February 6, 2018 Show with Interviews from the 2018 G3 Conference Part 3: Ray Rhodes, David Woollin, Bobby McCreery, AND Matthew Stahl

The Purpose of Iron Sharpens Iron and Proverbs 27:17

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnton your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this sixth day of February 2018 and today we are once again going to be airing more of The interviews that I conducted on site at the g3 conference which took place in Atlanta, Georgia This past January just a month ago from the 18th through the 20th at the Georgia International Convention Center and Once again to remind you you're going to be hearing a lot of crowd chatter in the background because as I said These were interviews conducted right on site at the g3 conference and there were thousands of people literally milling around.

Even many right around the iron sharpens iron exhibitors booth, but without further ado. Here is the first of today's on-site interviews Conducted at the g3 conference this one featuring Ray Rhodes. Hope you enjoy it.

Chris Arntz in here again on site at the g3 conference in Atlanta, Georgia 2018 and Continuing the interview marathon that we've been doing all day long and Finally have the opportunity once again to have as a returning guest on iron sharpens iron radio for the first time face-to-face Ray Rhodes the pastor of Grace Community Church in Dawsonville, Georgia.

He's also an author first introduced to me by my first pastor Mike Gadosz who is currently running solid ground Christian books and has been for quite a number of years and It's been great to get to know Ray.

It's been great to get to know his co-pastor there at Grace Community Church Colonel Kevin Girard, I understand that he was Exalted From the from lieutenant colonel to colonel or will be or has he happened?

Yes, Ben. Yes, and he is a dear brother. It was spent a year with us at Grace Baptist Church in Carlisle, Pennsylvania as he was I guess it was he continuing education at the War College or what was he exactly doing at the War College in Carlisle?

Yeah. That's a good question. Vacation.

Well, I know he was definitely busy working. Yes.

Yeah, he got a degree there through the War College. He's got a number of degrees but that was the latest part of his ongoing training with Marine Corps and.

It is such a great pleasure to have you on the program. Why don't you? For our listeners who are hearing about you for the first time because we have people joining our audience. It seems every day for the first time and they may not have heard previous interviews with you.

So our list was about Grace Community Church of Dawsonville, Georgia.

Thank you, Chris. Good to be with you again today. Thank you for having on the show. Grace Community Church is Located about an hour north of Atlanta and Dawsonville, Georgia the furthest North Metro County in Georgia.

It's about 13 years old. The church that's committed to expository preaching and God-centered worship. Services are pretty simple a couple of three scripture readings prayers preaching and not a lot of bells and whistles, but a good a good sweet church, and I'm thankful to be there and You folks proclaim the doctrines of sovereign grace.

That's right. We do we're Connected with the founders movement and the Southern Baptist Convention fire the Fellowship of Independent Reformed Evangelicals. And we're we're Southern Baptist Congregation.

Yes, a very good friend of mine. Just joined fire very recently a pastor John Sampson who is the pastor of? Kings Church and Is it Tempe, Arizona. Kings Church? It's in Arizona not far from Phoenix. I can't remember if it's Tempe and I Messed up the last time I was trying to remember.

But anyway, he's a dear brother from the UK originally and Was amazingly saved out of The Word of Faith Pentecostal movement where he not only was a member of that movement He was a pastor in that movement and a TV talk show host in that movement.

He became Rescued out of that by the mercy of God and is now a reformed Baptist but Well, I want you to also now Give our listeners before we get into our discussion and before I forget to mention this later I want you to give our listeners a list of books that you've written so that they can look for those books and be blessed By them.

Okay. Thank you.

Well, our mutual friend Mike Michael Gay dash at solid ground Christian books published my first three books family worship series family worship for the Christmas season family worship for the Thanksgiving season and family worship for the Reformation season and along with that I have a few booklets on marriage and student books for students and Presently working on the biography of Susanna Spurgeon for Moody publishers to be released.

God willing in September.

Oh, so you're still working on the book still working.

I was supposed to turn in the first draft in a couple of weeks and they they really want to publish it in September and.

That's affiliated or connected to the fact that you wrote your doctoral dissertation on this. That's right.

I did my doctoral thesis on the marriage of Spurgeon, but and she's Charles and Susanna, but. A lot with their spirituality the role of Bible intake and prayer in their marriage. And by the way, I just remembered it's Peoria, Arizona.

Kings Church in Peoria, Arizona where John Sampson is a pastor. Sorry about that. Oh, that's fine. Yeah, and I want you to. You know, I've said this already with someone else who I've interviewed during the conference.

Sometimes we who are reformed when we get together. Especially if we're doing something for media in any way radio or television or what-have-you we tend to be pointing fingers. Religious movements even within Christendom outside of our own circles.

I want you to. Perhaps let our listeners know. Our reformed listeners, especially what concerns you. About things that are rising up within our own ranks with our own churches and congregations and so on.

Perhaps even seminaries that is perhaps a departure from our history and our biblical pedigree.

Yeah, I think there as you Indicate there are a lot of things to be delighted about in the reform movement in the country. Just behind us here. There's founders ministries the long work that they've done bringing reform to Southern Baptist Convention this conference Together for the gospel banner of truth.

I mean, there's so many good things happening and it's a pretty diverse group folks that United around the doctrines of grace but may have a different ecclesiology and we might not join one another's churches in some cases.

But we appreciate the love for the gospel. And so there you go together for the gospel for example. But as I as I shared with someone else this this morning I think we do have to be careful that with the popularity now of reformed theology Comes some in dangers inherent with that because we we've not been that popular Historically and now it's somewhat cool to be Reformed and there's a whole and sometimes don't you think that?

When it is cool, it is often I'm not gonna say it's every time that somebody might be from a a background that tries to connect Calvinism with coolness that it's not true Calvinism, but it's it would seem.

To be that if it if it becomes popular it must be redefined in some way because there's something inherently unpopular about. The doctrines of grace because you are telling people you can't do anything to please God in the flesh.

Salvation is all of God. Salvation has or at least coming to Christ and being born again, of course. Being justified has nothing to do with you I mean what what does have to do with you is your walk in obedience and your sanctification?

But but but how can how can Calvinism possibly be cool?

Right. Well, I think there's the danger. We typically Calvinistic people tend to gravitate towards Intellectual pursuits typically are very well read love to discuss theology and that's good. That's all good.

And sometimes and that's true with any group, but we develop into little subcultures and little groups and we we may sit around staring at our navels and thinking about our Our particular interest. And I think a lot of times when a person comes to the reform faith They are so excited about the freedom that they now have in Christ as they understand grace and joy.

I don't think I understood joy until I came to understand the doctrines of grace because it's liberating. I'm set free not by my works, but through the works and death of Jesus Christ. I'm set free and for the first time I can enjoy life under the Sun as it is Ecclesiastes when I'm tethered to God and I can eat my food I can drink I can dance I can interview on iron sharpens iron with joy all of life is for the glory of God.

I think that excitement sometime.

He who has been forgiven much loves much. That's exactly right. Yeah, and It's not such a big deal and it's not so amazing if a good person or a not-so-bad Person is quote-quote saved because obviously if a person is good, they don't need to be saved.

Anyway, but when a wretch is saved that's reason for a celebration. That's right. That's right.

Someone told me that an old Methodist preacher once said that Before you can ever get a person saved you have to first get them lost.

Yes, and I've been. I was told that by an old preacher in Mississippi back in the 1990s. He's when he found out that I was from New York. He said you guys in New York you got it easy. All you got to do is get people saved.

We got to get him lost.

That's exactly right, but but the good news is Christ saves sinners. And he saved us by grace and it's certainly. One moment of introspection. I realize even I mean I have the scripture to remind me of that.

But one moment of introspection. I know there was nothing in me. You know God did not look down through time and say well, there's a lovely young man. I think he's worthy of rescue. He'll he'll he'll go far in Kingdom work.

Just the opposite.

Just the opposite. Yeah, I was shocked one time when I was listening to a Speaker at a business Christian businessmen's luncheon and he said the reason why Jesus approached the young rich ruler Was because he said he knew that that guy had it what had what it takes to get things done.

He knew he was a mover and a shaker and somebody that could really be useful in the kingdom of God. So that's why he approached that person. I'm like, excuse me. How did you get that out of that whole?

Scenario out of that whole event in the scripture that we have recorded for us. That's called ice to Jesus.

It's really reading into the text. What's not there's.

Nothing. But being from Georgia This is kind of on the tails of what I said Faculty what you said about getting people lost before the save. There there are unique challenges, I'm sure about being a pastor in the Bible Belt as opposed to places like New York where where I'm from and Especially when you get into the inner city you have a culture that is more openly pagan perhaps.

That.

Lip service to biblical Christianity is Very rarely heard and then in the deep south and in the Bible Belt areas in the Midwest Even you have more of a respect and a reverence for things considered Christian.

But they not might not be actually genuine in their faith themselves when they have those attitudes. If you could explain what would be some unique challenges you would have in Georgia being a pastor, of course I may have a Very outdated understanding of of what it may be like Culturally in your area of Georgia anyway, and maybe perhaps it's not Something that you Witness all around you were where Christianity has become a part of Americana if you like.

I think that was a probably more true a few years ago. We're.

More.

Pronounced cultural Christianity. But something's happened to Georgia over the past number of years a lot of folks from New York.

Half of the church that I used to belong to in Long Island is living in Georgia now or.

Most in Georgia and other parts of the south. That's right. Yeah, in fact in our church there there. Oh, we're in North, Georgia, and I would say true Southerners are a minority in our congregation. Wow.

Even our mutual friend Al Yerkes and his wife, which we're delighted to receive his wife in a membership. We're struggling.

Your acceptance to work for Todd Freeland Richard radio as does my guest Ray Rhodes son-in-law.

That's exactly right.

He is Adrian rank who you see very often carrying a camera on the wretched TV Program and also involving comedy skits with real. You're right hilarious, by the way.

Yeah, Adrian is the one of the producer there and he's from Minnesota. So he moved in from Minnesota found our church met my daughter got married we have four grandchildren through Rachel and.

And.

An owl moved from. Just north I guess about 40 minutes north of New York City. To Georgia just a few months ago to work at wretched and and he attends our church as well. So now a delightful delightful.

So I think the Georgia is a very diverse state now. When I was younger, it seemed that everyone you met would profess to be a Christian. I mean just about everyone. Now not as much the case especially on our campuses.

There's not that but there's still some of that. I think probably there's more residual cultural Christianity in Georgia, so that does bring problem when you when you enter with a presumption of Salvation.

That's not based on reality. Then that's an issue as folks have a form of righteousness and you've got to chip away at that through the the law of God and. And help them to see their sin and need neediness and to see the grace of God.

But it is it is a challenge in the South. Maybe that's not so much and and you were another person and.

A Word-Centered Philosophy of Ministry at Grace Community Church

Can you tell us more about perhaps your personal? philosophy of ministry and even the philosophy of ministry of the Grace Community Church in Dawsonville, Georgia because. Just because just because of the fact that you share a Theology with Thousands of other churches across the globe who claim to be reformed doesn't mean that you're identical.

In every way to those other Churches there are different approaches as long as one is obviously faithful to What is required of us as a church and as Christians within the scriptures there? There are obviously different I hate to use the word flavors, but there are flavors there are different approaches to how They do ministry what they may emphasize in their own church and in their own pastoral.

Ministry, can you tell us something that might be unique about you personally and the congregation where you pastor in that regard, right?

Everyone would say this but we really do sincerely seek to be Driven by scripture in our worship services. And so there there's not a lot of innovation. It's Yeah, that's right. We do say we do have a couple of dramas in our church.

One is baptism and the other is the Lord's Supper. So we're not opposed to all drama but if you but we also want to have a large heartedness appreciation for Diversity among people who love Christ love the gospel love the truth.

And so but if you were to come into our worship services, you would you would you have a call to worship with scripture and prayer? You have a couple you have three songs that would be rooted in the Gospels songs.

Might be at traditional hymns or the Getty's or Bob Coughlin those, you know, Sovereign Grace.

Music.

To scripture readings an Old Testament reading a New Testament reading. Then the reading of scripture in the preaching of the word, so it's a very word centered church. So that's why one for readings of scripture in the context of the church and up often an hour-long sermon.

Which my other ministry nursing the word. I'm on the road doing retreats and conferences that's different. So I go into a church. I'm typically not going to preach an hour. But our folks are we started the church.

That's what we've been raised on our folks appreciate. Detailed exposition and so it's it's very it's very word driven and all that we do.

Susanna Spurgeon, Widows, and Ministry to the Afflicted

And What how do you see? Your writing ministry as far as we know that your latest book is about the marriage of Charles and Susanna Spurgeon. What do you see. Is the future of your writing ministry any particular focus of it that you may be spending time on or is it going to be a very diverse spectrum of things that You are going to be writing.

Yeah.

At the moment. I'm hoping I'm going to live through All the edits that will be happening in the next few months to get the biography of Susanna Spurgeon out but I want to follow the biography of her with a book on widows.

Based on her widowhood. Wow. And the things that she wrote about being a widow the loneliness that she felt I mean, it's it's tears come to my eyes reading some of her accounts of how lonely she is how much she misses Charles and Yet how she's depending on Christ through that and so I'm thinking of a book that just that will describe her feelings her experiences her needs and deduced from that ways.

That we can better minister to widows or widowers in that regard.

You know, I I think that they must exist already, but I can't even think of one book Specifically for widows right now. I mean, I know that there are books on grieving and R .C. Sproul wrote a phenomenal book called surprised by suffering and We have the book trusting in God even when life hurts by Another brother who's now in heaven.

Wow. Bridges Jeff Jeff Bridges who I had the privilege of interviewing also. And James White who's at this conference wrote grieving our path back to peace.

I can't think of one specifically for widows. I think there are a couple out there and I formed. That's a good question, I'm not sure this would have a biographical Perspective to it as well. But I think there's a real need.

I think that you know, the Bible says we True religion and undefiled before God is to visit orphans and widows in their affliction. So there's sort of an assumption that that widows are going to be facing.

Affliction of various source may not be always physical affliction. That's probably going to come as they get older but the affliction of the mind of loneliness and sadness that comes from the loss of a loved one and Are we as the church faithful to minister and as individual believers, that's.

There's lots of things that constitute true religion that's spelled out pretty clearly. We we care about orphans. We care about the widows and lonely.

Churches. No, I know you haven't written the book yet, but can. Can you share anything about Susanna's? Susanna Spurgeon's ministry to the widows that might be unique that we can learn from today. Yeah.

Interestingly, you know, it's when Charles died in 1892 Susanna was at his bedside. He was in on the French Riviera where he went often for recovery. She had never been able to travel with him because she was physically afflicted essentially homebound.

But in the province of God, she was able to make that trip. They didn't know it would be his last trip and it was a They described as a perfect three months together until the last couple of weeks. When he died and she was there at his bedside she knelt and prayed and thanked God for the gift of Spurgeon.

She had been Administering a book fund for a number of years prior to that. She Continued with that before she died. She'd given away 200 ,000 cop 200 ,000 books to poor pastors and they were they were pastors who were Seriously impoverished in the British Isles and other places and she had a heart for that but Also, so as a widow she's afflicted.

She's aging. She's lonely and yet she continues this ministry. She's writing. She writes five standalone books herself. Most of that's done as a widow and she helps to plan a church. That's a story that few people know about Susanna Spurgeon that in 1896.

She's visiting the coastal town. Just south of London. She says where's the local Baptist Chapel? The response is there's not one and She's burdened by that. And so she begins praying she goes back to London.

She prays about it. She organizes an effort. She essentially chooses their pastor and she sends him on this mission longtime friend graduate from Spurgeon's College pastors College. And he goes and starts this Baptist Chapel with her oversight her supporting it financially her helping to raise support for that.

And it's a she she had a few requirements. One debt-free. Spurgeon didn't believe in in debt. Secondly. No what she called worldly means to raise money. She wrote a little book called a protest against bazaars.

And so she was opposed to using bazaars as a fun. They were doing that in the 19th century too, yeah, yeah, they maybe they do that more up north now I don't see a lot of that here. But yeah, she she wrote though.

They I've definitely been witness to a lot of evangelical churches doing things like that. Were they trying to raise money from the world? They write support their own. Yep.

Ministry and the third thing was that she didn't want it named. She didn't want Spurgeon's name in the title likes Charles Spurgeon Baptist Chapel or something. She wanted it to be a memorial to him but not contain his name and so his sons went down and they laid the foundation stone in memorial in memory of Charles Spurgeon and There's a I got I had the opportunity to go to that church a few months ago.

And there's a beautiful memorial there to Susanna Spurgeon as well. And they they credit her with the planting and starting of that church. So it's still a functioning church. It's still evangelical Church.

Seems seems to be relatively conservative. It's a part of the Baptist Union now, but You know, there are a lot of churches the Baptist Union is a mix like the Southern Baptist Convention. They're conservative churches and non conservative churches, but it seems to be conservative evangelical the sermon I heard the day I was there was excellently delivered biblical sermon and we were edified by our tennis beautiful beautiful almost like a Middle Ages sort of building that she led them to build it still still standing still beautiful.

It is still adhering to the doctrines of sovereign grace. I don't I don't know for sure about that I'm not a hundred percent, but they seem to have a high view of God and they have a few relics of Spurgeon there one of his clocks they have a pulpit that was dedicated that was built out of Timbers from the tabernacle after it burned I believe and a few other things.

Well, I want you to Summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners before you go today. And then of course conclude with contact information for Grace Community Church of Dawsonville, Georgia.

And and thank you again, Chris. It's always good to be with you now face to face. Yeah, but always the the essential thing is Do you know Christ? You know God is a holy God. We are sinful people. We because of our sin we have we are fallen and we can't get up.

And we are. If we are going to be saved it will only be by the power and grace of God. The good news is that God has provided That grace in the person of his son the Lord Jesus Christ that God saved sinners.

I'm a sinner. Jesus died for sinners. He lived righteously. He died on the cross for sinners like us. He was buried and he was raised again. And the Bible says if we will call on the name of the Lord, it will be safe.

Will come to him humbly repenting turning from our sins trusting in Christ alone. For salvation. That God will forgive us of all of our sins He will declare us to be in a right standing with God and he will count the very righteousness of Jesus to our account and we will for the first time know what life and life abundant is and have the hope of Forgiveness.

To have the promise of forgiveness down with the hope of heaven.

Eternally. Amen. So how can our listeners? Either just find out more about your teaching or even visit the Grace Community Church of Dawsonville, Georgia. Yeah.

Well a couple of things. Grace Church Dawsonville. Dawsonville .org, that's the church website. I've got a few other websites. That's the the best way to get in touch with us. Well, I'm happy to give up my personal Email address if someone would be interested in me speaking at their church or contact me about our church.

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Praise God. Well, thank you so much pastor Ray for taking the time to be here with us today. And I look forward to your return to iron triples iron very soon. Thank you Chris. Thank you for your ministry.

You're doing you're doing God's work and we appreciate you brother. I really appreciate that comment. Thank you.

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To hear another.

Interview.

Recorded on-site at the g3 conference in Atlanta, Georgia. This one featuring David woolen who is a member of grace Emanuel Reformed Baptist Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan. And he's also on the staff of Reformation Heritage Books.

And here's that interview. I hope you enjoyed as much as I did. This is Chris Arnzen again live on-site at the g3 conference in Atlanta, Georgia Which began on the evening of Wednesday 17th of January when dr. James R. White had a debate with a Muslim apologist.

It was a Wonderful event on is the cross necessary for salvation and this is the first day of the actual conference January 18th and Right now I have with me David woolen who is the sales and marketing director for Reformation Heritage Books Which is a publishing ministry that was founded by a friend of mine who I've had on this program a number of times.

Dr Joel Beakey and the Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids, Michigan. But it's great to have you for the very first time on Iron Shepherd's iron radio. David woolen.

Thank you so much for having me. So thankful that you've given air to many of our authors over the years and Promoted many good books over that time. Yeah, well, I.

Consider it an honor to always have a working relationship with Reformation Heritage Books and. You know, I know that you've made a lot of our listeners happy when you have provided us books to give away during those interviews.

Can you tell us something about how Reformation Heritage Books started? Yeah, you mentioned dr. Joel Beakey a moment ago. It was really his vision as a young man to sell books through his denomination and.

Then around the time when he started Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary he also began a publishing ministry, so this was 1994 and.

By.

1995 we brought out our first book by Thomas Hooker poor man's thoughts morning and evening. And from there we've developed into a seminary bookstore we're in under the same roof as Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary to a point now where we have a beautiful bookstore on on site and We publish around 40 titles a year in multiple languages and At multiple levels.

We're trying to get people to read important reformed Experiential which is an important word works From children all the way up to the academic. So we we have quite a spread of books that we produce.

Yes, and has been a pleasure to see that the Reformation Heritage Books is not exclusively published books by those within the heritage reformed denomination, but even reformed Baptists like the Gentleman, I just interviewed moments ago pastor John Crotts.

Obviously there would be a a. One very important thing in common is the shared Reformation heritage that all of these.

Authors have but there is a bit of a diversity. There is diversity and there is an appropriate level of ecumenism. Where we we will publish, you know reformed Baptist heritage reformed people and PCA pastors and quite a spread on on important subjects, of course many of our titles.

From authors who have long since gone to glory. We bring back a lot of important works. We do a lot of original works particularly on the Puritans. That's that's the emphasis and I mentioned the word experiential just a moment ago or our emphasis is that we We want these to get beyond just the head to the heart and to the hand and experimental or probably more helpfully.

Experiential emphasis is is first and foremost in all that we do. Yes, and dr.

Beeky has brought that to life in many of his sermons that over the years that I've heard very vital factor in his His philosophy of ministry is experiential. Now, how did you become involved with Reformation heritage books?

Well, I was working for another reform publisher in England called evangelical press. Yes, they do some some very well-known Books as well. Probably the most well-known is ultimate questions by John Blanchard.

So I was managing the West African French and the Russian in Minsk Belarus work and moved to manage the English side and I would Travel over to the US from England nine ten times a year to major conferences just like this and would interact with authors and sell our titles and In that process got to know Reformation heritage books and specifically Joel Beeky very well personally.

We would often arrange it so that we were on booths next to each other so we could help each other out practically and I would buy Reformation heritage books for England and Europe and they would buy our titles and distribute them in the US.

And so when my role at evangelical press came to an end at the end of 2011 I Was in touch with dr. Beeky and was offered a job only 20 hours a week in Michigan with dr Beeky because my full-time Role then was to begin an MDiv master of divinity at Puritan seminary and I finished that just about 18 months ago, and now I'm working full-time for the publishing company Reformation heritage books and part-time doing things like Logistics for dr. Beeky's travel and conferences all over the world.