Woke Evangelicals & Media Elites Politicize GA Shooting

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Welcome to the Conversations That Matter podcast. My name is John Harris. Tragic situation.

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Many of you have probably heard of it happening right now. I didn't think I'd be commenting on it, but actually it did happen,

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I should say, in Georgia with this shooting. I don't even want to say the perpetrator's name. I probably will be forced to later in the show.

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But it's being politicized. It's being politicized very soon after it happened within hours.

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And I'm not that old, but I'm old enough to remember when we didn't politicize things this quickly as a culture.

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I think since I can remember, there's always been people that wanted to take guns, who would use shootings, but there was a time of respect and just mourning.

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There was a time for, at least as I remember it, there was just a time that people didn't really point fingers.

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And now today, everything is so politicized, the finger pointing starts off so quickly. And I'm not doing that.

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That's not what this podcast is about. But I want to respond, for those who are interested, to some of the finger pointers.

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And I didn't want to do a podcast on this, I'll be honest. I just thought this is a horrible situation.

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I didn't think I'd be sitting here, but people have been sending me screenshots of the way that different Christian social justice activists are using this, and it's frankly disgusting.

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Siding with the mainstream media to blame this somehow on Christians, and this legacy of racism and sexism, etc.

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And some of these ways of analyzing it are so ridiculous that there needs to be some kind of a response.

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I don't know. I can't stand the fact that this is happening. I can't stand the fact that this is the case, it seems like, with every national tragedy or violent crime that should be mourned over.

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We should be praying right now for, and I did just before the program, for strength for the families of the victims, for the churches to be involved, and the gospel would go forward, because our days are numbered.

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We don't know when we're going to die, and something like this, it's unexpected. But whether expected or unexpected, we need to make things right with our

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Creator. And that's where the churches in that area can, and the

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Christians that go to them, can be used. And I just, the fact that this is being politicized by Christians, nonetheless, people who,

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I should say, who claim to be Christians, is kind of disturbing. So we're going to go through some of this, and I'm going to point out some of the problems with the way that it's being used, politicized,

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Lord willing. First a few, I have some good news, though, I want to share with you, and some also announcements.

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Paint the wall black. And if you haven't seen that, by the way, you need to go see that. Paint the wall black, the Nene's Deli story, is going to be airing on OAN, One American News next week.

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I've just gotten word, and that's exciting. I didn't think that it would be airing on that particular channel,

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I emailed them, and within hours, I got an email back saying that they would be happy to air it, and this is due to your support.

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I mean, I just want to thank you all once again, I mean, you know, whatever numbers you see on YouTube, you know, I don't know how many people have seen it now at the various versions, you know, 37 ,000 or so, there will probably be hundreds of thousands,

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I'm thinking, that will see it next week when it airs on One American News. That's thanks to you, I mean, look, we couldn't have done this,

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I'll put the link in the info section. You can go to, actually, I think I have, yes,

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I do have a little screenshot here, to GiveSendGo, and find it there as well, our

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American Monument documentary, and I believe it's just GiveSendGo backslash American Monument documentary, and you can support our next documentary that we're making, and I don't know if they'll air it on OAN or not, but, you know, who knows?

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We're just really happy that Juan's story, though, is getting out there, and we're hoping to do a lot more in a similar vein.

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Another, oh, some other pieces of good news here, DiscerningChristians .com, you can see here that the map is getting fuller, we're putting churches on the map, and this is what

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I want to ask you to help us with. If you know of a church that is against social justice, it's a solid church, you know it's doctrinally sound, and,

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I mean, you can see the Statement of Faith at DiscerningChristians .com, they're against social justice, against Darwinism, please comment on this video, put the church name, its address, and then its website, that's the best way to do it, and I'll add it here,

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I mean, you can add it yourself, you can go to DiscerningChristians .com, create a profile, and add a church yourself, but if you don't know how to do that, just put it, you know, comment underneath the video.

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This website has been, it's being built kind of step by step, and I haven't blasted it big, we haven't paid for any advertising, and I haven't gone out there and really encouraged people to sign up, because we just want to make sure that all the kinks are worked out, that it's very user -friendly, and right now

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I know the web developer's working on a church planning section, so you can put down that you're a church planner, where you're planting, that kind of thing, and then also,

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I think an app, building an app. So things are coming along with this, and I just wanted to bring that to your attention.

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And I would encourage you, if you can, go and sign up for an account now. If you're a pastor, especially, you want to get on this before it goes big and mainstream and all that, because you're gonna want to take advantage of the,

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I mean, it's free advertising, if anything else, but you know, the goal of this is to go around the institutions to show here are the

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Christians and churches, and maybe there's an area where there's a lot of Christians and not a lot of churches, which church planners can identify as a place to plant, but it's to go around the institutions and to promote solid churches, so.

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Other piece of really good news, Pastor James Coates, to be released from jail as Crown withdraws charges, this was posted on March 17th, and this is just incredible news.

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A lot of people, a lot of Christians have been praying for this, and it just goes to show you that even in Canada, where it's very liberal, progressive,

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I should say, they cannot keep someone like James Coates in jail indefinitely, they just, they can't do it.

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And that's a good thing, that, you know, culture, the elites that are responsible for the

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Great Reset are trying to get culture up to speed with what they want as quickly as they possibly can, and it's not going quite as quickly as they want.

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They can't even keep someone like Pastor James Coates in jail. I think they fined him $100, and they kept one charge. But incredible good news, answer to prayer, so I wanted to share that with you as well.

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Let's talk about this Georgia shooting now. This is the first I saw of the reporting at, it was at the gym, and CNN was on the television on one of, they have a number of channels, and one of them was

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CNN, and it says, breaking news, at least eight people killed at three Atlanta area spas, four of the dead are

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Asian women. And I think it's eight people killed, one wounded, and I think it might be six

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Asian people, I don't know, but this was the initial reporting. And I remember thinking to myself, is the crime worse because half the victims are

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Asian women? Does that make this a worse offense somehow? And I mean, that should be an appalling thing to,

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I mean, a human life is gone as a result of murder. It doesn't matter if they're red, yellow, black, green,

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I mean, who cares what they look like, what the melanin count in their skin is, or what their facial features are, or any of that.

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They're human beings made in the image of God that have died as a result of murder. And yet the way this is being spun from the outset is that four of them are

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Asian women. So you, on CNN, you can just read between the lines what they're trying, you don't have to, you can just listen to their commentary.

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They're angling for a motive already saying this must be racism. They're Asian women, or maybe sexism, they're women.

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So this is, you know, it's a white male perpetrator and just had a problem with women, had a problem with minorities or something, and this is what's motivating it.

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And you don't know that yet. But it just, it tastes bad, it looks bad, it smells bad when this is what the discourse is within, you know, when the paint's still dry, and you're already talking about the fact that, well, you know, some of those victims, they're

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Asian, they're women. So what, do their lives mean more, I mean, what's the,

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I mean, the insinuation is there from the beginning, and it's just, you know, it's a false accusation, you know, it could be true, but you don't know that yet.

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So at the point with the information that's known at the time, it's false, according to all the information that's available.

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You can't make that claim. And yet this is supposedly mainstream journalism. Here's a story, just this was today, hashtag stop

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Asian hate, Asian Americans grieve organized in wake of Atlanta attacks. And we still don't know,

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I mean, there's still no verified anything showing that this shooting was motivated by a hatred for Asian Americans or Asians in general, or Asian women in particular.

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Maybe there was some of that, I don't know, but no one knows right now with the information we have publicly available.

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So why keep making this case that it was, that this was the motive?

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That, I mean, this is an accusation that it's, and the insinuation is that it's widespread.

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It's not just this one shooter. It's, we got to stop this Asian hate everywhere. It's just everywhere. You know, one guy, he went a little too far with his hate.

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He took it to the step of murder, but yeah, this Asian hate apparently is, it needs rallies against it or hashtags or it's,

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I don't know, it's truly remarkable to see. I mean, the lack of just logical thinking on any of this.

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And of course we know the reason, this is critical theory playing itself out. This is blaming, extrapolating from an individual's actions, a group of people, you know, making it seem like it's much bigger, this is a problem with Americans or Christians, and then using it to forward some kind of this narrative that there's just this, all this hate out there and everyone needs to get on board.

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And if they don't get on board, they're part of the problem. We've seen this over and over. We keep getting played with these, as Michael O 'Fallon likes to call them, these fertile fallacies, that these knee -jerk reactions to everything.

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And we still haven't analyzed this. We still, and we may never know fully what was going through this young man's head.

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It's very sad. Massage parlor massacres suspect he loved guns and God, Daily Beast.

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So there you go. That could be part of the motive. He loved guns and God. I mean, is that the motive here?

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Do we know that's the motive? He loved guns and God, so next thing you know, he's gonna go shoot up a place. It's kind of disgusting, guys.

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I hope you see how this is working. And I, you know, for those who have studied history, especially those who have studied

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World War II and what led up to that, I hope you're seeing some parallels here. I hope you're seeing a vilification of certain classes of people based on the actions of an individual, the reactions of, you know, a very small minority of people, and just forwarding lies about, you know, lies to reinforce a narrative, because the narrative's all that matters.

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And here's, here's a report on a possible motive, right? We don't know, but here, this is, this seems like the closest, you know, piece of information we have to making sense of this.

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Tyler Bayless said that he shared a housing unit with the perpetrator at Maverick Recovery, a rehab facility in Roswell, Georgia, between 2019 and 2020.

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Most residents were suffering from drug or alcohol addiction. The perpetrator was being treated for sex addiction. It was something that absolutely would torture him,

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Bayless said. He said Long was a deeply religious person. He would often go on tangents about his interpretation of the

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Bible and was distraught about his addiction to sex. Bayless said that on multiple occasions during his stay at the facility,

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Long told him that he had relapsed and gone to massage parlors explicitly to engage in sex acts.

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He said he didn't know whether Long had specifically gone to any of the spas where he allegedly shot eight people dead

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Tuesday night. Bayless, who hasn't spoken with Long since Long left the recovery facility, said he had never heard him say anything derogatory about Asian people.

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After hearing Long was the suspect in the shootings, Bayless said that he was shocked. The perpetrator seemed calm, collected, and nice, a normal guy.

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Another former roommate of Long's told CNN that Long had been in rehabilitation for sex addiction.

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He recognized him when he saw him. He never heard Long say anything racial. Here's the thing.

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We don't have any evidence. It seems like what evidence we do have goes against the notion that this was motivated by a hatred for some kind of ethnic minorities or racially motivated hatred.

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We don't see that. We do see the possibility that there's something involving sex addiction is at play here.

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But we don't know what. Possibly. We don't even, we just don't know. Maybe did he know these people from frequenting these places?

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I mean, this is 2019. August 2019, he's at a rehab facility.

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So you got to figure, I mean, he's had this, this addiction has been going on way before that to get to that point.

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And for someone who, I'm not saying a Christian can't have sinful struggles in their lives, but for, you know, the idea that this was just this gun -toting, you know,

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Bible preaching kind of good Christian man who just snapped one day and went and shot up a place is just not accurate.

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Clearly, there was something going on wrong with this young man's life. And it had been going on for, for a few years.

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There was a pattern of sin there, and some serious sin. And it, you know, obviously culminated in what just happened.

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But we don't know if there was, it was a financial dispute of some kind, because he knew these people from frequenting their establishments.

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We don't know if, I mean, it's trying, the sort of the way it's being painted by some is that this was, if it wasn't racism, it must have been motivated by some kind of a sexism.

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You know, women were the problem. And so he had to go shoot some women. And we don't know that either yet. Obviously this person, it doesn't sound like they've been walking with the

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Lord, at least in a strong way for a long time. So the information we do have, the little glimpse into it seems to contradict the narrative that is being spun.

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And here's some of the narrative that's being spun. I want to show you, this is the lesson from this. I want to show you how the social justice, quote unquote,

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Christians side with the secular media to vilify conservative Christians. And it's disgusting.

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It's really disgusting. Robert Jones, he is the, writes for the

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Atlantic, right? Not incidental, Atlanta Murder suspects

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SBC Church belongs to Founders Ministries group that claims white fragility is pro -racism, calls critical race theory godless and materialistic ideologies equates women preaching with abuse.

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So that's the problem. I mean, he went to a church that told him that women shouldn't preach because the Bible says that, and that critical race theory is wrong.

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And next thing you know, he's just going to go shoot people. I mean, this is what passes for journalism. This is someone who supposedly is supposed to be giving the truth to people.

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I don't think so. This is political hackery. Here's Ruth Graham. She writes a lot and for the

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New York Times on these issues. I've actually, I think years ago, I had a, I talked,

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I don't know if I talked with her. She left a message on my phone. That's what I remember about something. I don't, we never talked,

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I don't think. But here's what she said, Crab Apples, lengthy bylaws cover, this is the church,

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Crab Apples, the church I think he went to, the lengthy bylaws cover a wide spectrum of theological and moral issues.

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Crab Apple also placed itself in a list of churches friendly to the missions of Founders Ministries, a group within the

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SBC that has criticized the nomination for what characterizes as progressivism. The group sounds the alarm about critical race theory, intersectionality and social justice.

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She did mention, good, that Jared Longshore, the vice president for Founders, described the shootings as grievous and heart -wrenching.

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But I mean, you can see what she puts on her Twitter. He was one of those core young men involved in everything we did.

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The suspect and his parents attended an evangelical church, and there's a picture of the church and that's the story, it's the New York Times story that she put out.

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That's what she wants you to take away, that he's a church man. He went to church and by the way, he's part of this network against progressivism.

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I mean, this is what you get, I guess, in conservative churches, right? Here's Alyssa Wilkinson, a staff writer for Vox.

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And she says, I don't know if I have the first part of this tweet. I think

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I'm missing something here. That eliminating the source of sex addiction excuse sounds really familiar if you grew up in certain segments of conservative

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Christianity, and it's been messing with my head all day. It's in no way separate or distinct from racism.

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I mean, you have someone thoroughly given over, someone whose mind is thoroughly given over to social justice here, because she can't see the difference, because her intersectionality, it's all power relationships, right?

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So whether it's sexism, race, it doesn't matter. It's all the same stuff. And that's what she says.

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There's no way to separate the sexism basically from racism. And that this is about eliminating the source of sex addiction.

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We don't know that yet. We don't know that that's his motive. But even if it was, to go the extra step and to say that this is something, this is

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Christianity at play here. Christianity didn't teach him to do this, to go shoot up a place.

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I mean, if it was a good, solid Bible -believing church that's conservative, they're teaching him to mortify his flesh.

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They're teaching him to walk the path that Jesus walked, delayed gratification, not to go shoot people.

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So that is Alyssa Wilkinson. And so these are secular voices, but the interesting thing is you start looking at some of the more progressive

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Christians, the woke evangelicals, you start seeing the same kind of thing. Thomas Horrocks, whose pinned tweet is loving our neighbors means dismantling the systems that oppress them, said at some point, we're going to have to reckon with the fact that these shootings in Atlanta and the response to them reveal the need for us to think intersectionally.

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These killings happen at the intersection of both racialized and sexualized violence. Maybe they're humans that died and that's where their worth comes from.

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Not the fact that they're not more worthy. This is just insane to me. It's just insane.

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It's like reverse engineering a motive based on the crime. Look at the crime and then it's like, we know the motive from what happened.

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You don't always know the motive from what happened. You could be completely misdiagnosing this.

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And of course, it's worse if it's two minority identities at play here,

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I guess. Not just the fact that they're humans that died, that are made in God's image.

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He also says, according to him, his actions were motivated, the perpetrator's actions were motivated by an attempt to eliminate sexual temptation. Really?

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According to him? Conservative Christianity often teaches that women are to blame for men's lust. Really? I've never heard that.

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I've been around conservative Christianity my whole life. I've never once heard that. I've heard a lot of hard talk against men. I've never heard that.

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Women are really the ones responsible. I've heard that it's important for women to dress modestly and things like this, but it's not like they're the ones causing, they're the root of, men can't do anything.

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They can't stop their temptations or anything because women dress a certain way. No, men have self -control.

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There's a steering wheel and there's a brake pedal. I've never heard what this man is alleging.

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It also teaches men that sexual impurity is a battle that must be fought. Well, yeah. I mean, look,

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Thomas Horrocks, do you think something different, that sexual purity is not a battle? I mean, I thought, I mean, this is the interesting thing.

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The same crowd that's all about like, you know, it's wrong to rate rape culture so bad and it's in Christianity.

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It's just everywhere. It's on college campuses, just rape culture and we should believe women and stuff.

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All of a sudden, when something like this happens, is it wrong to battle against sexual impurity or is it just the use of the term battle, since he has that in quotes?

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I mean, you can't have it both ways. Which one? Which one do you want? He says, this is the man who killed eight people.

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Here's a picture of him, including six Asian women in day spas in Atlanta. This photo was taken from his testimony when he was baptized.

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He was a member of the Baptist church, the son of a youth minister. And that was in 2018, I believe, that he was baptized. So I mean, obviously sad.

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Obviously there's still questions, I think a lot of people have, but this guy's using it for political hackery.

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I would just never trust a man like this. He's got a book and he's got a podcast and he's got almost 10 ,000 followers on Twitter.

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But this man is not to be trusted. There's no truth in any of this.

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This is pure political opportunism. Jim Artisbe, much the same thing.

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The plot thickens. The suspect's church is a member of Founders Ministry. And cites

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Robert Jones there. You got Jim Artisbe citing Ruth Graham and saying he's,

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I mean, I don't know how much of this I want to even read. Let's see.

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So what he's saying is that he's trying to stereotype the kind of churches, you know, progressive churches, or conservative churches that don't like progressives, and he stereotypes them.

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They're the places where you get in trouble for stringing the words black lives matter together, you know, that kind of thing, advocating for women in church leadership.

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That's the kind of thing that must have led to this. And so he says, again, churches are not responsible for every individual actions of their members.

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But here's the big but. When you steep your flock in ideas that exclude and demonize the community, bears responsibility.

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Your ideas, words and actions failed to challenge or worse, actively promoted racism and sexism.

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So he knows it's racism and sexism just because of the way the victims appear. I mean, that's racism and sexism.

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I mean, you know that that was the motive just because of the way the victims look, because of it's a bunch of assumptions strung together.

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Rachel Denhollander, sit with it. Everyone is comfortable with slippery slope arguments until we're discussing how the tone, tenor and ideologies can be a slippery slope to extreme conclusions and actions.

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And really, when women are blamed for their own abuse, or there's little care that they are, and women are counseled to be sexually available to solve husband's porn addictions, or we don't care when they are, or they are talked about with vitriol and categorized as dangerous, then we've already done what the shooter did in ideology, treated women as the cause and solution to men's sexual problems and normalize sexually abhorrent behaviors as every man's battle, which is a shot at a book.

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And the slippery slope to extreme actions can't be divorced from the root. So she's blaming this on purity culture. Yeah, purity culture creates this kind of thing.

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Again, we don't know exactly what all the motive here is. We don't know exactly what led to it. Could this guy have had a really warped understanding of, hey, that's the temptation,

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I need to eliminate it. I mean, if you're, I guess, mentally disturbed or something, sure, or demons are whispering in your ear, go take care of your temptation.

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I guess that's a possibility, but it's not from, it's not because he read every man's battle. I can tell you that.

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It's not because he's reading books that say, that teach you how to fight, or at least attempt to teach you how to fight sexual addiction and that kind of thing.

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She also says the man who murdered women in the massage parlor, he says he was eliminating temptation because he had a sex addiction.

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He was a member of an SBC church, brothers, pastors, seminary heads, how you teach sexuality matters.

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It can be life and death. So this is the disgusting part to me. She's blaming brothers, pastors, and seminary heads.

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She's saying that there's a problem, that the way that they're teaching, that their teaching led to this, really.

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I'm not going to read this whole thing, but suffice it to say, you start reading this long rambling thread.

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This is happening in your pulpits, your seminary, I mean, it's just everywhere, systemic, apparently, the thinking that led to this.

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It's the way that you criticize Beth Moore, Amy Byrd, Rachel Green Miller. It's Paige Patterson.

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It's John MacArthur. These are the kinds of people, I mean, she's getting right into the political debate, the social justice political debate.

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It's Paige Patterson and John MacArthur. Their thinking led to this. We have been pleading and begging with you to see and hear what you are really communicating because apparently you don't know.

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I'm not going to go more, I'm not going to read more of this, but you can see how this is completely being used for a political agenda that really has little to do with the actual incident.

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And at least at the point we are at now, there's no way to even make any of these arguments, these cases.

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I want to read for you Psalm 37, 12 through 15. Think about this. It says, The wicked plots against the righteous, and gnashes at him with his teeth.

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The Lord laughs at him, for he sees that his day is coming. The wicked have drawn the sword and bent their bow to take down the afflicted and the needy, to kill off those who are upright in conduct.

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Their sword will enter their own heart, and their bows will be broken. Now you might think that I'm talking about this perpetrator and what he did, and maybe there's some of that there.

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Maybe this verse can describe that because I don't know the motive of this guy, not fully at least. But actually the reason

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I'm reading this more than anything else is to describe what you just saw, the reaction to it. The attempt to take down people like John MacArthur and Paige Patterson and Founders Ministries and I guess anyone who's in a conservative

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Bible -believing church, some people who are trying to fight lust, who would read Every Man's Battle, etc, etc.

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The attempt to take them down, that's the wicked plotting against the righteous. That's all this is.

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The wicked are trying to use this to plot against their political enemies. And they're lying basically.

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They have to make up stuff in order to make this theory even sort of work. And people are just buying it up because they've been so infected with critical theory.

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But that's what's going on here. The wicked have drawn the sword and bent their bow to take down the afflicted and needy.

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Now this could be used by social justice warriors, right, because they like to attribute their categories of afflicted and needy to only the groups that they can use to benefit their political agenda.

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But there's actually, you know, the words afflicted and needy could apply to more than just the official sociological categories that are, you know, today deemed to be afflicted and needy.

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It could be conservative Christians. Are they afflicted right now? You bet. They're being afflicted.

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I mean, this is an example of being afflicted. Are they needy? They need someone to defend them. And they have someone.

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And that's what verse 13 says. The Lord laughs at him for he sees that his day is coming. And that's what I encourage you all to, for those who are upset about this kind of thing, justice is coming.

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Not just for this perpetrator, because it makes us mad, but justice is coming for more than just him.

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I saw, I saw yesterday a little, a blurb. There were two teenagers, right, a little younger than this perpetrator who burned to death a mentally challenged man, broke into his home, sprayed gasoline on him, burned him.

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And I was jolted. I was so angry when I read that. I mean, I was angry when I heard about this shooting too.

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I mean, it just makes you mad. But that, to a mentally challenged individual, to go in and kill him, and he died days later from the burns.

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Do you have a, do you have a view of God that can account for this, that can, and suffering is part of life.

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These kinds of things happen. And the comfort though, is that there's, that this isn't all there is.

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There's a day coming when there will be judgment against those particular teenagers. And I guess they couldn't use, maybe those two teenagers weren't part of a founders church.

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They couldn't use it. You know, so you didn't hear about that one, right? And I didn't look into it more.

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Maybe they were the wrong color. Maybe they were the wrong, I don't know. You know how this works now in the mainstream media and with the woke evangelicals.

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If it's someone who's supposed to be in a victim class as the perpetrator, it's not going to be, it's going to, the story's not going to get the traction.

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It does. I mean, this story, it just reinforces and justifies the sin of people who hate

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God. This is what happens when you go to conservative Christianity. So we're free to reject that.

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They're the real monsters, right? God sees all of it and he will judge. So I wanted to leave you with that.

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If you want to support American, the American Monuments documentary, go to the link in the info section and thank you for all your support.

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I'm just happy that Juan Riesco's story is going to make it to OAN this next weekend.

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And we just thank God that Pastor James Coates is out of jail now, as he should be, because he didn't do anything wrong.