March 9, 2017 Show with Ron Glass on “Sickness: An Examination of the Body & the Bible”

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Sickness, Mortality, and Why We Get Sick

My dear friend for many years, Ron Glass, is back on the program not only today but tomorrow to discuss a very important and controversial issue, an issue that actually has a division in the body of Christ and how this issue is to be exegeted, interpreted, and lived out in the life of the church, but we are going to be discussing for the next two days sickness and examination of the body and the Bible, and Pastor Ron Glass is former adjunct professor of Bible Exposition at Talbot School of Theology.

He's pastor of Wading River Baptist Church in Wading River, Long Island, New York, and he's host of the River of Life radio program which is heard Saturdays at 9 30 a .m. Eastern Time and Sundays at 7 30 p .m. Eastern Time, heard globally via live streaming at eastgatebroadcasting .com.

That's eastgatebroadcasting .com, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Ron Glass. Well it's a delight to be with you again, Chris. Thank you. Yes, and this is a, as I mentioned, obviously a very important topic because everybody's life is touched by this issue, whether in their own lives personally, in their own bodies personally, or in the lives of those that they know very well and love and cherish, and many of our listeners may have lost loved ones who are near and dear to them.

I would assume that the majority of them certainly have lost someone.

In their life through an illness. So why doesn't he stop? These are very personal to Obamacare. Health is very much... Yes, and I'm going to give our listeners our email address right now if.

Anybody would like to join us on the air with a question for Pastor Ron Glass on the subject of sickness and examination of the body in the Bible. Our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, c-h-r-i-s-a-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside of the USA, and if it involves, if your question involves a personal and private matter, perhaps involving your own sickness, the sickness of somebody in your family, somebody that you love and care about, obviously if for some reason you want to remain anonymous you may do so and we will grant your request.

But otherwise, if you could, please give us at least your first name, city and state, and country of residence. And I have a whole lot to ask you, Pastor Ron, but I think that it would be very important to give a disclaimer or caveat right off the bat because since this is a deep subject, when people hear answers to certain questions they may, without hearing the rest of the story, jump to erroneous conclusions, very erroneous conclusions about the direction we're heading.

I just want to give our listeners a background about you, first of all, so they really get more of an understanding of the presuppositions and the biblical stance you are coming from. You are not a charismatic or Pentecostal, you're not in the word of faith movement in any way, shape, or form.

In fact, you would condemn the health, wealth, and prosperity gospel as being a great heresy, would you not? Yes, indeed. Yes, but obviously we do have friends and brothers and sisters in Christ who are charismatic and Pentecostal who are not of that extreme version in the word of faith movement, which would be dangerous and heretical, but I just want people to know that you are a Baptist.

I mean, they know that from the name of your congregation, Wading River Baptist Church, but in this day and age, without further description, Baptist can mean nearly anything. And so I just wanted to make sure that our listeners heard.

That caveat before we continue. Well, that's not where I'm coming, Fickle Pew. And I'm quite certain.

You would not be in that number of people that would be represented by the word of faith Pentecostals and others who would heap a mountain of guilt upon anyone who is facing or battling an illness and identify them as somebody who has automatically identified them as somebody who has unconfessed sin or somebody that lacks strength in their faith, they lack vitality in their faith, they lack trust in the promises of the Lord, and so on.

You will have people who will categorize anyone who is battling with an illness in terms such as the ones I just gave, but that is not what you are saying in this conversation, either. Am I right? Well, no, not in that way.

I think that... Great. Well, obviously, a very logical question to begin our discussion with is, why do we get sick?

Well, I think we need to go back to the beginning for the anti-human race. It also ends a sickness sentence, why we get sick, that we may not think of. This is not an Exondra 19 psalm. If there is a glorified, all of these things, if you really looked at what they're for versus for rejected, if defied by means of the word, that is a lack of promise.

Yeah. Honor your father and mother, which is the first commandment, whether you're young or whether you're increased illness, and even pre-med is a lack of numbers, is a good lesson on this. Numbers 11, not at their knees, but it never seemed like they were complaining about that.

He was not happy in our churches, complain, complain. Just going back a moment to Ephesians 6 -2, because this is a very mysterious.

Passage to me, maybe it's not to you, but it is to me, because of the fact that it seems almost proverbial rather than a guarantee. Honor your father and mother, which is the first commandment with a promise that you will have a long life on earth.

I mean, we've all heard of godly Christian parents who have children who are the apple of their eye, who are obedient, obviously never sinless on this earth, but who are remarkable in their lives, even sometimes may appear to be Christian prodigies of some kind, who demonstrate extraordinary gifts and abilities of understanding and teaching the Bible to their peers of their own age, that may astonish their parents and their pastors and their fellow church members with their godliness, and yet sometimes these children develop terminal cancer, sometimes these children do develop deadly diseases and pass away at young ages.

How do we harmonize that with this promise in Ephesians 6?

Well, as I said, there are if you want.

And before I begin with a question on how God uses sickness in our lives, we're going to go to a break right now, because I wouldn't want to have to cut you off mid-sentence. If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question for Pastor Ron Glass about sickness and the Christian, as we have this examination of the body and the Bible, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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Us in today, our guest for the full two hours and also for the full two hours tomorrow, Friday the 10th of March, is and will be Pastor Ron Glass of Wading River Baptist Church, Wading River, Long Island, New York.

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Chrisarnsen at gmail .com. If you have a question about sickness and the Christian, we already have a number of people waiting to have their questions asked and answered. But before I go to them, I would like to know,.

Pastor Ron, how does God use our sickness in our lives? Well, he does it. The one pastor for and you see, was, let me let me just say a couple things about first of all, human beings, and even as Christians aren't believers.

So illness proclaims that we are mortal tells us reminds us that Max Spurgeon put it. And that's true. It helps us reminds us that we're going to die someday. Secondly, sickness is as long as we're healthy, there's pressing in, but when we're flat on our back comes more important to us.

And in fact, many Christian met the Lord in our minds, it breaks down our natural heart and eternal realities with their mortality until spiritual health and things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen, or the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal, light, affliction, that is light in the sense of eternally, in terms of eternity, our present is eternal good.

We're not going to see this as long as we focus on our physical problems. You can see now, the life we now live in the world, eternity where we will live. All right, let me go to some of our.

Listener questions. We have Tony in Rockhill, South Carolina. And it was such a pleasure meeting this lovely Christian lady in Atlanta, Georgia, at the G3 conference. She has been listening to Iron Sharpens Iron for quite a long time and sending in questions.

And she was one of the listeners, one of the many listeners I met at Iron Sharpens Iron Radio's exhibitors booth at the G3 conference in Atlanta, Georgia. But she says, great show, Chris. I agree with your guest that there are many unhealthy habits that we should avoid.

Paul makes clear in 1 Corinthians 6 .12 that these things are not sin lawful to me, but are not good. And he warns the church to abstain from such unhealthy habits, even though they are not necessarily sinful.

However, your guests seem to say that these things defile the temple. And Christ himself makes clear in Mark 7 .18 -23 that nothing that enters the man can defile him, but that which comes out of his heart, drunkenness and gluttony are sinful because this degree of overindulgence is idolatrous.

But I don't see anything in scripture indicating unhealthy habits defiling, or are they sin, or are sin. So there's Tony agreeing and disagreeing with you, or actually asking you to clarify, I'm imagining.

The degree that we do to the mind and to the physical body. The point is that if we, and against our knowledge, are damaging other people as well, even a lot of money and a lot.

Yes, in fact, the things that God blessed the Jewish believers to finally enjoy and partake in in the new covenant, as was revealed to Peter in his vision, those things were not in and of themselves harmful things.

They would have been harmful perhaps if one were to abuse them and and partake of them in excess, but obviously God is not giving a blessing to foods that are innately harmful, so that further backs what you were saying.

Yeah, and I think you have to.

Go more narrowly than making, in that text, human heart. It comes out of our mind. I don't think Jesus is saying here that nothing that enters into the body is harmful. I can tell you, what goes into the body is not harmful.

Under normal circumstances, it's not what you eat, what you digest, because under normal physical circumstances, your body purges that stuff out, but the mind... Amen, and well, thank you very much, Tony, and keep listening to Iron Trip and.

Zarn, and keep spreading the word about the program in South Carolina and beyond. We have David in Ada, Ohio, who asks, I was just talking about the Dake's Bible with my pastor, and what he believed about healing.

However, Dake died of complications from Parkinson's disease on July 7th, 1987. Now, I have just read from Anthony Hokema about the whole man being considered in healing, not just the physical, but the psyche and the will.

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Healing? Interesting. I think that that's who have recovered, even some who've recovered when they were not a complex psychological being. Well, thank you very much, David, and keep spreading the.

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Yeah, he's in Ada, Ohio. Well, thanks a lot for the question. In fact, that brings me to a, it's actually an excellent segue that I have, because I was going to ask you, what role does the mind play in physical illness?

So that was an excellent question to lead me into.

That. Well, according to many people, many of them memorized it. Jeremiah chapter talking about because our bodies, when they suffer, they have prolonged mental and thinking about that. The problem is that sin has, I want to just, my iniquity, I am full of prolonged mental and emotional distresses.

How blessed it is, does not impute iniquity. He goes on to say, when I kept silent about my sin, my body wasted away through my groaning all day long, day and night, your hand was heavy upon me. My vitality was drained away as with the fever heat of summer.

I acknowledge my sin to you and my iniquity. I did not hide the transgressions to the Lord. The secret here is not really a matter of, it's not merely a, so much of what's an important secret to physical.

The Mind, Sin, and the Devil in Illness

Can the devil make people sick? I can recall in the book of Job that with God's permission,.

He did, but if you could respond to that. Exactly right. Job chapter, I'll show you what he's really made of. So God gave him permission, him and his wealth and so on. In the second chapter, so God gave him permission.

He said, don't take his life. You cannot take his sick. I talked to situations and they they'll blame it on the devil. In fact, could you pick.

Up right where you left off? Because we have to go to a break right now. Sure. But I, that's an easy place for me to remember of Flip Wilson's image in my mind. But if you'd like to join us on the air with a question for Pastor Ron Glass, just email us at chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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Healing, the Will to Live, and the Role of the Mind

Well, we are back now to continue our discussion with Pastor Ron Glass of Wading River Baptist Church on the subject sickness and examination of the body and the Bible. If you care to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

And before I go to any of our listeners who have submitted questions, Pastor Ron, I want you to pick up where we left off before the break on my question on whether or not the devil can make us sick.

And virtually, his purpose is this woman who for 18 years had a sick son. I think oppression is particularly a problem for those, I think this can be used in worship if it can play a role in psychosis.

And of course, you don't even have to be an abuser of psychedelic drugs to be in that category. Alcohol, when abused, can open up the doorway to all kinds of sins that an average person using the common restraint that God has given us all through his mercy, especially among Christians, that can go out the window when somebody is inebriated.

And that is why it is a well-known fact that tragically so many adulterous affairs have occurred during office Christmas parties, above all things, because of the fact that people are habitually and notoriously getting drunk at office parties and getting involved in sexual flirtation with people that they probably never would have approached that way otherwise.

And when you bring that up, I would also mention that another avenue involved is in pornography.

Well, you've mentioned here about people who give the devil an open door through something sinful they're doing in their lives and their daily activities and so on, but on the flip side of the coin, does not the devil, as he did with Job through permission from God, attack those that he views as posing the greatest threat?

People who perhaps are very biblically faithful, relentless preachers of the gospel who are in the forefront of taking a bold stand on controversial issues in our day and age, where they are not letting the world bend their opinion or their voice to give them compromise.

They are unwaveringly standing firm on things, and does not the devil also attack people like this? Even your average Christian who may be a very zealous evangelist or has a lot of responsibilities and duties that he is faithfully taking care of.

Oh, absolutely. And we can think of examples of this, but I would go back again to the 12 where he talks about the foreign context of that. I'm humble because he has supported. I said, no, my grace, the second history, you see this a number of years here in London, Riviera, because of the climate.

The years of the man in Spurge. Now, why did he do this? Number one, Spurge, which language and in people and the place. Just one example, go climates and play them disciplining.

Well, one perfect example of mighty men of valor, great men of God being attacked by Satan because of the threat they pose is I'm witnessing before my very eyes. My cohost, Reverend Buzz Taylor, has been struck with muteness, struck with being mute.

Well, there's a lot to listen to today.

Um, but, uh, so we, we already, uh, clarified the devil. The devil can make people sick with God's permission. Of course. Can he make people well?

Well, I think that if I could talk, okay.

Yes.

Okay. And, uh, Reverend Buzz Taylor does have a question.

Yes, I, I will say something. So at least I'm not here in vain, but, um, what about the, the, uh, the world also, you know, we've got, you know, the world, the flesh and the devil are three enemies, but, um, you know, the world I've heard is Satan's playground.

And, um, you know, we have, I know like a large contributing factor to, uh, sickness is things like, um, depleted soil and, uh, companies that are more concerned about, uh, selling, uh, goods than making sure that they are nutritious and, um, uh, you know, things like, um, somehow Al Gore wandered into my studio, pharmaceutical companies that, that really don't want to heal diseases because they're making too much money on them.