April 23, 2019 Show with Jeff Kingswood on “The Person & Work of the Holy Spirit”

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And it just occurred to me that today.

I have my first Canadian guest since we had our new

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announcer in our opening intro are Canadian as many of you

who know a Canadian accent might be able to tell the announcer pronounces iron

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So perhaps my guest picked up on that as well.

My guest today for the very first time ever is Jeff Kingswood Pastor at Grace Presbyterian

Church of Woodstock, Ontario, Canada, which is a congregation within the Associate Reformed

Presbyterian Church of Canada Denomination and we are going to be addressing today the theme the

person and work of the Holy Spirit.

We're also going to be talking about an upcoming Bible conference the banner of truths East Coast ministers

conference on the theme I believe in the Holy Spirit.

Where our guests today Jeff Kingswood will be on the roster of speakers.

But it is my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Jeff

Kingswood.

Thank you, Chris.

Well, let's start off Jeff by having you tell our listeners something about Grace Presbyterian

Church of Woodstock, Ontario Canada.

Not only the Congregation, but also the denomination to which you belong.

All right, we as

do

many

in

the

United

States.

Yes.

Yeah, you might also have to explain your name regarding Woodstock because not only is that a

Town in upstate New York, but also a legendary rock festival.

Well.

If anybody Listening lives in that area of Canada or if you are visiting

there or you have family friends and loved ones In that area or nearby the website for

a Grace Presbyterian Church There in Woodstock, Ontario, Canada is Grace

Presbyterian dot CA.

Grace Presbyterian dot CA I can attest firsthand That our guest today

Jeff Kingswood is a faithful and gifted and powerful preacher.

He has preached at the church where I am a member Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania and

He is all he has also preached at the banner of truth conference where I have been in

Attendance and heard him firsthand preach.

So I really highly recommend That you take every opportunity not only to hear

my guests preach and speak when he is Traveling but also if you happen to be

Visiting Canada and perhaps you might even want to make plans to visit Canada the very first purpose of hearing

a pastor Jeff Kingswood preach.

Well.

Let's move on to something.

Well, actually before I have you give your personal testimony, which is a iron sharpens iron radio

Tradition where when we have a first -time guest, we typically have them give their a summary of their

their salvation story what kind of Religion or religious atmosphere if any they were raised

in and what kind of providential circumstances Our Sovereign Lord raised up in their lives to draw them

to himself and save them.

Before we do that.

I want you to tell our listeners of about banner of truth because this is a very important ministry

a publishing ministry and a conference ministry and Everybody should know

about the banner of truth whether you are reformed or not and it's amazing to me actually.

How many people I have met that are not even Calvinists that are outside of the reformed faith who have grown to

love?

Banner of truth even charismatic and Pentecostal brethren and Arminian brethren.

It's a truly extraordinary to to learn of this.

But if you could tell our listeners about banner of truth.

I also recently

found out that

Pat

Daly.

Who is an elder here locally in Carlisle at the Carlisle reformed Presbyterian Church?

Not only is he the Manager of sales and marketing

and operations over at the banner of truth United States headquarters.

But he's your son -in -law.

And I think when I was just about to say when I just started to say that Information about Pat. I

think I interrupted you.

You sound like you were just about to say something.

I don't remember.

That's all right.

Well, if anybody would like to attend this Upcoming conference that I

mentioned before that is run by the banner of truth.

It's the East Coast ministers conference being held at the Elizabethtown College as our guests

just Mentioned Jeff Kingswood, Elizabethtown College in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania.

It's going to be held from May 28th through the 30th.

That's Tuesday, May 28th through Thursday, May 30th in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania.

And not only will Jeff Kingswood be preaching there, but Terry Johnston Johnson.

I'm sorry David Vaughn who's a Reformed Baptist missionary in France.

Steve Nichols who is the president of Reformation Bible College?

The college founded by the late R. C. Sproul and Ligonier ministries Michael Morales and Chad Vegas.

We just had a wonderful interview on our trip and Zion radio very recently with Chad Vegas and look forward to him

returning Often to the program.

I hope to interview all of the speakers before the event itself occurs

now I'm assuming that since this is called the East Coast ministers conference

that.

That at least primarily ministers are

invited.

Is it exclusively

ministers

who may attend?

Yes.

That's exactly how I run my iron trip and Zion radio pastors luncheons.

Which my next luncheon is going to be held the week before the East Coast ministers conference.

And I'll be telling our listeners more about that luncheon.

A fellow Canadian his name I just mentioned earlier is going to be my keynote speaker at the iron sharpens iron

pastors luncheon.

That's my dear friend.

Dr Tony Costa professor of apologetics and Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary.

And I hope as many men in leadership whether they are pastors or elders and I consider those the same office by

the way deacons parachurch leaders Seminarians, etc. Just basically the same

List of people that pastor Kingswood said are invited to the East Coast ministers conference.

I have the same policy for my pastors luncheons.

I'll be giving you more details about that During the before the last half hour of

the program or before the last hour of the program I should say well now it's time to

have our tradition of Having you give a summary of your salvation testimony what

kind of religious atmosphere you were raised in and What kind of providential

circumstances our Lord raised up in your life to draw you to himself and save you.

You

know,

I've

had

guests.

Frequently say that on my show who were raised in a Christian home and you know something I

don't find it dull at all because When I think about the hellish

life that I lived before coming to Christ I am I Am

just filled with all really when I think of the fact that God on many occasions

preserves children and protects them from

ever having to experience overtly wicked behavior.

And of course we have to always remember that every sin no matter how miniscule We think it

is without the covering of Christ's blood that sin will send you to hell even if you think it's trivial, but

I Am I am always praising God when I hear the stories of

Adults who were preserved from ever having to go down those dark paths and

were likely saved at very very early ages and who knows perhaps

even in miraculous ways as infants, but but.

Of course, I'm assuming you would agree with me.

I know that Presbyterians Agree with Baptists that we do not believe in

baptismal regeneration But at the same time God saves whom he chooses and sometimes those are

very tiny children that he calls to absolutely.

Right.

Yeah,

absolutely.

That's

even more

of an amazing story in the 21st century.

Yes, well

our theme

today

as you

know, which is related to the theme of the banner of truth.

East Coast ministers conference theme.

I believe in the Holy Spirit.

Our theme today is the person and work of the Holy Spirit and If you could begin our discussion on that

With giving us some key facts about this person of the triune Godhead That must be

included in an adequate and biblical description of the Holy Spirit.

And while you are thinking about that right now Let me remind our listeners of our email address if you'd like to join us on the air

with a question of your own for Pastor Jeff Kingswood.

It is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name at least your city and state of residence in your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter perhaps You

disagree with your pastor or your congregation where you are a member over?

What we are saying about the Holy Spirit today.

And Not only would I encourage you to remain anonymous if that is the case I would insist

that you remain anonymous because we don't want to publicly discredit churches that we know nothing about

so.

That might be a reason that you might want to remain anonymous perhaps you you are perhaps you're a pastor and you disagree with your own

Denomination perhaps you've you've grown in your understanding of the scriptures, and you have

learned something new that you believe is truly Biblical about the Holy Spirit, and you've

renounced or in the process of renouncing a former Flawed view or even heretical view well, I

can understand you wanting to remain anonymous.

But if it's not a personal private matter Please at least give us your first name city and state and country of residence if you live

outside the USA.

So if you could what are some of the very important the primary things that we need to believe about the

Holy Spirit.

In order for it to be viewed as a biblically Orthodox understanding of this

person of the Godhead.

You

know

you

said

something

that

reminds

me

of.

When I have visited churches specifically or especially

Independent Bible churches, they're not a part of any fellowship.

They're not confessional or creedal.

They are you know very Autonomous now I as a Baptist a reformed Baptist.

I believe very strongly in congregational autonomy and the the

polity of the autonomous church where the elders of a local congregation are

only under Christ in their authority.

And the scriptures of course, but the other side of that coin is that there are churches that

basically Disregard history they disregard the great creeds and

confessions of the church.

And sometimes a look in their bulletin and It will say When they are

discussing the Holy Spirit or describing the Holy Spirit that will refer to the Holy Spirit as an it Rather

than a who or as he.

Now should this be a red flag to somebody visiting a church.

Oh, absolutely

right.

Sloppy sloppy vocabulary.

That's we're gonna

go to

our

first break

right

now when

we return.

I would

like

you to.

List some ways.

That the Holy Spirit is different from the Father and the Son.

And if anybody is listening, you could join us on the air with your own questions at Chris Arnzen at gmail

.com.

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And as I said earlier Please give us at least your first name your city and state and your country of residence.

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This is Chris Arnzen.

If you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours with about 90 minutes to go.

It's pastor Jeff Kingswood of Grace Presbyterian Church of Woodstock, Ontario Canada which

is a congregation within the associate reformed Presbyterian Church of Canada denomination

and we are discussing the person and work of the Holy Spirit in Preparation of the upcoming

banner of truth East Coast ministers conference on the theme I believe in the Holy Spirit.

If you have a question our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and please give us your first name city

and state and country of residence if you live outside the USA and only remain anonymous if your Question involves a personal private matter.

As you may remember pastor Kingswood before the break I asked you to Come

up with a list of ways In which the Holy Spirit is different from the Father and the Son.

Right.

We

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a

listener.

Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina faithful listener of iron sharpens iron radio

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Grady says.

Great show Chris.

A lot of times I will end my prayers in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit.

Is there anything wrong with this?

I believe since they are one and a part of the Godhead.

This is a this is appropriate.

Thanks for your comments.

Well that actually reminds me of a question that people have asked me In regard to

the Holy Spirit.

Is it correct to pray directly to? the third person of the

Trinity apart from Bringing up the other members of the Trinity or other members of the Godhead

just to pray directly to the Holy Spirit.

Is there

anything

wrong

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Our guest today for the full two hours with about an hour to go is pastor Jeff Kingswood and

We are discussing the person and work of the Holy Spirit before we return to our discussion.

I just have some important announcements to make in regard to special events that I hope

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First of all mark your calendars for tomorrow we have a returning visit to a

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Once again at the Philadelphia conference on reformed theology.

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Well, actually, I'm sorry before that before that the Protestant

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And this has been such a wonderful interview and looking forward to having our guest back on again not

only in the near future, but many times.

Jeff Kingswood pastor at Grace Presbyterian Church of Woodstock, Ontario, Canada.

We are discussing the person and work of the Holy Spirit and If you'd like to join us on the air, our email

address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Chris Arnson at gmail .com and pastor Jeff.

You and I are reformed you're a Presbyterian.

I'm a reformed Baptist.

Oh.

Can you think of ways which the theologically reformed community has had a superior

approach?

To the subject of the Holy Spirit to those outside of our Calvinistic circles.

More biblically faithful perhaps.

Yeah.

Yeah, I know what you're getting at there.

It's interesting sometimes.

Yes, we Believe that a lost person or even anybody

whether they're lost or saved we as humans are Even more dependent upon

this person of the Godhead.

Then those that put the Holy Spirit in the forefront at least in their vocabulary

very often.

Who are Pentecostal and charismatic who tend to be Arminian not all of those folks

Especially in the 21st century are Arminian but Predominantly they are and yet

when they say that we are devoid of the spirit and spiritually dead and there's no spirit there Etc.

We are more dependent upon the Holy Spirit than they are.

Aren't we?

Yes, I believe brother Ian Murray focused on the lives of two very different people yet.

Asahel Middleton.

Yeah, who is a biblically faithful?

Evangelist and you had Charles Finney who was a very heretical one and he Compared and

contrasted their ministries and the results of the fruits of their ministry side by side.

Yeah.

Amen.

Well, you know you mentioned before and we both mentioned that those outside of the

Reformed faith perhaps even especially Those who are not cessationists charismatics and

Pentecostals have ridiculed and mocked Reformed folk for

appearing any way to at the very least to being devoid of the spirit.

But I don't think that we could honestly say and maintain our integrity that we are never guilty

of appearing that way.

I mean Can you can you mention some ways in which reformed Christians have unfortunately fallen into?

In regard to our approach to the Holy Spirit deficiencies.

That sometimes we unfortunately deserve the ridicule that we

receive.

Yeah.

You

know

that

that

Arnie

and.

Perry County, Pennsylvania.

Who asks is there a difference between being baptized by the

Holy Spirit and being filled with the Holy Spirit.

And Are the Pentecostals right that Christians?

Can not have either one of those or do all truly born -again.

Truly regenerate brothers and sisters in Christ have both of these.

John in Bangor, Maine.

Who says you mentioned dr. Martin Lloyd -Jones earlier?

Dr. Martin Lloyd -Jones has been adopted by our charismatic and Pentecostal brethren as being one

of their own.

Is this true and.

If not, did anything Joe?

Jones believe about a second blessing lead to this misconception.

Yeah.

Do

you

think

the

fact

that

from what

I

understand.

Dr. Jones was a Calvinist Methodist.

Could his Methodism have anything to do with this understanding that he had of the second blessing?

Yeah,

well,

we have to

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Pastor Jeff Kingswood.

Do you think an import an unfortunate tendency? exists among some reformed believers

in which due to a paranoia over appearing to be Pentecostal or charismatic they De

-emphasize the person and work of the Holy Spirit.

I.

Think

that's

true.

I think I

think

that

sometimes.

Reformed Christians do the same thing with biblical truths that

Perhaps look in their minds too much like Arminian things as if they were written

outside of the context of the God -breathed pages of Scripture and Sometimes just like

many Arminians do Where they will avoid Texts that are clearly

teaching things like unconditional election or particular redemption or things like that.

Sometimes I think that we Who are reformed or at least some of those

among us may? Avoid either texts that that

that focus on the responsibility of man or what I mean, I can even remember

a A Funny story When

a brother a dear brother who is a friend today and who has grown and matured a lot

Theologically, but I can remember when he first became reformed.

He came out of Pentecostal Arminianism and When he became reformed he was as many of us are at

some point in the cage stage of Calvinism.

Yeah, and I could remember him after a Service a worship service at the church where I was

a member before moving to Pennsylvania.

I remember him being very angry after my pastor our

pastor said choose whom you will serve and I said to him do you realize that's

from the Bible?

What's from Joshua?

So we have we all have that tendency.

We

have a

question from.

Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania who asks.

Taught.

At times it sounds like my brothers and sisters in Christ are saying

even if unconsciously that the members of the Godhead are sometimes in some kind

of a Disagreement with each other when it comes to the salvation of the lost or other matters.

Are not all three members of the Godhead.

Always in harmony with purpose.

Yeah.

Yeah, I.

I don't know

if

this

is

specifically

what

Susan was

referring

to but I.

When I having when I'm having conversations with some of my non reformed Christian brothers and sisters

they will act as if the Holy Spirit is trying his best

to convince and convict lost sinners to believe in

him and Their will triumphs over the efforts of the Holy Spirit and

Therefore the other persons of the Godhead the the father and the son perhaps even more

specifically the father who is sometimes viewed as The bad cop and the son is the good cop

when people compare and contrast the old and new covenants, but As if the the father and the son

are in some kind of disagreement with the Holy Spirit he is really trying to work on these people and they are they're.

They're they're digging their heels in the sand and therefore the father saying nope

Holy Spirit as much as you want them saved.

We don't want them.

You know that kind of a thing I mean may have clumsily worded that but.

Yeah, well, I

would like you.

Now before we run out of time to have several minutes on an uninterrupted so that you can.

Summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today about the Holy Spirit before we go off the air.

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Pastor Jeff Kingswood.

I can't wait to have you back on the program perhaps to discuss your book what that involves the catechism for

children.

And many more times in the future.

I look forward to seeing you also at the banner of truth East Coast ministers conference.

I want to thank everybody who wrote in today and Everybody who listened and I want you all to always remember for the

rest of your lives That Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.