You know, everybody looks like you and talks like you, and you can't do that. You can't take the gospel into the world when you have this kind of an attitude. Look, when we talk about similarities, when we talk about theism versus atheism, this is a necessary distinction.

If we're going to talk with atheists, we need to understand what atheism is. We may even have to explain the false concept of atheism within the church, because the Bible does that too. That's a distinction that is made.

That means we have now said that there is a group of beliefs called theism, but then we need to make further distinctions amongst these groups. And when you make distinctions, you are talking about both similarities and dissimilarities.