A Few Comments on the Lawson Issue, Then More Than an Hour in Response to Sam Costner

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Well greetings and welcome to the dividing line. I decided despite the fact that it's probably you know 110 degrees inside my truck right now it's below 100 and We set some sort of record for the number of days of 100 degrees or above But all that means is we didn't have a monsoon

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I'm sorry was that No, I think it was 100 above. It was 100 above.

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Anyway We just didn't have a monsoon this year. So there was none of these days where you know, the average goes above 100

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I think around March May 13th, and then it goes back below 100 around this time of the year and You know most years you get some days in there with big old thunderstorms and it cools it off It doesn't get a hundred.

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That's that's all it meant Didn't really mean anything else other than that. But anyways, I thought you know what

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I'm gonna Brighten up everyone's day today and keep everybody awake and you know rich has just been secretly hoping you know that you know,

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I'm really thinking that you know if if Couple dozen people there in the audience

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You know sent in large size just size large coochies for rich.

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I think he would probably just you know be so so thankful and and so happy and Finally be able to you know do what he's always wanted to do which right now looks like he wants to throw up, but No, you know dude if if you throw up and it's that colorful

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I think you only have a few seconds to live anyways, so there's really no reason to be discussing any of that.

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So anyway So I decided you know, I cranked the

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AC And going I'll take this off before I go back outside because they're gonna be looking at me going what in the world are you doing?

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But anyways, we got an early start. It's it is, you know over halfway through September There are places in the

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United States where it is cool right now Somewhere. I'm not exactly sure where it just doesn't happen to be here

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But it is dropping into the upper 60s The past few

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Yeah, but doors open the morning the kitties love it they're running in and out of the house and just having a well your kitty doesn't get to do that, but Yeah, yeah and then so he can he can sit there and and and stare out at all the cats running around outside and he's he can't and Yeah, it's it's it's sad.

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But anyway, we have coyotes. We don't have cats running around in the neighborhood Okay Go ahead and explain that to him

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You know that that deep inside longing is he's looking through those screens anyway, so here we are and So many things so many different directions we could go

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Look but everyone has the same thing on their mind so I don't want to It's been a great deal of time

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I was actually writing when I first saw the first posting of the letter from Trinity Bible Church and and in Dallas and Everything about Steve Lawson and You know it it it is somewhat

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Ironic that To my understanding anyways

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John MacArthur is still in the hospital and I've read some stuff That doesn't sound really good about his long -term prognosis and heart and build up a fluid around the heart and stuff like this and so Serious challenges over in Southern California to be sure

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You know Things like this just remind me

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I have said this many many times in the past You cannot ground your faith in men and it is a

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It takes a development of Christian maturity To Learn to receive blessing from people

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Receive truth from people Who can then turn around and greatly disappoint you

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You know every every minister who walks behind that pole, but should should

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Recognize the Biblical teaching that Not many of you should be teachers.

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They have the greater condemnation. There's a greater. There's a stricter standard of judgment There's no two ways about it, but Anyone who preaches knows you have to if you're going to Speak the whole counsel of God you're going to have to talk about things that you know you yourself struggle with That you're guilty of in the past It might be a besetting sin.

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You're struggling with now the only way to avoid that is to not proclaim the whole counsel of God and So yeah, you know yesterday morning.

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I wrote a little article on Twitter and I posted it on the blog and think

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I put on Facebook too, but I Normally don't I don't bother with Facebook much but it was it was about the sin of anxiety and worry and You know and I said,

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I you know, it's sort of like a besetting sin, I mean I was just sort of Absorbed it

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From my parents. I mean they lived, you know, they they were born during the recession and They were both poor as church mice and we were poor as church mice

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We're so old no one knows what church mice are anymore, so it's not really a good phrase to use but anyway

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So I just sort of picked that up and it's a lack of faith It's lack of trust and man,

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I think I as of this morning there were two hundred and thirty seven comments on just that one thing that I wrote and The vast majority of people were like man.

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Did I need that today? and so What what

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I said in that is You know if if people are helped by that it's not because I said it and So part of developing

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Christian maturity is to You know what when I went to Fuller I learned a lot of good sound solid things

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From people that we'd never allow to preach in our church that ability to work through those things

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Is something everybody has to develop over time Because all of your favorite people are going to disappoint you at some time or another

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Maybe not on this level. Hopefully not anyways But they're gonna disappoint you and If the reason you believe

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Important theological concept a is because you were introduced to it by preacher

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X and then preacher X becomes no longer preacher

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X because of some type of sexual sin or financial stuff or Whatever it might be

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Um Are you gonna stop believing Christian doctrine a well depends on how it was presented to you and It if you learn the important thing and that is if this is grounded in Scripture if it's grounded in the word

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Then it doesn't matter how how it came to me it's grounded in that which is the honest us that which is

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God -breathed and I want to hold Jesus view of Scripture if I hold Jesus view of Scripture That's the ultimate authority and you're grounded at that point a

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Lot of people don't do that. They're not taught to do that. In fact, sadly there are a lot of big -name type preachers out there

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Who don't mind if you sort of view them as your private pathway to special knowledge, so we say

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Um, and that's one of the reasons, you know, you try to call here and get hold of me and you end up with the

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Frenchman from Prescott in there and you think you ain't gonna get past him and you know, he'll talk to you

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But you know this there are people they're just always like oh, I Could I just you know, we just sit down and talk, you know, and that's all

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I'd ever do And one of the reasons I I don't is aside from the fact that that's not what I'm called to do

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For it it concerns me when I see people who have that Attitude To where I know

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I could get away with almost anything Telling them almost anything they're not gonna question me and that's not good.

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That's Not the way it should be not the way it should be at all and so anyway, the the whole point being make sure that when you are

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Evaluating when you are learning from others we all learn from others. I Learned from people when

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I was a young man But you know, I never really I'm not sure why but I never really idolized anybody

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It wasn't like, you know, oh anything this guy says that's just I I've always had a

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In the appropriate biblical context of critical spirit in the sense of hmm, okay, you know, like I said my theological education at Fuller required me to Listen to people that were way off to my left

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Grab the meat spit out the bones and so I did and And You know,

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I learned good solid things from them you can't learn things from liberals You just have to be careful about their conclusions.

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So anyway, we we pray for all the people that are involved People, you know want to know how well did you know?

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Steve Lawson. Well, I can think of at least

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Well one two Three At least three conferences we spoke at it's probably more than that probably more than that But I'm not sure how much

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I want to talk about this but when I speak at conferences I you know, they always have a green room and there's food in there and there's snacks and and You can stay away from everybody that way

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We we don't do the stay away part when we go to g3. I mean, it's exhausting you're there for you're standing for hours and hours and hours talking to folks and that's why

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I figure we're there so Steve was always much more of the green room guy. And so I Actually sat down at dinner with him twice that I remember but I remember

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One time was at a hotel. He actually motioned me over and What I didn't realize is

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I was doing part of his sermon prep for Seriously. Yeah, he for some reason started asking me.

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Have you done much work on John chapter 10 and I had just I think recently Preached on it.

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And so I was going through So what about this verse? Do you remember what the

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Greek was here? And stuff like that and and he's writing all this stuff down And then I realized a few days later when he preached the plenary session that he was preaching at this very large conference

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That it was on John chapter 10 It was doing sermon prep over dinner with me as his as his

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Greek concordance But and then we we had dinner. I There may have been other places where you know, all the speakers were in the same room and so we were in the same room, but I didn't realize that but I sat right next to him

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At a g3 dinner at a restaurant for all the speakers Just outside of Washington DC because I could

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I could see I think it was the Capitol or I think it was the Capitol I could see and pretty far distance.

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We were a ways away, but you could see it. We were in the general area and But we just you know, we know each other we knew each other on site and You know,

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I ran into him at a airport at the at Sky Harbor Airport back when I was flying it's probably about 2018 2017 somewhere on there and But of course, he'd always be up in first class

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Didn't didn't get to sit with him I mean I got to sit up flat up in first class too But it was always one of those complimentary upgrades because of all the miles you've flown

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So no, we didn't we weren't buds we never we never Contacted each other outside of running into each other at conferences and things like that, so I can't give you any of that that kind of insight or Anything like that all the only thing do is tell you stories about his very strange dietary requirements

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That none of the food on his plate could touch any other food on his plate and Mont Blanc pens

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About all I can that's best I can do But in the midst of all this you pray for him and of course for his wife and his family

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You pray for the church. I mean, that's the that's the thing it's just devastating to a local church when someone's been there that long and and then of course

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Ligonier and Masters, you know, he holds significant positions of authority and teaching in all those places and And You pray that People learn and Understand forgiveness, but also understand responsibility and everything that goes with it and you know, this looks like a situation where there's no dispute

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It's not someone making an allegation and someone denying an allegation. So we're not dealing with all the evidentiary stuff

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That's the stuff that still freaks me out I'll be honest with you with with these

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Digital devices here that we can't do without How you apply

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God's law to evidence What mounts to evidence and things like that?

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That's that's an area where a lot of a Lot of work needs to be done and I don't know that works being done.

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I'll be honest with you We will normally we're always behind the curve, you know, we're behind the eight ball or whatever the terminology is.

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We're catching up and That's definitely something we need to work on So, I guess right now

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A debates going on online between William Lane Craig and Muhammad Hijab. I had written to Muhammad Hijab I don't know a year and a half ago.

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Never did hear back from him At the time to be honest with you it seems he was out in the streets of London doing

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Jihadi type stuff Maybe he's gone back doing some apologetics. I don't know but they're debating the concept of the

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Trinity and So I'll try to grab that Eli Ayala told me about it and and And once get a chance to listen to it, he's like hey you want pop on to my program and we can talk about it and I'm like We'll see, you know,

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I Did the the number of books that I have right now that I really want to get through and I'm listening at 1 .5

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Trying to get through them as I just I just finished one this morning. The next one's 21 hours long

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That's a lot of pedaling Driving whatever it you know, it might be and to be honest with you right now what

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I should be doing because We're looking at what? four and a half five weeks

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Before the debate in Mobile, Alabama on the mass and the very strong strident thesis statement chosen by My debate opponent in this encounter that the

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Roman Catholic Mass is the only Proper way to worship God, which hey if you if you believe in old -style

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Roman Catholicism That That fits

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That's that's clearly not what Francis believed That's the irony of all of this is you've still got all these

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Roman Catholics that believe What Roman Catholics believed, you know through the 1930s and 1940s

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But You know, that's not what Francis believes and I guess they're all just sitting around going

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But Francis won't live forever That may be true, but he's leaving, you know, whoever is going to be taking his place he's probably already been chosen so We will we will see but that that should be

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Honestly where I'm focused right now I need to shut a lot of this other stuff off, but it's pretty hard and some of you out there making it very hard The stuff that blew up two days ago

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Because my fellow elder at Apologia Jeff Durbin chose not to Go to a conference that he was scheduled to speak at next year and his primary

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Explanation his primary purpose with which interestingly enough was a private letter was made public but via other means

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Was hey look There are people speaking at this conference that have just Behaved inappropriately toward my fellow elder

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James White and I don't want to be a part of that type of a context of the situation and Everybody's going.

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Well, you know y 'all should y 'all should do y 'all should get together we should use this an opportunity to build unity and to Debate and you know all the rest this kind of stuff.

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It's like what wait a minute when when Jeff was asked to do this Stephen Wolfe wasn't even in the list as far as he can remember and He was not asked to come to debate

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Stephen Wolfe on natural law Theories or political theories or any of the rest of this kind of stuff?

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and It's just like a bunch of people came up with the idea that you know You know, you have to you have to support this you have to be a part of this.

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It's like why? a lot of us are sort of sitting back going Ah You're pretty concerned about the direction a lot of this stuff is going right now and One thing that I've tried to explain 14 dozen times now is that Sacralistic Christian nationalism

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I Not only reject it I'll fight it gladly

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We've been there before that was Christendom 1 .0 and There are there are few things that have

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More denigrated the gospel of Jesus Christ Than the old

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Christendom where you have people naming the name of Christ who couldn't Explain the gospel to you if their life depended on it and Paul called them pseudo

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Delphoi false brethren But there are people running around going it's better have false brethren than these secularists.

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Well, that's a that's a that's a category error That that's comparing apples and oranges you're you're you're putting things together that should never be put together, but that's what's happening

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Sadly, I love the place. So anyway all this stuff happened a couple days ago and You know,

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I've written a few things to a few few individuals to say hey, wait a minute

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What on earth are you talking about? You know, there's immediately there Apology has fallen

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Oh Man the drama just just really really astonishing

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But about three weeks ago an

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Individual by name of Sam Costner Samuel Costner, I think of his law of his full

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ID on Twitter. It means anything Posting a I think an 11 Tweet thread on August 31st, so it's been you know, right not quite three weeks

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And I saved it I bookmarked it and So I'd like to I'd like to run through it because it addresses some important stuff and there are some

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Scriptural passages at the end. I think be worth looking at so I hope you don't mind if I do that this is sort of my way of Responding to stuff without having to sit there and type and type and type all day long and Hope it doesn't get

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Deleted by various social media outlets So He Quotes me he listened to various a couple of the dividing lines we did and So he

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Says I I see six things here. I don't get it papist theology extrapolation error symbolism serious parody and theology of protection

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Okay, so Lots of graphics and all these two I I don't get it.

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He said this a lot fair enough. He doesn't Just for Sam's understanding when

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I say I don't get it what I'm saying is I detect Inconsistency a lack of foundation incoherence contradiction whatever else

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You might say so when I when I when I look at reformed men Claim to be reformed.

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I've used the term ostensibly reformed and everybody just rolls their eyes. Oh, so mean and again from my perspective if you can

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Look at a theological context that involves Relics and indulgences.

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Okay. Can't talk about the Crusades that relics and indulgences not possible the true cross the spear that that pierced

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Jesus aside being dug up during the siege of Antioch and all the rest is kind of stuff if if you can

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Talk about Historical context where indulgences and Relics were involved without Revulsion at the fact that this is such a

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Mockery of the gospel and that the

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Reformed always knew that I Mean that's not something, you know the the the

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Reformation as a whole Developed its Mariology starting in the second and third generations.

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The original Reformers didn't touch that was a 10 -foot pole part of the reason being that what

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Rome believes today on those subjects hadn't even developed as far as you know, bodily assumption and Dogmatically the immaculate conception and and that kind of thing anyway

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So if you can lionize people at the expense of The very essence of the gospel

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I Don't get it, which means I'm saying you're being inconsistent self -contradictory and Therefore should stop in your tracks and go.

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Okay, where'd I miss it? What am I trading for what that's been my point all along So he doesn't seem to understand that But then he says a reminder to try to get it before ripping a demographic ripping a demographic the

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The number of times people, you know, just last night somebody said something to me online You're making a political statement and you hate political statements.

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You don't think we should ever do anything political Just Wrote back and said, um

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Seems to me you've only been reading what other people say about me and not actually listening to me.

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I Don't I don't know how You could listen to me for the past six months There's a lot of people who complain.

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I talk too much about that kind of stuff But it's just like What color is the sky in your world?

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You're living on another planet. I don't I don't get it. It's strange and so The the meme is well, you're you're ripping all young people.

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No, not I know all sorts of young people That haven't jumped on this crazy bandwagon They're just not as loud they don't do as much meaning

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That's because they're outside abortion clinics and they're working in pro -life centers and they're doing evangelism amongst the various groups that we've been doing evangelism for all along and so they don't have time to be necessarily cosplaying

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You know the reform the Crusades or something. All right fine but But we even talked about recently a thread that I dove into Where stuff is being said about me personally

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Apologia that all the elders by name this pure fiction It's pure fiction.

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We never it it was just made up and The problem is you get into these groups, especially the red avatar blue -eyed group and that's kind of stuff just gets passed around like it's gospel and So, I don't know what you mean by ripping a demographic is

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Talking about red avatar blue -eyed group. Is that a demographic? That's a demographic based upon behavior

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That has nothing to do with young people. I'm very thankful for young people who are

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Committed to being disciplined and I don't mean disciplined and going to the gym.

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That's fine and wonderful you know There is there is a time when people would criticize me

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Because I talk about, you know, I'd post a picture of a sunrise and I do miss this part. I'll have to admit and I post all these beautiful pictures of sunrises and I was 30 miles from home when the

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Sun was rising Because I had gotten up at 2 15 a .m and had been on the road for hours on my bike and People like you sure do spend a lot of time exercising and that a lot a lot a lot, you know and Until arthritis heart condition hernia and There's a fourth thing loss of memory

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That's until all that stuff Hit me I was thin as a rail and Sub 10 % body fat and all sorts of fun stuff like that oh, then age hits you and I'm a lot bigger than I would like to be now, but I'm still on track for 7 ,000 miles on bike.

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I did a 100 kilometer bike race down in Wilcox two weekends ago

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That was exactly two weekend two weeks after hernia surgery. And yeah

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Was that comfortable? No. No, was I slower than I had been the year before? Yeah. Yeah Well, actually 2020 was last time

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I did but I'm still pushing. I'm still trying So it has nothing to do with ripping a demographic for wanting to be fit

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I told my I told my daughter years ago that once you got into mid -30s, she was gonna she was gonna

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Get fit and everything and she has and she's looking great And she's lifting weights and posting all sorts of stuff about, you know

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Living healthy and all the rest that kind of stuff got nothing against any of that. No It always is a temptation to turn it into an idol

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It's always a temptation to take for granted the health that you have to be able to do those things

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It's always a temptation to look down at others without knowing what their

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Context is They may be living hand -to -mouth and working three jobs and can't do all of that stuff

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They may be taking care of aged parents. There's all sorts of stuff That's so easy to overlook and be so proud of your your big biceps and all the rest that kind of fun stuff but so the the lying meme out there is

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I'm somehow against being fit and things like that and Yet when it comes to cycling I could ride the vast majority off my wheel

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You'd have to be able to be going three four hours to Hang with me. I've still got it.

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So No, it has nothing to do with any of that kind of stuff. So I'm not ripping a demographic, but I do say

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It says recently young men have made great strides against lady folly Okay Perhaps mocking their fitness and facial hair isn't a path to path to reaching them.

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Hmm. Hmm It is obvious to me that there are people who will this is this is the advantage of being in your seventh decade

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I've seen this stuff come and go and the big new thing comes along and everybody gets into it

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Ten years later. No one. Can you remember what it was? And what does it cost you to do that kind of stuff to jump?

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into this jump into that What if I always try to model and teach for people the generations coming up after me?

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Consistency focus upon When you get to the end of your life finish, well

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That's not done by running from one big thing to the next big and right now

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You know, I just think of that video of that muscular guy massive beard hair everywhere with a axe in his hand

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Wearing nothing but swim trunks jumping off a cliff Into the water, you know

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And everyone's like, oh that's really cool I suppose as long as you make sure there's nothing in the water in the way

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But How long does that last and What about people just they want to do all that, but they can't

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They're not built to do that. They don't They may feel like they want to but God has not blessed them with that kind of physical prowess

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Are they meant are they lesser than than everybody else? fact the matter is that God gives to us gifts according to his calling and What I have tried to teach young people down through the years is to be rooted and grounded in a deep

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Faith in and commitment to the consistency and inspiration of the Word of God to have

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Jesus view of scripture and to be used by him in his service in Such a way that the world

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Won't understand your priorities But as Paul wrote to the

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Colossians even to the slaves Servants obey your masters as under the

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Lord or it's not men that you serve as men pleasers But Christ who sees your heart will always reward you for the work that you do

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Live quietly peaceably I mentioned this morning the things that Paul recommended to us in Philippians chapter 4 and And while those was it was a reasonable mind gentleness and These are these are not the things that the world values

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But they are the things that scriptures the scriptures direct us toward and so There are lots thankfully by the

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Spirit's guidance lots of young men who recognize that the calling upon their life is

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Not to be a Christian Arnold Schwarzenegger. It is to be an

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Adoniram Judson Someone who gives it all leaves everything behind Goes to the foreign land goes to the place where there's gonna labor and obscurity

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Could die he killed he has Most of his children die

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Multiple wives because of death All sorts of friends who die right in front of him

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He's imprisoned tortured There's a there's a life that Was lived well was lived very very well and He never had big muscles and he never did any of that kind of stuff the strength that he cultivated was spiritual it was it was consistency and I haven't changed on any of that no one

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No one had you know, this is again All this new stuff that just keeps flying in there and it does seem that for younger people

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It there needs to be something new every couple months because the old stuff gets Boring.

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It's it's sort of like how many young people Young guys were presuppositional. It's only a few years ago.

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And now they're they're to mystic evidentialists and who knows what they're gonna be next A Christian maturity does not require an upgrade every two years

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You don't need the new the new bigger number what are we up to on iPhones? What is it now 16?

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Well, you don't know you're Yeah, yeah, I don't know 15 16 something like that, you know,

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I think I've got a 12 Something along those lines. I don't know But that's the mindset is that the bigger the number need to upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade got in to get the new thing and my position all along has been

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You know what Spirit of God 1 .0 Does not need an upgrade calling to serve others

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Without being seen by the world Doesn't need an upgrade At all, so yeah,

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I'm not Didn't do any of that a papist theology. One of the chief fears.

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I Guess is this is being ascribed to me one of the chief fears that the young reformed and red -pilled are

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Unaware that Roman Catholic doctrine is heretical from my limited perspective

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I'd say he's correctly assessed a solid 0 .6 percent of the group. The problem isn't non -existent, but almost

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Well, Sam you're very foolish How many hours have you spent

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Sam? Oh, you're bragging again, no How many hours have you spent

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With people who were getting ready to damage churches damage their families

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By crossing the Tiber and becoming Roman Catholic I spent hours talking And the vast majority of you could never engage a

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Roman Catholic apologist Because you just assume. Oh, yeah, we know it's it's it's it's radical.

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Why? Why and as I said earlier

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If the Crusaders Were going to the holy lands

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There's nothing in Scripture. It makes them holy in that sense You know if God wants to take

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Jerusalem back he's He's gonna do it. It's it's not a matter of us having to Do that for him, but if if the

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Crusaders are gonna go to the holy lands based upon the promise of eternal life Initially Pope Urban Probably was mainly thinking of like a plenary indulgence and then it grew up from there

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And we get that that's fine The point is Why don't indulgences repel you they repel me

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I mean I've done a debate It's one of one of the toughest debates because man,

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I'm gonna tell you something. I Have discovered that many of you are going. Oh, we we love your debates.

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You actually haven't listened to them I would I would love to take some of these guys and Take my opponents

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Presentation I debated like again while the sharpest Roman Catholic apologists have ever encountered

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And one of the reasons being he all he listens he listens to me and reads me So unlike many who just walk in figuring there's nothing the other side has say he's always well -prepared

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I debate him on indulgences in Northern Ireland of all places in Belfast, Northern Ireland I would love to take some of you guys just take his opening statements and rebuttals and Just play them and then let you respond.

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It would be really enjoyable For us because I don't think most of you guys do know

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I really don't I? Don't think you Understand the whole system and how it fits together and how it's related and how so much this theology had been

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Developing in the centuries up until the time of the Crusades and would continue developing afterwards at the fourth

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Lateran Council, which is where I personally would identify the real origination of Roman Catholicism Because until you have transubstantiation,

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I just don't think you really have the modern Roman Church that's 1215 fourth

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Lateran Council, so You know contemporaneous with at least getting toward the end of the crusading period but I don't think you guys do and The fact the matter is if you're going to Ignore the authority that called the

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Crusades the theology that informed it There's going to be a bunch of folks who once they start reading on their own discover what that authority was what that theology was and Are you gonna be prepared when they decide?

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You know what? I'm just gonna go all the way with this. I'm not gonna go only halfway with you I'm gonna go all the way

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Because some of the most Virulent defenders the Crusades online are

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Roman Catholic Well, why might that be? Because they were Roman Catholic that's why and So if you're gonna lionize these people, it's gonna be really hard really really hard to consistently disconnect the theology from what they did most historians do it because Especially Western historians who don't have any particular commitment to theology and things like that.

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They know they don't really care But it can't be done It cannot be done consistently and that needs to be kept in mind

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So I'd say he's correctly assessed a solid 0 .6 percent I'd give you a really failing grade of F on that and I Don't think you know what you're talking about that extrapolation error

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SAT test If 16 people make objectionable comments on the internet how many reformed dudes are false converts?

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It just doesn't really work Yes, you can drag someone's cockeyed tweets onto a podcast and flog them but doesn't help anything so in other words if I read the comments made by red avatar blue -eyed guys with 1689 in their bio

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Doesn't really mean anything. And what does that really accomplish? Well, it tells us that there is a dangerous and deceptive philosophy

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Permeating through the means of social media into our churches and I don't know this fellow

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But I know me and my fellow elders are quite concerned about it because we see where it's come from and we see where it's going and that seems to be one of the reasons why

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You know when I became an elder at Phoenix from Baptist Church We held off on it for a while because the idea was there's something about being

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Elder and being an elder. Don't look don't put your hand. Don't lay your hands on a neophyte a novice

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There needs to you know as you get older you start seeing things you didn't see when you were younger and You see where things go and you see how dynamics fit together and we see where this is going to go and the dangers that it can present and We're we're going

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Hold your horses You know, they're there are better ways of expressing your frustrations and All your youthful energy and things like that.

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There are Significantly better ways of doing that significantly more Christian ways of doing that But again

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Yeah, I just simply was reading What they themselves said symbolism and then there's this picture again of a

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Christian Knight got the cross Sword You know all these

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AI generated Things at a basic level, what do people think when they see the classic

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Crusader? Well, let me just ask a question Have these people done any studying

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But what books have they read Do they know anything about the time period they know anything about the

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Form of warfare Do they know anything about? the theology Although I second some and if they have read books have they read only one kind of book so have you read modern revisionist stuff that is reacting to What has happened within Islam over the past 20 years the

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Islamic resurgence? Well, really 40 years

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That Is that all all they're basing it on what have they actually read if they read it balanced

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Analysis of the history and things like that. These are some of the questions that have to be asked

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Honestly, they don't think of the empty papal promises or the various tragedies or Catholic errors

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They see a fighter and a cross a man and a cause So they're seeing a fake

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AI Right, so we're to lionize fiction so Why not lionize?

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The second Terminator who's a good guy You know who's been turned to the good side

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It's fictional. It's not even human. So We don't seem to be concerned about history.

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We don't seem to be concerned about theology So, let's just Let's just have

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AI write some new epic stories for us that have no connection to history and what God's doing at all

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Why not? You know, I mean that looks great it's just fictional this this this person came into this land

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I'm looking at the graphic here. This person came into this land on false promises

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May or not even had understanding of the gospel and what's worse is he's been in many instances lied to about the enemy that he's going against just as they've been lied to and in reverse and you're gonna

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Hack folks hack folks up Based on Stories about bad stuff that happened 200 300 400 years before you've come along And this is what we're supposed to do

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Again if you Don't recognize the papal promises You don't recognize the tragedies or Catholic errors

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Then you're not dealing with history You're dealing with fiction. So if what you're saying is hey, we just we just need symbols

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Doesn't matter if they're fictional Doesn't matter if they have any connection history at all. In fact, we can just make up whatever history you want.

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Why not? Why not? This continues the site in the sentence, but they see a fighter and a cross.

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Am I the only one? who thinks that taking the cross of Christ, which was despised by the world a message of weakness and Turning it into a military symbol is utter foolishness

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Am I the only I thought most of us we used to agree with that, but evidently there's been a big shift big big shift and So now it's it's cool to do that to slaughter the infidel not a murderer or criminal

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But a man putting himself in harm's way To take God's justice into dark places where terror still rules now that sounds awesome

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That sounds awesome, how do you take

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God's justice into dark places where terror still rule? today

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Today how do you do it? Add an iron

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Judson did it All those brave Christians living in Muslim lands today

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Do that every day? But here's the problem They don't have a cross on their chest.

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They don't have a sword in their hand or an ar -15 they do it by patient godly living and Demonstrating to the people around them that they have something

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That those other people don't have and Man that does That that's not exciting enough for me except that's the call on the

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Christian Right, isn't it is isn't isn't that what we're commanded to do in Scripture.

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I thought it was You know So, how do you take

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God's justice into dark places if you don't shine the light of the gospel? Were they shining the light of the gospel all the sources doesn't matter revisionist

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Historical whatever all the sources say the same thing. There was no attempt to convert the

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Muslims None And I don't see any effort to convert the

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Muslims in the modern crusader mindset either and So who's actually bringing

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God's justice? Hmm who's actually doing it?

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And Can you can you establish God's justice by the edge of the sword? Oh, he can he can use whatever means he wants the question is as Christians what are we called to do?

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Are we called to use the edge of the sword? To establish God's justice and that's where you're really starting to get into all the sacralism stuff

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Which we can't talk about because sacralism that's bad. Ah, is This a myth error

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Yes, if so make that the issue always have Always have from the first things

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I said about this. I can't make people here But yes, it's a myth error

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Don't mock men's imperfect attempts to turn back the poisonous tide of a feminization.

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Whoa Yeah, I Didn't get the clutch in in time for that one

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Talk about a shift. Whoa So now

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We just leapt from taking God's justice into dark places where terror still rules to turning back the poisonous tide of a feminization

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Okay Look maybe young people have to see this type of a feminization a whole lot more than I do

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Um it you know feminist movement

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I've Almost everything I know about it today. I've learned from my own daughter who has been opposing it for a long long time so evidently at least

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I instilled in her a Sufficiently strong and robust commitment to biblical truth and a

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Christian worldview that She has been involved doing that kind of thing. I guess that's what you're supposed to do

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Give yourself, you know invest in your children. I do that type of thing But I don't see how

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I guess you're turning back the poisonous tide of a feminization by Taking up a sword and the graphic here is of this this helmeted

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Crusader With his shield and a torch in the darkness protecting little kids.

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That's That's sweet That's wonderful But little kids and children died by the tens of thousands during that time period and Both sides were guilty of Horrific slaughter and I again just go it's the myth error.

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You are you are using a myth. You're using fiction To try to try promote something that's good

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But you don't need the fiction to promote the good It's called self -sacrifice to protect children.

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You don't have to do that with a Cross on your chest and a sword in your hand serious parody

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This is a chasm between Millennials slash zoomers and boomers I'm so sick of it.

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I am just so glad I grew up without any of that I don't I honestly don't did we have any words for for our adult for our parents generation?

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Well, yeah they were called the greatest generation because World War two, but We just didn't think this way

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This is a divisive foolishness to think that you can actually identify

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Generations and just make them all guilty or praiseworthy for the same thing, whatever

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I would I never saw myself as even a part of my generation I stood up I stood up I stood apart as a

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Christian, you know It was it was the it was following Christ or following the way of the world. It didn't matter what generation you were in I just don't get any of this stuff.

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I really well again, I don't get it because it doesn't make any sense It's like you've you've you've accepted the kind of divisiveness

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That has been offered to you and I'm seeing it all over the place it's amazing

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This the chasm between Millennials zoomers and boomers and everyone should be aware of it young ish men

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What is that by the way? make memes and statements that are Simultaneously and Serious, I think there's a word in this thing.

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Maybe funny humorous. I Don't know. I just seemed when I read it that are you looking at it?

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Oh, you don't see it. Okay They've no plans to hack anyone on battle

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But they know we need that kind of courage Okay, how but how do you produce?

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from a Christian perspective The Apostle Paul Stoned beaten imprisoned multiple times

01:00:15

Never called For his for the Christians to rise up in armed

01:00:21

Rescue of him from the Roman soldiers city When he encouraged

01:00:28

Timothy and it seemed that Timothy had some timidity issues

01:00:35

When he encouraged Timothy to be strong in the Lord What was the foundation of that was it

01:00:45

Timothy didn't seem to be all that healthy either He had frequent stomach problems and you know maybe it was the creatine at the gym that he was having some problems with or something like that, but He seemed to have some stomach problems.

01:01:00

He probably wasn't, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger And yet two of the most important epistles in New Testament are addressed to him and He is told that he has been not but he has not been given a spirit of timidity but of what power and of love and of discipline sound mind

01:01:24

How do you how do you?

01:01:31

Cultivate that how do you is that is that not? the courage

01:01:38

That the scriptures say we are to have Courage to stand against a world that is opposed to the

01:01:46

Christian message. Does it? You know, what how does what was this courage end up looking like and In all of church history

01:02:00

Why do we have to go to the Crusades to see this curry Let me suggest some other images of curry when the plague came into Strasbourg Calvin and Pharaoh had been kicked out of Geneva after their initial time there and When the plague came into Strasbourg many people

01:02:29

By now by by the 1530s, you know, the plagues been around for 160 years and so it's coming and going and and once it starts in a town the rich people

01:02:43

Scatter the hillsides they get out of there They've learned They don't understand germ theory yet, but get out of town

01:02:56

Know what Calvin did? Calvin stayed and ministered to the sick members of the

01:03:02

French congregation in Strasbourg. I Suggest to you that's far more courage Than it takes to be on a horse charging into battle

01:03:12

It's a different kind of courage, it's a self -sacrificing

01:03:17

Oh, but a crusader can have self -sacrificing courage. Yeah, I suppose so but again, what are the motivation and why do we need that example and not

01:03:30

Calvin's example or Zwingli did the same thing. He risked. He actually got it.

01:03:36

He actually got to play and recovered. Why not Athanasia?

01:03:44

Athanasius never swung a sword at anybody. He didn't put a cross on his chest. He didn't hack unbelievers up He didn't hack

01:03:52

Aryans up, but he was kicked out of his church five times sometimes with 5 ,000

01:04:02

Roman soldiers coming in the front door while he's sneaking out the back and he lived in the desert and He wrote his letters

01:04:11

Under threat of death and he stood against the whole world Athanasius contra mundum. Why isn't that the example and his?

01:04:22

cause Was quite just Wasn't it?

01:04:28

Yeah Now, okay, how do we define this courage theology of protection?

01:04:37

these guys parents Shouldn't have let them watch gladiator when they were 10, but they did

01:04:46

Ever since then they've been aware that the forces of darkness were trying to feminize them and deep down they knew

01:04:53

They should be blood and guts men well,

01:05:00

I saw gladiators seven times in the theater when I came out and one of the reasons

01:05:06

I enjoyed it so much is Bill Clinton was president and the point is

01:05:14

Here is political power That was not wanted yeah here was here was an actor and The role he was playing was far better than the actor himself.

01:05:28

That's for sure as is normally the case but the contrast between a true man and The Sycophantic stuff.

01:05:43

I mean man, we look back at Clinton now and go Wow in comparison. We got now yikes my of how things have changed, but he's the one that brought up gladiator and The forces of darkness that were trying to feminize them

01:06:01

Okay, I don't remember that being the primary thing and gladiator at all

01:06:09

I am Maximus Decimus radius, you know that whole wonderful, you know

01:06:16

Seeing that I that it was just it gives you goosebumps. I Don't remember anything about feminization there.

01:06:22

And in fact the women in gladiator were quite feminine but Jovial warriors prayerful guardians strong and wise gentle with babies bold in gospel proclamation

01:06:35

Fearless in the face of death. That sounds great. Are you telling me that our?

01:06:45

church our tradition can't provide you with the necessary examples of that you've got to go to Rome and the

01:06:56

Crusaders acting outside of the power of the gospel Why that's why

01:07:04

I keep saying I don't get it We reformed folks or if you don't want to include me in that anymore that's fine, too but we reformed folks were the ones who started the modern missions move and so many of those people that Left it all behind never came back

01:07:27

There's self -sacrificing some people question their wisdom.

01:07:34

They question their wisdom then But they had an eye toward eternity

01:07:42

Gentle with babies. Well, you know what I've been thinking about something if you take the gospel out

01:07:50

What you have to with the Crusaders if you take the gospel out then you can lionize anybody you want

01:07:58

Lionized Saladin, why not? The gospel doesn't have anything to do with it, right?

01:08:05

Great military leader everybody admitted it the Crusaders respected him I've used the example of World War two

01:08:14

Erwin Rommel Field Marshal Erwin Rommel the German army the

01:08:19

British respected him Patton thought he was brilliant and They respected him not just as a general, but they respected him by that how he treated his prisoners

01:08:29

He wasn't a Nazi So why not lionize

01:08:35

Rommel? You know because as long as As long as the gospel isn't the issue.

01:08:42

Let's just be honest. That's the only place That's the only direction you guys can go with it is To say yeah, we're trying to give

01:08:50

Christians Models to follow but we just don't think that Christianity can really provide it in itself.

01:09:02

We need to we need to take the cross of Christ despised by the world a message of weakness and Reverse it.

01:09:14

That's the great tragedy. I mean crusade as you know crusade from the term crux cross

01:09:22

So the Crusader was a person who took the cross but the meaning of Jesus saying take up your cross and Pope Urban saying take up your cross

01:09:35

Unless you're a Roman Catholic are on opposite ends of the spectrum

01:09:42

Right Yes, no, maybe Before you laugh at that last bit have you done the math of the third world invasion they have

01:10:01

Well, you know if you're talking about okay, are you talking about? The traitors in the

01:10:06

United States opening the borders the rest of world, okay

01:10:13

What are you doing about that? Are you talking about Europe is The West committing suicide, yes, why?

01:10:24

It's spiritual it's called rebellion it's called having had so much gospel light and rebelling against it and loving sin and depravity and Hating well, it's it's called loving the culture of death

01:10:43

Yeah, you don't you don't change that with a sword

01:10:50

There's only one thing that can save Western culture if it's going to be saved at all maybe it just needs to go away and what takes its place will collapse and That's when you begin to see things going the right direction maybe

01:11:06

I don't know But I You know third world invasion

01:11:15

You can go over to Africa and find remember what Matt Walsh did I love what Matt Haven't seen this movie.

01:11:21

Have you seen a new movie? Yeah, I haven't seen it either.

01:11:28

I'll wait until it's available online I'm not a big I just my wife does love salty popcorn

01:11:38

She always saves some for me when she brings it home, but Anyway but you know when

01:11:44

Matt Walsh went to Africa for what is a woman and interviewed the tribal leader in this

01:11:52

Tribe somewhere in the interior of I don't know where it was Uganda or something and the look on their faces about Transgenderism and stuff like that.

01:12:01

There is more common sense in Tribal Africa then there is in universities of Europe in the

01:12:09

United States. Why it's rebellion It's a revolution It's the culture of death

01:12:17

How do you inculcate the culture of life by further death or by the proclamation of the gospel of life

01:12:28

It seems like the answer to these things is not that difficult Really really seems pretty obvious to me

01:12:37

They know their grandchildren Here you go. Their grandchildren will ask them why they didn't level the abortion mills sooner

01:12:47

Level them in what way? Level them in what way? What are you talking about doing?

01:12:54

Are you talking about doing what the Crusaders did? with many cities Killing everybody and leveling the building

01:13:03

Or are you talking about abolishing human abortion in the only way it can be by changing people's hearts and mind

01:13:12

Which is it going to be why they didn't have their theology of protection worked out before they were 40

01:13:22

Why they didn't do more I just wonder

01:13:33

Sam When you're 60 What questions will your grandchildren ask of you and can you even predict right now

01:13:48

Can't because we don't know what the future holds again.

01:13:54

I don't speak for a generation and it's foolishness To continue expecting people to do so but I Wish I knew

01:14:10

When I was 25 what I know now That's sort of how life is supposed to go and that's one of the reasons

01:14:20

Why the Proverbs and the Psalms Direct us

01:14:26

Direct us when we were younger to show respect to those who are older than as I did.

01:14:35

I was taught to do that. I I'm thankful that I did.

01:14:41

I can give you numerous examples because age gives you perspective you get to see things

01:14:51

But it also Gets you to have to admit things. I've admitted in this program over it I can't believe how many people on Twitter said have you ever admitted you're wrong about anything?

01:15:04

Like yeah, just a few times I wish

01:15:10

I had had a longer view as a young person

01:15:16

I Honestly blame some of that on the form of eschatology.

01:15:22

I was taught which discouraged you from having a long view of anything. I Mean, I've I've told you 88 reasons why

01:15:32

Christ's return in 1988 or was it 84 reasons? It was 88, um, you know all that kind of stuff

01:15:41

Olive tree, you know 1948 to 1988 40 years the whole yeah, that was part of it that that discourages you from thinking long -term

01:15:49

Okay, but there were people in my generation that weren't all caught up in that. And so they were thinking more long -term

01:15:59

But It would be wonderful if as a young person you could have a

01:16:08

Full understanding of what challenges you were going to face 30 years from now But life doesn't work that way and so Could I have done things better for my kids?

01:16:21

Yeah But did I Seriously seek to give them the foundation that they would need

01:16:32

To interact with and respond to The changes that I could not foresee in the future

01:16:41

I did I did I did They can do moral math and societal analysis at the same time a dissolving country an able body

01:17:00

Which is a gift of grace by the way and God's law in your hand is a weighty combination

01:17:11

Where's the gospel? Oh It says

01:17:16

God's law. Yeah But what's the power of God in the salvation? What's the one power given to the church?

01:17:25

You see once you lionize the Crusades you've lost the gospel not because you forgot what it is but you have said that it is no longer even relevant to creating great moral character a dissolving country due to sin and rebellion an able body which you don't know is going to be able tomorrow you don't know it's gonna be able tomorrow and God's law in your hand

01:17:57

Well, I hope you really mean that is a weighty combination

01:18:05

The world itself may fall on their shoulders soon if you mean now you're talking about grandchildren

01:18:12

I'm talking great -grandchildren. My oldest granddaughter is almost 15.

01:18:18

So yeah, I Pray to God.

01:18:23

I'll get to hold my great -grandchildren. I pray to God. I'll get to talk with my great -grandchildren and There are numerous young men in this country

01:18:38

I've talked to places like g3 Local churches as I'm traveling.

01:18:43

I've looked him in the eye and I said you're the next generation You're gonna face challenges

01:18:49

I've never faced So I appreciate your kind words as to what the ministry is meant to you, but I sure hope it has

01:18:58

Laid a foundation for you in the future and doing that for a long time long time

01:19:05

Sam They don't want to Biffett well, you know what not up to them if they're not gonna

01:19:17

Biffetts because the Spirit of God Enables them to not Biffett. They had hoped for help in these things.

01:19:26

Here's the thing that just 40 years of Defending scripture

01:19:39

Explaining how scripture is our foundation Explaining what it teaches about God We have to know our

01:19:49

God to worship him. We have to know our God to be able to serve the deity of Christ the gospel itself resurrection

01:20:02

These are foundational fundamental things that all of a sudden it seems like some of you now take for granted

01:20:11

They had hoped for help in these things and they got it they got it

01:20:19

In fact, I'm doing that right now because I don't want to live another 10 year and be sitting here in another glorious kitchen to riches

01:20:36

Maybe by then he'll be colorblind and You were doing so well,

01:20:43

I was doing so I Do not want to sit here Ten years from now

01:20:50

Now somebody call in the program and go, you know,

01:20:56

I was young believer. I got caught up in the hypermasculinity super patriarchy jumping off cliffs with massive beards and and and stuff in my you know, hammers in my hands and axes and and You know,

01:21:13

I I have a huge Crusader tattoo in the middle of my chest and it hurts so bad and and I Never got grounded and I got sucked off into all sorts of weirdness

01:21:28

And I did a whole bunch of stupid stuff Why didn't you warn me? Well, I did

01:21:38

I Did why didn't you why didn't you direct me to what could would keep me stable?

01:21:46

For my entire life what we're doing What we're doing Right now that's the whole point of it.

01:21:55

That's the whole purpose of it. You know, I'm a grandparent.

01:22:05

I Raised my kids So I know there are times when your children You correct them you discipline them.

01:22:13

You don't let them have the things they want and they become angry You don't love me.

01:22:19

I hate you We've all heard it We've all experienced it.

01:22:25

It's a part of Life and right now

01:22:31

I hear a lot of young people going you don't love me Because I'm going the direction you're going will lead you to disappoint.

01:22:39

It will not give you long -term satisfaction I may not live long enough to hear a

01:22:54

Lot of people saying thank you Heard some already but So what?

01:23:02

Still gotta do what's right Look at it was right. I have never been a flash in the panner.

01:23:10

There was a There was an instance just real briefly here. There was an instance back when what was the year?

01:23:21

When The Mark Hoffman stuff took place the subject Mormonism. Most of you don't have any idea who

01:23:26

Mark Hoffman was but There was a big thing. He was a forger and he produced forgeries that the

01:23:34

Mormon Church even accepted as being Authentic he was he was good at it.

01:23:39

They started killing people who knew what he was doing and then he got caught and he's Still imprisoned

01:23:46

I think up in Utah Anyway a lot of quote -unquote anti Mormon ministries

01:23:58

Jumped on to the stuff he was producing. It's called the salamander letter and You know,

01:24:07

I'm reading this stuff and That's really one of the primary areas we were involved with at the time.

01:24:12

It's how we started was Mormonism, but there was one ministry

01:24:21

That sat back and went something smells here we're not we're not jumping on this something something's not right here and It was

01:24:31

Gerald and Sandra Tanner Utah Lighthouse ministry and I looked and I followed their lead.

01:24:39

We didn't jump on it. We didn't you know, there were people putting out tracts and all this stuff and and Once the tanners went.

01:24:48

Yeah This doesn't look right. I went you know what?

01:24:55

This could have short -term benefit, but long -term damage and That's that's called wisdom folks.

01:25:07

That's you know, you don't get the flash But you get the conscience the good conscience 30 40 years later, that's what we need

01:25:21

He said dr. White if you read this, I'm not trying to pile on you said you didn't get it and So I'm trying to help provide insight into the group you are so frustrated with Well, it much more seems that they're frustrated with me

01:25:37

That I won't dawn my crusader cross That seems to be where the frustrations coming from I hope to make peace through understanding

01:25:51

And before anyone understands Misunderstands the theology of protection to be informed by Russell Crowe rather than scripture

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Here are just a few of the verses that burn in the back of young men's minds, okay, we'll finish up with this

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Psalm 82 3 through 4 Rescue the weak and needy Delivering them out of the hand of the wicked.

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I'm sorry vindicate the weak and the fatherless do justice to the afflicted and destitute Rescue the weak and needy deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.

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It's context and Those of us deal with Mormonism know what the context is. We all know

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Psalm 82 really well Because these are words addressed to The judges of Israel who were unjust judges.

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Jesus is actually gonna apply this passage to his accusers in John chapter 10 identifying them as unjust judges, but the judges that God Places.

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Well look at Psalm 82 too. How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked?

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That's who he's addressing They are called to vindicate the weak and fatherless do justice to the afflicted and destitute

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Rescue the weak and needy deliver them out of the hand of the wicked and I say to you the way to do that to Christ's glory in the power of the

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Spirit is by faithful Proclamation and application of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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So let that burn the back of your head but that shouldn't

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Logically lead you to Crusaderism it Doesn't seem so Now another one that I Used back in 1989

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Proverbs chapter 24 Deliver those who are being taken away to death and those who are staggering the slaughter.

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Oh hold them back If You say

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See, we did not know this. Does he not consider it who weighs the hearts? Does he not know it who keeps your soul and will he not rent it to a man according to his work?

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Yep, that's why I Don't talk about much by support. For example certain Christian ministries that involve that are involved in rescuing people from sex slavery and International trafficking and Of course

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Just this past week Some of you were attacking Jeff Durbin for not speaking at a conference

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You know what you don't even seem to understand I don't know if you've noticed

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Jeff's beard is gonna be as white as mine before long and That's partly because he just doesn't get enough sleep

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They have three little ones They're calling it Durbin family 2 .0

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Because they already raised their kids he has grandkids he's a grandfather and now they're raising

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Three adopted children one of whom is special needs and He's just didn't just dump that on his wife

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He helps take care of it. But can you name me someone who has stood before more?

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legislatures Testifying to the necessity of protecting giving equal protection to the unborn children than Jeff has

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Every one of you that went after that you should just be ashamed of yourself. That's all there is. You should be ashamed Every one of you and you know who

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I'm talking about Couple more and then we'll wrap up You keep looking at your phone.

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Like you've got to run out the door or something. Okay Nehemiah 414

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When I saw their fear

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I rose and spoke to the nobles the officials and the rest of the people do not be afraid of Them remember Yahweh who is great and awesome and fight for your brothers your sons your daughters your wives and your houses

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Okay, so God called the people of Israel to Well There were laws as to who could and could not be involved in the warfare.

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But yes, there were Israel was used by God to bring judgment upon the pagan peoples of the lands of Canaan.

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Okay, what does that mean now? What was what is what what what echoing is this?

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The next next one is Luke 22 36 where Jesus said, you know by sword. So yes, it is appropriate to do

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It's appropriate to do self -defense I can't believe how many people have assumed that I don't believe that you should defend your family against evil people

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Because they don't seem to recognize the difference between that and invading another land

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Because you've been told that those people in their land are doing terrible horrible things to people that you supposedly like but never even met

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I mean the category issues here are pretty pretty amazing

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But no, I'm not against personal self -defense and in fact Find it quite wonderful Ecclesiastes if this is gonna come up this way, there's only two more three eight a

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Time to love and a time to hate a time for war and a time for peace Yeah so Show me how this is connected to something.

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Well the time for war so we need to go to war Okay, go to war against your flesh

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How about that go to war against the culture of death by spreading life, how about that?

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How about giving yourself in the fight against the culture of death don't join the culture of death by But and don't lionize that kind of stuff but fight culture of death

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Last one that he listed here anyways, and this is all the last of the tweets

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Great a love has no in the nests that one laid down his life for his friends and I cannot think of a single example in the entirety of the

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New Testament where fulfillment of that passage Involved offensive military

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Destruction of the infidels But I can see all sorts of examples Paul laid down his life for his friends through service

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What he called Timothy Sadly some of the apostates in The text of the

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New Testament for people who refused To do that or found it too hard to do for a long period of time but the greatest way to lay down your life your friends is in service and You can go well, but but if someone was breaking breaking your house, okay

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Yeah, that's but that's the rarity. That's not the regular It's easy to think

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I'd have the bravery to do that great. What about tomorrow? What about how you need to lay down your life for your wife or your children or the people in your church tomorrow?

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It doesn't involve you getting to brandish a sword Whip out your gun

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Show the really cool ATF knife you've got Any of that kind of stuff?

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What if it means? Menial service, that's not very flashy is

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Depends on what I'm talking about in the sight of heaven or men haven't earned it

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So I had bookmarked that Back on August 31st or whenever it is.

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I saw it and Now I've provided a response and I hope that Sam finds that useful

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And understands where I'm coming from There's probably stuff that's come in on Twitter since then that Not that look like it

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Anyway, I mean we are on the air, right? Good good

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All right so I believe today is Thursday and I was looking at the calendar and I noted that I've got one two, three.

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Yeah four weeks from today. I pick up the

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RV and Get ready for the next trip which will include the

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Debate in Mobile, Alabama. I hope you'll be praying for that If you want to make these kinds of trips possible

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The Travel fund at a omen org specifically goes to tires and That lovely expensive green fluid.

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Did you know diesel fuels green? Diesel fuel and deaf

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Diesel exhaust fluid smells like the floor of a bathroom and And You cannot fill the tank up without overflowing it and once it dries

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It's white and crusty and ah, it gets everywhere. It's disgusting anyways deaf and diesel fuel and oh that big old truck of mine ten quarts of synthetic oil

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Just for an oil change And We're not even ever yeah, but I'm not even talking about you know packing the bearings and rotating the tires and everything else on the

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RV and all the stuff that happens when that poor little house gets bounced down I 40 or I've got to drive through Louisiana again on this trip and It's Here we go

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And everybody in Louisiana goes, yep, he's right he ain't making fun of us We say this of ourselves all the time and it's it's absolutely true.

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They do come up with excuses, you know It's the clay soil and it's this and yeah, whatever.

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It's still a mess. But anyhow Travel fund at a omen org is how you can help us with that.

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So Should be fairly straightforward next week

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Uh, yeah, yeah, it looks like looks like it should be ah, I'm Yeah, I think 24th 26 should work next week and we'll try to get together them