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Fall Colors, Travel, and Upcoming Speaking Events

Streaming, I haven't announced this to anyone, but I just had the hankering, I had a window before I need to go out, and I thought, let's do a stream today. I haven't done one for a little bit. And there's a number of topics, I don't know if we'll get to all of them.

Looking for my camera so you can see me. There I am. Hi. For everyone who's streaming right now. It is a beautiful fall day. It's probably actually today, the most beautiful day of the week. And I had the opportunity of going out and doing some sight, well, not really sightseeing, sort of.

We went for some walks, got some drinks, some teas and things, and experienced the fall air over the weekend with my wife. So I want to show you just a few pictures of that. This is from my Gab page, I'll blow these up for you, for those who are streaming.

If you wonder what New York looks like during fall, this is a pretty good idea. This is the Northern Catskills, which is a little bit of a drive from my house, but it wasn't peak at my house. I think in the next few days it's going to be.

It's getting there. But in the Northern Catskills, it was approaching peak. In fact, Windom Mountain was just already there. So absolutely beautiful. Here's a picture of just a trail that we were able to walk down.

And unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on your situation, if you're a business owner, it's fortunately. If you're someone who likes recreation, it's unfortunately. But a lot of people from New York City have come up to the area I live in.

I'm on the border of, I'm actually near the Hudson River. So I'm in Ulster County, Dutchess County is across the river from me. And it's the mid Hudson Valley, not far from the Southern Catskills, if I want to go there.

And so that area though, is so, since COVID, so infused with people from New York City that on a weekend, especially in the fall, it's not the place you want to be. So we went to the Northern Catskills and it's a little more out of the way.

And we were able to find some places actually with, that weren't that crowded, which was a blessing. So anyway, there you go. There's for those who can look at it and weep from other parts of the country where you don't have fall colors.

I'm sorry. I feel bad for you. And maybe I'll be in that situation. I was kind of in North Carolina and Virginia. I know you think, well, they have colors. It's not the same though. And people from Maine probably think that where I am is not the same.

Generally the colder it is, at least if you have hardwoods, it's going to be more spectacular. And it's actually been kind of warm around here. So the colors aren't as vibrant as they could be, but still absolutely spectacular.

And I love the fall, except for one thing. I have some allergies that I've forgotten about the last few years I've been in North Carolina, Virginia. I haven't had a problem in the fall and this year, oh my goodness, I've been having trouble even sleeping just with like tearing eyes and runny nose.

And I think it, it should last maybe another week because it's going to be so cold. Whatever's blooming is going to have to die. And and then we'll be contending with snow. But until then, I'm enjoying this.

Wanted to make a few announcements to everyone out there who might be listening right now. One is, oh, and I didn't pull it up. I should have pulled this up. Well, you can go to Worldview Conversation and check it out.

Worldviewconversation .com. Hopefully I'll be able to announce it later in the week as well and remind everyone. But if you live in Indiana, I'm going to be in Indiana. I'm going to be in, I think it's Kendallville, Indiana, near there, and I'll be in Syracuse, Indiana.

And I would love to see you. Two different churches and two different presentations. One is going to be just on social justice in general. And then at the Jesus and Politics Conference in Syracuse, I'm going to be talking about rebuilding from the ruins.

And I have been doing some research and some writing this week on that topic, and will likely do more of that later in the week, which might prevent me from putting out as much content as I'd like to.

But I will at least do, I think, one more video at least before leaving on Thursday for that. But if you're in the area, I'd love to see you. So please come on out. And so that's going well. Retreat stuff is really coming together.

We have 83 people, 83 men right now signed up to come to the retreat. And I think it's going to be a wonderful time. So I am finalizing some of the legwork in that. And if you have signed up, you are going to get an email from me soon with some details, more details, instructions for when you come and what you need to do and all of that.

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Southern Seminary, the Meaning of Pastor, and the Battle Over Definitions

One of the just feature this an encouraging thing to some extent. I know we've done a lot of work on Southern Seminary, Al Mohler in particular, and I'm not saying everything's turned around there at all.

I'm certainly not someone who trusts Al Mohler to be anything more. Unfortunately, it sounds terrible, but it's true because I've watched him for years now. Then really a political weathervane. He's someone that kind of goes with whatever's popular.

He's a trendy, but he's not someone that I see is on many issues, very important issues, very principled. And so this was really good to see. This is something I think actually he has been fairly consistent on and it is the meaning of pastor.

The fact that in the Southern Baptist Convention, and I believe this is biblical as well. I know there might be a few that are listening to this podcast who don't agree with this, but the Southern Baptist Convention, at least this is where they've come down on it.

The role of pastor, the office of pastor, both those things, right? Same thing. They're reserved for men. There's many verses on this, but this is something that is unfortunately being called into question.

And so the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, where Al Mohler is the president, put out a press release on the 13th of October, 2022, Paul trustee meeting board commends Mohler's stance on the meaning of pastor in Baptist faith and message 2000.

And it recounts the history of this, what happened. We covered it last June at the convention for the Southern Baptist and how Al Mohler took a stand from the convention floor on this particular topic.

And he was commended. And I just thought that this was good to see in a sea of sometimes not so great things. It's really good to focus on something that is a positive. This is something that needs a line that needs to be held.

And definitions, honestly, are the battle is so much being waged on us is so much part of a larger battle. So I'm saying the battle in the Southern Baptist Convention and in Christianity and in regards to social justice is part of a much larger war on definitions and reality itself.

And the loss of the definition of pastor, just one of those things, we have the loss of a lot of things. We don't know what a nation is anymore. I just figured that out this week. Well, I kind of already knew that that was something that was present, but it's starting to become a flashpoint.

What is a nation, right? There's all this talk about Christian nationalism. Well, that begs a question. What's a nation? We talked about it on the podcast before a little bit, and we're going to talk about it some more in more detail.

I'm going to give you some tools to help you. Biblical tools. We're going to talk about, though, even what some of the founders of this particular country, United States, what they thought of this. And it's not, in my opinion, very complicated, but that's one of the definitions that's attacked.

Of course, the definition of what a man and a woman are, gender, those things are under attack. What a marriage is, is under attack. It's probably, it's hard to even see where there isn't an attack on definitions.

And so we're seeing the walls come down, the barriers, and I was actually talking to my dad earlier today. He said, made a comment, he goes, it's almost by design. It just seems like it's by design, that so many of these conflicts are in this murky soup.

So we're debating them, and one person has one definition of what nationalism is, another person has another definition, and they're all coming together, and emotions are high, but reason is very low.

And it's like that on so many different topics. And so one of the things on this particular podcast I've tried to do is give you an idea when I can of, to clarify things, to navigate these waters, and to show you what the working issues are.

And we've done that on a number of topics. What is critical race theory? Let's go through what critical race theorists have said. Let's distill that, and let's apply it. Let's understand a meaning. So we, on this podcast, I'm not into that.

I hate vagueness, and there's a place for generalities for sure, but when you can be specific, we want to be specific. We want to be clear as much as we possibly can when we can. So that being said, good for Southern Seminary.

Let's see here. I wanted to go to the next thing. This is from, okay, this was a thread I saw this morning. So we're moving from Southern Seminary to Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, another major seminary in the Southern Baptist Convention.

I actually graduated from there, and I put out so much material on Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary as far as showing, proving that they've really gone down a more of, in the popular vernacular, a woke direction, but pro-social justice direction.

Social Justice at Southeastern and the Problem of Gospel Confusion

And there was a thread this morning that contained a number of things that I'd seen before, but they just strung them together, and I thought, you know, I haven't talked about any of these, but it's just a reminder.

There's a few things we're going to talk about in this, but I think the main reason I wanted to talk about it is it's a reminder that things aren't, things have not adjusted themselves to a point at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary where the social justice issue is a dead issue, where it's, it's a, there's a return to orthodoxy or anything like that.

Some people, I think, think that because, well, John hasn't talked about it for a while and I don't hear anything overtly woke, it's because I'm not focusing on it. And because a lot of it, I think, has gone underground to some extent, but, you know, I got this in the mail.

This is earlier today from the Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, and I looked at it. It's, it's a fundraising thing, you know, thank you for your support. Well, I didn't give them support other than all the money I gave them when I was a student, but they want me to give them support anyway.

So I was reading this thing and it is totally about missions, just the Great Commission, spreading the gospel. They have on the back a number of professors, you know, smiling with their kids and their families and just glowing statements about how the Great Commission is being spread, how God is using Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary.

And this is the kind of thing that you would have seen also probably in 2014. In fact, here's Dr. Ken Keithley. I'll just read one of them. Okay. Dr. Ken Keithley. The worldwide impact of Southeastern's ministry cannot be exaggerated.

Lord has called his choice servants to attend this school, and after they graduate, he is sending them to every part of the earth. Central to the Great Commission is the making of disciples. We know the truths of scripture to be the best of our, to the best of our ability.

If we are going to make disciples, equipping students to do that well is my goal as a professor. Sounds great. Right? And that's all they're saying to donors. I've gotten this stuff for a long time. They're not talking about any of their, the social justice stuff that they push.

It's just that. And I think that's what a lot of people, especially the pew sitters, the people funding these institutions, that's all they know. Especially if they're not listening to this podcast, if they haven't gone on YouTube and typed in social justice Southeastern, all they're getting, if they haven't seen Enemies Within the Church, I mean, now there's a lot of places that have exposed what's been going on at places like Southeastern.

But if they're not aware of all that, if they're just getting letters like this, they're going to keep funding it because they think that's what's happening. But I want to show you a few things. And I'm just debating in my head right now, which order I want to do this in, because some of these are more major, I suppose, than others.

But I want to start, let's start here, if I may, I'm going to work backwards. I'm going to do a little bit out of the order that I wanted to do this in. Ken Keithley is the person that I just read a quote from.

Here's Ken Keithley again. He's a professor there. And he says, this is what he says, 10 on a scale of 10, 10 on a scale of 10. Well, meaning this is as good as it gets is perfect. What's perfect? What's 10 out of 10?

He retweets the L. Rush Bush Center for Faith and Culture. That's on the campus of Southeastern. And they had a talk recently by Dr. Jonathan Moo on creation care. And this is what, this is just a quote, and this is the quote that Ken Keithley retweets.

In order to be faithful to the gospel, this is this morning, he tweets this out, 10, 16 AM, October 18th. In order to be faithful to the gospel, we must care for God's creation. In order to be faithful to the gospel, we must care for God's creation.

And Ken Keithley says 10 on a scale of 10. And it reminded me of so many of the quotations that I was combing over for the book that I did last year, Christianity and Social Justice, Religions and Conflict.

And you can still do this, really. Go to any Christian website, any Christian college, you can go to their blog, and do a search. Type in gospel and just see where does the word gospel, where is it used?

And sometimes you'll find it's used in a very orthodox sense, the way that the apostle Paul uses the term gospel, the way Jesus uses the term gospel. But you're also going to find, and sometimes exclusively, you're going to find that gospel is applied to a much broader category than that.

Gospel is used to give you the impression that unless you're doing something towards, to alleviate some kind of a racial disparity, you're not being faithful to the gospel. Unless you're doing something political, something to, during 2020, it was in some quarters, if you were not practicing some of the mandates and guidance from the CDC, you were not being faithful to the gospel, because that's involved with loving your neighbor.

And of course, there's all these conflations between the law and the gospel, and those two categories just got mixed, which is a no-no. That's not, you can read my book, I talk about it, but this is not something that, I think the most, probably the best book in the New Testament about it would be Galatians.

But this is something that the two must remain separate. They're separate categories. And the danger you run is when you give the impression that there's some work that you must do, or some achievement you as a person must make, a contribution to the salvation that you have.

Frankly, that's really what it comes down to, to your justification. The gospel, if the good news is you need to do something, you must care for God's creation. That sounds like good news. Well, I'm never going to care for God's creation perfectly.

Even if I'm part of, I was going to say the Sierra Club, but I don't know how good some of those environmentalist groups are. If I was part of some conservationist group, a good one, let's say, Ducks Unlimited, I don't know.

Am I going to be doing it to the extent that I should? Am I going to be perfect in my care for God's, my stewardship of God's resources? I'm never going to be perfect. My works can't get me there. And the good news is that, of course, Jesus has fulfilled God's law on our behalf, that Jesus has taken our sin and paid for it.

It's been applied to his account. He's paid for it. And then he's taken his righteousness and applied it to our account. So there's nothing. I can do, right? This is simple stuff. I understand. Many of you listening, if you're Christians, you know what I'm talking about, but you have even seminary professors who muddy these waters so much.

And it's a big problem. And it's a big problem in the social justice movement. And it was a problem when I was at Southeastern. And it's still a problem apparently, because that is at best, at best, an extremely sloppy sentence in order to be faithful to the gospel.

We must do something. We have to do something in order to be faithful to the gospel. In order to, I mean, we have to, we have to believe we shouldn't undermine the truths that the gospel rests on. I'm thinking of biblically orthodox beliefs about Jesus, about who he is, the Trinity, those kinds of things, the nature of the word of God, perhaps.

I mean, these are things that the gospel rests on perhaps, but you can see in this that there's a new kind of a test for orthodoxy that the social justice movement has produced. It's not enough to have biblically orthodox doctrine now in the classical sense of that term.

Now there are other things that we must do. We must be a part of, we must political things, social things. And so this is at best in my mind, this is danger language, you know, red flags should be going up.

And I don't think that was in the thread that I was highlighting here, but there were a couple other things. This was one, some of them are, some of them are interesting, but this was one that I wanted to highlight a little bit.

This is a, I guess this is an example of a graduate, just one graduate from Southeastern. Okay. Not ever graduates like this, but this is an individual who, according to their Twitter, Aaron, I think it's Harding, is very, let's see, well, this particular, let me just read this to you.

This is someone tweeted out with their pronouns, Natalie, she, her, with a, I think that's a transgender flag or icon. Just so you know, we will respond with grace first. This is sort of in the middle of a conversation.

First, you aren't worth it. Second, we're strong women. We can't help, but show grace, especially towards those who are consumed with so much hatred. It is truly a pity that that's your baggage to carry.

And then Aaron Harding, I'm so proud to call you my sister in Christ. And I don't care who drags me for saying it, thankful for you. And I think the point of them posting this screenshot was like, this is someone who is pro-transgender, you know, pronouns in her bio and a sister in Christ.

And I think this must have something to do with transgenderism. More telling though, and maybe more, you know, there's her graduating, I guess, with Danny Akin. Danny Akin says that he's proud of her publicly on Twitter.

And she commends the staff. She says, Danny Akin and the entire staff are some of the greatest, most encouraging believers I have ever met. And so this is, this was the more telling thing, I guess. So according to this recent Southeastern grad, this is someone named Eric Tilley posted this.

Let's see here. Danny Akin would be a white supremacist. And here's the tweet from Aaron Harding. Kenism is a theological framework. We talked about that with the last podcast. I talked about this. Another one of those nebulous definitions.

Kenism is a theological framework that justifies racism by using the Bible to promulgate white supremacy, Arianism. Much like complementarianism, whoa, much like complementarianism, white men abuse the scriptures to tell women and people of color that they are subject, second class, thus white male rule is God.

So apparently complementarianism is like the rankest form of racism of some kind. And she's against complementarianism, right? And this is something that Southeastern would say, well, we're complementarian, soft complementarians perhaps, gentle, kinder complementarians.

We're complementarian though. And the graduates though they're producing, I'm just here to tell you, I was there and the people who graduated since I've been there have been telling me that it's even, it's worse that there's a lot of woke social justice types coming out, being produced at these institutions and then they're making their way to churches.

And I even know of one person who was telling me that it was Southeastern that actually caused their friend to lose their faith in some way. I mean, that's the way that they phrased it, but to reject Christianity just because they're hearing how bad the church is, how terrible the church is for oppressing women and minorities and all these things.

The church is the worst thing ever. And it convinces you eventually, well, why would I want to be part of the church then? Because I think people who say that, they want you to be part of a change. They want you to be a change agent, an activist in the church.

But honestly, why would I want to be part of that institution, right? This is like what the new atheist said 15 years ago, but now woke more or social justice minded Christians are saying these kinds of things and it does have an effect.

It impacts the generation that's graduating now. And so anyways, SBC Underground on Twitter highlighted Aaron Harding as just sort of an example of this, that this tendency, this trend. And no, I don't know of any major studies.

I don't even know how you would do that too. Uh, but just on a ground level, observing this, knowing people that observe, observe this, then yes, uh, I've totally seen this. So, uh, there was one thing though I wanted to point out or, or talk about, and this is switching gears a little bit, but we're still talking about Southeastern.

This is someone who graduated from the College of Southeastern and, um, it's Kaylee Melissa is the name. And, uh, this is a video from March 12th, 2021. And this is, uh, her parents are involved in H actually, I think the thread that I was just on says, uh, what they were involved with open door church, a church, um, led by an SCBTS leader pillar network was founded there.

So that her family is very involved with this church apparently. And, uh, this was actually sent to me last year. I think when it closer to when it happened, I just didn't talk about it. But I want to talk about it now because not because of Southeastern, I mean, I Southeastern is neither here nor there.

You know, I'm not blaming Southeastern for this situation. I have my own opinion about what might not have helped coming from Southeastern, but this is a Southeastern grad and she has, man, she has like 1 .8 million subscribers, which is just crazy.

That's a lot of people. Um, and, and this is what she says. And I'm just going to give you a, uh, let me play this for you. This is a, just a little montage and we'll then go over it together. It's about three minutes long.

Labels that I use for myself often are bisexual, queer, and fluid. I have experienced attraction to multiple genders in my life. I grew up in a really conservative environment and I was homeschooled. So my circle was pretty small and I didn't know anything about gay or queer people until middle school.

I think I was 13 at this point. My friend and I were talking about the new meaning of the word gay and, um, she mentioned the term lesbian. And I was like, oh, well that's a funny word. What's lesbian?

And she was like, oh, it's when girls. And I was like, when girls what? I was so obtuse. She kept like trying to hint and I wasn't getting the hint. So she finally had to like look me in the eyes and be like, Kayley, it's when girls like girls.

And I was like, oh, and in my mind to say that a light bulb went off would be an actual understatement. Like I was like, that's what those feelings were. I get it now. Of course I liked those girls. That's what liking somebody feels like.

And that was the first half of the second after I heard about girls liking girls. And in the second half of the sentence, I remembered what I'd been taught about gay and queer people. And I realized I'm one of them because of what I've been taught.

I was like, I am a despicable human. I'm like a murderer. Me, a 13 year old girl, just like, what do I do? And the only answer I had was, shh, don't tell anybody ever. No one can know this. This needs to be buried as deep inside of you as it possibly can be.

It needs to never see the light of day. You have to take this to your grave. In the foreground, I'm dealing with undiagnosed depression and anxiety, which I had even before my sexuality mystery revealed itself to me.

And I knew that I thought and felt differently just in general about the world than the community that I was in at the time. And the hard part about that was that like, it was conform or be ostracized.

It was be this person or you will be kicked out. Very much felt like I couldn't be any of the things that I was because any of the things that I was meant that I would lose everything. I would lose love.

I would lose belonging. I would lose my community. I would lose my family. And I prayed. I pleaded with God, please take away all the ways that I'm different. This is too hard. I am doing everything I can and I still keep having these feelings and they won't go away and I'm not strong enough.

Just please, please take it back to a point that I'm strong enough. My entire dialogue about my sexuality was gaslighting and bullying. It was just all these internalized messages that I'd gotten around my sexuality from people growing up and from church and from mainstream media, from all this stuff.

And I had internalized it and I was using it to gaslight and bully myself. I was using it to hurt myself. And with the help of friends, siblings, therapists, I started to bring my sexuality into the forefront.

So there you have it.

The Need for Grace, Not Legalism, in Pastoral Care

Man, this is just sad to me. And it's much longer. She gets into a number of things. She talks about getting married, getting divorced to a man. She talks about when she was young and heard this word for the first time, someone telling her it's the worst sin, which, you know, I'll just take her at her word.

I don't know, but that's what she says. And what I don't want to do is get, psychologize it, of course. I don't want to analyze it too much to the point that I'm assuming things that I shouldn't be assuming.

A few things, though, just based off of what she says. She says, she has some assumptions here already that are not obviously biblical. Like it's so bad to be like a murderer, like it's so negative to be like a murderer.

And that's just biblical teaching that we're all sinners. If one has broken the law, they're guilty of all the wages of sin is death. The gift of God is eternal life. This is where the grace of God comes in.

This is where the gospel comes in, that Jesus took our very sins upon himself. That there's nothing, you could be the worst person imaginable. Paul was killing people. I mean, he was a murderer and God turned his life around.

God saved him. God can, God had grace on David. I mean, there's, the Bible's filled with examples of sinners who have done evil things and the grace of Christ covers those sins. And so, she, her background seems like, what she describes at least, is that she felt she had to shut this all, she had to hide it.

She had to shut it in. She couldn't talk about these curiosities, feelings, admiration, whatever it is she had. She talks about the first time she saw someone, she was very attracted to them and didn't really know.

And it doesn't even sound like it might've been even sexual or physical. It was just an admiration perhaps for someone. But then this blossoms into her talking to people who are describing what lesbianism and she thinks, well, that's what I am, lesbian, I guess.

How often does that happen, I wonder? Where people are just, they might have experiences that are not even that abnormal as far as they're not outside of created, God's created design. They didn't have a sexually evil thought or motive but then it's suggested to them that they are this way because it, look, it matches.

You're like, you're a tomboy. You must, you must be actually a lesbian or you must be a trans person or something. And it's like, no, this is a phase that they're going, this isn't anything that's, no, right?

So generations past, that's how they would have viewed it. But, and I don't know if that's 100 the case for her but she describes this environment where she just feels like she has to shut this in. She can't talk to people about it.

And then when she does start to have conversations, it sounds like they're not the best. They're the wrong conversations perhaps. And whatever Christians were involved in this and maybe there were some good solid Christians steering her in the right direction.

But she seems to think that it was just a condemnation in which there was, that was it. There was no bearing of one another's burdens. There was no encouraging the faint-hearted, helping the weak. It was just, don't ever talk about that.

If you do, you're not a Christian. And that's what she says actually at another point in this particular video that you just can't be a Christian if you're this. So super sloppy categories for someone who graduated from Southeastern.

There's just a basic lack there for someone with a four-year degree from an institution that's funded by the Southern Baptist to train people in ministry. She does not have a basic understanding of even just the gospel and how that works.

And the fact that, yes, you can't be a Christian who holds on to sin and says that my sin is part of who I am and there's nothing wrong with it. And I justify it and that's somehow part of my Christian.

You can't do that. But of course you can be a Christian and sin. Of course you can be a Christian and have struggles with sin. There's the Bible's full of examples of this. And that's where it's whether it's a situation like this or the situation that's maybe closer to what I'm referring to because I don't know the ins and outs of this particular situation.

But I have noticed in some circles there is a tendency to be very rigid. Rigid though in the wrong ways. We should be rigid on morality, on biblical ethics. We're not going to compromise right and wrong.

We should be rigid on the orthodox beliefs that we have, our beliefs about Jesus, our beliefs about the gospel. But when it comes to ministering to people, to individuals who are often complicated messes and more so the more dysfunction in families becomes normalized, we have got to approach these things as best as we can in a way that we communicate the full spectrum of biblical theology.

So we communicate grace as well as law. Not just law, not just grace, both of them, right? We have to be able to not jump to conclusions when we see someone and to just necessarily with limited information just fit them into a category which is possibly what happened with her.

Some of the things she says lead me to believe that that may have been the case where, you know, you're a lesbian because you feel this way and she just kind of goes with it. And then on the other side, well, if you feel this way, you can't be a Christian.

And I guess illegalism is what I'm getting at. There can be illegalism. And the social justice movement is one of the worst, in my opinion, from my own experience, worst examples of legalism. And I mean, second, third degree separation that the fundamentalists would be blushing at happens in social justice circles.

They just have a different law. They just, if you're not, if you're, I guess, don't care for the creation enough, right? As we just saw, or if you're too white or you're just not down for the struggle enough for BLM, you're not supportive enough of, quote unquote, people who say they're abused.

Whatever the case may be, it's more along political lines, but they can be very rigid on those things that these man-made standards that they've adhered to, they are, they make that everything. They make that the test of your faith, of your, whether you can be friends with that person, whether you should have any standing in society or else you're canceled.

But there's versions of this that exist. It doesn't have to be social justice, right? There's versions of this that exist all over the place. And I wasn't quite surprised when I saw this. I could see this happening, especially years ago, perhaps at a place like, in that environment at Southeastern.