Blasphemous Pastor on Tik-Tok | Season 3 Episode 9

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From the Point Taken Podcast everybody, this is Boom, Bop, and Pow.
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I'm Hunter, host of this podcast, let me show you, I'm Hunter, host of this podcast, with me as always my compatriot,
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Pastor Josiah Shipley. What up everybody? Is it a joy to be here? It is a joy to be here,
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I'm happy to be here. Yeah, and then joining us in the studio today is our lovely producer,
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TikTok influencer, and provider of many, many great things,
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Christian Torres. What up? Happy to be here everybody, happy to be here. Yeah, we're really happy to have Christian with us today, unfortunately
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Anna is out but will be rejoining us soon. And it's very sad that Anna's gone because today we're going to be playing a pretty cool game.
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Oh nice. Okay, we're going to be playing a pretty cool game. I'm ready. Alright, so today this game is going to be called
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Hive Mind, okay, it's called Hive Mind. I just walked in, don't look at me, I don't know who this is. Yeah, well that's because I made it up.
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Alright, so you can see in front of you that we each have a tower, we each have spears, and you might have noticed,
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I don't know if you have noticed, that I'm wearing something particularly special, a garb, my night garb.
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All the people that were just listening to this now just looked at it. Yeah, now you're going to want to look at your screen and see that I'm wearing my night garb because that really helps with this illusion, okay?
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So this is called Hive Mind, okay, the goal of the game is to think along with the hive mind, don't be a free thinker, okay?
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The free thinkers are going to lose the game. So be like everyone else on TikTok, don't have a mind of your own, okay got it. That's exactly right, except it's just with the people in this room, you want to be part of the hive mind.
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Does that include all of our camera people? Actually in a way it does, let me explain.
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So I'm going to have our camera man, the camera man, he's a man, camera man, we got it, yes, he has a mic,
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Nick say hello to the people, hello, yeah, we did it, we did it, we have arrived.
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Yeah, we have arrived, our camera man Nick is not only going to be manning our cameras as the camera man, but will also be reading us controversial opinions, okay, now we will have our eyes closed when he reads these things and if you agree with the opinion, you're going to raise your spear, does that make sense?
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If you don't agree with the opinion, you're going to keep your spear lowered, now here's the thing. Is there a middle ground?
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No, no middle ground. But all the other thinkers in the room, like me, have to, okay, no, be man, and now here's the thing, here's the thing, if, for example, if myself and Christian both raise our spears and Pastor Josiah does not, then he is the free thinker and he loses one block on his tower.
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Oh my goodness, you lose points if you're the free thinker, that means you have a bad opinion.
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Cut your creativity, we don't need it here. You have to be honest, you have to be honest, okay, but here's the thing, here's the twist guys, we have three people back behind the cameras right now, we have
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Lowell, who is our technical engineer, we have Nicholas, who is our camera man, and we have my little brother
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Dalton, who is our photographer. Paying no attention to the man holding the microphone.
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Now each of them have one block of their own, and if they say, you know what, the free thinker was right, then they get to come in and save the free thinker with one block, they each only have one block, so they have to be very careful.
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I'm looking at you. But if two of them really are just like, no, this free thinker is right, then they can throw down both of their blocks.
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Dalton, you're the best basketball player I've ever seen. He's only ever met one.
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You lower it down to when you disagree, is that it? I came up with this game while walking through a prop closet wondering,
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I wonder if I can make a game with stuff like this. Was it the prop closet down the hall? It was. Okay, all right, let's go. And it was a good 20 minutes ago.
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Okay, so Nicholas, if you could read us the very first controversial opinion, guys, let's go ahead and close our eyes and hold our spears.
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So I don't need my microphone. Well, I mean, you do. Okay, all right. Metacommentary. Are you guys ready? Okay, let's go, Nick. Give is pronounced
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Jeff. All right, you tell us when to open our eyes. Open your eyes.
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Okay. Now, obviously, by the way that was written, you probably should have said
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GIF is pronounced. Yeah, he poisoned the well there. It was a leading question.
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We heard a lot of Nick opinion in there. I'm reading it how it's typed out. No, do we need to hand it to someone else?
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No, no, Nick's the man. Okay, so we have no free thinkers on round one.
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Thank goodness, because it's definitely pronounced GIF. Okay. Okay. Close the eyes.
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Okay. In a fight against a silverback gorilla and a grizzly bear, the silverback wins.
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Open your eyes. No. Wow. I did not think that. No contrivancy.
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I thought about it. Good job. I thought about it. Good job. I thought about it. Okay, can we talk about why? All right.
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It's tough for me. It's tough for me. You know, the opposable thumbs are a clear advantage.
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Yeah, for sure. But they didn't say where the setting would be, so my overthinking brain like, okay, but bears can climb.
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Monkeys can climb. They can swim. Can gorillas swim? I'm sure they can swim.
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I don't know why they wouldn't. They're animals. They've got to be. They're animals. What is that? Okay, but when would a—
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They can swim. A bald eagle. They can swim. They can glide over the water. That's not swimming. Okay, hold on.
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That's not swimming. I'm going to take a piece of your tower, man. Wait, you're asking me what animal doesn't swim?
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Can a mice— Oh, yeah. A mouse? A mouse, yeah. A mouse. A mouse can swim. No, it can't.
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It shorts out my computer every time. All right, next one. Yeah. I didn't like that.
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But let's just start. A grizzly bear has a significant weight advantage. I feel like they're bigger. Am I right?
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Yeah, they are. I feel like they're bigger. There's a weight advantage. There's a speed advantage. And there's like—I don't know if there's—
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The more we talk about this, I am getting a little less confident in my answer. Why is that? You think that—because,
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I mean, the silverback would probably have a strength advantage in some way. I know a grizzly can run faster, but I think a silverback is more agile side to side.
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Correct. I don't know who— And Lowell is making a clawing motion.
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I don't— Okay, I understand the claws. That was—the claws were—I didn't say that. That was the reason why I stayed here.
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But I'm wondering if the question had been said in reverse would have had the courage to raise my—I don't know. These are the things that are going to keep us up at night.
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Who can punch harder, a grizzly or— Oh, the silverback can punch harder, but the grizzly can bite and can—
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Those claws don't play. Claw, dude. I don't know. It would be a fun fight to watch, but I think the grizzly is pulling that out.
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What do you think? I'm still flabbergasted by the sentence to the man on the left that all animals can swim. You can't—
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And then he's—they can glide. Give me one animal that's—okay, not airborne, sure.
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That's in the land. That can swim? Sure. That cannot swim, you mean? Yeah, sure. Give me one that cannot swim. How well do cats swim?
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I don't know, but they swim. They don't like it. I know that. It's okay being wrong. This might be your first time. Can mosquitoes swim?
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They're airborne. That was the one parameter I— No, you didn't. Mosquitoes rest on top of the water because they don't—
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They don't break the water tension. That's not swimming. It's not swimming, for sure. He agrees with me.
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Okay, I understand. Gliding can be a form of swimming. Drop it in the comments. Is there an animal that cannot swim?
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Yes! This is— Is there an animal that cannot swim? Lice. Pastor Josiah needs some— Lice. Is the lice an animal?
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Yes! Okay, it's an animal, but it still glides. I understand the gliding argument, but we're trying to—
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You know what? I'm done. Next question, please. That's for sure. Here, ask that question. Oh, that's for sure. All right, next question.
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Next question. Eyes closed, gentlemen. The toilet paper goes under the roll.
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Open your eyes. No way! Nobody disagreed with that. That's an easy one.
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It's very easy. Okay, but I bet you if Anna was here, she would have raised that. Well, yeah, just because she's a woman.
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There you go. You heard it here first. Just kidding, just kidding. Minister, what about this church?
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Yeah, because I've heard so much controversy over where the toilet paper belongs.
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It's a silly controversy. There's no argument. It's over. That's the answer. It is over. Okay, can I interest you in this counterargument?
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Yeah. People with pets and people with children have often argued— No, I said it goes this way.
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He said—say your question again. Toilet paper goes under the roll.
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Dang, I should have raised it. Raise it. Now it's too late now. No, it's not too late. It's not too late.
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You're a free thinker. Wait, wait, wait. So like this. Okay, under means behind, where you reach under the roll.
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Okay. Oh, I disagree with that 100%. I'm so sorry. I read it backwards. Okay, hold on. You think that is how it's supposed to be? It should go over.
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It should go over. Read the question. The toilet paper goes under the roll.
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I disagree. No, it goes over. It goes over. We're stupid. That's what you said the first time. I am so, so sorry. Should go under—
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Take away his block. You guys are agreeing— Take away his block. You guys are agreeing that it should go under?
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It should go over. It should go over. Yeah, this is for agreeing, and he just said it should go under, and you disagreed that it should go under.
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No, so we did it right the first time. Yes. We apologize for the technical difficulties. All right, let's—
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People with babies and pets often argue that you need to have it under because they'll just—
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Yeah, I'm one of those. Roll it. How about convenience? I apologize for the third time. I was right the first time.
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It should go over. Yeah, it should go over. Okay, thank you. Every American— Naomi almost changed my opinion about that, my youngest, but she didn't.
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Yeah, that's a hard— It would be a hard sell. Okay. All right, eyes closed.
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All right, let's do it right this time. So you raise it, you raise the— You raise it, you say, I stand for that.
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I agree with this opinion. All right, let's go. Okay. Aliens do not exist.
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Oh, come on. There's no way. No. Yeah. There's no alien believers in here? You don't believe in aliens?
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I don't believe in aliens. You don't— You just raised your pool money. Correct. I just expected somebody here to believe in some sort of alien.
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No. No type of life outside of this planet. I agree with that.
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What if I said germs? I would— Could be— I'd leave that as a possibility. Germs?
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I'd leave it as a possibility. But did they originate on Earth? No, like, originated somewhere else, you know, like maybe never even make it to Earth, but are there types of pathogens or germs?
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I doubt it, but I'd leave it as a possibility. Yeah. It is a possibility, but— We should cover aliens one day.
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Do it. Which type of aliens? Are we talking about intelligent aliens? Bacterial life?
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Any— Plants? Because I feel like there's going to be a lot of— Go ahead, Nick. We may or may not have a viewer question about that.
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About aliens? Oh. Throw it out there. Or do we want to save it? How big of a question is it?
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It's just going to be general. General who? Sal. Zod.
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General Sal. General Zod is an alien. General Zod is an alien. Never mind.
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It's something somewhere, but not about aliens. Thank you, Cameraman Nick. Camera boy!
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Next question. Next question. All right, next one. Mm -hmm.
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Yep. I agree. You didn't raise your— I raised my screen to this. Water is wet.
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Oh. All right, give us a little extra time on this one. We need no extra time. Decision's been made. It's— Water is wet.
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Okay. I'm ready when you guys are. I'm ready. Open your eyes. Thank you, gentlemen.
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Are you raising it or not? Does this look like this? No. We all agreed.
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That one, I'm so surprised nobody thought water was wet. We're just intellectuals here.
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Hold on. Oh! Oh! Oh! Lowell is coming in.
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You said water's wet. But he came because we all were the same. You say water's wet? Give him the mic. Ladies and gentlemen, if we define water as, like, the liquid form of H2O, that is wet.
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Because water can be in dry forms, or I should say H2O can be in dry forms, in dry steam, or in ice.
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So it's how you define the word water. Is that the liquid form, or are you just talking H2O in general? I got a
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C -minus in chemistry. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so just clarification. When we have steam, that is still
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H2O? Right. So is ice. Ice is the solid form H2O. Steam is the gaseous form.
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And then what we say water— I think Lowell might have just changed my mind. The question is, we all agree water makes other things wet.
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We all agree with that. That's not a question. The question is, is water itself wet, is the question.
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But what is wet? It's a liquid. Is this a philosophical question or a scientific question?
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What does wet mean? Wetness is a quality which liquid water possesses.
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You know what? He says it in such a way— You're very convincing. He just says it in such a way that, like, everything in me just says, agree with him.
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He says it in such a way where you're like, man, am I stupid? Am I stupid? He says, like, this guy is just correct.
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Bill Nye has been pretty quiet since Lowell walked up. I'm still pretty confident. I think I'm going to switch my answer.
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I'm not. I think I'm going to switch my answer. I morally and ethically can't. I'm sorry. I mean, like, it's a little too late.
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Sure. Because I wasn't a free thinker, and maybe I should have been. Well, it doesn't count now.
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It doesn't count now. Honorable mention. But, yeah, water can't be wet now unless somebody can disprove me.
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Okay, Nick. Christian's not closing his eyes. Christian, close your eyes. I want to know that.
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All four of us. The person in the middle seat on an airplane should get both armrests.
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Open your eyes. Yeah! 100%, dude.
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No, incorrect. Incorrect? No, incorrect. He meant that is correct, that is incorrect.
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Did I screw up again? Should the person in the middle get both armrests, yes or no? No. Okay, then you should have kept yours down.
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Man, I'm going to learn this game eventually. I promise you I am. All right, free thinker! We have a free thinker takeaway.
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This is stupid. Y 'all can't be serious. You think the person in the middle. I understand
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I messed up the game. It's actually pretty irrelevant what we think. It's actually pretty irrelevant. You were the free thinker whether we were right or wrong.
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All right, so do I get to defend my answer? Sure, go ahead. Free thinker. The person in the middle seat who paid the same price should get both armrests.
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You both can't believe this. Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Because this is courtesy. So think about this.
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You have three seats. A lot of the time you do have to sit in the middle between people you don't know.
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Most people who travel are just like traveling alone. Yeah, we all know how airplanes work. Right. So you have one person who gets the window seat and gets control therefore of the visor and whether or not the sun enters through there and gets to see outside.
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Yeah, I get it. You have the person in the aisle seat who not only gets to get out first, but can have the easiest access to the bathroom and all of that.
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And stretch. Right. The person in the middle is just the most unfortunate person.
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The only thing that would make sense is to let them have both armrests because each other person will still be left with an armrest.
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The side of the plane is an armrest? There's still an armrest between you and the side of the plane.
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Is that right? Yeah. Wait a minute. I fly window seat every time I fly.
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Are there four armrests for every three seats? One, two. Okay, so.
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Am I mathematically correct? Yeah, because he's saying there's one on the outside of the aisle. One, two, three, four, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, nowadays, depending on who you fly, each seat might have two armrests.
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You know what? We're talking movie theater seat rules kind of almost. When he said the question was get both armrests.
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Yeah. That made it sound as if there was only two. But once you said that, there are four. Yeah. But Nick read it wrong again.
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So. All right. No, you're a free thinker. I'm sorry. I am a free thinker, but I was wrong.
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And I'm okay to admit that. I'm still going to win the game. Keep going. I'm not the one who wrote these questions down. And zero people asked your opinion. Let's go. Too far.
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Sorry. Okay. I apologize. Next question. Pineapple belongs on pizza.
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Open your eyes. Yes. Wow. Yes. I see. I actually really hate the taste of pineapple on pizza, but I stand with the fact that pizza is one of those things.
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You stand that we have the right. Wait. Everything. Like anything can be put on pizza.
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Anything. Well, I'm talking about pineapple because it's just a ridiculous connotation.
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Who decided to put pineapple on pizza? But I was just like, wait a minute. Pizza is one of those things.
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You can put lots of things on. All inclusive. It's kind of all inclusive. I've seen people put some shocking things on pizza.
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So I got a question for you. What's up? Can a burrito have pineapples? That bothers me.
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Why? It's the same concept. No, it's not. No. No, it's not. It's not.
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Okay. So pizza is Italian. It's not the same concept. Pineapple is kind of. Are you being racist? Why are we letting this guy have an opinion?
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Are you being racist? It's Mexican. Mexicans don't deserve pineapple. If that's racist, then okay. You believe burritos originated in Mexico?
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Or is that a joke? We digress. Do pineapples. Do pineapples. Do pineapples belong on burritos?
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If not, then why do they belong on pizza? I can answer that. Because pizza has a base savory, salty flavor.
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The tomato paste and the other meat and stuff. The pineapple gives a sweet and sour. It's kind of a sweet and sour savory thing.
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Whereas beans and rice are not a combination. Dude, it just would not work. That was so easily refuted.
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I don't even want to give him a response. You also think about it. Pizza is an
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Italian food. And then you have pineapple, which is more of a tropical thing.
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And fruit. And those mix very well and is more natural. Now I'm not going to say that I enjoy the taste.
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But dude, with a burrito? Be honest with me.
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Have you ever done that? No, but I've done it with a taco. You put pineapple on a taco? Yes. It was part of the...
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I forgot what it was called. It was like a tropical taco. Maybe this is something I'm too white to understand. You know what?
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Sure. Perhaps. Perhaps. Would you ever put pineapple on a taco? I might.
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What do I put on tacos? Tacos? Hold on. What's the difference between a taco and a burrito? Beans. Corn.
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Lime. Cheese. I guess a fresco. Black olives.
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Hot sauce. Avocados. Do I put...
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What was it she put? It wasn't pineapple. It was something else that was kind of sour that I put on. If you put pineapple on a taco, why wouldn't you do it with a burrito?
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Hold on. It wasn't pineapple. What was it? What's that taste like? Jalapenos? What's that other thing
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I put on there that's kind of sweet? Ratatouille, this thing. I can't remember. Open up your mind.
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Keep it open. I'm going to say no on that one, but I feel like everybody has a right to put pineapple on pizza.
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This is American. No peppers. Though I can't stand with it, I stand for it.
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Sour cream. I don't support you, but I support your right. Yeah. Man, what is that other thing that you put on a taco?
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Drop it in the comments. Agree or disagree. What's the next question? There is not a problem with kissing with your eyes open.
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Okay, just remember, if you raise your spear, you agree that there's no problem with doing that.
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Open your eyes. The married person! The free thinker! To be fair, you might change your mind after you get married.
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And you let me know afterwards. I don't know about that, man. I'm game either way.
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He said, listen, so long as it's happening, man. You got to keep your eyes open, especially when you have a four -year -old and a two -year -old.
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You got to keep your eyes open all the time. Oh, so yours is more of a prey perspective. You're watching for predators.
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You're trying to stay safe. I don't know if that's how it developed, but now that I'm thinking about it, I'm game either way.
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Why do your eyes have to be closed? It's weird, man. No, you got to give me an answer besides it's weird. Well, as a person who's never kissed a girl, let me just discuss that.
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I feel like it'd be more intimate. Then why do you deserve to put that down? Wait a minute.
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Why are you poopooing on my opinion? He can still have an opinion. I didn't poopoo on your opinion. I just disagreed with your opinion.
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Okay, keep going. I poopooed on the opinion. So you're telling me I have to lose another one of these things now?
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You do, because you're the free thinker. Isn't it more intimate? Hey, people, please tell me. Is it more intimate to close and to experience what's going on rather than just eye contact?
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Oh my God, eye contact. Wait a minute. How would closing one of your five senses make it more intimate?
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Explain and experience. Explain that. Think about it like this. You have distraction.
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You have no distraction. Correct. I think that's what he's trying to say.
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But even then, just socially, that would make me so uncomfortable.
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Socially? If I was going in for a kiss and she was like... The funniest thing in the world is two people with their eyes open just going at it.
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You're like, wait a minute. What are they thinking? What are you thinking? What are you looking at?
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What are you looking at? You keep your eyes open.
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What are you looking at? I'm like, man, your ear today, babe. You got some eye boogers, darling.
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It's like, you need to trim your ear hair, huh? That is so cringy.
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Oh, no. More power to you. I like how you said that.
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You said, I'm down for it, either way. And that I can respect. I will no longer poop on the opinion.
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If you're asking me what I'm thinking, by the way, I'm still thinking of animals that can't swim. Next question. Oh, booyah.
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Next question. So far... I like that one. So far, I'm losing. So far, there's a pretty strong hive mind on the left side and a couple free thinkers over here.
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And nobody has jumped in to save Pastor Josiah. Just like, we'll just throw that one out there. That's a lost cause.
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Okay. He said, okay, we're just going to crap on them. Their eyes aren't closed.
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Mine are. Alright, let's go. Beards make men more attractive. Somebody open your eyes.
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Now, look. Hey. Now, look. I hesitated. Now, we did just ask three bearded men. They're...
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Okay. The question was, beards make men more attractive.
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In general. Right. In general. In general. There are exceptions to that rule. Sure. Even exceptions...
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Tom Holland. Even exceptions not that far away. But... Isn't that Spider -Man?
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Yeah, that's Spider -Man. I think he'd look super weird with a beard. Timothee Chalamet? Is that his name? Who's that?
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I don't know who that is. Oh. Tom Holland would look weird with a beard. His facial structure isn't...
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His entire gimmick is being 12. Because he's a 28 -year -old... He's a 30 -year -old dude trying to play a 16 -year -old boy on the screen.
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His whole gimmick is looking 16. He's 15. That's a bit in the movie. I'm 15. Oh yeah, really?
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Well, there's like no time jump in the movies when there is supposed to be time jumps. So, yeah. Nice try.
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He is 15. Thank you. According to... Anyway. What were you saying, Patrick? He's in junior year every year, it seems like.
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It's incredible. It's like, does he keep failing? He's busy, man. He's busy.
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In general... Oh! I'm so glad you said that. I got an early birthday gift from my mother -in -law yesterday.
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And it was a beard comb. Nice. Dude, I should have brought it today. It has a quote from Charles Spurgeon on it, which says,
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Beards are natural, manly, and scriptural. Charles Spurgeon. That's a real quote.
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Is that a doctrine? Scriptural. So, I think... It's like those countries that you were talking about in an earlier podcast where you have to have a beard or else you're not a man.
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I think Pastor Spurgeon's point would be that the
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Romans plucked out Jesus' beard as part of his punishment for his crucifixion. Torture. Oh, yeah. You can't pluck out something that's not there.
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So, I think he's saying... Amen. Wow. Amen. So, uh... You heard it here first, folks.
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So, Dalton, repent. What are you doing? Dude, I'm so glad Nick didn't turn the camera around so fast.
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His face... It was so hurt. His face was so... It was like, dude, I'm sitting here taking pictures for my camera.
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I'm not doing anything wrong. Would they even allow you to have a beard at your school? No. Yeah. Really? They've told him to shave.
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When I went to school, you couldn't because you were supposed to look, quote -unquote, professional. By professional, they mean business.
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That's why we had to wear the dress shirt. Well, see, his is a very, very, very religious school. Mine was, too. Which I do want to say that was one of the best days of my life when they told me to shave.
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Yeah. I agree with that. I have to shave. He said, sorry, guys, I got to leave class. I got to go shave in the office, you know.
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Another woman. Gotta go to the office. Hey, sorry I clogged the sink with all my facial hair. Yeah, sorry about that, mom.
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You remember, it's in SpongeBob where he grows, this is a real mustache. He flexes, he flexes and he grows it.
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Yeah. All right. Yeah, that was Dalton. Yep. That's awesome. All right, next question.
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Cheerleading is not a sport. If you agree, raise your spear.
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Open your eyes. I can defend this. He knew he was the free speed thinker.
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Come on. Come here, Dalton. Don't show your beard. Don't show your beard. Here's the most free thinker. Look at that. Boom. Oh.
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I think if the two of you. Chauvinism. It came from a hairless man. I think if the two of you are honest, you will at least say
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I'm about to make a good case. Hold on. Hold on. Can we pan the camera and see the green.
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Right there. The green block that has saved. Green means go. Now, just remember, we do have to remove the original.
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What are you doing? The original that you lost and replace it. What are you? You still lost it. He saved me. Yes, he did.
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On camera. There's no change. No, no, no. You just got it backwards. No, no, no. You lost a block for being the free thinker.
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Then Dalton just resurrected a block. Are you being a free thinker again? You didn't gain a point from this. You didn't lose one.
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Free thinkers. Okay. Got it. Okay. Okay. I think if the two of you are honest, you will say, you know what,
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Josiah? That's a good point. Okay. I want to get it. The problem here is people think with emotion and not logic here because they think, oh, cheerleading is hard or difficult or competition, but the question wasn't is cheerleading hard, difficult, or competition.
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The question was, is it a sport? I have a definition of a sport that I think is working. I'm willing to hear this. Okay. Again, whenever someone says, just real quick, a sport is not something that's difficult.
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Brain surgery is difficult. It's not a sport. Sure. A sport is not just a competition. That's not.
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That is not. He came locked and loaded for this one. Well, I've been through this. I'll give you other things. I'll give you other things that I think.
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Let me give you a definition first. A sport, a sport is a competition where somebody or somebodies are actively trying to stop you from doing what you're doing.
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So golf is an activity and a competition that requires great skill, but not a sport.
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Hot take. Track is a skilled competition of great athleticism, but it is a race.
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It is a race. It is a competition, not a sport. Now, say what you said about golf again and see if Dalton takes his block back.
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It's not an insult. Right. It's not an insult. I am telling you that those people are skilled, competitive.
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I'm just saying by definition of a sport being someone else is trying to stop you from doing what you're doing.
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There's more skill in golf than there is in some sports. This isn't a question of skill. It's not even a question of athleticism, though, in that example, but it's not even a question of that.
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It's an example of sport. So track, I'll show you how consistent
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I am. Okay. Track is a race, a competition, a skilled competition, not a sport.
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Someone's not actively trying to stop you from doing what you're doing. So baseball, barely because of the pitcher hitter combination.
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Football, basketball, rugby, soccer. Someone's actively trying to stop you from doing what you're doing.
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So about that, where did the definition come from? Where did the resistance come from? So hold on. So hold on. Could it technically be that in a competition or a fierce competition, the other people doing better or having different strategies or doing other things, they are also not only trying to win, but trying to stop you from doing what you're doing, which is trying to score the most amount of points.
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Because in golf, they are not allowed to actively stop. The wind is more of an opponent to you than the other person.
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Interesting. Right? So in golf, if somebody were allowed to take out a club and beam you in the shin, then
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That's a sport. They're trying to stop you from doing what you're doing. For sure. Now, you may disagree, but I think
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I've given the most consistent position, and I think if both of you tried, you would not be able to give a consistent. Where did you get your definition of sport?
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That's mine. I made it up. Okay. You made it up. Yes. There it is. Well, hold on. Hold on.
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But I'm consistent with myself. I'm consistent with myself. I don't make exceptions. If it's consistent, it's true.
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Okay. But that doesn't necessarily make it true. It just makes it respectable. All right. If we were to pan over and ask you, brother
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Christian, for a definition of sport, we all know you would not be able to provide a consistent one. Not at this moment. Okay. So your vote is invalid.
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Now, my phone's over there. I would Google and see. No. Because The question was asked of you now, and you answered now, which means you had an idea of sport in your brain.
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Well, because cheerleading is called a competition sport. Okay. Koala bears are called bears.
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Grape nuts are called grapes. Affordable Care Act wasn't affordable. I can go through it just because it's in the name.
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But when you come up with your own definition and say, well, because it's consistent, therefore it is right. By you answering a question.
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Then I can say, hey, an atheist just came by and said, yeah, my definition of God is the things that make me happy, and I'm consistent with that, therefore
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I'm right. Here's why. Okay. First off, they can't be consistent with that. That's a fact. Okay. Secondly, you answered a question based off a definition that you don't have, but you had in the air, in your conscience, a semi -definition in your head that now you're questioning.
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I was willing to accept your definition until I heard that you came up with it. Then you were willing to accept my definition.
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Because I thought it came from a source. Those sources are made of people who came up with it, too.
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Is it peer -reviewed? Yes. What? Yeah, we acknowledge that.
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Okay. Thank you, and I still have not heard a positive affirmation of what a sport is if I'm wrong.
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Free thinkers. Dude, these free thinkers, man. Why are you using them in plural form? It's just me. This is you and your kind, man.
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Man, someone need some butter over here? Because they're definitely bitter. No, I would love to take out a real definition.
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A real definition has to come from a different person, not me. Okay, all I'm saying is I can't just take any word
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I want and throw a definition on it. Agreed. Then you say, but I'm consistent with mine.
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Mine is a working definition in the sense that definitions have to be consistent.
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I don't think... Would you consider it a game, then, instead of a sport? Which one?
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Cheerleading. Okay, there's two types of cheerleading, right? There's a competitive dance one, and then there's the cheering on the team one, right?
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Yeah. Agreed? I mean, they both have the same function, really, but yeah. No, because you have the ones who go to competitions for...
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They're not always the same, are they? Well, no, I just mean when they go to the competition, they do the stuff that they would do on the field if they had that type of space.
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Half gymnastics, half... Yeah, sure. So, I would say that's a competition. I probably wouldn't call it a game because...
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Well, I was just thinking of Olympic games. Yeah. You know, and stuff like we wouldn't, in that sense, call javelin throwing a sport, but it's called an
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Olympic game. Yeah, I'm good with that. I can settle with that. And it's a skilled competition.
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Yeah. No disrespect for our cheerleaders. No, something being difficult doesn't make it a sport.
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Okay. Something being competitive doesn't make it a sport. Okay. I can agree. So, you need the resistant aspects. I believe so.
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I believe that's what defines, in our brain, the difference. I like that, though. Interesting opinion. I do respect that opinion.
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But it is not verified on Twitter. So, I'm being punished for not going along with the masses.
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Got it. Yeah. You're the free thinker. Today, we were supposed to be part of the hive mind. Tic -Tac and all that stuff.
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Yeah, Tic -Tac. Yeah. Boomer. I bet they would disagree with me because that's what they've been trained to do.
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We just got canceled. Yeah. We just got canceled. We'll be okay. All the golfers will leave. All the golfers just unfollowed.
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We'll be okay. All right. Dana and Anna will come back and our views will go up again. Agreed. Agreed. All right.
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We're going to do another question. Let's do another question. All right. Yeah. I agree.
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Clowns are funny. Open your eyes.
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Get rid of that. Wow. Get rid of it. Get rid of it. Kill it. Murder it. Wow. Gone. You guys are big clown fans.
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No. I think I'm looking at a couple clowns myself. No, I'm just kidding. Oh. Let me get this straight.
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Oh. Let me get this straight. You free think one single time and are saved. I free think four times.
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I free. I free. I'm free thinking. Look. It's Mommy and Daddy.
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It's Mommy, Daddy, and the kids. Congratulations. Y 'all have taught me to take things at face value and I won't do it.
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So, Hunter. I'm sorry. You think clowns are funny, man. Hunter, you think clowns are not funny? Are you thinking like it?
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Are you thinking like. No. I'm just thinking of like I go to anything that has a clown in it. Have you ever been to a circus?
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I have. Okay. Did they make you laugh? No. Little tiny car and running around and jumping on the trampoline?
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I mean like I felt like they really wanted me to laugh so much that I was uncomfortable. Did you think they were jovial?
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I thought they seemed happy with themselves. Okay. But then the older that I get, I feel like the less happy they are when they leave.
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Has Joker ever made you laugh? No. Okay. He has me. Well, I mean like.
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When he presses in Dark Knight. I can think of like. Yeah. Okay. In Dark Knight. Yeah. When he's pressing the button and it's not working and then he goes.
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Ha. Yeah. Exactly. I'm going to make this disappear. Disappear. Yeah. I mean. That was a good accent. Thank you.
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Accent. Well, I mean. Yeah. Imitation. Impression. Impression. Who said impression? Lowell's first time he's been right today.
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Of course it was Lowell. First time he's been right today. No. Lowell's never been wrong. I'm just going to say. Okay. The over the top comedy of you know painting and getting all dressed up in the flashy with the big old boots and stuff.
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Every now and again they'll have like these pranks. Like if they can pull a prank on you. I'll be like.
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Dude. I love it when people get pranked. But. Just in general. I don't look at a clown and say.
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I'm prepared to laugh. My jokes were bad. Yeah. I actually have a different point. I think that they are funny.
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Not in that the content itself. It's funny. But their attempt to be funny is funny.
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Like it's so big. I agree with. I can think of someone who does jokes that way. If they just their their act is not funny.
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Yeah. But it is their. Their actions still bring you laughter. Yes. It's like.
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Oh, you're trying. It's a pity. Oh, I see. It's a pity laugh. I think it's a social thing.
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It's just like. I see them trying and wanting this so bad. And I'm just like. I feel uncomfortable where I need to be like.
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You know what I'm saying? I'm laughing at the situation. But at the same time. I'm just like. No. They're talking about me right now. I've got a free think right now.
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Oh. Next question. Do we have a clown with us? Okay. We'll do one more. And then we'll react to a video.
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Yes, sir. Public displays of affection should be discouraged.
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Open your eyes. That one's an unfair question. It depends on what they mean. Like, when my little girl runs up to me.
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And I give her a hug. When I see my wife and I give her a kiss. Like, what do you mean? What's the difference? Could we be more specific and then do another vote?
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Well, first off, take off his thing. Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, no, no. There's no wait a minute. We should define our terms.
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Because I agree. We've been shooting first and asking questions later. And then we'll. He's so mad.
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Hold on. I might not have free thought. We got to figure this out. I would require the question to be rephrased.
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So, we do this again. Let's talk about it. Okay. Let's talk about it. For sure. PDA. Yeah, let's talk about it when it's your.
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You know. That's fair. Can we. Okay. Contingency. Let's take it off. Let's take it off. Let's not take it off. I want you to take it off.
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I don't want to take it off. I just want to keep it on the surface. Hey, boy. It's not completely off.
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All right. But it's easily removable. All right.
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Okay. So, PDA. Okay. When PDA is mentioned, the first thing we're going to think is just public display of affection between like a couple.
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Okay. But public display of affection. Now, there's always. There's always, dude.
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Just like with that question earlier. Like, to what extent. There's exceptions to the rules. Like, with the thing with the beard.
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You know, if Tom Holland came out with a beard, I would be upset because like that's a ten -year -old with a beard. And that makes me uncomfortable.
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That's bustling. But I'm just saying. I'm just saying like if people are just like going crazy in public, no.
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That should be discouraged. Yes, it should be discouraged. Yeah. Yeah. But I raised my. That's why I hesitated.
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And roll the clip. That's why I hesitated. Because. Play it back. It depends on what you mean by public display of affection.
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I mean, when your dog runs up to you. Oh. So, let's define the line. Yeah. Let's do it now.
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Let's define the line. Okay. Yeah. Kissing with your eyes open. That is so wrong. You know what?
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Hunter. Christian one day. Hello. One day. You'll understand.
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You know what? I hope that your opinion might or might not change. I mean. It hasn't. On the day it does,
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I want you to walk back in this room. I want you to grab that block. Right there. I'm just saying. I kiss my fiance every time
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I see her. Right there. And if she was just like, hey, let's keep our eyes open when we kiss today. No.
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I'd say, what? It's like a. I'd say, look over there. No. But I'm just saying like, okay.
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PDA. Just like you're out with your wife. You stop on a park bench and you kiss a little.
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What is a little? Just a little. Are we talking about like pecs? Because people will come up. No. People come up and be like.
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Not doing that. Not doing that. That's unprofessional. That's wrong. I think there's definitely a line that could. But there's a line.
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Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. You're not allowing for anything. You're not even allowed to hold hands. You're not even allowing for smiling.
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You're not even allowing for, hey, I love you. That's a public display of affection. You're the one. I dare someone to look me in the eye and say that's not a public display of affection.
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You're the one who said. Hey, can you grab that block and send it right there? It should be discouraged. You said discourage
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PDA. Right. It depends on what we mean. All I'm seeing is that I have more blocks than you have.
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Next question. I thought we were going to react. I thought we were going to react to it. Let's hurry up. Relax. React. Yeah. I win.
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I win. This is golf. You want fewer points. I win. Okay. So just for clarification, we have our winner is our guest,
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Christian. The second place, your host. He has two. Sir Hunter of the
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Knighthood of Witten. And then finally. I didn't know we had such a radical over here.
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Free thinker. There's a cyborg triangle right there. Hit it. That's interesting. It's a play button. They'll get it in a minute.
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Let's see it. Yes, sir. This is Rosetta. She came in tonight with pain all over her body. She even had surgery on her vocal cords because there was some blockage.
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But that pain is leaving her body. And she believes tonight God has healed her vocal cords. And she's believing that she can sing tonight.
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What happened to you? Well, I've got a very long story.
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Touch. Don't put it on me.
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That means you're rejoicing because you're ready to go. Did you understand?
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There's so many things. Would you mind if I narrate it?
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Because I provided it. Go ahead. So you have this woman who is in her. She injured her vocal cords. She walks up to what seems to be a.
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I don't want to say pastor because I don't want to. Yeah. To a healer. A healer. Let's keep it minimal.
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Someone who's pretending to be a pastor. Sure. For sure. Some sort of spiritual leader who has. A wolf in sheep's clothing who can't swim.
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Yes. This woman came up. She said, hey, you know. I can't swim. I'm about to. I'm about to tell you my situation.
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It's a long story. The healer blows in her face because that's apparently in scripture. And she like.
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She passes out. Like, yeah, she's just like, oh, okay. Okay. I didn't see that. And the joke becomes.
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None of us wanted to hear that. You should be thanking me for ending like y 'all are laughing because you wanted to go.
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Oh, okay. I understand. So she was about to give a long story about God's healing and provision. Yeah. Life.
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And he breathed his spirit, the Holy Spirit on her or whatever. And she passed out. Knock her out.
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Okay. All right. So what's the question? It's pretty straightforward.
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We're just we're just reacting here. Are we asking what level of blasphemy that was or. I would say there's so many levels to it.
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There are just so many levels. I mean, it's like it was. I expect the videos that you pick are increasingly more blasphemous.
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Yeah. Hey, brought to you by tick tock. So. Okay. So was that in America?
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Do we know? I can't have to assume. But they didn't have accents. Okay. So the the the man with the microphone is supposed to be a healer.
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Sure. Okay. There are plenty. Okay. I mean, he's the one who invited her.
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I mean, they were inviting her up and saying, like, oh, yeah, she's got she's wanting to share this.
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She believes that she's been healed. Then she starts singing. And this was this was a church. This was a church.
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Yes, it was. It looked like a church building. A church. There's a lot of people is based on God's word. Something resembling a church that should resemble that was made to resemble.
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So what passage of Scripture are they deriving this form of worship to where when you want to not talk, you breathe the
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Holy Spirit that you possess to make them pass out. I'm asking you because you chose the video. By the way,
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Christian doesn't make sure Christian does not endorse. Yeah. So I chose the video for them to answer for us just to react to you.
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All right, brother Hunter. What's your reaction, bro? My reaction is it reminds me of all the videos of these other church places where the pastor would just be like he'd be up on stage and he would say, get ready to feel the
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Holy Spirit. And he'd like turn around and he'd be like like this and he'd push out. I'd say the whole congregation went here.
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Why don't I say the thing that no one else wants to say? Yeah. I'll do that real quick. Yeah. Point will be taken on this one.
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Okay. Yeah, I'll look right there. All right. So since the
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Bible tells us in the New Testament church, how we're supposed to go about when someone asks for healing, the
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Bible says, unlike the ministry of the apostles, which God gave special privilege to that we are supposed to bring them forward.
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The elders are supposed to anoint them with oil and pray to God to heal them. That's what the Bible says, which is what we do.
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So all of these, quote, unquote, healing ministries where pastors will actually take on the title of healer.
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That's an interesting title that I don't find in the New Testament, by the way. And supposedly that God's gift of healing is a genie in the bottle that they can relinquish whenever they want.
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Do they live in a city that has a children's hospital? And if so, why does it exist? Next step.
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Why did you close down during COVID? I am still waiting to answer that. If you have the power of God to distribute healing whenever you want and you can make cripples walk again, a lot of stuff.
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Tell me why you closed down for the flu. If you can knock people out by blowing on them, why aren't you in, like, the police force or something?
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I mean, I mean, freeze. But I'm going to go back to the other thing for just a moment.
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Those churches were among the first to close down for three years because of COVID.
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Yeah, but they can heal your vocal. Right. Yeah. That's incredible to me. I'll wait and answer for that one, by the way.
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Yeah. I'm just wondering, like, I feel like you're wasting your calling. If you can sit and breathe the
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Holy Spirit out on the people to make them go, oh, no. And it's like, shouldn't you be in, like, boxing or police or just imagine just, like, how many lives could you save if you could just knock people out by blowing?
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Right. So not to make this longer than it needs to go, but I came from a charismatic background before I came to Whitten, and I saw a lot of this.
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I feel like in general, as a whole, it's obviously being abused. But I'd like, in a next session, talk about some experiences
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I've had. I'd love to. Yes. Because I was actually converted during one of these movements when the preacher was going, fire, fire, fire.
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That is when I became a Christian. I received the Holy Spirit right then and there. It was not from the person screaming fire, the person saying, you know, repent, repent.
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That's always interested me. When we have charismatic pastors scream fire, fire, fire almost every time fire is brought from heaven in the
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Bible as judgment. But yes, I'd love to talk about that next session. And it's even a promise it's going to happen again. Right.
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Yeah. First it was water, now it will be fire. I pray for mercy for that day. I don't call on it.
49:58
Right. Scripture says don't look for it. I mean, it's a bad day. It's going to be a very dark day.
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All right, guys. Well, if you have any experiences with spiritual healing, shoot us a comment.
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Send us an email. Guys, if you had any hot takes from our game today,
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Hive is mine. Please let us know in the comments. I want to play that again. Yeah, we can definitely play it again. We'll have a lot more hot takes.
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And we'll see. Comments will be with me. Yeah. And we'll see how many free thinkers, how many more we have there.
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Second place is swimming. Animals can swim. Is swimming a sport? He was first place. First place.
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When someone who thinks all animals can swim. I just want to hear more about that. But guys, if you have any hot takes about it, if you have any thoughts about spiritual healing and if you have anything about any episodes in the past, please feel free to comment below your pet rabbit in the lake.
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