Our Biggest Year Yet! Partner With Us In 2024!

Hi, everybody, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin, the head of End Abortion Now. I wanna start this by, from the bottom of my heart, thanking all of you who have been a part of this ministry with us since the very beginning.

When we started End Abortion Now, we wanted to save lives. And when we started that work, God blessed it.

And we have been able to raise up about 1 ,000 churches across the U .S. and really around the world, the

Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, everything was given away for free to these churches.

Nothing was asked of them. We've equipped them, we've raised them up, and now they're saving lives.

God's blessed that work. God also blessed us, as many of you know, in the area of having a prophetic witness, a voice to legislators across the country.

And over the years, through your partnership with us, we've been able to get bills of equal protection and abolition into states across the

United States of America. This next session, we have prospectively commitments from legislators in 18 states across the

United States of America. That's 18 states that are gonna be putting in bills of equal protection and abolition of abortion.

It's incredible. It's overwhelming. It's a huge gift. And what we need this next year, 2024, is we need your prayers.

We need your partnership. We need you to go to endabortionnow .com, sign the statement of equal protection, get connected, get your church involved.

We wanna help you. We also need you to partner with us financially. 2024 actually presents incredible opportunities for us as a ministry.

Not only do we have all of these states that we have bills of equal protection set to go into, but now we have the past history of going and sitting before legislators, sitting in state legislatures, and actually working for these bills of abolition.

The tide is changing. It is truly changing. And with what just took place in Ohio with the ballot measure, it has emboldened many, many

Christians to take a stand once and for all for what is right before God and take a stand for justice for the pre -born children.

Next year, 2024 is going to be our most important and our busiest year we've had yet.

And so I wanna ask you as a brother, as a friend, as a ministry partner, to partner with us again in 2024.

Help us to meet our budget goals so that we can accomplish all that God has given to us to establish justice for these fatherless children and to once and for all end child sacrifice.

Please partner with us. Go to endabortionnow .com to give, pray, and to sign up.

The fact of the matter is if we pass this bill and the Senate passes this bill and the governor signs this bill, it will be enjoined the next day because Roe v.

Wade is still the law of the land. I mean, Roe v. Wade is one of the few decisions most

Americans know by name. And today, the Supreme Court said it's history. Tens of millions of women across the

U .S. do not have their right to an abortion guaranteed by the Constitution. And individual

U .S. states are now legally entitled to ban the procedure. Nearly half of America's 50 states are expected to do so, and 13 have already passed so -called trigger laws, which outlaw or severely restrict abortion automatically following the court's ruling.

It is a momentous decision which has delighted and enraged Americans. So a lot of people believe that abortion is illegal, but in spite of the fact that the pro -life lobby around the country is claiming that there's 13, 14 states that are quote -unquote abortion -free, nevertheless, they're really not.

The clinics are run out of there. There's no more clinics in those states, at least not doing abortions. As far as we know, it's illegal for those clinics to be doing abortions, but there's still abortions going on in those states on their soil completely legally right now, and they are do -it -yourself, self -managed abortions that are still happening.

You know, I grew up in a Christian home. I come from a Christian family. By default, I always considered myself to be pro -life.

I knew that abortion was wrong. I even knew it was murder. And it wasn't until I attended the

National Right to Life Convention in 2017, I got an upfront glimpse at what these national organizations were doing to combat this great evil of our age, this modern -day

Holocaust, and I was absolutely shocked. I remember hearing from the mouth of the president for the

National Right to Life, Carol Tobias, what they actually believed about women that killed their own children.

If the dignity and the value of the unborn child has been established, and we know that, what does that say about the mother who goes through with an abortion?

Is there a logical connection to be made there that there needs to be that same demand for justice for that child, which, do you see?

Oh, I understand the question. The pro -life movement has a lot of women who are active in it who have had abortions, and they very much argue that the mother who got the abortion is also a victim.

She said explicitly, we've never seen mothers who kill their own children as guilty, but as victims.

It was coming from their own mouths, and I couldn't believe my ears. The first time

I spoke to Dr. Brent Leatherwood was at the Southern Baptist Convention when we met in Anaheim, California.

And I asked Dr. Leatherwood if it really was his position that the mother who willfully chooses to kill her own child, not under coercion, not under duress, but a mother who just chooses to kill her child, is she really not guilty before God, and should she really not face any consequences under the law?

Here's the reality. You're not going to get me to say that I want to throw mothers behind bars.

That's not the view of this entity. That is not the view of this convention. It is not the view of the pro -life movement.

You see, if he would have finished the statement, Brent Leatherwood doesn't want to lock up women who murder their children in the womb.

The second time I talked to Brent Leatherwood was at the following Southern Baptist Convention in New Orleans, which is just right down the road from where I pastor my church in Louisiana.

And since Dr. Leatherwood would not answer my first question on whether or not the woman who murders her child by abortion is guilty before God and under the law,

I decided to ask him another question. Okay, you've already told me that you don't believe women who kill their children in the womb should face any consequences under the law.

How about that same child after being born? Should a mother who kills her newborn child face any consequences under the law?

Brian, thank you for that question, and thank you for giving me the opportunity to once again restate where we are.

And I know that this is something that's important to Louisianans in particular, Louisiana Baptists in particular. We have said all along that abortion is murder, and we will never waver from that.

Scripture mandates it. At the same time, I hope,

Brother Brian, I hope that you took something away from the words

I just shared with you, because in that dynamic, there is a pre -born child that's vulnerable, and there's a mother that is vulnerable too.

Dr. Leatherwood did not answer my question at all. He totally avoided it, and he decided to give a pro -life stump speech.

He decided to talk about how pro -life he was and all these other things rather than answer whether or not the woman should be criminalized for killing her born child, her newborn or toddler.

He's not yet answered that question. You know, years ago when we first were engaging this issue, as a pastor,

I was trying to warn other pastors and other Christians that the pro -life establishment didn't actually believe what the

Christian church has always believed when it comes to the pre -born in the womb.

I was trying to tell people that they were saying from the very top, the leaders of the pro -life industry were saying from the very top that they believe that the mother was a victim, that they believe that she should not be punished under any circumstance for taking the life of her child in the womb through abortion because she was also a victim of abortion.

So the pro -life movement for the almost 50 years that it's been in existence has never called for, at least never officially, not as a movement.

There might be a couple of voices out there, have never called for punishing the woman who gets the abortion.

I had an abortion two years ago and I don't regret it. They yanked the fetus out of my uterus and I'm so happy.

I'm so grateful. And I'm a professor at this university and I make more money than you.

And what else? It's not a poor choice. I did it seven times and I don't mind looking at it.

It don't bother me, baby. I am living my absolute best life because I had an abortion and I'd do it again.

The pro -life lobby, right, the ones that are pushing the bills, the ones that are advocating and lobbying the legislature, pretty much universally, there's a belief there that mothers, when it comes to abortions, that mothers are victims, that they're oppressed by society, they're lied to, they're deceived, and all of these things.

They don't really know what they're doing or even if they do, it's other people that are coercing them or forcing them into it. The penalties are for the physician.

Governor, I read the bill. It says just this. It does include jail time and fines for, quote, any person who willfully performs or actively participates in a termination of pregnancy.

And that's for the providers. That is not for the women. We've litigated this. Is a woman not actively participating in the termination of her pregnancy?

No, because she's not a medical practitioner. There are no women. So you are not for criminalizing women? No, no, absolutely not. Every bill that they pass, whether it be a trigger bill or a heartbeat bill or a 15 -week ban, a 20 -week ban, whatever it is, they actually write into every single one of those bills an exception that says that this law does not apply to the mother of the child that's aborted.

That means that you can have a heartbeat ban, you can have a trigger bill, you can ban all the clinics, but you've made it legal for mothers to commit abortions of their own children in that state.

You look at all of these pro -life laws at the state level, what do they say? They define life from the moment of fertilization.

So far, so good. They even put the life of the child in the womb on equal footing as if someone were to harm someone else.

They say that the penalties that should be considered ought to be the same for the person that is not yet born as for the person that is born.

But if you look at these laws, what do they say? This shall be a crime except, and that's a big except, and the exception is for the mother.

Instead of creating a presumption of innocence, instead there is absolute immunity.

That is, no matter how much you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they knew what they were doing, they committed it with miles before thought, they planned it, they went there, they paid for it, or they took it and they did it themselves, right?

They performed their own abortion. They are the abortionists themselves. No matter how much you prove that under the pro -life lobby's laws, they are still completely immune from any kind of legal liability.

They don't want to make abortion illegal for the mother. They only want to make abortion illegal for the abortionists, the abortion industry, for Planned Parenthood, but they want to protect the woman's right to kill her own child.

They want to make it so that the woman who chooses to kill her own child by abortion faces no consequences at all.

She's never guilty. She's never accountable to the same justice system that a mother would be if she killed her newborn child or killed her two -month -old child.

And this is what we have to come to terms with. The pro -life establishment believes that she's never guilty.

When we tell the mother who kills her own child by abortion that she's a victim, we are depriving her of the gospel, which is the only hope for her to be forgiven.

If she hasn't committed a sin, then the blood of Jesus is of no help to her.

The only way that the gospel applies is if we confess our sin. The gospel is a message for guilty people.

It's a message for those that have broken God's law and people do not experience reconciliation and peace with God the

Father unless that comes by turning from sin and toward Jesus Christ in faith, confessing that what they have done, they are guilty of before God.

The Bible says in 1 John 1 -9, if we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us for our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

What the pro -life establishment is doing is telling mothers that it's not a sin for them to murder their child by abortion because they're a victim, not the perpetrator of this sin.

Women who murder their children in the womb need Christ. They need forgiveness, and there is forgiveness.

There is a washing, there is a cleansing, there is the gift of eternal life through faith in Christ alone.

That is what is available to the mother who kills her child. And we need to stand up with a unified voice to say that not only is she guilty, but that child deserves to be protected equally, just like your life and just like mine.

You see, years ago, somebody told me that pro -life organizations in my state where I was, they said, hey, if somebody were to actually submit a bill that treats babies in the womb just like people outside the womb and provides equal protection, they told me they had talked with the pro -life organizations and that those organizations had said, not only would we not support that bill, we would oppose it.

And I heard that and I thought, surely not. Surely that's not true, right?

Isn't that what the pro -life movement wants? I mean, as an average pro -lifer, that's what

I wanted. I thought, oh, well, yeah, we protect them with the same laws that protect us. We protect their lives with the same laws that protect my life.

That's the goal of the pro -life movement, right? Well, it hasn't been. I started writing bills for my state and then other states around the country and seeing these bills submitted by legislators and guess who's the chief proponents coming out and attacking these bills.

The pro -abortion movement hasn't had to lift a finger, really. It's been the pro -life movement that's been coming out and killing these bills.

And these bills are simple. They're not creating some new law. We already have laws against homicide that protect born people.

All these bills do is say, hey, that same law, yeah, that applies to people before they're born. That's it.

That's all that the law does. It's nothing complicated. And yet the pro -life movement, the pro -life lobby in all these states, we've seen it in state after state, every state, where we have put one of these bills forward, it's been the pro -life movement has come out.

A lot of times it's been behind the scenes, but now they've been coming out more publicly because I think the legislators are saying, hey, you need to give us cover.

So we're seeing pro -life organizations now coming out and opposing these bills publicly. Thank you,

Madam Chair and members of the committee. I'm Reverend Jeff Durbin. I'm the head of End Abortion Now, and I'm testifying on behalf of 60 million plus murdered children in our nation.

This particular bill is just a bill of equal protection. That's it. It says something that's unassailable. What's in the womb, of course, we believe is in the image of God.

What's in the womb, incontrovertibly, is a unique, distinct human being. We've been here in history before, members, only it was a different kind of human.

We used to say, I know it looks like a person, it's not a person, it's a black man. We drew a circle around ourselves and said, it's human technically, but we can kill them, we can abuse them.

They did it also in Germany. They said, I know it looks like a human, it's not a human, it's a Jew. We all look back at those atrocities and that evil and tyranny and we say, it's wicked.

It's happening in our day. What this bill says is unassailable. What's in the womb is human from the moment of fertilization.

I call you to establish justice. I call you to do your duty before God. I call you to repent, turn to Christ, establish justice, do what's right before God.

There's a day of judgment in history ahead of us. Please do what's right. I want to thank you so much for your testimony. Missouri, where we got a committee hearing there and we saw that there were two of us that got to testify in favor of the bill.

And then there were only two spots to testify against the bill. And guess who it was? It was the pro -life lobby.

Missouri Ride to Life, Campaign Life Missouri came up and opposed the bill and said, we do not support this bill.

Go ahead, when ready. Thank you, Madam Chair, members of the committee for the record. Susan Klein representing Missouri Ride to Life.

I'm going on record in opposition to the prosecution of women. I believe that all of us are seeking the opportunity to save unborn babies.

And we have done that in our laws. We are part of the group of the national organizations as well as statewide organizations across the

United States that signed on to the paper that basically says, we want to reach out to women and have compassion for them and help them to see that they have alternatives to abortion but we don't want to prosecute them.

A lot of them are being coerced or forced to have abortions and we are not going to participate in that. So we were here for the bill.

SB 356 got about a minute to testify on behalf of the bill which was nerve wracking. And the interesting thing is there was opposition today.

The opposition to the bill weren't purple haired, pink shirted women. The opposition to the bill were from two very respected pro -life organizations in the state of Missouri.

They opposed the bill because according to them, women should be able to murder their children in the womb with impunity.

So ultimately what we've seen is really one of the greatest enemies to the abolition of abortion or equal protection for all humans is the pro -life movement, pro -lifers, pro -life industry.

And so talk about that. How do you feel after viewing all that? Yeah, so we've got about, like you said, about 200 people, 200 abolitionists out here in support of this bill and there were two opponents.

I didn't notice a single pro -abort. I think there was mom's demand action maybe for a gun bill or something. Right, but the two opponents were

Missouri Coalition Life, Missouri Right to Life, and that is the only opposition that we faced today was the pro -life establishment here in the state of Missouri.

That's been the way that it has been, Pastor, in this state now for the last several years. We've had the abolition bills.

We've tried to move them forward and the number one source of opposition has come from these very groups that we saw here today.

And so, yeah, they've exposed, I think, themselves for what they really believe and who they really are.

Members of the committee, Samuel Lee with Campaign Life Missouri to testify in opposition to Senate Bill 356.

I've written testimony here, which I've submitted and emailed to you. Just a couple points.

Last year about this time, many, many national and state groups issued a statement saying that they are opposed.

I'm gonna read that. They're opposed to any measure seeking to criminalize or punish women because it is not pro -life and we stand firmly opposed to such efforts.

And although we were not given an opportunity to join in that statement, we certainly join in the sentiments and the position of those groups, which included

Missouri Right to Life, for example, here in Missouri. I would also point out in my written testimony that since 1825, when

Missouri's first law prohibiting abortion was passed, Missouri has never, ever criminalized a woman for having an abortion and I think that policy should stay the same.

Thank you and I'm happy to answer any questions. There was a report there that we heard that someone said there was a pro -abortion lobbyist that was gonna get up and talk.

Then they saw that the pro -life lobby was, and they're like, oh, okay, well, I'll just let them do it. I'll just let them kill this bill that would protect every single baby in Missouri.

And that's exactly what happened. The pro -life establishment has been thwarting actively, stopping the bills of the abolition of abortion consistently and across the board.

It has not been the pro -choice establishment. It is the pro -life leaders, the pro -life legislators, the pro -life establishment that is not only working quietly to tell the legislators to not pass the bills of abolition and equal protection, they are doing it on the floor at the

House. They are doing it with a collective letter nationally to tell all legislators across the country, do not pass bills of abolition and equal protection.

Do not pass any bill that would lead to the punishment of a person who's engaged in the issue of abortion, the mother.

They are doing it now in such a way that is astonishing. It is astonishing.

I'd like to thank the committee and the chairman for hearing this bill. I know this is not an easy bill to hear. I know it's lots of controversy, lots of heart -wrenching decisions.

You know, I think the pro -life movement would see, we've been waiting 50 years to get to this point.

Well, Sharice and Katie, House Bill 813 is also called the Abolition of Abortion in Louisiana Act of 2022.

What it would do is redefine a person to include fetuses. If it became law in Louisiana, it would extend homicide laws to fetuses as well.

Many Christians don't understand that we had a historic moment in the state of Louisiana, a bill of equal protection that went into the state of Louisiana to protect all human life from the moment of fertilization equally.

It's a very simple bill. Equal protection for all humans from fertilization. This bill actually made it to the hearing.

This bill passed the hearing overwhelmingly. The House Criminal Justice Committee approved

McCormick's Bill 7 -2 last Wednesday. Thank you, committee. It now heads to the House floor

Thursday for debate. If the bill passes the House Thursday, it will go to the Senate for a vote and then to Governor John Bel Edwards' desk.

He historically takes a pro -life stance, but he has not said whether he would veto this bill or not.

The week before the actual votes, we had the legislators in Louisiana looking at the bill saying, well, we're pro -life.

This is the most pro -life bill we've ever seen. It's consistent. Of course we'll pass it. And then that week, the establishment came in.

Multiple prominent pro -life groups have come out against the bill, including Louisiana Right to Life.

Angie Thomas does not support abortions, but she doesn't believe women who have them should be treated as criminals.

We have a longstanding policy of protecting both mothers and children.

We want to love them both. Hopefully, we can make sure that women don't have to choose abortion and that they can be supported.

It's not consistent with our longstanding policy that we want to hold accountable the abortion facility and those performing the abortion, not that abortion -vulnerable women, who we believe in many ways is a victim of legal abortion in America today.

It passed the committee vote. It was on its way to the floor for a vote. And what happened? The pro -life organizations that we trust to represent us at a national level, they sent a letter, a coordinated effort, a strategic front that said, don't you dare pass this bill.

This is not what the pro -life movement has ever been about. And they explicitly mentioned in the letter, why?

Because they have never seen a mother who willfully and intentionally kills her own preborn child as anything more than a victim.

They opposed it. They stood against us. And so the reason that abortion remains legal in the state of Louisiana, pro -life establishment.

What they've done is protected the woman who kills her child by abortion. And now we have more abortion in Louisiana after Roe has been overturned than we did before.

The abortion pill is easily accessible by mail. Thousands upon thousands of women are ordering the abortion pill every year through the mail now.

It is totally legal under both federal law and Louisiana law. And there is nothing to stop this from happening.

They have so codified the woman as a victim that they have made it impossible for us to do anything to stop her from killing that child.

Abortion is legal in every state in our union because of the dirty little secret of the pro -life establishment.

And that is this, they believe that a mother should be able to kill her child in the womb with impunity and immunity.

They do not believe that she's guilty. They do not believe, pastors, that she needs forgiveness for what she's done because she is, they say, a victim.

They've removed the gospel from the equation and they've removed God's standards of justice.

We all want abortion to be abolished for it to be illegal. But in order for it to be illegal, that's be illegal for everyone, right?

I call myself an abolitionist. That means I'm a Christian who believes that murdering anyone should be illegal for everyone.

That's it. That's what it means to abolish something. That's what it means to end it. That's what it means to make it illegal.

But if we say, oh yeah, it's illegal except for the mom, well then, so wait, moms can still legally do it.

Then the mother has a legal right to abortion. Well, then abortion is never gonna end, especially today when the pills are easier to get than they ever were before.

We will never end abortion in this nation, in any state, until the

Christian church actually speaks the truth of what God's word says about the issue of abortion.

And that is this, that child in the womb is in the image of God. That child in the womb deserves equal protection under the law.

The same laws that protect your life and mine should protect that human being, that image bearer of God, in the womb from the moment of fertilization.

The Bible commands us to protect the fatherless, to protect the one who is vulnerable.

And we have a responsibility before God to sound the trumpet for the pre -born, to let people know that these children are being murdered legally every day by the thousands in this nation.

The church needs to exercise her prophetic voice. The church needs to take a center role in this fight once again, standing on the word of God as our foundation, standing on the gospel of Jesus Christ and fighting for justice now.

There is blood on the hands of the people of the United States of America. There is blood on the hands of state legislatures around our nation who could stop child sacrifice, but don't have the courage to stand up for what is right.

We need to have a sense of urgency for these children. We're not waiting for some event in the future.

We're not awaiting a general election, a primary election. We're not awaiting a ballot measure to see what the results of that will be.

We're not counting on the actions of the wicked before we make our move and protect these children from certain death.

No, we want justice now. And that's what we need to be fighting for as Christians because God won't accept anything less.

We have to work as Christians to make sure the light of the gospel is now penetrating the issue of abortion with faithfulness and consistency for the sake of the woman and the child, for the sake of her soul, and for the sake of justice for these fatherless children.

We're gonna give an account for how we fought this fight. And when we stand before God, will we say that we gave it everything that we could?

Will we say that we looked our magistrates in the eye and these organizations and said, no more?

We will protect these children. They will not be exempted from the same justice that protects your life and my life.

God commands us not to murder. Abortion is murder at any age and any stage.

And only the gospel will change our culture, yes. But it's justice that restrains the hand set on shedding innocent blood.

And that's what we have to fight for. And that's what we have to demand. Otherwise, we'll never see it ending.

Many of you I'm sure are aware of what took place in the state of Ohio just recently. A ballot measure was put in that essentially legalized child sacrifice and the slaughter of the pre -born all the way up until birth.

It is truly a horrific thing to imagine. And it passed.

It passed by popular votes. And so you see that the opposition, they are working consistently with their worldview.

They are working without compromise. They are working with boldness in their position. It's time for the

Christians in this nation to stand against this evil with the light of the gospel, the uncompromising truth of God's word.

It's time for us to stand boldly in the public square and to stop the compromise. It's time to tell the truth.

It's time to stand and be ready to lay our lives down for the sake of these children. In 2024, we need you.

God's blessed this ministry, this work beyond what we imagined. And he's done it with your help.

All of these years, it's been Christians just like you that made all of this possible. And so I wanna ask you to join together with us as we take a stand without compromise, consistently, demanding justice for these pre -born children, demanding that the slaughter ends once and for all, legally, help us to establish equal protection for all humans from fertilization across this nation.

Join us in 2024. Go to endabortionnow .com to give. I am very, very lucky.

They slept great through the night, great through the day, well eaters.

I have no complaints. He loves to be cuddled and held, barely ever cries.

I feel like I was blessed and because I made a really positive and good decision, that God blessed me with a really good baby.

My name is Divine. And then this little guy right here is Oliver. And he is seven months old.

Initially, what took me out to the abortion clinic was with my last pregnancy, I was diagnosed with hypermesis gravidarum.

And that is just like excessive throwing up and being really, really, really sick while you're pregnant. And it put me out of work and we were already struggling and trying to recover with our finances.

So it was really probably money issues, I would say. What I remember when I pulled in that day was there were a whole bunch of people standing at the road protesting and I felt very overwhelmed and uncomfortable because I did already have a daughter and I also was adapted.

So I knew every option and other road that I could possibly take on.

And when I saw them, I also felt like a sense of relief when I got there too.

That day I was experiencing a lot of over emotions and I was overwhelmed, stressed and I just didn't really know which way to turn.

Probably also a little numb, I wanna say, just because I didn't fully believe in that decision, having an abortion.

So I was conflicted. And when I went there that day, I already knew that I didn't really wanna go through with having the abortion.

And so when I got out of my car, I did go into the office, but they told me that you needed to do walk -in appointments only.

And when I got there, they told me you needed to call and make an appointment. So they actually had no walk -ins available and it was about an hour drive from my house.

So I would have to go home and find another way to come back. So it felt in a way like it wasn't something that I was supposed to do.

And then as I was pulling away, they came up to my car window because there was a lot of traffic and asked me to roll my window down and I did.

And then we had a nice conversation about why I felt the way I did about having an abortion and where in life and what it was

I was struggling with. They ended up giving me money that day on the spot for groceries because we were short on rent and stuff because I was already getting sick and I was only like eight weeks pregnant.

And they helped me out that week with groceries. And then they also gave me their phone number and told me that I should call them and get in touch with them.

And so it was more me being adopted and just talking about the other routes that I could take that really led me to be like, hey, someone else saved me and showed me a route of love that I know no matter the struggle and mine was only with money that I could still keep my son.

It's hard to imagine if the church wasn't there that day because I don't know what the outcome would have actually been.

I don't know if I would have gone through it with how bad we were struggling, but ultimately

I would have come to the decision, I think, that I would have kept him anyway. But the way my life is going right now with work and family and still living in this state and having full custody of my kids turned out beneficial because if it would have went any other way, he wouldn't be here or I wouldn't be blessed with the job opportunities and everything that has come my way since I was able to keep him.

I could not honestly imagine life without Oliver. He is perfect.

He resembles a lot of his sister. They both took on the date the 12th of the year, so he didn't want her to be the only star in my life.

And then he copied her with the helmet. He's moving and growing so much.

And then I get to see him and work with him every single day, so I couldn't imagine life any other way. He is actually the first boy in my family on my side from my grandparents.

So my dad is thrilled. He now has a fishing buddy. And everybody else just loves him because everybody's squishy.

What I would say to a mom who is leaning towards getting an abortion is to personally wait and to look into resources in your community, in your churches, that can offer you some help no matter what the issue is, whether it's not being with the father anymore, being young that you have to tell your parents or your grandparents or your guardian.

Whether in and out of trouble, alcohol issues, whatever it is, your kids love you from the moment they are made inside of you and you can feel that love before you even take a test.

And everything through them is brand new. And it just reminds you of all the little things in life, whether you didn't have a family growing up, your parents weren't around.

I was adopted growing up. My birth parents were in and out of jail. But there's nothing more empowering than overcoming your struggles and making a change.

And we can't make a change without actually stopping the wrongs and doing what's right.

And what's right is saving lives and making a positive, impactful change amongst them and yourselves.

Listen, listen, listen, because every second counts. Listen, because every second counts.

Why do we go to the abortion mills? We go because the greatest commandment is to love the

Lord your God with all of your heart, with all of your soul, with all of your mind, with all of your strength. And the second is like unto it, to love your neighbor as you love yourself.

And so fundamentally, we go to the abortion mills because this is about the gospel. The Bible says in Romans chapter 10, how will they believe in the one whom they've never heard?

And how will they hear unless someone is sent to actually preach the good news to them?

Proverbs tells us in chapter 24, verse 11, to rescue those who are being taken away to death, to hold back those who are stumbling towards the slaughter.

And behold, if you say you did not know this, does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? God knows.

He commands us to open our mouths for those who cannot speak for themselves. He says to defend the rights of the poor and the needy and to establish justice for the fatherless.

God's word also says that true religion is found in this, that we care for the orphan and for the widow.

The orphan in this situation is the abandoned child being led away to death.

Proverbs 31 also tells us that we are to open our mouths for those who cannot speak for themselves and to defend the rights of the poor and the needy.

This is our calling. And so why do we go to the abortion mills? Because the gospel alone is the power of God for salvation.

From the very beginning, we have said that we look forward to the day where we never ask for any more to end abortion.

We look forward to the day where we close our doors on this ministry, where we rejoice, we wash our hands of this, and it's over.

And there's no more budget to satisfy. When we did this initially, we said to Christian churches, we want nothing from you.

We want to just equip you and train you and raise you up. We wanna give everything away to you to save lives, to do this work.

And God blessed that. Again, since the beginning, tens of thousands of children have been saved through the work of endabortionnow .com,

through the churches we've raised up. When you give to endabortionnow .com, you actually also participate with us in our efforts to speak to legislators across the country, to speak to them, to challenge them, to encourage them to put these bills in.

You help us to actually get these bills put in across the country. So if you've given before,

I wanna, again, thank you from the bottom of my heart. This wouldn't have happened without you. So thank you. You're a part of this ministry with us.

And when you give this next year, you are gonna participate with us in raising up more churches to save lives, into speaking into the culture in the public square with the truth of the gospel.

And you help us to establish justice in these states by getting legislators to put these bills in and getting a force of Christians, local churches and Christian organizations in that state to work to establish justice in that state through that bill and that legislation.

That's what you're giving towards. Please help us, endabortionnow .com. Door of death, ma 'am.

This is the door of death. Come to life. We can take you to a place that'll show life in your life, not death.

This will show death in your life, ma 'am. The Bible says that so will we be.

Ma 'am, have mercy on this baby and have mercy on your soul. Hey, ma 'am, you want a water?

Can we talk? Can we talk? Yeah, we can talk? All right,

I appreciate that. This is my wife. So you have an option.

You can talk to a male or a female or both. Both? What would bring you to this place, ma 'am?

Because I got a four -month -old baby and right now I just can't deal with another one. So it's based on your circumstance, right?

Basically. Okay, so you have one baby? It's hard enough as it is, ma 'am. Yeah, well, I understand that.

We're not saying that raising kids is puppies and pancakes. It's definitely a responsibility. But the child is here and presented as a gift to you.

I just don't think you have the eyes to see it that way. You see your other child as a gift, right? What's that child's name?

Liam. It's hard enough as it is. I know it's hard, ma 'am. But you know what? We love you and we care about you and we wanna walk through this with you.

The baby's here. The baby's here. And doing this is like, it's unnatural.

In this world, it says, go ahead and do it. But you know it's wrong. So we wanna scoop you up and point you to right because think about this.

We live in God's world, right? Live in God's world. So he makes the rules. And he says that all children are a gift and he gives them and some of these gifts test our hearts.

He's showing you what's inside you right now, what you're capable of. Now his answer is to trust him, to repent, turn away.

Repentance, it's a Christianese word, right? But what it means is it's gonna have a result of you turning away from doing darkness and turning to God who is light.

So we wanna swoop you up and point you and care for you. I'm speaking about your family today.

The one that's outside of the womb. You say you have needs. We all have needs. And I'm not to make anything light of that.

Today, usually there's only a few ministers out here, me and my brother. Right now, we have a national organization here that's fully funded by churches, man.

And we wanna save your child. We want you to unwrap that gift that God has given you.

Right? And I guarantee you, I've never spoken to a woman who's changed her mind and many have who have regretted changing their mind.

In fact, one of them comes out Saturdays and she serves with her baby in her hand. And she made three attempts here on that child's life but God each time arrested her, arrested her desire to murder her baby.

That's what it is. Right? You know it is. And we're not gonna play games with you. We wanna help you to see that and trust in Him.

You have a soft heart right now but I want you to have a soft heart for God. God is a rich provider.

He provides, He provides through His people. He provides through strangers. He'll move people's heart to come alongside Him. What seems impossible,

God will make a way and He'll make it so that you know that it's from Him. So your heart and mine are being tempted and I know that this heart because you're being tempted by the world.

See the issue here, what's your name? Shaniqua. Shaniqua? That's pretty. The issue here is not what's in your wallet or how many apartment rooms you have, it's what's in your heart.

And God's gotta deal with you first, the center, the main issue is your heart.

Heal that heart, make you be born again and then you'll have affections to do what is right. And when you're in that circle of obedience, you'll see

God, He'll open your eyes. Oh, God provided for me, God provided me. It doesn't come all at once, but when

I came to Christ, it came pretty frequently. Being obedient to God is an outward expression of what you believe.

I believe God can save you. I believe that God can make things right. I believe that God is a faithful God who's faithful in His promises.

And I'm here just to bear light to that. And to swoop Shaniqua off and say, come away from the devil's house because he comes to steal, kill and destroy.

Lock you into guilt and shame, leave you there. He's not for you, He's against you. But God, He's the one who provides for us ultimately.

Trust in Him, turn away today. Listen, listen, because every second counts.

Listen, because every second counts. Why do we do bills of equal protection? We do bills of equal protection as Christians because we wanna be consistent.

Consistent with God's word, consistent with human reason and logic.

Equal protection means that all human beings from the moment of conception, from the moment of conception are protected and given the same standards of justice.

Equal protection matters to God. In Proverbs 20, 23, God says that unequal weights and measures are an abomination in His sight.

Did you hear that? Unequal weights and measures are an abomination to God. God tells us throughout

His word that He expects us to establish justice, to protect the fatherless, to make sure that all image bearers of God are protected and given justice.

That really is the duty of the Christian church, to love our neighbors as we love ourselves, to treat everybody the same.

This is seen in history always when we think about the issue of slavery, why was the

Jim Crow era and the issue of slavery such an abomination? It's an abomination because we had image bearers of God, human beings who were treated with such depravity, with such evil, with such injustice.

We recognize the evil of saying, yeah, I know he looks like a person, but it's not a person, it's a black man.

We all see the evil in that. Equal justice matters to God. We can't say, yeah, you can kill these humans, but not these humans.

As Christians, God commands us to hate unequal weights and measures, and that is why we must have equal protection for all humans from conception.

It's time to end the compromise. It's time to end the inconsistencies. It's time to actually stand on what the word of God says under the authority of Jesus Christ, to be consistent for the sake of these children, to actually do what we say we want to do, to actually look like we believe what we say about the pre -born.

2024 is gonna be our most important year yet. It's a critical year in our nation on a number of levels.

18 prospective states next session, churches being raised up to save lives where they're being taken.

You can be a part of this ministry, this work of the Christian church to end child sacrifice.

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Thank you. Foster care system is probably the worst thing that's ever going on in the state of Louisiana.

I would never want a child to grow up in a foster care system. It was better when the church had control of the end.

We were doing much better with it. I'm sure y 'all were. But let's just look, let's just be honest with each other, right? Do you see your contradictions? Everything is a contradiction.

When it comes down to choice, nobody else has the right to choose anything that anybody else does.

But listen, you're a psych major, is that what you said? Yes, I am. And you just looked up that a person, listen, a person is not a human until they have cognitive reasoning skills, correct?

Is that what you said? No, I said fetuses within a woman. No, then you looked it up, and you looked up in your book that at 13 is when you have cognitive skills.

I said they develop cognitive skills at 13. Therefore, the reason you can't, the reason you killed this baby right here is because they don't have that.

But your book says at 13 is when they have it. So can we kill 12 year olds? Well, a moment ago, you said something compelling a second ago.

You said, you take an ethics class? You said that, tell me if I heard you right. You said that nobody has the right to tell somebody else what to do.

So we shouldn't stop child molesters. Oh, you absolutely should. So you just contradicted yourself.

She's finding this completely subjective morality. That is yours, but you don't have any say. So if he wants -

I don't have any say, so that's why there's a bunch of child molesters running around. But should we prosecute them? Should we prosecute them?

Why not? Should we? Ought to we prosecute? Yeah, we should, but you - That is my moral opinion. But you just said that we should never tell someone what to do.

I didn't tell you to prosecute them. I said, in my moral opinion, they should be prosecuted.

That does not mean, just because I said they should be prosecuted, they will be. No, but the ought is a moral question.

You took an ethics class, so we're talking about oughts. What ought to be the case? And so I think we ought to, say, for example, execute people who kidnapped and enslaved black people.

And I believe that because of God's law. God's law says that they should have been executed, and it was morally wrong.

It's an atrocity. But let's say that someone believed what you believed back during the time of slavery, and we watched the beautiful black men and women on these auction blocks.

We pass by it, and then you say, hey, that's immoral and wrong. We ought not do that. And there were people back then saying that.

I know, the Christian abolitionists stopped it, exactly. So we walk by together, and we say, that's morally wrong.

And then someone walks by with your argument and says, no, ethically, we can't tell anybody what to do.

That is true, because, you wanna know why? That is true, because if something is, let me get this correct, because I just did a freaking essay on it, and I'm freaking burned.

It's okay, I'm listening. Yeah, it's okay. If that is the cultural, moral law, slavery at some point was morally correct, according to American culture.

Not according to scripture, but the law of the land, yes. Yes, but according to American culture, 400 years ago, slavery to some people was morally correct, which is why it stood, when it did, for so long.

Right. And for the Civil War to happen, and for abolition, technically, in terms of, who said this?

Rachel said that cultural, ethical laws cannot be changed.

They can be deemed as incorrect, but for somebody to come and try to change the moral, cultural law for a certain society, that is wrong, which is why we had a

Civil War, because nobody wants their cultural, ethical laws. Do you see, there's a problem, because I know what you're saying.

Morality is a whole thing in itself. That's why there's so many different views of morality. Some people think that happiness should determine how we act.

Some people think that reason should determine how we act. You are taking an ethics class, I can tell. I believe that reason should determine the actions that we take.

That is my stance. Where's human reason come from? From whoever, from any walking, breathing person.

Yeah, but human reason, I can't go out to the lawn over there and dig up the law of non -contradiction.

It's not made of matter. You can go try. Yeah, but it's an immaterial thing. Laws of logic are immaterial.

People have free will. Unchanging, right? But if you believe what this university teaches, I imagine, that we came from fish.

I have 21 minutes of my time. Okay, if you believe we evolved from bacteria through fish to us. I don't think about that.

I don't know where the hell we came from. If I sit here and try to figure out the universe, I would jump off God damn

Morse Tower, because every day there's a new reason for me to climb that tower and jump off. But you said human, I'm sorry.

Well, I'm sorry. I don't hope for that for you at all. Good, I'm glad. Okay, good.

I didn't know if you were giving us a deep thought there. So the issue is reason. But you know that if you've ever read

Mein Kampf, you can see some pretty convoluted reasoning there. And he would argue using his perverted reasoning processes that Jews were just parasites.

Jews were parasites. And he was using human reason to display it. Plantation owners that were arguing for slavery had really bad reasoned arguments.

And so if you say human reason is the pinnacle of what is moral and ought, you're gonna have to wade through a lot of difficult waters of people who are doing some very perverse things with human reason.

So the question is, is how do we know what ought to be the case? And the answer is God and His law.

I am not religious. Well, you're very religious. You've been arguing about ethics, what we ought to do.

That's very religious. That's very religious. It is. Well, what is a religion?

Ethics is right or wrong. Religion is beliefs, values, principles. Well, that's, well, right.

When you say something is right or wrong, you're talking about beliefs, values, and principles. So welcome to religion.

But the issue here, ultimately here, the issue here we're displaying here,

I'm glad and I respect you and I honor you because you're made in God's image. What we're saying here is this isn't a biological issue.

This is a moral issue, not biological. Because what this is is human. There's no question about that.

Like when the slave owners looked at the black people and said, you know, I know it looks like a person. It's not a person, it's a black woman.

That was moral. That was more like, that's the animal. Right, but what was true is that all of us come from the same parents.

We're all part of the human race. We're all human. You're as much human as I'm human. And right, and so what they were doing is they were saying, you know,

I'm gonna say not human. And what we're doing with this little boy is we're saying not human.

Same problem. No, I think everyone knows that when they have, I would hope that every woman who could carry a child knew her child was human and not like the antichrist or something.

Oh yeah, no, that's a good point. The young lady over there, the young lady over there. Somebody's like sitting here like, yeah, let me abort my horse.

Well actually, they're very good. That's very good. You know, we know what we're doing. And I'm not, honestly, okay, you know what?

As somebody who is pro -choice, I've never seen someone who's gotten an abortion and has not regretted it for whatever reason.

Whether it was because of the physical and mental strain that it caused on the child. Why would it be mental strain?

Because you have to go through this entire, you don't even know it's gonna work. I've seen many people get abortions and they still ended up having a baby.

Praise God. Right, glory to God to them. They have their little precious baby. What's it called?

What's it called? Their precious baby. Yes, they have their baby that they chose. So what makes it a precious baby is my choosing it?

Shit, if I have a baby and I choose that this shit is not a precious baby, that's my choice. So you can choose to say like the plantation owners,

I don't see you as fully human. I'm not gonna kill my baby. That's just like ridiculous. I just think that's - Why? Actually, you know what? I probably will.

I don't give a fuck. But - There you go. Yeah, because that is my choice. Because in reality - If I have a baby and I'm four months pregnant and I don't want it,

I'm gonna turn it. Right, you're gonna kill your baby. Because why would I put such a burden of human life on myself?

First of all, kids are expensive. Expensive as fuck. I know. I mean, it's expensive to have kids. Across the way, if you have a dog -

Yes, what is this? If you have a dog and you say you don't want the dog, you just say you're believing in the world. No, I'm gonna sell it.

Oh. Why not just shoot it? Nobody's out here selling kids because who the fuck is out here shooting dogs?

That's just weird. God bless you. We're not just shooting. We're not just shooting. We're - We're decapitating them.

I did not birth that dog. The dog's mom decided she wanted to keep the dog. Whoever the dog breeder was decided that my dog is having babies and she's gonna have those babies.

That is her choice. It is your choice. If I choose to sell - If I choose to shoot my dog, so the fuck what?

What does that have to do with you? Not a goddamn thing. That is my moral wrong. So you're okay with shooting the dog?

I'm not okay with shooting dogs. I'm not out here just shooting people's dogs or shooting my own dogs. Why would I shoot my own dogs? They're my goddamn dogs and I sat here and fucking paid for them.

It's either okay or it's not. No, it's my choice or it's not. Kaya, why are you so angry?

Because y 'all are - Y 'all are like - It's like - It's like talking to a wall. It's like, I'm right here with it. We're talking.

We're talking with you. We've refuted - We've refuted a lot of your arguments. It shows your inconsistency. And I'm -

No, it's not. It's not. Kaya, remember a while ago? You don't let me say that. What did you call this picture?

If I choose to set this tree on fire, that's my choice. If I choose to shoot my dog that I found on the corner of the street who followed me home, that is my choice.

If I choose to terminate a baby at eight months, that is my choice. So if someone walks by you and choose to punch you in the face and take your purse, you're cool with that?

Because it was their choice? That would be weird. But yes, that was their fucking choice to make. Is it moral? No, it's not.

Thank you. Says who? Says myself, because that is my choice to make. But the rapist, he makes a choice and says,

I like it. That is his choice. That does not mean it's moral. Thank you very much. So what we're saying is that ultimately,

God is the - No, this is not about God. Oh, it's very much about God. If this is all

God's plan, then it was God's plan for me to terminate my baby. Well, no, we sin against God.

We violate God's law. What's that?

Oh, I'm so glad you asked that. Yeah, come on in. Come on in. Welcome to the Congress. Did you say what does God have to do with legislation?

Talk about slavery in the Holocaust. No, that's a different, she's asking a different question.

Can I answer that? Would you mind if I answer it? Separation of church and state - Everybody go home, shoot your dogs, set your house on fire, with your parents, amen.

Would you mind if I showed her the respect? That is your choice. Would you mind if I - Just know that. Would you mind if I showed her the respect of answering your question?

Good. Okay, so you asked the question of separation of church and state. That doctrine of separation of church and state, if you like it, you should thank a

Christian for it, because Christians developed that in history. The separation of church and state did not mean the separation of God and state.

They were trying to avoid the Church of England situation where the church is controlled by the state.

Separation of church and state is not in our constitutional documents. You can find it in a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the

Dansbury Baptists, reiterating the Christian historical doctrine of separation of church and state. Separation of church and state does not mean separation of God and state.

What do you think sick children should be killed? God bless you. You mean if the child doesn't - Children with special needs should be killed? Would my little girl die? So if a child is in pain, we should kill -

Well, that's what you said. What did I say? So we shouldn't kill sick children, just to be clear. I know, and I also heard -

Don't kill sick children, is that what you're saying? Because I would agree with you. I also heard that you guys, like, don't, like, rape and possess, like, you think that women and girls should be forced to -

I don't think you should kill a child for the sins of her father, no. Okay, so what if the girl's, like, 12? You think that a 12 -

I think we should execute the rapist. Yeah, the rapist should - You believe we should execute the child. But you're allowing that kid to continue to kill rapists and not the product of their rape?

Because there - It doesn't make very much sense. No, it does. Can I answer? Can I answer that? It's a good question.

Answer my question. Sure, okay, I'll do. You then you. It's a 12 -year -old girl. Yeah. A 12 -year -old. Yeah. Gets raped, gets pregnant.

We can go as low as 11, because of how menstruation works. Right. 11 -year -old gets pregnant. You're forcing that 11 -year -old to keep that baby and birth that baby, even though 11 -year -olds are not supposed to give birth.

It's an evil - Can I answer that? It's an evil, evil thing you're talking about, because you're talking about a man doing something to a girl's body apart from her will and her choice, right?

And so, if you're against rape, you should be fully against abortion, because what's happening in abortion is a person is doing to something that's so -

Answer my question. I am answering it, I'm not finished. Sometimes - You would force that 11 -year -old - No, I'm trying to, you cut me off.

I didn't get to finish. Okay, finish. So, it takes sometimes more than five sentences to answer a question. You can answer it -

So, I was saying that if you believe that rape is wrong and repulsive, you should be against the issue of abortion, because what's happening in rape is the same in principle issue that's happening in rape.

Someone is doing something to somebody's body apart from their will, right? And without their permission. I believe that the man who rapes the 11 -year -old girl, right,

I believe that he deserves the death penalty. You believe the child deserves the death penalty. You still didn't -

Okay, how about this, how about this, how about this? Yes or no. Pursue the rapist.

You would force that 11 -year -old to give birth to a child. When you say force, when you say force, you're assuming the category of the option to murder the child.

What happened in a rape was an evil, immoral thing that you haven't responded to yet in terms of -

You answered my question. I did. Yes or no. I believe we should pursue the rapist, and like Brian said, you should not punish the child for the crime of the father.

So the 11 -year -old would have to stay pregnant and give birth. I believe that we should not take one issue where there's a victim and create two victims.

You're arguing create more victims. I just answered you. We should not create, I'm answering you.

I'm answering you, if you would let me say it. We should not, like you suggest, create more victims.

You already have a victim and a crime. You have a victim and a crime who's going to have to die.

We should pursue the rapist. When she's 11 years old, give birth to a child.

She's a victim. She's a victim. Why? Well, you call it trauma, right? Yes, oh my

God. And I agree, and I agree, and I agree, and I agree,

I agree. Do you see what happened? Is that you didn't let me finish the thought. Let me finish.

I said, you call it trauma and I agree, but why is it trauma?

Because she got raped and then she has to stay pregnant. Because someone did something to her body against her will. You're forcing her.

That's what happens in abortion. So if you're against rape, you should be against abortion. So you're saying.

I'd like to hear you respond to that because you haven't yet. If what, that abortion is equivalent to rape.

It's a human being doing something to another human being. It's the same as raping. I don't know why you're speaking

Latin here. Fetus means small child or baby. So you can speak English. We're in Louisiana. You guys do talk kind of funny, but.

When there's a sperm cell and an egg cell that are still in the process of conjoining. No, it's when, when, and that's a very good question.

You have a library here. Okay, and all biological textbooks, all biological textbooks, you can check this out.

You can leave right from here and find it out. All biological textbooks will argue and agree today without question, it's not disputed that all human life begins at the moment of conception.

The very moment of conception. You and, what's your name? My name's Annie. Annie, I'm Jeff. I'm Jeff. It's not a lie, go look it up.

The moment of conception, all human life is at the moment of conception. So you,

Annie, were the you you are today as a human at that very moment. The only difference was the difference of size, level of development, environment, and degree of dependence.

Biologically speaking, you were the you you are now at that moment of conception.

That's indisputable today. Except she is a person with a personality, and memories, and friends, and autonomy.

Okay, so let's try, can I try any of those? And like a grown adult. Great, great, so we can kill nine -year -olds then, because you said grown adults will make you human.

Well, I said like memories. Well, that's what you said, you think we should kill rapists. I believe that rapists who go so far as to abuse a woman deserve capital punishment, yes.

We should protect innocent life, but the rapist is not innocent. He's guilty. You think we should kill him?

Yes. You believe we should kill the children. We believe the rapist should be killed. No, it's different. I believe in the death penalty for rapists, but not for us, not for me.

You believe in the death penalty for the baby. We believe in it for the rapist, yes. And I stand very proud on that.

Going under the medical procedure of terminating. Murdering a child. Whatever, is much different than killing.

You're using a lot of euphemisms. When you said fetus, that's a Latin word, it means baby.

And when you said abortion, it's a euphemism for the unjustified taking of human life. So you can speak with as much clarity as you want.

Jeff, I think he just said that he wants to protect the lives of rapists. Is that correct? That is what he said. I don't think.

I mean, well, I don't wanna put words in your mouth. Do you believe that we should. Except a pre -born baby, that one. Do you believe that we should protect the lives of rapists?

I mean, maybe I misunderstood you, can you answer? He never said a single thing about the term rapist. I'm not sure.

I'd like him to answer. So please don't put that word into his mouth. No, I'd like him to answer. He said he was not talking about rapists. So do you believe we should protect the lives of rapists?

Yes or no? Annie, yes, go ahead. And whatever was conceived by rape. Right. So I really don't appreciate this like super. Well, you guys were actually mocking the fact that as Christians, we believe

God's law that a man who rapes a woman deserves to die because he's guilty. You mock that.

But you guys believe that we should kill the child. We believe the rapist should be killed, judicially.

You believe that children should be killed. I have, by the way, I have friends who are the products of rape.

I have friends who are the products of rape. They would stand here arguing with you right now, saying, I thank God that I wasn't killed for the crime of my father.

They are beautiful, amazing, thriving human beings today. Should we kill them? Not now.

They're the products of rape. But you're arguing that the products of rape should be executed. I'm arguing, we're arguing that it's up to the mother because at that point, for the next nine months, the mother's gonna be carrying the child.

For the next 18 plus years, she's going to be carrying. She's carrying a what? Carrying a what? The child. The child. Okay. That's why

I think she said carrying the child, didn't she? She did. If this is the argument that y 'all are working off of. You know, that's what you said,

Annie. That's what you said. I guess it was a Freudian slip. I don't know. But you said the mother carries a child in the womb.

Does this make y 'all feel good to be like. No, we love you. We love you. We love you. We care for you. Let's go back to what

I was saying. Okay, sorry. We're saying that it's up to the mother, right? Because the zygote at that point, the egg and the sperm of her rapist are not going to survive outside of her body.

Well, it's not, here's, yeah. It's not, I'm just saying it's not an egg and a sperm. I thought

I couldn't interrupt you, but you can interrupt me. If they combine. Right, the zygote. Okay, can I please finish? Yes. Right, so the zygote's not gonna exist without her.

The zygote is totally dependent on the mother for the next nine months and potentially for the rest of her life. We're saying it should be up to the mother because she has to deal with the trauma.

Oftentimes, rape addicts, especially in Louisiana, where they're not getting the treatment they need, they're contracting STIs, they have

PTSD, they turn to addiction, all those sorts of things. So what you're doing is you're condemning that mother to an awful life, to continue living with the repercussion of her rape and this reminder of the trauma she went through.

Because unless you're also advocating for stopping the backlog of rape kits and you're advocating for comprehensive sex education, more than just abstinence -only sex education and free contraceptive and free

STI testing and welfare and welfare for black mothers. Can I respond to all that? Can I respond?

Yeah, I'm still finishing. Okay. Unless you're advocating - You're making about 10 different points. I'd like to respond to any one of them.

No, I'm saying because here's the argument that you guys are supporting the life and that we're murderers for wanting mothers to be able to decide if they are raped, what they do with the zygote.

And I'm saying that you're condemning those women to an awful life. Yeah, can I - So you're saying they justify to be in psychological death for the rest of their life.

Can I respond now? Now that I'm done, you can respond. Okay, thank you, I appreciate it. So you made an argument that because the human being, because when the sperm and egg meet, it makes a unique human being.

So you're using a lot of euphemisms, but the human being from conception is dependent upon the mother. And so therefore she ought to be able to kill it because it's dependent upon her.

So you wouldn't have any argument then with a mother who pulled over, this is fairly recently in our history, she pulled over to the side of the road, she turned around and shot her like six and eight year old kid in the chest and killed him.

They were both dependent upon her. Both dependents, right? And so that's a significant issue in terms of when you talk about dependence, that it's dependent upon me, so I ought to be able to kill it.

Yeah, Jeff, it's not the same thing because she could have dismembered them as children are in the womb. Right, exactly. I mean, shooting them in the chest was a lot less painful than them being, their limbs being removed one by one until they bled.

Yeah, and you'll - In order to avoid the shooting of children. I'm gonna answer her question.

You've already been refuted up and down, my friend. So we've spent 45 minutes with you. So the next thing, when you said dependence,

I have a two -year -old and I have five kids. My two -year -old's fully dependent upon me.

Fully dependent upon me. Can I kill him because he's dependent without argument work in court? It wouldn't work in court. Can I explain what

I would say to that then? Well, yes, go ahead. You had a lot of points I was trying to get to, but go ahead, yeah. Yeah, for sure. I don't know if I have the patience to sit here for the whole time.

I think you're conflating different types of dependence. So obviously your two -year -old is economically dependent on you because he can't hold his own job.

So he's relying on you, your family structure, your community, your neighborhood, those sorts of things. What I'm talking about is -

He's not just economically dependent. Yeah, and mentally, because you have an emotional bond, whatever.

He can't drive a car, all those sorts of things. He'd beat himself? I'm not, okay, what's the... See, there's more than just a simple category.

You and I go out of degrees of dependence on other humans our entire lives. When you were - For sure,

I didn't finish answering, so. Well, I wasn't finished either, and you tried to get, you tried to - I asked. Yeah, I know, but now

I'd like to respond to that, though. Okay, so you'll cut me off to keep going. Well, you had about 10 points.

I was addressing one, and then you wanted to respond. You didn't let me do that, so I'm just trying to respond as much as I can.

You let her go. Okay, okay. Y 'all remember what he said - Yeah, and now I'm gonna respond to your point, and demonstrate that it's an error.

You and I go through different degrees of dependence as human beings our entire lives. From the moment we come into this world, we're fully dependent, like nursing moms are displaying fully that their children are dependent upon them to survive.

You wouldn't argue, I don't think, that a nursing mother who just at nine months in said, this is a hassle, it's difficult for me,

I'm gonna go ahead and decapitate this child. You wouldn't argue that that's justified, would you?

Will I be able to answer fully now? If I respond right now, can I answer fully? Sure, go ahead. You won't cut me off again?

Yeah, go ahead. So what I was talking about in terms of dependence earlier was there's like a level of biological dependence during the nine months from which the egg and sperm cell develop, and so at that point, that organism, the zygote, is not living independently.

So that's when we're talking about like, we would, I think all of us would disagree that it isn't a fully fledged human with a belief system and with a morality.

So you disagree with all biological science then? But the consciousness of like - So what if someone's in a coma?

Can I stab them while they're in the coma? That would be up to the family to determine - Can I stab them in the coma?

You've been asked this about 10 times and you can't respond to it. Can I stab them? Who is reaching inside and stabbing a baby?

What is that? Oh my goodness. Are you serious? Do you wanna see a video of it? That's actually how it's done.

It's done by crushing the skull, pulling the legs off, pulling the arms off. This is the issue.

Can I just say this to you with respect? Why do babies have a head crush in the womb? Yeah. Why are you using that terminology?

When the sperm and the egg meet, it's not sperm and egg for nine months as you tried to suggest.

When the sperm and the egg meets, it's a unique human being from the moment of conception. That's the truth.

It's not whatever, it's the truth. You're at a university and I expect more from university students. Oh. It's not, when we talk about dependence, that baby can't survive outside the womb.

Right. It's physically dependent on that mother's body. It's a human being. It's a human being.

Which means it's up to her. We live in a world that God made where babies are formed in the wombs of mothers.

There's no getting around that. So yes, it's a baby. We're talking about legislation. Because, well, it's a very simple issue.

You don't have any basis to be arguing for anything left, right, up, or down apart from the biblical worldview.

Do you agree with the evolutionary perspective of origins? What, that like evolution? The Big Bang. Do you believe in it?

Yes. So you believe your ancestors were fish? Yes. So why are you out here arguing? You don't believe in evolution?

No, I don't. No, no. She also said that all biology textbooks say that life starts at conception.

You're talking about science. Which is false. All the facts. You don't even believe in evolution? So what's amazing is the mockery.

You're mocking somebody for what, for you think something is true and they don't believe it, so you're mocking them. And yet you believe that your ancestors, your ancestors, you believe, were bacteria.

Science depends upon the uniformity in nature and induction. So you tell me, as someone who believes that your ancestors were fish, and that you live in a godless, unguided universe, give me a justification that satisfies the preconditions of intelligibility.

You don't have an answer, young lady. You don't have an answer. Fantastic. Fantastic.

So can you answer the question? Can you answer the question? That's a

Christian doctrine. What did it mean? Who gave that to the world? Who gave the separation of church and state?

Can I ask you, please don't interrupt her. Can I ask you, you said church and state. Where did that doctrine come from?

No, it came from the Christian church. It came from the biblical worldview. And what did it mean? What did it mean?

It means that we need to separate legislation. Nope, that's not what it means. That's not what Thomas Jefferson said.

That's not what the Huguenots or the Puritans meant. There are more than just Christians.

Right, right. We cannot enforce our religious beliefs on other people. So what if someone says they wanna enslave a black person?

Are they allowed to do that? Who says? What are you talking about? Who stopped it? It's logical fallacies.

Who stopped the enslavement? Christian abolitionists, based upon the law, word of God.

It wasn't atheists. Let me say, atheists, atheists, atheists borrow from the

Christian worldview to be opposed to slavery. But let me tell you, if you believe your ancestors are bacteria, you have no justifiable ultimate objection to slavery because your ancestors are fish, correct?

Okay, I don't know how close. There's where the legs fall off, ladies and gentlemen. And you're gonna take all of what we're saying out of context because according to the law -

Oh, it'll be all in context. Oh, we'll put it all together. We'll put it all together. None of our audio is being recorded.

So what you have here instead - That's not true. No, that's what he just told me. He said no one can hear me. There's no mic over there.

So I'll be good, I'll be in view? Yeah. When I say that it's really unfortunate that you guys, all this debate about choice, but you don't believe that we have the choice to monitor what happens within our own bodies.

And just the utter lack of compassion for people who experience probably the most traumatic event ever. Why is it traumatic?

She's talking about compassion. I want you to explain. I want you to explain.

Is it traumatic according to him? Can you tell us why? I wanna hear you explain why. Because I know why

I think it's morally evil, but why? According to your worldview, why is it traumatic?

Honestly, I'm gonna say as someone who's experienced sexual violence, I don't have the emotional ability to stand here and hear you twist my words and tell me that what happened isn't bad enough for me to have autonomy over my own body.

So like, do what you guys feel like. So you believe in bodily autonomy? I don't have. How about him? Did he have bodily autonomy?

I don't have the mental energy. Okay. Y 'all have a good day. God bless y 'all.

Pray for Annie. It was good right until the wheels fell. Our ancestors were fish.

That doesn't hurt. That doesn't hurt. Your ancestors are bacteria.

You're not a Christian. No, you're not. You deny God's word. Is Christ the

Lord of all? You believe that our ancestors were fish and yet you say

Christ is your savior? So you don't believe the Bible? You don't believe the

Bible? So you don't believe Jesus, his word? You don't believe that his word should be the standard?

Do you follow Christ? He said, you shall not murder. What's this? It's the unjustified taking of human life.

That's an image bearer of God. Christ would look at you and he would hate you. Okay. How do you know that? Because he had a message of love and acceptance.

How do you know Christ's message? Where did you get Christ's message from? And I go to church and I pray to God.

Wait, no, where did you learn? This is all for you guys. Listen, you're not listening. Where did you get

Christ's message? Where did you find it? Did you read it somewhere? I found it in my parents. I found it in my community.

I didn't listen to hateful bigots like you all. That wasn't very nice. You said we're being unloving, but you've been insulting the whole time.

So who's being loving? I'm loving to lots of other people. You're the one that's trying to force trauma on children, on girls.

No, you are. You're saying kill the children. We're trying to stop children from being traumatized. No, you're not. You do nothing to help girls that are being raped.

Actually, I do. So I wanted to answer this a moment ago and we were arguing. I'm not going to invite you answer. No, you said

I've done nothing. I've actually started medical clinics in the state of Louisiana where women receive free medical care when they have a crisis pregnancy.

Last year, But you don't allow them to make the choice of whether or not they want To kill their baby.

Last year, we helped over 1 ,100 women in the state of Louisiana in a crisis pregnancy center.

You realize, But you didn't offer them the choice. Of course. You didn't offer them the choice. Of course. We helped them along the way.

We, we, some of them chose to place their child for adoption. You did. Many of them chose life for their child.

You forced them to live nine full months of pregnancy. No, no, no. They weren't forced. They wanted to keep their children.

This legislation. It sounds as if you're upset that these women, 1 ,100 women, kept their children.

What if they don't want to keep their child? And we provided them the support so they could do that. What if they don't want to keep their child? They want to murder their child? If they want to murder their child, it shouldn't be legal.

Are you still going to support them? We'll give, we'll give them the gospel and love them. Of course we support and love them.

But we don't support children being killed. We've had this conversation like 1 ,000 times. But you keep reverting back to a child because you don't.

But you said I have no compassion. There's 1 ,100 women that I've helped in a crisis pregnancy.

How many have you helped? Hi everybody, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin, the head of End Abortion Now.

I want to start this by, from the bottom of my heart, thanking all of you who have been a part of this ministry with us since the very beginning.

When we started End Abortion Now, we wanted to save lives. And when we started that work, God blessed it.

And we have been able to raise up about 1 ,000 churches across the US and really around the world, the

Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland. Everything was given away for free to these churches.

Nothing was asked of them. We've equipped them. We've raised them up. And now they're saving lives.

God's blessed that work. God also blessed us, as many of you know, in the area of having a prophetic witness, a voice to legislators across the country.

And over the years, through your partnership with us, we've been able to get bills of equal protection and abolition into states across the

United States of America. This next session, we have, prospectively, commitments from legislators in 18 states across the

United States of America. That's 18 states that are going to be putting in bills of equal protection and abolition of abortion.

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The tide is changing. It is truly changing. And with what just took place in Ohio with the ballot measure, it has emboldened many, many

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Next year, 2024, is going to be our most important and our busiest year we've had yet.

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I am very, very lucky. They slept great through the night, great through the day, well eaters.

I have no complaints. He loves to be cuddled and held, barely ever cries.

I feel like I was blessed and because I made a really positive and good decision, that God blessed me with a really good baby.

My name is Devine, and then this little guy right here is Oliver, and he is seven months old.

Initially, what took me out to the abortion clinic was with my last pregnancy, I was diagnosed with hypermesis gravidarum, and that is just like excessive throwing up and being really, really, really sick while you're pregnant.

And it put me out of work, and we were already struggling and trying to recover with our finances. So it was really probably money issues,

I would say. What I remember when I pulled in that day was there were a whole bunch of people standing at the road protesting, and I felt very overwhelmed and uncomfortable because I did already have a daughter, and I also was adopted, so I knew every option and other road that I could possibly take on.

And when I saw them, I also felt like a sense of relief when I got there too.

That day, I was experiencing a lot of over emotions, and I was overwhelmed, stressed, and I just didn't really know which way to turn.

Probably also a little numb. I wanna say, just because I didn't fully believe in that decision, having an abortion.

So I was conflicted. And when I went there that day, I already knew that I didn't really wanna go through with having the abortion.

And so when I got out of my car, I did go into the office, but they told me that you needed to do walk -in appointments only.

And when I got there, they said, they told me you needed to call and make an appointment. So they actually had no walk -ins available, and it was about an hour drive from my house, so I'd have to go home and find another way to come back.

So it felt, in a way, like it wasn't something that I was supposed to do. And then as I was pulling away, they came up to my car window because there was a lot of traffic, and asked me to roll my window down, and I did.

And then we had a nice conversation about why I felt the way I did about having an abortion, and where in life, and what it was

I was struggling with. They ended up giving me money that day on the spot for groceries, because we were short on rent and stuff, because I was already getting sick, and I was only like eight weeks pregnant.

And they helped me out that week with groceries, and then they also gave me their phone number and told me that I should call them and get in touch with them.

And so it was more me being adopted, and just talking about the other routes that I could take, that really led me to be like, hey, someone else saved me and showed me a route of love that I know, no matter the struggle, and mine was only with money, that I could still keep my son.

It's hard to imagine if the church wasn't there that day, because I don't know what the outcome would have actually been.

I don't know if I would have gone through it with how bad we were struggling, but ultimately,

I would have come to the decision, I think, that I would have kept him anyway, but the way my life is going right now with work and family and still living in this state and having full custody of my kids turned out beneficial, because if it would have went any other way, he wouldn't be here, or I wouldn't be blessed with the job opportunities and everything that has come my way since I was able to keep him.

I could not honestly imagine life without Oliver. He is perfect. He resembles a lot of his sister.

They both took on the date the 12th of the year, so he didn't want her to be the only star in my life, and then he copied her with the helmet.

He's moving and growing so much, and then I get to see him and work with him every single day, so I couldn't imagine life any other way.

He is actually the first boy in my family on my side from my grandparents, so my dad is thrilled he now has a fishing buddy, and everybody else just loves him, because everybody's squishy.

What I would say to a mom who is leaning towards getting an abortion is to personally wait, and to look into resources in your community, in your churches, that can offer you some help, no matter what the issue is, whether it's not being with the father anymore, being young, that you have to tell your parents, or your grandparents, or your guardian, whether in and out of trouble, alcohol issues, whatever it is, your kids love you from the moment they are made inside of you, and you can feel that love before you even take a test, and everything through them is brand new, and it just reminds you of all the little things in life, whether you didn't have a family growing up, your parents weren't around,

I was adopted growing up, my birth parents were in and out of jail, but there's nothing more empowering than overcoming your struggles, and making a change, and we can't make a change without actually stopping the wrongs, and doing what's right, and what's right is saving lives, and making a positive impactful change amongst them and yourselves.

And all those things came together in that moment to where I realized, okay, I'm called to do something in this fight against abortion.

The abortion mill was located on a hill, and I would soon find out that that hill would be called

Hell's Hill. In 2014,

I attended a pastor's conference, as we were walking down the street, I saw a lady, she was praying on the sidewalk, thought to myself, well, this is interesting, she's praying, we're going to lunch,

I wonder why she's praying, and I went to the woman and I asked her, I said, ma 'am, I see that you're praying here,

I'm sorry to bother you, can you tell me why you're praying here? And she looked at me and she said, they abort babies here.

It hit me really hard, really heavy, and it would be a year later that I would be in a

Starbucks dealing with anger, just struggling to see with everything that was happening in our culture, there was a lot of racial tension, and I began to pray in a

Starbucks one day, and I asked the Lord, would you remove this anger, would you take it from me? And he didn't do anything, and so I pleaded with the

Lord and actually became somewhat charismatic and threw my hands up in the air, and I said, Lord, would you take this anger and take it from me, but give me something in return?

And in that moment, when I lifted my hands up, the Lord took that anger and he replaced it, and I felt like he spoke two words to me in that moment, and the words were, engage abortion.

And that was a year after the Louisville incident. In the meantime, between Louisville and that Starbucks moment,

I would hear a church apology, I'd hear a pastor, Jeff Durbin, begin to talk about the abortion ministry and what they were beginning to do, and all those things came together in that moment to where I realized, okay,

I'm called to do something in this fight against abortion. It was that morning that I didn't know where abortions were happening in my town of Nashville, Tennessee, and so I Googled abortions and I found two locations, and one of those locations was about 20 miles from me, and the abortion mill was located on a hill, and I would soon find out that that hill would be called

Hell's Hill. And I didn't really know what was going on. I didn't know what to do.

I was actually fearful. I knew that I was called to go and pray.

Actually, I wanted to play it safe. I just wanted to sit in my car and pray and kind of watch from afar.

That day, I pulled up to the abortion mill and there was a woman there with her daughter, a teenage daughter, maybe 12 or 13 years old, and they were engaging people outside of an abortion mill.

A lot of people, probably 20 or 30 cars, were in the parking lot that day and they were engaging people.

The mom got distracted that day and the daughter was left alone on the street and she was engaging people, and in that moment, a young man walked up to the young lady and began to engage her in a hostile way.

I knew that I had to do something. As a man, I was called to protect that young lady, so I got out of the car and began to engage this young man and deflected his anger from her to me.

And for two hours, I engaged this young man. He threatened my life. He made lots of threats towards me, but we had a lot of good conversation, and at the end of the two hours, his girlfriend aborted his son or his daughter.

I left there that day. I remember it was my first day. I went to the gas station. I remember pumping gas in my car and I looked at my hand and my hands were shaking and I prayed that day and I said,

Lord, is this what you've called me to do? And he said, yes, I've called you to rescue babies.

And so that's where the journey began. Many of you,

I'm sure, are aware of what took place in the state of Ohio just recently. A ballot measure was put in that essentially legalized child sacrifice and the slaughter of the preborn all the way up until birth.

It is truly a horrific thing to imagine. And it passed.

It passed by popular vote. And so you see that the opposition, they are working consistently with their worldview.

They are working without compromise. They are working with boldness in their position. It's time for the

Christians in this nation to stand against this evil with the light of the gospel, the uncompromising truth of God's word.

It's time for us to stand boldly in the public square and to stop the compromise. It's time to tell the truth.

It's time to stand and be ready to lay our lives down for the sake of these children. In 2024, we need you.

God's blessed this ministry, this work, beyond what we imagined. And he's done it with your help.

All of these years, it's been Christians just like you that made all of this possible. And so I want to ask you to join together with us as we take a stand without compromise, consistently demanding justice for these preborn children, demanding that the slaughter ends once and for all, legally.

Help us to establish equal protection for all humans from fertilization across this nation.

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Is there any of you wagging your fingers at this? So tell that to the slave owners.

Tell that to those at Auschwitz, right? Okay, what does it have to do with this? Well, it's the oppression of other human beings.

It's the slaughter of other human beings. Okay, people love... Would you be upset with, say, Bonhoeffer, who was speaking out against the

Nazis? Just let them do what they want, right? No, absolutely not, because that... But you've decided that these humans don't matter.

That is humanist genocide. What do you call this? I don't know. You're going to think this is too, but women are still going to have abortions.

So slave owners are still going to own slaves. Sex trafficking is still going to happen. We should let it stay legal? How is that a related argument?

So your argument is, if people are going to do it anyways, let them do it. So we shouldn't stop sex trafficking?

Provide them a medical... Hi. Provide them a medical place that they can have access and not die.

You didn't respond to what I asked you. If your argument is that they're going to do it anyways, so let it be, then what would you say to sex trafficking?

That's different. Sex trafficking is illegal, but it still happens. No, it's different. How? Because women are coming, or people with uteruses,

I should say, are coming here... How do you know, how do you know how... Well, first of all, how do you know how I identify?

How do you know how I identify? Have you asked me my pronouns? I haven't, actually, sorry. Okay. So you assume

I don't have a uterus? Well, I'm saying people with uteruses. What about me looks like I don't have a uterus? I'm just saying, do you have one?

Do you see how your leftist, unbelieving worldview has just collapsed? Oh, how? Yeah, because your challenge is, if people don't have uteruses, they shouldn't have anything to say.

No, I'm saying that they... Let her do what she wants. Tell that to the slave owners, the plantation owners.

Oh my gosh, that's not, that's an unrelated argument that you're making. No, your moral argument is that they should be able to do what they want. Human beings should be able to do what they want.

So what about the plantation owners? So what was your argument about the pronoun thing? Because how is that relevant here? Well, you were bringing up the issue. Do you think

I have a uterus? You could, you could be trans, I don't know. This, boys, this is what happens with unbelieving thoughts, is that you get into such a mixed up position that you can't even tell the difference between a boy and a girl.

No, it's just that if you were trans, then I would accept you for that, rather than like hold on to some frail masculine...

So if a person does not have a uterus, and yet pretends to have one, you would respect that?

Yes. Okay. Okay. Yes, I would. There you go. So she just said that if a person does not even have a vagina or a uterus, but they wanted to pretend like they did, she would respect that.

Yeah, because it's called, some people have different identities, so learn other people's stories and listen to them.

Every single one of you expects us to respect your identity as a motherfucking Christian.

Yep. Every single one of you does. So how very... I don't ask you, no, no, respect is earned.

You've been manned it. You stand out here, and you call people murderers. Would you mind if I responded? Would you mind if I responded?

Respect is earned. You made a claim, I'm just responding to you. You're saying that, but you're so concerned.

No, listen, when somebody refutes your, can I respond to, can you respect the woman?

She spoke. Can you respect, can you respect the woman? Okay. Let's talk about institutionalized

Christian sex abuse. Okay. How many kids are getting fucked by their bishops? Is that wrong?

Is that wrong? It's absolutely abhorrent. It's wrong? By what standard? Because I agree it's wrong, but I believe in God's word,

God's spoken. That's immoral. I believe in choice. And anybody... And no kid can fucking choose that. So the pedophile is choosing to rape the child.

You believe in choice. That's your standard. No, choice cannot be, this kid right here cannot choose whether or not a 40 -year -old man has the right to choose.

And these children can't choose whether they're being slaughtered. You just, sir, you just refuted yourself.

If this child is too young... If Ron didn't believe in abortions, how come so many second trimester abortions...

You're gonna have to stay on one argument at a time, sir. By what standard, by what standard are you making any sexual ethical claims?

When I say you come down here and demand respect... No, I don't demand any respect. No, no.

Except you're telling me to live by your fucking rules. No, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying God, God created the world.

So you don't, you don't want to have a dialogue. You don't want to have a dialogue. What you have is not a dialogue.

So let's, let's try. Let's try it. You make, you, you give me a claim, I'll respond, and then you do a claim.

We'll do it that way. So my challenge to you is by what standard do you complain? Do you think a 40 -year -old man has the right to touch you?

Do you think that's his choice? Do you think you're old enough to choose to let a 40 -year -old man touch you?

Well, whether or not it's wrong, sir. It's a question of whether it's wrong. Are you old enough to get in a car and drive it?

Sir, sir, you're acting like a child has rights. I mean, why does it matter? And should be protected. Why does it matter? But you are not protecting all the children being slaughtered through this organization.

Because they're not fucking children yet. Okay, so let me ask you a question. Use your words. Let me ask you a question. Use your words. So what's in the, what's in the womb biologically?

Are you anti -cancer? No, no, I actually, sir. Are you protesting chemotherapy? You're going to have to stay on one train of thought. You made a claim about what's in the womb.

Okay, so what's in the womb? What's in the womb biologically? Do you believe in chemo? Can you answer that question?

What's in the womb biologically? It's a cluster of cells. Do you believe in chemotherapy? You're a cluster of cells.

You're a cluster of what cells? Human cells. So what's in the womb is human. You're a cluster of human cells.

Okay, human cells. Don't even try me there. Right, because there's a separation of church and state. There's a separation of church and state.

You would not even have this concrete to stand on if it wasn't for me. For you? So yes, yeah.

Everyone that pays sales taxes pays for these things. That's exactly what I said. So we all do that. So congratulations, you're wrong.

So the next question is, what's in the womb? You're right and I'm wrong. What's in the womb from conception?

What's in the womb from conception? A cluster of cells. Biologically. A cluster of cells. What kind of cells? And how many of those make it past the first trimester without God aborting them?

Sir, sir, these kind of, this. How many of those clusters of cells make it past This methodology, you're ignoring the question.

You're ignoring the question. Which is convenient for you. We all understand, we all understand why you're not answering.

Sir, sir, we all understand why you're not answering. This gaslighting, this gaslighting.

I've said so many gaslighting things here today. I'm challenging his position. You literally said that you don't even want to respect. No, don't interrupt me.

Yeah, go ahead. You literally said you don't want to respect people who are trans. I didn't say that. Yes, you did.

You were like. No, I believe they deserve. No, no, no, this is what you said. You said these kids, look at this kids.

This leftist likes to say that because of identity, that blah, blah, blah. No, I was.

Literally respecting people. No, ready? You literally said that. Can I respond? And then you were like. Can I respond? Yeah, if you would stop motherfucking interrupting.

I'll respond. I'll respond. I'm not going to hardly say anything in the last. I'll respond to what you said. And he also interrupted me actually.

I'll respond to what you said now. Can I have 25 seconds? Can I have 25 seconds to respond?

Keeps interrupting. Keeps interrupting, yep. Okay, so you made a claim. I'll respond to it now. Yeah, about your transphobia.

What I said to them was that this is the mindset that can look at a person and see that it's biologically male and the person pretends to have a uterus and you would believe them.

I would just fucking respect them. That's the difference. Speaking of which.

Yeah. Did you know with your ginger beard, sir, that there is almost the same percentage. Ad hominem, ad hominem argumentation.

There are also this almost the exact same percentage of redheads as there are kids who are born intersex, male and female.

That is a fiction. That is a fiction. What? That is a pure fiction, sir.

Pure fiction. And also it's a category. It's a category error. You're like telling me I've never met somebody.

It's a category. It's a category error. You're literally telling me I've never met somebody I actually know.

I know intersex people. So, oh, so they do exist. But you made a claim about red hair and intersex.

Yeah, it's fiction. It's about 1 % of the population, sir. It's a fiction. So my challenge to you, going back to what you were saying.

Because I love how you're religious, but like this video. You're very religious, sir. What's in the womb from conception is human, biologically.

It's irrefutable. You know, a tumor is human, too. No, a human. Yeah, when you have cancer in your bone.

So what's in the womb from conception? Let's talk science. Let's talk science.

Tumors, tumors, tumors are a part of.

You want me to answer now? Okay. So you're making the same kind of.

Sir, I asked you if I could respond. You can respond if you answer that question.

I'm trying. Can you stop for a moment, long enough to hear what's being said?

Answer that question. Do you want me to answer? Answer that question. I'm doing it. Will you stay silent enough to allow for the question's answer to come?

So you're not interested in talking. You're not interested in talking. Okay, your worldview is bankrupt.

You can't sustain any kind of cross -examination unless you can. Speaking of bankrupt. Would you like me?

Not your churches, even though they should be with all the child abuse. Sir, you don't have a standard to live. You don't have an absolute standard to live by.

You don't have an absolute standard to appeal to. I imagine you're an atheist, correct? Are you an atheist? Are you an atheist?

Can we at least have one answer to a question I give? No. Are you an agnostic? You told me, you just spent 20 minutes telling me you were gonna answer my question.

If you shut the fuck up, so I shut the fuck up. We have witnesses here. Would he allow me to answer the question? You didn't.

There's numerous witnesses. He did stop. I'm a witness. Okay, so can I, would you like me to, would you like me to answer the one question you asked about tumor?

Yeah. Okay, so you engaged in what in logical, in a logic course would be called a category error.

And comparing a - That's not an answer. Sir, I'm trying to answer. I'm trying to answer.

No, no, what you're trying to do is invalidate my question. No, your question is illogical and I'm gonna show you how.

See, that's what I said. So I know, sir, that you're from the TikTok generation that doesn't allow for more than 10 seconds to answer.

You're too emotional, sir. Calm down. I don't have to. You don't get to fucking tell me what to do. The category.

I'm not touching you. You're the one calling people murderers. Because it is murder.

Maybe if you don't use inflammatory language, people won't get him. Sir, sir, you're a hypocrite.

Sir, you're a hypocrite. You're a hypocrite. You just sat here for the last 10 minutes calling me names, inflammatory language.

I know you don't. I don't need your approval. Would you like me to continue answering? I would like you to start. You committed a category error.

Anybody in any logic textbook with any logic textbook would tell you what you committed was a category error.

Can I explain to you how? Really? Because you compared a human being, a developing human being, to a tumor, to a tumor, to different things, to different things.

Sir, you're a clump of cells. Are you not a clump of cells? You're changing the subject.

You're changing the subject, and we both know why you're changing it. Because you can't sustain this argument.

We know why you're changing the argument. If men could keep it in their fucking pants, women wouldn't. Sir, don't talk to my, hey, sir, don't talk to my son like that.

Hey, sir, sir, sir, you, but you should. Just like you have a

First Amendment right, I have a First Amendment right. Sir, sir, no right. I'm asking you to show respect for children.

When I say if men like y 'all, if men like y 'all, and I mean straight men, to keep their dicks in their fucking pants, women wouldn't need abortion.

Yeah, well. So when you guys can work on your part of the problem, I think that it's fair to criticize someone else.

By what standard do you condemn anything sexually? By what standard? It's none of your fucking business.

Thank you, you don't even have a standard. So you can't complain about the pedophile or the rapist or anything? Because you don't have an ethical standard, which to stand on.

You have zero. You don't have an ethical standard. No, I'm saying, I gave you the opportunity to provide a foundation for an ethical claim.

And that's why it's none of your fucking business. Right, because you don't have one. They do. Okay, so that's why. You don't. You think they would really be here talking to you? You don't have an ethical standard.

You just think they're. Philosophically speaking, give me the rigorous foundation to say I can make a solid sexual claim about ethics.

Give it to me. Consent. By what standard? Women should be able to consent if they're going to use their body.

Okay, so hold on. No, no, no. I'm gonna answer it. I know that you're going to say, what about the babies? But the thing is, you don't care long -term about these women.

Hold on. When they literally have to birth a child. The consent issue is important for you. So sexually.

Yeah. Consent is all that matters. Yes. So a human being should be able to consent if somebody wants to do something to their body against their will.

No, I'm just saying, I have a clump of cells. Because you know you've given us a self -refuting argument. Yeah, well, no. Yes. So, okay.

Yes. I know that you're going to make that. It's self -refuting. No, I know you're going to make that argument. No, no, no.

Yes. But. Yes. Is meat murder? Long -term. That's what I want to know. Is meat murder? So another category area, you just compared animals to human beings.

You do understand. No, I'm comparing self -consciousness. You do understand that DNA demonstrates a difference biologically between humans and beasts.

I'm talking about consciousness now. Okay, so is it consciousness? Yeah, I'm actually talking about consciousness now. So your argument is, is if a person has full consciousness, we should respect them.

What about the person in a coma? Can we kill him? How are they alive?

What if the electricity goes out? No, you said consciousness. What if the electricity goes out? You said consciousness. If the electricity goes out, it's a murder. So people in comas, people in comas shouldn't be cared for, loved, respected.

I feel like we can intellectualize this whole thing, but either way. You've both refuted yourselves. Either way, and so have you, actually.

No, ma 'am, you can demonstrate that. Go ahead, how? Because, okay, I've brought up multiple times about how you're actually taking care of women long -term, and then you go back.

We do. Have you? I'd like to say that, but the thing is is that you don't understand how much pregnancy.

Do you know what we do? Yeah, I had a long chat with this person over here, yeah. Okay, well, let me ask you a question.

If we compare, just, this isn't important to me. This isn't important to me, but if we compared resumes, if we compared resumes right now.

Hold on, can you respect the woman and let her speak for a moment? So if we compared resumes, just because the challenge you're making is we don't do anything long -term.

So if we compared resumes and took what we do as a church for women long -term versus what you've done your entire life, if we compared resumes.

I'm sorry, honey, I gotta go. Who do you think would actually have more that they've done for women, provided more for women long -term, who?

Probably not you. So what have you done last, say, two years? How many women have you provided for?

How many medical bills have you paid? How many people have you put into a home? How many people have you fed?

How many people have you paid them on your own? I volunteered a lot, actually, and I also know a lot of people who've had abortions because they couldn't afford it.

We know them too, yes. Yeah. They've killed their baby because they can't afford it. Because long -term, you wouldn't care if they had that baby.

So kill the poor kids. And they couldn't feed it. So kill the poor kids. That's exactly the point. They're poor, so you can't.

So you believe that we should be able to kill children because the family has financial difficulty. People with uteruses have a choice.

They have a choice, because even with. To kill their child. To have, to essentially have autonomy over their body.

Okay, but there's another body in their body that's not their body. Does that body have autonomy? I mean, but you don't care about those women.

I care about both. I take care of both. But the bodily autonomy argument you made should apply to the body and the womb.

Yes, because you don't understand. Just please, women just try to empathize. Go ahead. We empathize all the time?

Well, I mean, it's not going to work because you already have this very specific worldview. And you do too, and you do too. Yeah, and I also have a fucking uterus.

Yeah. So pretty crazy, because if I got pregnant, I know that myself, young, graduated from college, has student debt, doesn't really have a lot of healthcare, things like that, things that, bills, most of you vote for, right?

Like universal healthcare, things like that. If I got pregnant, it would be very difficult for me to afford that.

Let alone afford the thousands, tons of thousands of medical bills. Just explain to me again, we talked about that.

That was me. Yeah, so. Still, you made that choice, and if you feel fine about it now, that's okay.

But there are women who don't regret their abortion. But you see, in principle, your argument is, is that we should be able to kill, we should be able to kill the children of people in poverty.

That that's the best thing. No, it's that a lot of those people in poverty don't have access to proper resources anyway, so what are you doing for them?

So kill the babies. No, because pregnancy rates are actually higher in a lot of low -income communities. Yeah. And so if they don't have access to resources or birth control.

They should be able to kill their babies. They should be able to make a choice for their body and for themselves. But what's inside their body dying is not their body.

And then they don't even have maternal care, so what about that? But you'll at least acknowledge this. Before you say your job, you'll at least acknowledge this.

You would have to, if you want to make any sense, that the body inside the body is not her body.

Cells, yeah. No, you're a clump of cells. You're a clump of human cells, and what's in the womb is a distinct.

It's not even after a certain point of development. So we should be able to kill children who are not fully developed. How about him? I mean, you're here walking, breathing, eating.

Yes, you are. Okay, so the standard is. Not, no, not until a certain point are you. So wait, so what's the standard?

What's the standard? You said walking, eating, breathing. Is that what makes somebody have dignity? Walking, eating, breathing?

What about crawling children? Can I kill a crawling child? No, I know you were going to mention that because you think that you're like some master.

No, your argument is that. No, I was responding to them saying why not. I know, I know, but I'm pointing out to you that your argument is, if it's not a fully developed human, then we can kill it.

Okay, so at what point can I not kill my child that's not fully developed? Because nine months old, nine month olds are very dependent on their mothers.

Well, no, not birthed children. Oh, really, what's the difference? And after probably about, I would have to look at like the gestation thing because I'm not entirely sure.

But definitely after a certain point, I don't think abortion is. So what, because it's icky? No, because I think that it's different for development.

How so? What's different? You have only a set amount of eggs. You understand the DNA. The DNA.

So at that point, those were children that were given eggs that were preferred by us to become children. The human at eight months old is the self -same human, biologically, that was one day old.

Self -same. We're not going to be on the same page about when we think that consciousness is over when conception becomes life. You keep changing between size, level of development.

No, I've been pretty consistent. No, you're changing your argument because now you're saying it's consciousness. No, sir, I know you like to like gaslight

No, I haven't gaslighted you at all. I haven't called you no names. I'm saying what - I didn't say you called me names. It's not the same thing.

No, I'm just, I'm continuing the conversation. My point is, is that now you're saying consciousness.

Before it was eating, walking, breathing. Then it was not fully developed. Now you're saying consciousness.

So a person in a coma, we should be able to just kill them? No. They're not fully conscious.

I'm saying that within a certain point of pregnancy, I think that it's okay to have an abortion because a woman can make that choice herself.

And so we can kill a human being. Either way, it's going to happen. Whether people come to Planned Parenthood or not.

Just like sex trafficking. Just like theft. Just like murder. No. Should those things be banned?

Because those are within a system that is extremely corrupt. And I know you're going to say, what about this? But, but -

A million children die a year through organizations like this. 1800s, people don't have access to abortion.

It's very looked down upon, which by the way - No, they did. You're wrong about that. You're wrong about that. Not always. Abortifacients have been around since the

Roman empire. No, no, no. I know that abortion, yeah, has been around for a long time. Yeah, and in America.

But I'm saying when it was more, when there was a cultural shift that made it a lot more - It was a crime. Yeah. So that's what

I'm saying. When these people, they would go in basements and have abortions. Right. Because they had to -

Sex trafficking is also illegal, but it's still happening here in Salt Lake. So you're going to view a woman who just wants to come in here and not have to, which circling back by the way, to maternal time off, which isn't really, what are you doing to provide for women that have to take maternity care, can't miss working, can't pay rent, can't afford food.

Like it's, you're essentially only looking at life after a certain point and not caring about the rest. We've fed, sustained, paid rent for many women.

And what about their medical lasting problems? And medical bills and all the rest. Like continuing after birth. Yeah. So what you're saying is, is that if, again, once the, your argument is, is if the situation is a situation of poverty -

No, I'm just trying to get what he's doing to make sure that like there's actually lasting - Well, let me, let me, let me just point out.

My wife had to have four C -sections. Her body still has trauma from our children.

This is number four. Should he be dead? Well, it sounds like she was willing to have children.

So the, it's only, the willingness is all that matters. Yeah, kind of, yeah. Okay. So if I want somebody dead, then that's okay.

No. Because I want them dead. No, because you don't even care about the women who can't afford it. You're not answering the question.

I said no. You said it's only if they want it. And I said no. Okay. The only, if they want it.

So your answer is no. So you're changing your argument now. No, I'm not. See, I feel - Can you help me understand?

How do I, do I need to spell it out? Okay. So I'll, I'll make the, I'll make, I'll challenge you with what I asked so you can help me.

You said only if they want it. Here's my last thing. Here's my last remark. Okay. If you come here and you like to, like, like throw in arguments and then talk over people and say that they've said other things, but you're not even -

I reject that claim. Okay. You can reject it because you're too deluded to see anything else about that.

I haven't insulted you. It's just, it's just an observation. Yeah. It's just an insult. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah.

That's okay. But, so either way, women are going to make choices. Right. Regardless. People are going to own slaves.

No, it's not the same thing. It is. It's still the oppression of a human being. Sex trafficking is going to happen. Don't make it a crime.

You're talking about the women. What are you doing to make sure there's even birth control? I've already answered that. I've already answered that. You haven't answered birth control or -

If you're - Can I answer that? You're bringing it up now, I'll answer it. So if you're talking about abortifacients that actually don't stop conception, they just stop the baby from being able to implant after being formed.

Are you talking about birth control? I'm fully opposed to those abortifacient birth controls. Yes. Why? Because they don't actually stop the unique creation of a human being.

Yes, they do. No, they don't. No, they're not 100 % but they do. I'd encourage you to look it up.

I have. They create an environment where, well, clearly not because you don't know what I'm saying to you.

They create an environment inside the womb of the mother that doesn't allow the uniquely created human to actually implant.

It doesn't stop. These abortifacient birth controls don't stop the formation of a human being.

They actually - Stop it from being able to actually implant. No, because they allow it so that you're not having, well, at least,

A. So I'm saying of those abortifacient birth controls, I am opposed to this. You don't even care about birth controls. You don't care about preventing -

You know what would actually work? You know what would actually work? Abstinence. God. And that's not going to work. Us obeying

God's call - Not going to work. To actually be responsible over our own sexuality, not treat other human beings like beasts.

And what we can do is when we actually do sin and we fall into - Sex is a natural part of people's life.

How about pedophilia? Is that natural? No. No. So you do believe that there are sexual no -nos.

Absolutely. Okay, so by what standard? What's a sexual no -no? Children can't consent to an adult.

Who says that I should have followed that? You? I'm sorry, what? Children can't consent.

Okay, that's your sexual ethical standard. If you can't consent, then it can't be done.

And I'm saying, says who? You? Says personal autonomy, which has been very -

No, but that's your standard. But the pedophile, he doesn't like your standard. So give him the good news of your unbelief.

Give him the good news of your sexual ethic. He doesn't buy into your system. So by what standard do you want him to comply?

He doesn't agree with you. He likes it with the kids. Okay, but it's just the same argument you're making. Anyone can have any specific belief about that.

Thank you. So the pedophile's not only wrong, is he? According to your system. Yes, no, he is. You just said that everyone can have their own beliefs.

By my, no, I think that obviously having autonomy over your body, i .e. consent.

Fantastic, so thank you for that pro -life argument. Because the body and your body - Because I know that like children can, but you don't even care about women who don't wanna -

You're not grasping what I just said to you. No, I - You made a bodily autonomy argument, and you don't believe it.

I already know all your arguments, and they're very predictable. You don't believe your own argument.

You just said bodily autonomy and consent. For women, yes. What about the women in the womb?

The, I'm just saying that I think people should actually, like, be able to have the - But the women in the womb don't have bodily autonomy, according to you.

Well, you're arguing that just by conception that that's life, and we're not going to agree on that. Biologically, as a fact of science, that's a fact.

And you don't even agree about birth control to prevent it. No, you asked me about how I felt about it, and I said that I don't believe we should have birth controls that are abortifacients that kill children.

No. That means they're not technically abortifications, so. Abortifacients are things that actually abort the developing human being in the womb.

No, they're not, because if the - I'd encourage you just to go, we don't have to dispute anymore, you can just go look it up.

Sure, I will. Look it up. Look it up again, but the ovary, if it isn't releasing an egg in a proper environment for conception,

No, it's what it does to the walls inside the womb. People are going to keep fucking, whether you like it or not.

Yeah. That will be my lasting remark, they will. So I'll use - Abortion will happen. I'll use that, I'll use that against,

I'll use that for you, too. Sex trafficking's gonna happen, slavery's just gonna happen. That is a system of people -

Of oppression of other human beings, correct? Yeah, but that's not - Thank you. That's a logical fallacy. No, it's not. Yes, it is.

No, I'm using your moral standard, and I'm asking you to look at it. We're not going to get on the same thing. I know you'll get off - I know.

Here's why, because you need to repent, you need to repent and come to Christ. No, no.

That's why your arguments are so fallacious. Oh, are they? That's why your arguments won't work.

I actually have a very great spiritual life. Do you? Thank you, yes. Okay, so are you a believer? Are you an atheist? What are you?

No, I would say I'm spiritual. What's that mean? I believe in a higher power. Okay, how do you know that this higher power exists?

I have actually had, like, I would say some connective moments, yeah.

Okay, and so the Muslim says that too, so does the Hindu. Yeah, what's wrong with, so? Well, so does the -

Are you evangelical? So does the pedophile. Are you evangelical? He believes it's a very spiritually enlightening experience for him.

Have you heard them tell those stories about how spiritually enlightened it makes them? Because people can have their own religion.

So - Are you intolerant of - No, I'm pointing out to you that you claim to believe in a higher power, but you're basing it, your knowledge of this higher power on just your own perception and experiences.

And I'm saying, so have the - Yeah, because I don't think that if God put us here to be like, have fun, figure it out, and then you don't -

No, God spoke. I don't believe it. I'm not afraid of going to hell. Respectfully - I'm sorry if you all are. No, respectfully, I'm not afraid of going to hell.

Respectfully - I think you have God. No, respectfully, I wanna just encourage you with this. We don't believe that God just set this universe in motion and walked away from it.

God condescended and walked among us. That's who Christ is. And then women get impregnated, and that's just all kind of -

So, I'm sorry, can you help me understand what you - Women getting impregnated, isn't that technically a part of God's plan?

Yes, but we live in a fallen world, and we live in a fallen world where God creates people in his image to live like him, to love one another and do no harm.

And because we're all rebels against the same God, all of us, you and me both, we harm one another.

We sin against one another. We put people in chains. We enslave black people in a wicked way. We have sex trafficking, and we have women who waltz their children into a place like this to have them slaughtered.

Because they have a choice over their body. But that's not their body. We don't care about that. But that's not their body. We've already established that.

It's not their body. Yeah, we're not going to change about that. Right, because you're wrong. People with uteruses are going to keep having abortions.

And so are, and sex traffickers are still gonna keep kidnapping girls and sex trafficking them. We're taking away resources for them to be able to have birth control.

We don't, do you see what's next door? No, no, to have birth control. Do you see what's next door? Yeah, the Pregnancy Resource Center. So, so you said, you said we're taking away resources when there's literally a

Pregnancy Resource Center right there. Yeah, here. Yeah. Not all communities have that. Well, we have them a lot.

They're called churches. Okay, well that's not for everyone. We have a list of dozens of them in the valley here that don't kill children.

Okay, so not everyone has access, though. No, they're literally all over the valley. Nationally.

You can go anywhere in Utah and get. But then you have to assume that they have the means to get, it's just. So if a woman has a difficult time, she should just be able to kill her child.

That's really what you believe. I think that she can make a choice about her body. Because you'll never know what it's like to have a child. But it's not her body. What's in her body is not her body.

It is. Biologically, it's a fact. It is for yourself, so. This is the same line of reasoning that allows you to believe that a man who has a penis has a uterus?

No, I'm just saying that there can be trans people who have uteruses that identify as a man.

So just because you're, I get it, you're transphobic. You're not willing to go down that road. I'm not afraid of anybody, but I'm talking about if a man has a penis.

If you're incriminatory, then. If a man has a penis, you said that you would believe him if he was so self -deluded he said,

I have a uterus. If he, if they, she, whatever they identify as, there's science behind even the brain being like, showing in a certain way but biologically in the

DNA, it's a male and men don't have uteruses. Why do you give a fuck if they're like, I'm a woman, why do you care?

Because I love my neighbor. I love my neighbor enough. You love controlling men, just like you love controlling women. I love my neighbor enough to speak the truth.

The truth that they live? Where you wag your godly finger down at them. Have I, have

I wagged my finger at you? Yes, you, you literally here have like, essentially, metaphorically spat.

So metaphor, metaphorically, right, okay. Okay, so you've, you've, you've been.

I'm gonna just call you to repentance. You can trust in Christ, you'll be forgiven. You love your sin, yeah.

You do, thank you. That's all, that's all we knew would happen. Except the babies.

From the very beginning, we have said that we look forward to the day where we never ask for any more to end abortion.

We look forward to the day where we close our doors on this ministry, where we rejoice, we wash our hands of this, and it's over.

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We want to just equip you and train you and raise you up. We wanna give everything away to you, to save lives, to do this work.

And God blessed that. Again, since the beginning, tens of thousands of children have been saved through the work of endabortionnow .com,

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Five and a half years ago, I was asked a question from an African -American friend, what are you gonna do about racism as a pastor?

And I thought, I told him myself, just share the gospel. And he said, that's not enough.

And I was kind of perplexed by the question, angered by the question, gave it to God. And I said,

God, would you take this anger away and give me something in return? And he said, engage abortion. And so that's where it started, but I had no idea about the connection it had to racism.

So the reason I did it is because God brought it to me, set it upon my heart. My heart was pricked by End Abortion Now.

Even before it was called End Abortion Now, y 'all were, Apologia Church was rescuing babies.

And that was a spark. I think another thing that sparked it was I was at a T4G conference.

Together for the gospel conference, there was about 9 ,000 pastors worshiping together in Louisville at a big arena.

We broke for lunch that day, and 9 ,000 pastors were walking through Louisville together, and I thought, wow, what an impact that this should make upon this city.

And as I was in the middle of those 9 ,000 men, I looked over to the left, and there was a woman praying by herself outside of a building.

And I was curious. And so I walked over to her and said, hey, why are you praying? She said, this is an abortion facility, and I'm praying to end abortion.

And I watched 9 ,000 men walk by and not notice. And it really hit me that day.

I was like, wow, that's our nation. That's the state of the church today, that pastors, the church isn't responding to it, but that one woman was being faithful.

When I first started rescuing babies, I didn't really tell anybody what I was doing, and I didn't know what

I was doing. I didn't even know if I could have an impact. I didn't know that Tina that day would choose life, and like, well, this is great, but what do we do now?

She has needs. I realized my wallet wasn't big enough to meet all these ladies' needs, and so I had to present it to my church, and the church received it pretty well, you know, a little shocked at first.

But then we realized that the church's budget wasn't big enough to meet all the needs of the rescues that we were getting.

And so it went from one rescue to 10 rescue to 100 rescues. And so we realized, hey, we need to organize.

This is a big church thing that needs to be addressed. And so we organized

Operation Saving Life, and I got some faithful people together that had been standing with me, that had passion for this great injustice, and we organized, and we organized

Operation Saving Life. You just have to jump into it. I think I would advise everybody to come to Planned Parenthood and stand with us.

You know, there's a lot of times you think, oh, we have to have a pre -meeting, we need to meet over here and talk about it. You can do that, but the reality of it is, is you just need to come down here and observe and pray and just immerse yourself into it.

And I would say come down for a month or two and just watch and observe and understand the rhythm of what happens here.

There's a rhythm. There's things that happen here consistently, and understand those things. Understand how to engage, listen to the conversations, understand what you need to hear, see, and how you need to respond to the various situations.

Ben, you know, a lot of Christians are fearful to come here. At some point as a Christian, you just have to face the fear.

The fear's not gonna go away. You just have to face it. And once you face it, it'll eventually subside.

It might not go all the way away, but it'll subside. And as Christians, we're called to do it.

And so I would just encourage Christians to come down, you're equipped. You often think, I don't have enough.

If you know the gospel, if you have hope in Jesus, you are equipped to be here and your voice matters.

I mean, we can rely on science down here and science shows us that it's a child.

You can talk about the racist aspect, the component of this and how it was founded upon racism, but the gospel is the most powerful thing down here.

And most of the people that are walking in there just don't have hope. They don't have hope.

And we're in the Bible Belt where everybody knows something about Jesus, has heard something about the gospel, but nine out of 10 people can't convincingly, compellingly tell you what the gospel is and what it means to them.

They can't tell you anything about what the cross means and the significance of the cross. And when you bring the gospel down here, it's amazing to people that are even in churches.

It's amazing to see the light go off. And so the gospel is the answer to darkness and that light has to penetrate darkness.

It has to. I think three things that every person has to carry down here is humility, love, truth, uncompromised truth.

We try to engage people with love and truth guided by the Holy Spirit. And we're trying to get them to come to us.

And so it's really relying on the power of the Holy Spirit. And you're looking for the Holy Spirit to show you that one little thing that you see that you can speak to.

You know, as a lady drove in a couple of weeks ago and as she was driving in, she was in the back of an

Uber. And as she drove by me, the Uber driver drove by me, she lifted her hands up and she was acting like she was reaching for what

I had in my hand, like she wanted it, but the Uber driver didn't drive. I knew that he was gonna drive up to that door.

I knew I had five seconds, 10 seconds to speak to her right when she got out. I spoke very, just poignant to her.

I said, ma 'am, come get what you want, come get this, come get, and she came over to me and it led to a rescue.

That was the Holy Spirit showing me just a simple thing in her that I knew that I could command her to come to me and she would come to me.

And so humility is big. You have to look at the plank in your eye before you take the speck out of somebody else's eye.

You have to come down here in love, but also you've got to know that not everybody needs a hug. And so you have to bring with that love, truth, uncompromised truth, and you blend all that together and it just seems to work.

I had one where a young man, young lady pulled in front of me and they were sitting in their car and I was talking to them.

They had cracked the window and I knew if the wind is down, I could present the gospel or hear the gospel.

I began to present the gospel. The guy, the boyfriend was on the passenger side. He got out of the car and he was a pretty intense guy, strong guy, tall guy.

And he just looked at me, no emotion. I was sitting there thinking, man, if he comes after me, I'm done. And so we kind of looked at each other and I told him,

I said, hey, I'm not here to shame. I'm here to love you and I want you to have truth. And so he just kind of looked at me, went back down into the car, sat back down, and the window was still cracked.

And I just began to continue to give them the gospel. And I quoted Psalm 139.

I said, that child is formed in the womb. He's intricately wove together by the

Lord. And there was a commotion in the car and the car began to shake. I didn't know what was going on.

I thought they were in an argument. And all of a sudden, the guy gets back out of the car again and he looks at me and I thought, oh, this is it.

You know, he's gonna come after me or something. And he begins to walk to me with no emotion.

And he walks up and he gets right up to me and he opens his arms and he grabs me and he hugs me.

And he begins to cry, I began to cry. And he said, hey, when you quoted, whatever it is you quoted, that scripture, he said, we had never felt the baby move.

But when you quoted whatever you quoted, the baby began to leap in her stomach and it drew out so much emotion.

We started crying and we knew we didn't have to kill the baby. At that moment, the mom got out of the car and brought the gospel to us.

And brought the gospel to us. It was such a movement of the Holy Spirit. We all started crying. We're in a circle.

And she proclaimed the gospel back to us. And that child lives today. She's investigating whether or not she should have the abortion.

What would you tell her? I would tell her she is made in the image of God. She is made to love, to nurture, to protect, to live sacrificially for that child.

And if she is a mother, if she's pregnant right now, you are the mother of a child.

And God designed you to be a mother of a living child. If you kill that child, you're still gonna be a mother, but you're gonna be the mother of a dead child.

And you don't wanna live under the pain and the oppression of abortion. That pain is real, it is relentless, and it doesn't go away.

It doesn't go away. God's mercy is there. His grace is there. And it's always there.

But the pain of abortion is always there as well. And you don't wanna step into that. God created you.

He gave you choice. Choice is awesome. We're for choice. But that choice either proves a love for God or a love for evil.

So choose life, let that baby live, and the Lord will bless you. It's time to end the compromise.

It's time to end the inconsistencies. It's time to actually stand on what the word of God says under the authority of Jesus Christ, to be consistent for the sake of these children, to actually do what we say we want to do, to actually look like we believe what we say about the pre -born.

2024 is gonna be our most important year yet. It's a critical year in our nation on a number of levels.

18 prospective states next session, churches being raised up to save lives where they're being taken.

You can be a part of this ministry, this work of the Christian church to end child sacrifice.

You can be a part of it. Go to EndDivortionNow .com to sign up, to get your church signed up, save lives with us.

Go to EndDivortionNow .com to sign the statement for equal protection, and also go to EndDivortionNow .com

and please give financially to this Christian ministry that is standing on the authority of God's word with the gospel in front of us to end child sacrifice.

Thank you. My name is

Stephen Smith, and I minister out in front of a killing facility in Augusta, Georgia five days a week.

The days that they're open, and I rescue babies for Jesus. Back in 2015, you remember those

Planned Parenthood videos where they were selling body parts? I think a lot of those videos shook people up.

We happened to watch that video at the same time that we saw Babies Are Murdered here. Jeff Durbin recommended it on his radio show, and I was listening to that radio show on a

BART train out in California coming home from work, and I was studying post -millennialism and kind of apologetics, and I decided to watch this movie and sit down with my wife and watch it, and this was right in the middle of those videos coming out.

I think the first or second one had just come out, and it just, it opened our eyes.

So that was the impetus for me to go out with my wife. In fact, the next night or the night after, the next weekend, day off, she got some signs, some poster boards, and made a

Babies Are Murdered here sign, and I wanna let you know, you don't have to be eloquent. You just have to show up.

She actually misspelled the sign and didn't put E -D, just put R -D at the end, so, but we used that sign, and God used us, and He started us to be where we're at today.

I wanna be there a half hour early at the least, because I wanna be there to look like the first one that they'll see.

You're always gonna see somebody come in. They don't wanna break that ice. They don't wanna jump over that hedge of thorns that you've already prepared.

They'll shark around. It's a cul -de -sac where I serve, so it's in a medical center. You'd see all the other businesses around it.

They look identical, but that's the one where they killed 12 to 15 children a day, and if it weren't for those graphic image signs and someone standing there with literature and offering help, they would think it's just a dentist's place, you know?

So it's important to be there first and to be that witness, that Samaritan that'll offer help to somebody in need or give information.

Paul talks about the purpose of the church, bringing Jew and Gentile together. You know, in Ephesians 2, he talks about the unity of the body, but he actually talks about what the purpose and mission of the church is, and this is so important, especially in an abortion ministry where you're fighting wicked spirits.

Check this out. It says, the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things, so that through the church, the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places.

We're taking these places back to Jesus. We're dismantling. We're putting these wicked rulers and the world on notice that Jesus is king, so this is a church operation.

It has to be done through the church, through the gospel, and that's the problem with the pro -life movement.

It's not movie passes and balloons out there. It's not gonna change your heart. We see people with Porsches and Maseratis show up.

We see pastors show up. We see the killing of babies. We see people that it's not really what's in their wallet.

It's what's not in their heart. The gospel is the holiness and righteousness of God revealed to sinful man, right?

So we wanna show that. We wanna show man. We wanna show God. We wanna show how

God can be right with man. It's a spiritual issue. Christ says, just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the

Son of Man be lifted up. When we lift up Christ, we preach him. We preach him and he draws men to himself.

So that's the effective part of ministry. A lot of Christ's ministry, he was speaking the hard things.

You can speak the hard things winsomely. You can do that. In fact, you should do that, but it's the humanism that's gonna destroy your ministry.

You know, the man -centered, oh, if they only had this, only their wallet was fatter. You know, you can actually be taken as a sucker doing that.

Helping some but throwing pillows on it. When I come out of a background of being a drug addict,

I didn't stop and turn to Christ because people were throwing pillows under my head.

You know, I stopped when I realized my need for God. You know, well,

I like to ask people, why would you not? And make them think, well, there's other things that I can be doing.

I'd encourage them to look in Scripture and see what happens to nations that kill their children.

And see if you're loving any of your neighbors by letting this happen, knowing what God says about it.

Because I think every Christian in some level should practice true and undefiled love. And I think that's the key to the gospel of religion, which is to visit the orphan in their affliction.

So like, I don't know what you would want to be, how you would want to be in this ministry. I don't think everybody is called to be in front of a mill at the same time, you know.

They could be supporting somebody at a mill. We see a lot of fruit out there. And not every turn away is a happy story for them.

At that point, I'm sure that they'll come to realize, you know, that what God did. Hopefully, we try to tell people, you know, how did

God change your mind? I think that's important to always point them back to God. Otherwise, they're gonna think that they made a good decision on their own.

That's not what I want somebody to walk away from. But we have one lady that you'll be speaking with.

Her name's Grace. She made three attempts at this mill on her child's life, and one in Atlanta.

And that child's alive today, a beautiful baby. She came to her senses. She comes out and serves in the ministry on Saturday mornings now.

And you can't argue with that. Another thing is like when a brother calls you that you don't know or messages you on Facebook and says, oh brother,

I want to do what you're doing. When you see that you put some videos out, you may have just been clearing your camera out.

You know, I'm just gonna put this on YouTube. I'm gonna save it out there. See what, you know, maybe this will help somebody. But when you find out that somebody's watching those videos and being discipled on them and wants to do what you're doing, and then he's doing it daily, that's like a true victory.

Yeah, or when you see a father man up and go rescue his child, that's a cool one too.

Yeah, I say this to women, whatever you do, you're never gonna be the same.

You're never gonna be the same. You'll never regret not murdering your baby.

Something's gonna happen to you if you do. We live in God's world. That's the fact.

He has a law. He says, cursed are the hands that shed innocent blood. I don't know what that looks like, but you're not gonna be the same.

And there's folks that'll help you. There are Christians out there. If you seek God, he'll provide for you.

And he'll do it through his church. He will. He does it all the time. Hi everybody,

I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin, the head of End Abortion Now. I wanna start this by, from the bottom of my heart, thanking all of you who have been a part of this ministry with us since the very beginning.

When we started End Abortion Now, we wanted to save lives. And when we started that work, God blessed it.

And we have been able to raise up about 1 ,000 churches across the U .S. and really around the world, the

Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland. Everything was given away for free to these churches.

Nothing was asked of them. We've equipped them. We've raised them up. And now they're saving lives.

God's blessed that work. God also blessed us, as many of you know, in the area of having a prophetic witness, a voice to legislators across the country.

And over the years, through your partnership with us, we've been able to get bills of equal protection and abolition into states across the

United States of America. This next session, we have prospectively commitments from legislators in 18 states across the

United States of America. That's 18 states that are gonna be putting in bills of equal protection and abolition of abortion.

It's incredible. It's overwhelming. It's a huge gift. And what we need this next year, 2024, is we need your prayers.

We need your partnership. We need you to go to endabortionnow .com, sign the statement of equal protection, get connected, get your church involved.

We wanna help you. We also need you to partner with us financially. 2024 actually presents incredible opportunities for us as a ministry.

Not only do we have all of these states that we have bills of equal protection set to go into, but now we have the past history of going and sitting before legislators, sitting in state legislatures, and actually working for these bills of abolition.

The tide is changing. It is truly changing. And with what just took place in Ohio with the ballot measure, it has emboldened many, many

Christians to take a stand once and for all for what is right before God and take a stand for justice for the pre -born children.

Next year, 2024 is going to be our most important and our busiest year we've had yet.

And so I wanna ask you as a brother, as a friend, as a ministry partner, to partner with us again in 2024.

Help us to meet our budget goals so that we can accomplish all that God has given to us to establish justice for these fatherless children and to once and for all end child sacrifice.

Please partner with us. Go to endabortionnow .com to give, pray, and to sign up.

And the only reason why you or me or anybody else is involved in this fight is because we are His.

It was, we're in Him. We're one within Him. And so therefore we're in the fight because it's

His fight. Right. And so it's all glory to Him. How did you get involved with the fight for babies?

Really, it was from my pastor talking and preaching on abortion. And then he sent us to End Abortion Now to the conference that the first conference you guys had.

And that's where God really opened my eyes to it and called us to the mills in 2017.

Now I'm a full -time guy at the mill and full -time missionary supported by the church and other churches in the area.

And I go to the mill in Flint, Michigan five days a week. Well, the main goal is to glorify

God, glorify Him in all that we do at the mill and worship

Him and preach the gospel. And that through the preaching of the gospel that abortion will end is because Christ is putting all of His enemies under His feet.

And we just go and tell other people that Christ is King. But that's the main objective.

The gospel is important because without the gospel there is no exposure of the darkness and there's no life really to be brought, right?

Because God uses the gospel to bring life, to call dead people to life like we were.

We were once dead and He, through the gospel, gave us life. And without the hearts of the people changing, abortion will continue.

And really, when you think about it, abortion is here really because we've turned our back on God and it's a judgment from God upon the land.

He's just given us over to just a debased mind where we'll actually kill our own children.

That's one thing that you really realize when God shows you through scripture that the shedding of innocent blood, it really defiles the land and its inhabitants.

And we are responsible for what's going on right around us to love our neighbors and to speak up and to tell our magistrates and teach them to obey

Christ and what He's said. So yeah, it's really on us.

That's why you should get involved. So when you start, really, it's from a love for, well,

God breaks you if He's broken you. And you see like, wow, this blood really is in my hands. I haven't been doing anything.

I've been apathetic. And He grants your repentance. And He gives you love for those little babies and love for your neighbor.

But it has to come from a love for God. And then from that, it flows out.

It always goes back to Christ and that He went and laid His life down. And for the joy that set before Him, went to death.

He went down on a cross, like the Bible says. And so we get to go and lay our lives down by His power, by His spirit.

He's the one that gives us the endurance to do that if that so come, right? We go out there, lay our lives down and watch

God move, you know? So the Christian life is really laying life down and we win.

It's like, you want to think like that's what it is. We lay our life down and we win because Christ already won by laying

His life down, you know? That's one of the awesome things of going out there and really like if you, and that's something

I tell the person I'm wanting to get involved to, like to know God, right? So as Christians, that's one of our main, our cry, basically, or our prayers.

We want to know Him more, right? We want to see Him more and know Him more. Well, you'll know Him more out at the mills and in the fight.

You'll see Him more and you'll watch Him move and do the things that you, and you see Him the same as the scripture doing things, you know, like in power.

He's a God of power, right? And so that's something that is really encouraging to go out and watch

God move and see Him save lots of babies. And yeah, I always tell moms that we're here in the name of Jesus Christ, you know?

That's the most important name that you need to hear is His name, that He's the Savior of the world, that He came to save sinners, the worst of the worst, like He saved me.

And that you're not alone, that there's help everywhere. There's people that will love you and help you and walk with you.

And that your baby's a gift from God, a precious gift, and it's your son or daughter. And this abortion is really murder.

God says, thou shall not murder. And that's what you're doing if you go through the abortion is you're really literally murdering your own son or your own daughter.

And so to look away from abortion, the lies of the abortion clinic and look to Christ and reach out for help.

You know, there's a lot of times where we don't feel like, we might feel like we're alone or you don't wanna ask for help, but you just have to ask for help.

Don't go to the abortion clinic and ask for help because they're not gonna give you any help. They're gonna kill your baby.

So look to Christ and trust in Him and there's people that will help you. I am very, very lucky.

They slept great through the night, great through the day, well eaters.

I have no complaints. He loves to be cuddled and held, barely ever cries.

I feel like I was blessed and because I made a really positive and good decision, that God blessed me with a really good baby.

My name is Devine and then this little guy right here is Oliver and he is seven months old.

Initially, what took me out to the abortion clinic was with my last pregnancy, I was diagnosed with hypermesis gravidarum and that is just like excessive throwing up and being really, really, really sick while you're pregnant.

And it put me out of work and we were already struggling and trying to recover with our finances. So it was really probably money issues,

I would say. What I remember when I pulled in that day was there were a whole bunch of people standing at the road protesting and I felt very overwhelmed and uncomfortable because I did already have a daughter and I also was adopted so I knew every option and other road that I could possibly take on.

And when I saw them, I also felt like a sense of relief when I got there too.

That day I was experiencing a lot of over emotions and I was overwhelmed, stressed and I just didn't really know which way to turn.

Probably also a little numb, I want to say, just because I didn't fully believe in that decision, having an abortion, so I was conflicted.

And when I went there that day, I already knew that I didn't really want to go through with having the abortion and so when

I got out of my car, I did go into the office but they told me that you needed to do walk -in appointments only and when

I got there, they said, they told me you needed to call and make an appointment so they actually had no walk -ins available.

And it was about an hour drive from my house so I would have to go home and find another way to come back.

So it felt in a way like it wasn't something that I was supposed to do and then as I was pulling away, they came up to my car window because there was a lot of traffic and asked me to roll my window down and I did.

And then we had a nice conversation about why I felt the way I did about having an abortion and where in life and what it was

I was struggling with. They ended up giving me money that day on the spot for groceries because we were short on rent and stuff because I was already getting sick and I was only like eight weeks pregnant and they helped me out that week with groceries and then they also gave me their phone number and told me that I should call them and get in touch with them.

And so it was more me being adopted and just talking about the other routes that I could take that really led me to be like, someone else saved me and showed me a route of love that I know no matter the struggle and mine was only with money that I could still keep my son.

It's hard to imagine if the church wasn't there that day because I don't know what the outcome would have actually been.

I don't know if I would have gone through it with how bad we are struggling but ultimately

I would have come to the decision I think that I would have kept him anyway but the way my life is going right now with work and family and still living in this state and having full custody of my kids turned out beneficial because if it would have went any other way he wouldn't be here or I wouldn't be blessed with the job opportunities and everything that has come my way since I was able to keep him.

I could not honestly imagine life without Oliver. He is perfect.

He resembles a lot of his sister. They both took on the date the 12th of the year so he didn't want her to be the only star in my life and then he copied her with the helmet.

He's moving and growing so much and then I get to see him and work with him every single day so I couldn't imagine life any other way.

He is actually the first boy in my family on my side from my grandparents so my dad is thrilled he now has a fishing buddy and everybody else just loves him because everybody's squishy.

What I would say to a mom who is leaning towards getting an abortion is to personally wait and to look into resources in your community in your churches that can offer you some help no matter what the issue is whether it's not being with the father anymore being young that you have to tell your parents or your grandparents or your guardian whether in and out of trouble alcohol issues whatever it is your kids love you from the moment they are made inside of you and you can feel that love before you even take a test and everything through them is brand new and it just reminds you of all the little things in life whether you didn't have a family growing up your parents weren't around I was adopted growing up my birth parents were in and out of jail but there's nothing more empowering than overcoming your struggles and making a change and we can't make a change without actually stopping the wrongs and doing what's right and what's right is saving lives and making a positive impactful change amongst them and yourselves

Hi everybody I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin the head of End Abortion Now I want to start this by from the bottom of my heart thanking all of you who have been a part of this ministry with us since the very beginning when we started

End Abortion Now we wanted to save lives and when we started that work God blessed it and we have been able to raise up about a thousand churches across the

U .S. and really around the world the Republic of Ireland Northern Ireland Scotland everything was given away for free to these churches nothing was asked of them we've equipped them we've raised them up and now they're saving lives

God's blessed that work God also blessed us as many of you know in the area of having a prophetic witness a voice to legislators across the country and over the years through your partnership with us we've been able to get bills of equal protection and abolition into states across the

United States of America this next session we have prospectively commitments from legislators in 18 states across the

United States of America that's 18 states that are going to be putting in bills of equal protection and abolition of abortion it's incredible it's overwhelming it's a huge gift and what we need this next year 2024 is we need your prayers we need your partnership we need you to go to EndAbortionNow .com

sign the statement of equal protection get connected get your church involved we want to help you we also need you to partner with us financially 2024 actually presents incredible opportunities for us as a ministry not only do we have all of these states that we have bills of equal protection set to go into but now we have the past history of going and sitting before legislators sitting in state legislatures and actually working for these bills of abolition the tide is changing it is truly changing and with what just took place in Ohio with the ballot measure it has emboldened many many

Christians to take a stand once and for all for what is right before God and take a stand for justice for the pre -born children next year 2024 is going to be our most important and our busiest year we've had yet and so I want to ask you as a brother as a friend as a ministry partner to partner with us again in 2024 help us to meet our budget goals so that we can accomplish all that God has given to us to establish justice for these fatherless children and to once and for all end child sacrifice please partner with us go to endabortionnow .com