Philippians 1:27 and Open Phones

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Good afternoon, welcome to the dividing line. My name is James White. It is our Thursday evening version of the dividing line. Currently 34 people in channel, that's not really true. Two of those are bought so I guess it doesn't really count 32 then and who knows how many of them are actually active I don't know.

But anyways, it's good to have you with us this evening. Just a reminder next week We will have a debate during this time. I actually haven't seen my opponent In channel for a while probably need to track him down and make sure that we can do so We can barely hear you that's interesting.

Well, hopefully we fixed all that. Anyways, um Everybody's saying sounds faint and things like that. I'm not faint. I'm actually speaking very loudly. But anyways, we're supposed to have a debate a week from tonight with Aquinas and Aquinas is a Roman Catholic apologist says that he's How do you put it officially given authority by the church to To teach Catholic doctrine and we're gonna be talking about the Apocrypha and the issue of the Canon and things like that will probably go more than an Hour, obviously, we'll be working on the details that so that'll be a week from tonight obviously on our Tuesday morning version coming up next Tuesday morning.

We will give you more details exactly as to how that's going to all work out. But first things first Here on the dividing line. We are a family friendly program. And so we have a family of folks that That gather together electronically in our chat channel and It's a widespread family people.

Well, we've got folks down in in Australia and All over the United States and today happens to be a special day one of our our ops has a birthday today and and It's it's sort of sad. I'm almost Not quite almost old enough to to be This ops father.

That's what's so frightening about all these things talking all these young people. But Julie Staples has a birthday today and so what I did and I did this on a short notice and so I want to Thank the folks who are joining me now online we have We'll just go since we're gonna since we're actually going to sing.

We'll just go with our how about we just go with our Nixon channel that way we can have a certain level of anonymity here. But I'm joined here somewhat locally anyways on on the phone by by moomy goon and also long distance on our toll-free number by CDS now the reason I asked Monogon and CDS to call in is that I've heard both of them sing and I know that they can.

And so if you take them and mix them with me Hopefully that'll sort of even everything out and everything will be fine, but We just wanted to to say a happy birthday to to Julie Staples and to do so We're all going to get to a thing.

Happy birthday those you in the channel if you'd like to join him. You feel free to do so just realizing. I just got connect disconnected. What perfect timing to get moved off of the system, but right now as I get disconnected isn't that wonderful well Hopefully everybody else can still hear us.

Even though I'm not going to get to see any of the reaction here because it takes like I don't know how long for this System to get back in there, but we cannot hold on forever. Colin would you like to say say hi to everyone?

I'm sorry CDS. I have no idea who Colin is that was just Otherwise American oh you do sound so American. Yes, you don't slay anything anything like that at all and. And of course everyone probably is wondering what a movie goon would sound like anyways.

That requires saying well a movie goon sounds like a normal person does or anything like that. I Try to be normal you try to be normal. I really hard there's not a whole not a whole lot of normal folks actually take part in our channel anyways.

So it's really really not it well anyways I guess I'm gonna have to be the one though because I've got the big microphone here, and you guys are on the on the phone lines. I'm gonna have to be the one who starts this now Colin.

Yeah, we're near a I'm sorry CDS. You know you're not anywhere anywhere near a a piano. Are you? I'm not at the moment. No you did you do have a piano don't you but you're on it. You're probably on the landline, so you can't move it.

I was good I'm gonna say that Isn't the worst thing about saying happy birthday the fact that no one ever starts at the exact same place. And you just sort of the first the first three words are just everyone slowly.

You know the different keys coming together into one into one thing so I guess I'm gonna have to try to To get us started, huh? I'm a base. I'd never start not really low. Well you know that that might not be a bad idea.

No, that's a you know we're taking a long time on this because I still haven't gotten into the channel yet I cannot see what's going on here, and it's really really bothering me. Are you guys still in yeah?

I think they're not in front the computer at the moment. Oh, okay? I'm hearing rich yelling something at me as if you know this is funny. He knows I'm wearing headphones. He's on the other side of a wall, and he's yelling at me as if I suppose all done.

It's called a net split. No, it's not a net split because the arm of just took a walk to buy and you're on it.

Well, I'm not on anything. I'm disconnected. I'm completely I'm gone. I'm a different server. I can't do that while talking and singing at the same time. That doesn't work.

So hey as long as we know if they can actually hear each other. This is a great sound test for the new phone. It is a sound test you can hear each other. That will be more.

That will be important though because if you can't hear each other you can only hear me. And then you're gonna have to go off me, and that's a terrible thing so anyways Let's just go ahead and get this taken care of Julie.

Happy birthday to you, so we're gonna sing happy birthday here on the divine. I'm not gonna do it like like Barry Manilow or or or John Denver. I'm gonna stick stick right with the normal American way of doing things.

Okay, all right. Let's let's sing a happy birthday. I'll turn it down turn it down happy birthday to you. Happy birthday. I'm doing a solo now dear Julie. Happy birthday to you. Well. We just discovered one thing about the phone system.

The phone system is not designed for use on singing. So We will now establish a new rule for all callers do not sing. It's not a great beginning. I don't know what happened how we got feedback into it, but now Unfortunately Balthazar and MDH and all the rest of those people will have me Soloing and I'm gonna see these things showing up on my family, and it's gonna be a terrible horrible thing.

Can we not get them back at all now?

Hello, I'm trying. I don't know what has happened here. You guys have blown the circuits on our brand-new expensive.

Is there any smoke coming out from behind the behind the thing? Okay? I can hear someone. Nope, oh, we've that that really sounds really really bad rich. It's an alien invasion. You want you turn your microphone off there rich while we let you figure that out and We will move on from there.

Hey CDS and and and monogon. I I really appreciate. Turn that thing off. Yeah, I appreciate your calling in. I just hope that rich does not die in the inferno of exploding circuits and. Equipment on this side you guys sounded great right up to the point where I started singing.

I'm it's probably my fault. I will I will confess. It's probably probably my fault whatever happened now. I've got oh This is this is lovely. I've had 36 firewall connections refused so far. Everything fell apart at once.

Well we need to find out what's going on so that we can make it work for the for the debate next week so. Yeah, you know you got to play around with these kind of things. Well anyways happy birthday Julie you you're probably completely embarrassed now.

That's so that we spent the first ten minutes the program messing around like this. But hey, that's that's what happens when you're as faithful and op as Julie is in the channel. And so a happy birthday to you.

Well for all the rest of you who? Who are wondering what the world we're doing here anyways? Welcome to the program if you ever want to hear us or not hear us sing. I had birthday to you, then you sort of have to get involved with.

The ongoing discussion to take place in the in the chat channel. I suppose lots of stuff going on in the world today lots of rumors running around. I think I'm going head-to-head with the president right now if I if I'm not actually mistaken I saw something about a seven o 'clock news conference or something.

I'm really not sure Developments going on there that may impact the number of folks who end up calling in today, which you can do well I'm not sure if you can do now or not actually. The phone number is eight seven seven seven five three thirty three forty one, but I honestly don't know what's going on.

I I I don't know if if the person on the other side of the wall still alive I Really no idea because we haven't cut a hole through the wall yet. So I can actually look over there and see what's going on which would be highly distracting anyways.

And since I can't get back into the chat channel. I don't know what's going on there either. So I'm just sort of flying blind here. I have absolutely no idea. What's what's taking place, so it's it's it's lots of fun.

I suppose I could try a a different Roch, there we go see if we can pop in there, but anyways Lots of stuff going on in the world lots of discussion about About Islam and about terrorism and all those other things sadly in the vast majority of instances again nothing overly Overly accurate being put forth put forth there.

But putting that aside since that seems to be what absolutely positively Takes over our thinking these days. I did want to Bring up a passage of scripture that I have I have certainly been thinking about Myself a lot recently it's found in Philippians chapter 1.

Philippians of course the epistle of joy. You know I have to I have to admit it it must be nice it must have been nice for the Apostle Paul To be able to write an epistle in which he did not have to Directly engage false teachings problems within the fellowship Sin within the fellowship all the rest that stuff it it it must have been you know very nice for that to To take place on on his part.

Because you know the older I get and the more I have to deal with that kind of thing within the context of the church The more unpleasant it really is there's there's no two questions. No two ways about it and so Here is an epistle that is about joy.

It's about rejoicing. It's it's a a wonderful epistle to to read and I would recommend it to your your frequent examination your frequent You know source of joy itself truly and Especially Philippians chapter 1 verse 27 which reads in a new American Standard Bible only conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ that whether I come And see you or remain absent I will hear of you that you are standing firm in one spirit with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel and That's not even an entire Entire sentence in of itself it goes on To say in no way alarmed by your opponents, which is a sign of destruction for them, but of salvation for you and that too from God now.

That that kind of discussion is a little unusual in in the church today. We don't talk about having opponents. We're all on the same team or we're all trying to do the same thing certainly from a a worldly perspective.

The idea of even confessing that we view someone as an opponent is considered to be closed-minded and unloving but in reality When Paul writes to the Philippians, they certainly understand that there were those who who opposed them indeed.

The very next verse Philippians 1 29 says for a tutor has been grant for Christ's sake not only to believe in him But also to suffer for his sake experiencing the same conflict which you saw on me and now here to be in me.

There is conflict in the Christian life. There is opposition. There is battle striving hardship and it is in that context that Paul writes to the Corinthians and he He commands them to conduct themselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ and we see that term worthy.

And we tend to to shy away from it in in some some fashion we we tend to In essence Not want to really ponder what it means to Just got back in all the channels. There's nobody there. That's that's that's lovely.

We we don't tend to ponder what it means to to conduct ourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel. But the gospel is something that is so tremendously So tremendously valuable. It is so so precious That to be in possession of it, let alone to be the the object of its of its redemptive message is truly to be placed in a position where we We must live in such a manner as to reflect our own recognition of its worth and and of our salvation by it.

A person who thinks that's the gospel that you can embrace the gospel and that you can remain Unchanged by such a life-shattering encounter with God Certainly does not understand what God's purpose is in our life.

It is his purpose to conform us the image of Christ. It is his purpose to to to change us and certainly we when we fight with false doctrines and we have to defend the truths of Of justification by faith and and distinguish between justification and sanctification we we can sometimes become so focused upon those particular things that we we lose sight of of the reality.

That we need to live in a manner worthy of the gospel. That there is indeed an application of these things in our life. And so Paul says the Philippians that we are to conduct ourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ so that whether So whether I come and see you or remain absent I will hear of you that you are standing firm in one spirit with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel so there is a result that comes from Recognizing the value of the gospel and Paul wants to know He wants to recognize that when we Have got even this is this is very very strange if anyone can hear me I'm sitting all alone on one server nobody else around and guess who shows up, but someone with the nick of thinker.

Someone tell me what what what server I can get on here so I can get back into a discussion of Philippians 127. That's it here playing games with thinker popping into the channel anyways you know I I just This is very frustrating to to have this thing.

This this going on. It's it's really truly is so. Maybe someone can tell me what what other servers are working. It would be that would be nice, but Houston Houston all right, so Houston's working all right.

Let's see if Disconnected connecting tempting to rejoin Hey Hey. Still no one hey, there's everybody hi. I'm waving at everyone now. Good night. Oh That was fun. Unfortunately, I probably just abandoned.

If I just abandoned Prasapala Guion Rochester is now run by thinker. And for those of you have no idea you did it says Now I'll be able to continue on what I was saying good grief anyways. Houston does not have a problem.

That is true. Yes. I have been found. I feel like the lost sheep. I have been a I have been brought back into the proper. Yes. I can see everybody now. It's it's nice to be back. I was feeling very very unloved and and That's funny anyways.

Going back to the passage and by the way now that I can see a omen I've been hearing phones ringing and everything else is have we recovered anything over there that anything blow up? You know I'm just sort of sitting over here talking and I don't know if there's people on line.

I don't know zip zero nada, and I still don't because it's very quiet, so I guess I'm not gonna fight it out. So we'll just continue on with the pants. 127 you're most welcome Julie. It's we will have to do a little adjustment with the first call.

There is a first call. Well, I don't know if there is a first call so yes, there is a first call. We just don't know who who the first call is but hey, I love it when the. Wow, man. Oh goodness look at oh.

What a what a mess. What a complete and total mess that was. That's that's funny anyways. I just took care of that particular problem anyways. Do we have a caller or am I gonna be going on with Philippians one?

I just sort of need a up or down in and out. You know whatever you know I'm just over here talking and and nobody's nobody's nobody's talking to me back. Yes, we have a caller, thank you, thank you. This is this is the keyboard and you type a yeah, man.

Yeah, man, okay. Well. You know what I'm gonna. Go ahead and don't know who the caller is don't know what he's asking about well. We're gonna take a shot at it and see if if we can blow the the headphones right off of my head here unknown anonymous caller.

What can we do for you today? There are those days when the wheels just sort of fall off of everything. It's sort of like in one of those cartoons. You know where you hit the car and everything just falls off of.

Everything worked fine when we had we had bailing wire and chewing gum on Tuesday. But now they have no fun. No other accent I can I can do it. I can do a German accent very well actually but now he's Caribbean.

Anyways, well we're gonna skip the collar and Go back to Philippians chapter one. And thinker is DC seeing me constantly. The whole world has lost its mind. I think we're under under some sort of loony attack at the moment so.

Anyhow I was attempting before all of this stuff went absolutely crazy on me to make some sort of meaningful comments. Unfortunately, it's it. I want everyone to think for a moment. What's like to try to talk about Philippians 127 when a DCC chat box keeps opening up from Lin Thinker right on top of your your text there.

It's a very strange very strange thing anyways. We were discussing Paul's words for Philippians 127, and he wanted to see from the Philippians a Church that he himself hey Hey hi there. I guess so even though you did we've got static and stuff's bailing in and out in the whole nine yards.

Yeah, can you hear me? I can hear you. Who's this? Hi Dave from Kentucky, how are you? Yes, sir, what can we do for you? Well Boy every time I talk back to you. I hear all sorts of static and stuff like that.

I'm not sure if I'm talking too loud or what I'm doing, but I Do the permissively. I've never done a study of it. I I've heard folks who've been very very concerned about it. I've heard some discussions about but I'm the perfect answer that I have no idea I I have not any had any problem for example Serving on a jury where you have to take an oath To abide by the law or or something like that.

I think just looking at James 512 here swearing by heaven or buried by earth. You know I I'd have to look into what was involved in in oaths in those days. Haven't I just haven't looked into it. It's not an unissued.

It's ever come up. So I'm hate to hate to have to say I don't know, but I'm not I'm not Comfortable making stuff up. Basically it's it's sort of one of the same issues that comes up when in channel when people see me there they'll ask me about basically everything under the Sun and Not only do I generally not really have time to answer every question in the Sun.

But the problem is if I do answer a question You know it ends up on a website someplace as if it was the you know the solid conclusion of years of study on My part in it you know I just I'm sure there are some great sermons out there and great studies on the subject of oaths.

I I've just You know I probably have heard Heard some discussions of it, but it's just not something that I've ever really put a whole lot of effort into so I Apologize, but I don't know I don't know.

Well I try to be that well, thanks for making it through despite all of our our major difficulties today, but And if you run across something that's down my down my line feel free to call again. Okay, so appreciate it.

Thanks a lot god bless. I'm almost afraid to say eight seven seven seven five three thirty three forty one. Because I Yeah, I don't know what's going on, but anyways Are there are there any other brave people who have attempted to?

Get through that particular number, I do not know I seem to have Hang on yes hang on well, you know hanging on is easier for you than this ring. Because you know I'm the one with the open microphone here.

Yeah, the problem is if I begin Going back flippians one then all of a sudden the middle of a sentence. I hear someone talking to me. That makes things just a little bit difficult so Steve in New Jersey, okay, well, let's Let's go ahead and talk to Steve in New Jersey or try to talk to Steve in New Jersey.

Are you there Steve? Yeah, well we're we're we're fighting through. You know some days it works Just perfectly and then you can have everything set up the exact same way at last time and poof everything goes goes kaflouie so anyways.

What can we do for you Steve. I was listening to the Bible answer man program earlier this evening. I can't remember the gentleman who the guest was but he wrote a book interpretation and it's apparently designed to help people deal with skeptics and he sort of takes the What he called the corporate view of election.

I think that's what he put it. And they say that they he tries to to deal with everybody's perspective from their presuppositions. Including the Arminians presuppositions and the Calvinist presuppositions and everything.

My question is and I'm just it's just sort of I'm Just expressing a frustration. What are my presuppositions?

Yeah, well, I didn't hear it. I was. I'm still working on this chapter. I've been working on forever and I'm sort of seeing the seeing the daylight at the end of the tunnel. So I didn't. I didn't have the program on today.

My my assumption would be that what he's talking about is the difference between how you would respond to Issues either from a starting point of libertarian free will Which is which is where he would be starting from I would assume or from a position of total depravity.

I don't know how you could put those both together in one book to be honest with you unless you have. Well Calvinist respond to this skeptical question by saying this and our minions respond by saying this that would actually highlight More the the contrast between the two positions than it would I think do anything else but since I didn't hear the context in which in which he Used that particular terminology.

I really am not sure how to answer. The question as to what he was referring to. Someone mentioned in channel and he's correct. I think it was Paul Copan. Yeah was. I had heard yesterday that there was a That there was a program coming up.

I just did not have the opportunity of listening to it today because I've got other things going on. But it is interesting. I will note one thing in passing. I just found out today I'm not sure if you've heard the the debate that I did April of last year with George Bryson of Calvary Chapel on the subject of Calvinism.

But I just heard that George's is putting out another book. He had written a book let slash pamphlet Entitled the five points of Calvinism Wade and found wanting which I addressed a number of times in the debate that we did.

Now it's a book. I'm not sure if it's a different book or whatever it is but I found the name of the book fascinating the dark side of Calvinism and I I I don't know. I I'm maybe getting a little jaded, but it would be really nice if instead of You know that kind of title.

Maybe there could be something along the lines of you know presenting a positive case. You know instead of just simply defining everything negatively in regards to what? We allegedly do. But you know I almost feel like putting on a you know a Darth Darth Vader suit, you know and just Predestination you know that kind of thing.

Yes, I could do that would someone tell thinker to quit trying to DCC chat me what what in the world is her problem anyways, yeah, I I'm really hoping that there will be I can't get any farther than this, but let's just say I'm really hoping that within the next 90 days There will be a national discussion on this subject hint hint hint.

And we can we can we can go from there. Well. We'll see what happens.

Yeah, well to me presuppositions is something you bring to the to the table.

But that's not on the table. Yeah, technically. You still there. Yeah, okay, technically that's true. That's how we use it philosophically speaking. But I think most of the time in a context like that.

They would be talking about theological presuppositions prior to the apologetic encounter rather than what you and I would think of presuppositions as in Presuppositional apologetics or something like that.

That would just be my guess but again without having heard You know what exactly he said. That's that's what my assumption would be. If if if I'm sort of guessing the nature of the conversation correctly.

Yeah, I keep hearing that. Well. You've got presuppositions, but nobody ever told me what they are.

Well, that's true. I hear that all the time when I. You know when you just read Romans chapter 9 to somebody and they go. That's just your interpretation. Well. I'm sorry, but No that I just read you Romans chapter 9 it didn't even bother interpreting it yet.

You know that kind of thing happens all the time, but anyways well. Thank you Steve for for fighting through our technical difficulties this evening, and I appreciate your input. Take care. All right.

God bless. Bye. Bye. Eight seven seven seven five three thirty three forty one. We're gonna see if if we can actually take a break here, and hey I hear music in the background yay and I'm gonna Refocus myself here, and we'll be back to the second half hour right after this.

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We are establishing the dividing line between knowing what we're doing and not really knowing what we're doing actually at the moment. Oh. Well, at least we have fun with it. I was just noting in channel that was the longest 30 minutes of my entire adult life actually, oh Gracious that was that was interesting.

We will definitely avoid the conference thing it well, you know, we can't avoid the conference thing because if we're gonna have guests on and They're gonna hear other folks then that's what we got to do.

So we've got a we'll keep working on that and Make it make it function correctly. We have the technology we can fix it. It's just a matter of reading the directions. Which we don't really like doing it's a lot more fun just to play with stuff and see what happens.

That's how that's how guys do it again. Anyways, we do have some other callers who have called in to rescue us from ourselves and. Very funny. Yeah. Well, no, not not really. But anyways on now Lynn just joined apologetics.

What is is. Oh Gutenberg's not off. That's the problem. Anyways, let us. Let us go ahead and talk to Richard in Norwalk, California. Richard how are you doing in the land of fruits and nuts? Hey, dr. What are you doing?

I'm doing well. All right. How are things in California? Pretty good. Yeah, you got electricity. Oh, absolutely. Weather's pretty good. Also. Well, it's not scorching right now. I'll give it time. But yeah, it's only 66 here.

It's been rather cool for a while.

Anyways, what can we do for you, sir? I did have a question. I'm at work here and I'm listening to you up online.

And I'm very sorry about the last half hour. I'm sure I'll catch it at the.

Yes, but um, I'd have a question and it's regard. It's regarding John 539 and my Pastor he really likes to give spiritual and he uses and I have to agree with him a little bit. You know, he uses passages such as John 539 or Luke 24.

I think it's 27 verse 44 and it's really interpreting the Old Testament. He you know these he like for instance John 539 search the scriptures for them. You think you have eternal life and there they which testify of me.

Mm-hmm. They for instance go to I can see Christ in the Old Testament. I can I can go to a Genesis 315 or I can go to Exodus 12 and read him as the Lamb, but at times he's like for instance, he's going over Jeremiah right now and at times he'll Say, you know Israel when it's speaking of Israel ever since I've been under Your teaching for a while and well, you know, it may be very.

Academic in fact because there is a There is a controversy that again, I've you know, I've sort of stayed out of it for the Basic reason that it has not become an issue within the local church where I minister there's there's no one who has raised this or asked about this or anything else and so I Sort of left it on the fringe, but there I have been in churches that were actually being split by this controversy so in some quarters, it's extremely strong and in essence it is the idea that The Old Testament needs to be viewed in such a way is that it's everything that you encounter needs to be presented as a Christological teaching and When you preach from the Old Testament the only preaching from the Old Testament that you can truly do is preaching that ends up in a in a Christological presentation that you should never go to the Old Testament for example and and derive moral Applications from the from the usage of Say well give an example we do preach from the Old Testament on Sunday evenings in our church and and the pastor has been going through for example the story the life of Noah and Just as an example he'll speak of the amount of time that the ark was in preparation and he'll draw from that an Applications of Christian life and that is that that God's people Need to be patient in in obeying the commands of God even when we do not see the immediate Fulfillment of what those commands are all about so Noah was the object of the of the disdain of all those around him the mockery of those around him and therefore you you can Derive the the proper lesson that since Noah was a godly man And he is a commended by scripture that we too should be patient and obeying the commands the Lord even when we are mocked for.