Creation with Paul Taylor

All right, we are live apologetics live. Glad to have you here with us and we have I hope a lot of fun in This show tonight. We're gonna have a special show with a good friend of mine that we're gonna bring in and his name is Paul Taylor and Folks.

If you don't know Paul, well, okay I might as well get this out of the way first before he rips on me. You may need translation. He he might sound a little funny.

Won't you. I'm sorry. What did you say?

He is from England where they speak some language called English.

Yeah, this is this is of course how it should be spoken and When you get to heaven that this is the way that you will all be speaking. We'll speak Hebrew there.

Actually, that was a question I was asked to me this week. When was what language do angels speak and and I was like, well Hebrew everyone knows that. But I Don't know Hebrew, so I'm gonna really struggle.

Well, that's the question. The thing I think is I think that we'll all Regardless of what language we spoke on earth. I Have no scripture at all to support. I think we'll all understand one another. We'll all speak a language.

We all know can't support that in the Bible just.

It's very likely. I mean you can sort of half support it. Is it can't you. Because obviously one major problem that arose with the human race was the Tower of Babel and Therefore we can assume that the consequences of the Tower of Babel will not Exist in the in the world to come.

So yeah, it doesn't absolutely prove it, but it's sort of Partway towards it's consistent with that. I would think to for us all to be speaking the same language.

Mount St. Helens and What It Teaches About Creation

Yeah, so I didn't even introduce the show. So I am Andrew Rapport your host of from striving for eternity this is apologetics live. Today's topics. No, we will not be stuck just to these topics. We're gonna talk about Mount St. Helens.

We'll see why that in a moment. We're gonna talk about Creation versus evolution. So if you have questions or challenges with that you are gonna have an expert here to be able to get those answered and then we may even if you haven't figured out why this may be a case we may even talk about Brexit's and Britain exiting from the you the European Union there, so We'll see but if folks if you want to join if you have questions Have some things you want to ask either Paul or I today.

It doesn't have to be about creation or evolution, but those would be the best ones for today for Paul to answer. But if you have any questions, you can go to apologetics live calm there is a link to both watch you can watch it right there or you can join us and ask your question and There are some I guess restrictions on browsers.

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All righty, well that is the introduction. Let's start Paul with talking about Mount st. Helens. Something happened there almost 40 years ago.

It was on May the 18th 1980 there was a large eruption and It was a lateral blast which means that instead of the eruption going upwards It came out of the side of the volcano along the ground. So as far as the local area is concerned, it was a devastating eruption.

Now in the grand scheme of things compared to a lot of other eruptions that have been around the world it wasn't actually that big but of course it happened in an area, which is a Even in 1980 was a technologically advanced area with easy access to transport and to The media of the time so it was an eruption that was broadcast very quickly and easily around the world.

The blast was powerful enough to rip trees up from just above the roots and with a hot blast that had the the force of probably about a thousand Hiroshima type bombs the and extremely hot. So there were that blast knocked down trees up to About 14 miles away from the volcano sort of fanning out northwards northwest to northeast 230 square miles of forest destroyed there was a landslide That filled up the valley to the north of the volcano to a depth of 600 feet.

There were a number of mud flows that flowed down the various river valleys Including a huge mud flow down the North Tuttle River Which it was destroying properties up to 50 miles away from the eruption and The the mud flows and mud eventually made its way into the Columbia River causing problems for shipping.

So it was a devastating eruption in the area causing an enormous amount of damage to the economy. Some neighborhoods destroyed railways and railway bridges and road bridges destroyed the road bridges.

Some most of the road bridges on certainly the major roads were eventually rebuilt, but that costs money railways were not really replaced. The large amounts of managed forest had to be replanted. So this was a devastating event.

Economically, but I think as you probably want to go on and ask it is very interesting. Indeed to those of us who believe God's Word to be true because so many of the things that happened are not consistent with a uniformitarian evolutionary view of how the world came about but are consistent with a biblical approach to looking at the world and.

That's why we have a visitor center. Really they're a creation center. I should say Up at Mount St. Helens because there's a lot that Mount St. Helens teaches us about creation and the arguments with evolution.

Before we get there. Let's let's talk about your role and I do have the website there for folks is MSH creation center org and. And so that's where you can go to get more information About the what's going on up there.

And so before we get into some creation Evolution discussion. Let's talk about the center itself its purpose what it does for folks.

Okay. Well, it is a visitor center it's a creationist visitor center in the area so people can come in and they can find out first of all about the volcanic eruption How that changed the landscape in many ways that as I said are consistent with a biblical account of the world and its formation.

We we see a number of effects that are very similar to What must have happened at the time of the worldwide flood? So we also have information about the worldwide flood and how that affected the the global geology of the world.

And We have information Generally about the about the Bible and how it teaches us the truth from the very first verse. So we have this visitor center where you can come and look at exhibits. We have a sort of theater area where I can give presentations about the volcano and about other Creation topics and We can show Films as well.

We have a number of films that we have permission to show here that we can that we can show and during the fall we will be having a regular film show just keep an eye on our website so we can work out what day of the week that will be.

And We take people on trips to various interesting locations in the Pacific Northwest Especially around the volcano so that they can actually see for themselves What's what happened in the area and what the biblical interpretation of those is.

We are situated on the interstate i5 Just off exit 49 in Washington State in the tiny city of Castle Rock. So we're in the middle of downtown Castle Rock. It's as I said, it's a very tiny city a population of 2 ,000.

It's a great place for Tourists to be able to come and break their journey partway between Portland and Seattle and It's really the entrance to the way that you would tend to Approach the volcano from exit 49.

There is the road up to the Johnston Ridge Observatory The closest viewpoint to the volcano so we take people on excursions there. We take a caravan of cars from our Center and Stop at different places where I can explain to people what happened in those places and Explain them from a biblical point of view.

We do sometimes take people around the south side of the volcano so they can see the effects of an earlier Eruption that must have happened about 2 ,000 years ago and we take people around the east side of the volcano, which is very remote with roads in poor condition.

What's interesting around the east being a lot wilder is that things have not been cleared up really since the 1980 eruption there and it's very interesting to look at things there and we take people to see other things of interest from a biblical creation standpoint in the area such as The Columbia Gorge and the Dry Falls, for example.

Paul Taylor’s Background in Creation Ministry

Yeah, now when we think about Mount St. Helens There in this ministry, I should actually say that you didn't start the ministry. It was well established before you got there and started running it your position there.

I don't think you mentioned it.

I'm the director of the ministry. So it is a very small ministry. It's met. It's principally me. I do have a couple of volunteers who help with different things on on occasions. But it is principally me.

So I'm I'm the only one who is Being compensated for for for the work done here. I'm here full-time. So, yeah, I'm the director of the ministry. The ministry was founded in 1998 by a gentleman called Lloyd Anderson who was a retired pastor in 1998 and In 2014 the board of the ministry invited me to take over the ministry.

Which I was very pleased to do. So this is very much a base for my ministry generally. You know, I use this base to communicate with people to and from here to travel to other parts of the country and other countries as well to To explain to Organizations and churches why they can trust the Bible from the very first verse.

When we should mention, you know, you used to work you actually I think you used to be the director of answers in Genesis UK, right?

I was for a little while their senior speaker and in the United Kingdom I. I worked as a speaker and itinerant speaker for answers in Genesis in the UK from 2005 to 2011 and for the last two years of that I was.

Their senior speaker in the UK and then you came to the United States working with Eric Coven.

That's correct in creation today in Pensacola.

Background in creation ministry.

Well, I've been Really involved in creation ministry since my late teens. So that is Over 300 years. I'm sorry. It's.

You you you were around for Abraham Lincoln, right? So there's now there's one thing that I got the privilege of learning about you that others may not know. You and I were we're both speaking in California staying in someone's home and they had a piano and I got a rare treat because you are a concert pianist.

No, I'm not a concert pianist. I mean you have to keep up with Practice very very regularly to maintain that level and I'm nowhere near that level now. I did pretty nearly approach that level. I was trained as a concert pianist.

Yes, so I was close to that level at the During high school. I was During my high school years. I was trained that way, but I I enjoy playing the piano. Huh? I That's something that I do for my own relaxation.

My own little you're just sitting there and all of a sudden I got it my own little concert so. Remind folks if they want to come in ask questions, or if you have a challenge for either of us. Maybe on creation or evolution you can go to a politics live.

Calm there is a link to join there to participate and you could join us and ask any questions or even challenge us. We don't bite too hard through the internet. So so let's talk about. While we wait for folks to come in ask questions, let's talk about why Mount St. Helens Creation centers is so interesting as far for creationists now for the record.

You're a Six day you believe that God created everything in six days about 6 ,000 years ago, correct? Yes, that is correct. Yeah, just so focus. There are some folks in chat asking does is he a young earther?

Yes, but I actually I agree with you. I you have a podcast with the Mount St. Helens Creation Center. I agree with you. I.

Don't think the earth is young. Well, this is said I was I was interviewed on another podcast a couple of years ago and the first question that the Interviewer asked was why do you call yourself a young earth creationist?

And I said I don't. And so I could hear him beginning to panic on the other end of the phone. He thought has he got the right person, you know. And so I followed it up just to tease him a bit more and said, you know I believe that the earth is very very old and you know I can hear a sort of gasping, you know.

And he's I could he was about to come in and I said the earth is just over 6 ,000 years old and that's very old. I don't know of anything that is that old. Because that is that is when the Bible says that God made the universe and I said now the reason why some people call themselves young earth creationist is because They're saying that the earth is young compared to the millions and billions of years that evolutionary theory and deep time ideas require but what I don't see why I should define myself in terms of what Evolutionists and deep time people would would would accept I'm going to define myself in terms of what the Bible says.

The Bible makes very clear that the earth is just over 6 ,000 years old now, you know, some people try and make a great significance on the the number 6 ,000 there isn't a significance really on that number other than the fact that that is.

You know, the earth is just over that age. There is a margin of error in our calculations, but we get the figures from Scripture so where I would describe myself therefore as a biblical creationist rather than a young earth creationist.

Yeah, and that's I think for folks who may be not understand that how do we get this from the Bible? The way we do this is we look at the scriptures and we have Yeah, Adam was a certain age before he had children he was so old before he died you can look at when he gave had his children and when he had Seth and you can go through each one of these things and you end up being able to draw a chronology now.

When I was a young believer I was still trying to see if because what I believed was Before becoming a Christian was very much not Christian. It was Jewish. And so being the engineer type I wanted to see if I could prove the Bible wrong because if I could Then I can stop believing this and I I approached it.

No, I did this as a Christian, but still being a tad bit skeptical and my thinking was the easiest way For someone to mess up and I've done this when I study Mormonism or any of the other religions. The easiest way when they write some documents that they say are written by God is with numbers when people forget numbers and birth dates are an easy one to forget if you're going all this time and You're gonna say so-and-so be got so-and-so be got so-and-so be got so-and-so You can actually measure that out.

And that's what I actually did as I went through the Bible. I Recorded the dates because the one thing I could say is if I could prove that somebody lived be on the flood that wasn't one of the People mentioned being on the flood or in the in the ark.

That would go beyond that Margin of error then I could show mathematically the Bible was wrong. I got very close with Methuselah who would have died probably The same year as the flood by my calculations now, why is there a margin of error?

The reason we say there's a margin of error is Because you have Adam was I think a hundred and thirty before he gives birth to Seth. He was gonna correct me on this if I hit.

But I've got the Bible in front of me, but I mean what you're saying is For example in Genesis 11 verse 10. It says when Shem was a hundred years old. He fathered Arphaxad and By the way, I know a lot of young Christian couples like to give their children biblical names.

So, you know if you haven't thought of a name for your son, this is where this could be an option. You know, I don't we could do with more Arphaxads in the church.

Yeah, but.

Was when when Arphaxad was born? This is a pretty obvious point. This was his father Shem 100 was it is 100th birthday or Was he just one day short of his 101st? Birthday, so you see that for every entry that we're looking at in those chronology not genealogies where there are numbers There is a possibility of a year's margin of error.

Now we can move on a little bit further and show some other margins of error where people will make a slightly different Calculation. For example, I have calculated the age of the earth to be 6022 now as I said, you've got it.

You've got a margin of error there. You can add on some numbers due to each of those entries. Here's another place. You could add on some numbers you see I've taken it that the looking at Galatians 3 that the sojourn of Abraham Is dated from probably shortly after he leaves Haran.

And that is the 430 years. Some other people would date the 430 years of starting when Ishmael is making fun of Isaac but still other people would say quite understandably that the 430 years cannot start until the Israelites are in Egypt.

Now if you take my view then the Israelites were only in captivity in Egypt for 215 years. But again, it is perfectly justifiable for some people to say no that that won't do that has to be 430 years actually there by coincidence 215 is half of 430, but here's the point.

There's a margin of error then of 215 years. So you could add another 215 to my age of the earth. So you're getting to about? You can you can stretch the age of the earth probably to about 6 ,500 years.

That's about it if you're using the Masoretic text now, of course if you're going to take the numbers the figures from the Septuagint instead where the numbers are slightly longer I'm Pretty clear in my mind.

I've read around a bit and I've read what a couple of different people said I'm pretty clear in my mind that they Septuagint numbers are incorrect. But if you took them as correct that might add about another 800 years.

So you'd be getting up to an age of 7 ,500 years and that's about as far as you can stretch it. Even giving every possible margin of error. So the point that I'm making with all this is that whatever System you look at with the Bible taking the biblical figures.

You are never going to be able to stretch the age of the earth even to 10 ,000 years. Let alone millions of years. It just simply does not make sense.

Yes, and there we did have someone come in to ask questions over actually three people that came in on one camera and they disappeared. Oh. We don't know what the question was so we can't ask that but folks come back in.

We always wanted to let Paul finish this thinking out before we went to the question. So anyone who does want to join ask questions you can go to Apologetics live .com the link to participate is there.

I should mention something Paul that you and I have not probably talked about this by way of a commercial here is We're going to Israel striving for eternity is taking a team to Israel. We're not taking the team to Mount St. Helens yet, but maybe we will.

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I forgot to mention at the beginning Paul. I'm gonna have next week. We're gonna have dr. Jason Lyle on Excellent, you know. Yeah, so he's gonna come in and for folks who don't know him He's a little bit of a smart dude, don't you think?

Well, and one at one very good thing about the fact that he's going to be on next week is if you've got any listeners any viewers coming in shortly who've got very difficult questions to ask about Astronomy and about starlight issues how light got across the universe and so on.

I would have tried to tackle those with Jason's ideas because I've tried to read through them, but maybe it would be a lot easier I can tell people simply hold on to your question for next week that all difficult astronomy questions can be given to Dr. Lyle next week instead of fielded to me.

Yeah, if any of you are interested by the way in coming to visit Mount St. Helens We are here all year that people can come and And take an excursion, but we will be doing a special an extra special anniversary Vacation which will be from August the 18th through the 22nd next next year.

We will be shortly getting a website Up and running for that and that would be a big event where you'll have a number of speakers Who will be able to be giving you information generally about biblical creation issues and also we'll be taking you out into The field to have a look at things to have a look at different places around the volcano and even One of our speakers will be taking people down into the little or at least to the rim of the Little Grand Canyon close to the Volcano, so we'll have dr. Steve Austin here and dr. Keith Swenson and also Eric Hovind and Jay Siegert and Myself and they'll probably some other people as well.

So look out for that, please. So that's something that Is is being organized? For next August being organized by a living waters Bible camp of Wisconsin. And they're organizing that on our behalf next for next August.

Yes.

So, you know, here's a question you can see on the screen that Melanie had asked is said hi so glad I found this. Is there any guided group hikes plan to climb Mount St. Helens in the future?

Okay. Well, I don't climb Mount St. Helens because as you can see, I'm an overweight middle-aged man. So the excursions I take people on our car excursions. We do some short hikes, too and There are a large number of those things and you can find them on our website.

I can point you in the direction of some organizations that do Trips up the south side of the volcano to the to the rim. That's really beyond me but what what we're doing is showing people the area in ways that Everyone can access and telling you about the history and putting everything into a biblical context for you.

So those those are frequently there on our website. We're coming to the end of the season though. We still do have a few more. For example, we do have an excursion around the south side of the volcano Timed for September the 27th Friday to September the 27th, that's an open excursion and still has plenty of spaces available on that so if you want to go join us on that one and walk into the lava canyon and Have a look at the entrance to the ape cave and things of that sort then Come and join us on Friday September 27th and keep an eye on what else is on our website.

For events in the area. Yeah, so and and the website again for folks that might be listening on the podcast I'll have links in the show notes is MSH Mount St. Helens kind of that's what that stands for Mount St. Helens MSH creation center org and so go check that out.

You know, she had another question on and we got some people coming in and we'll go to them but she did ask a question. She had also said and can you answer a question about how carbon dating could be wrong.

Okay.

And in a sense I'd want to know exactly what she understands by carbon dating there because Serious evolutionists would not make the mistake that the popular press and TV programs and Even some high school science teachers make because quite often carbon dating is misunderstood.

So for example when I get an email from someone telling me well, they've carbon dated dinosaur fossils to be 65 million years old I'll contact them back and say no they haven't. And it's just as simple as that they haven't carbon dated Dinosaur fossils to be 65 million years old because carbon dating even if the earth was this old Carbon dating doesn't actually give you an age of greater than a hundred thousand years at the maximum.

So really some of the problems with people talking about carbon dating are a misunderstanding of what it is. Carbon dating actually is a pretty good technique for what it's meant for if it's used pop properly.

It's based on the idea that there is a radioactive isotope of carbon Carbon normally the most common isotope of carbon is carbon -12 but you can produce a radioactive isotope carbon -14 by bombardment of nitrogen atoms in the atmosphere by Neutrons from the Sun so any living object is going to be bringing in all sorts of carbon including carbon -14 and also Removing those by you know, different processes of their plants by transpiration by respirator photosynthesis for animals by respiration different techniques is Eating of course an excretion.

There's a carbon -14 coming in carbon -14 going out. The assumption then is that while an object is alive It the amounts of carbon -14 the percentage of carbon -14 in that body is constant when it dies.

Dead animals don't eat anything. So the amounts of carbon -14 will go down because each carbon -14 atom. There is a possibility of it decaying by radioactive decay turning back into nitrogen -14 so you can measure how much carbon -14 there is in a dead object and you can use that to Calculate then how old that object is.

Now you have to make assumptions in to do that calculation. You have to assume that not only do all living things today Have a constant amount of carbon -14. You've got to assume that they did in the past too.

Now that assumption cannot be proved. You also got to assume that there's no other mechanism that's removed carbon -14. And you've also got to assume that the half-life of carbon -14 hasn't changed. With some other of the so-called longer term Radiometric dating methods like uranium lead and so on that work on igneous rocks.

We can show that those assumptions simply do not work. So this is the point when you're measuring Something they what the scientists are doing is measuring the amount of carbon -14 or in the case of uranium lead they're measuring the amount of uranium and they're measuring the amount of lead.

The Calculation of age is then based on a number of assumptions and those assumptions are not provable and can in fact prove wrong. One final thing I'll quickly say about carbon -14. It's not difficult to find on the internet examples of diamonds that may have been dated by a radiometric method such as Potassium argon to be about a billion years old and find of course, it's a billion years old.

It should not have any carbon -14 in. No carbon -14 should be left. It should all have decayed and yet the diamonds do have carbon -14 in giving them a carbon -14 age of something like about 65 ,000 years now, I don't believe the diamonds are 65 ,000 years old and I don't believe they're a billion years old.

I don't believe either value is correct. But I'm sure that even people who don't take a biblical view can see that both numbers cannot be correct. There is a problem there. Something is wrong.

Yes, I agree. Now. Let me let's before we go to Ralph here who has a question. I want it. KT has a quick one for you. Which part of England is Paul originally from? I'm.

From. Well, I usually tell people when people ask me I usually tell them the time. From Manchester. Okay, Manchester is England's second city. So it's in the north of England. So I'm from Manchester. Now if you wanted to be absolutely exact I'm actually from a small town called Staley Bridge about eight miles east of Manchester.

But Manchester's the nearest big place that you've heard of to where I was brought up.

You know one of the funny things when I was over in England. Doing some evangelism for the Olympics back some years ago. We got to tour Oxford. One of the you know, we were just okay. So we're going through London and looking at dates on buildings and being like Wow, I mean like there's buildings that are way older than then the United States of America and we're just always amazed with these dates of buildings in like, you know, and and and monuments and things from the 1500s and stuff like that it was.

It was really kind of funny. The professor from Oxford sat down. We're talking about this and he says well. You know you folks in a in America think a hundred years is a long time. That's right, and we here in England think a hundred miles is a far distance.

Absolutely, right. You know, how long does it take to drive from Manchester to London. Probably about three if between three and four hours, you know. And these days I'm quite happy to view something three and four hours drive away as being local.

Whereas, you know when you when you're in England, that's an entirely different region. We even speak with a different accent.

You know, yeah, it was funny my son, you know growing up in New Jersey, New Jersey I mean from where we are out an hour and a half in any direction. We're out of the state. You know, it's not that big of a state.

My son moves to Texas I mean in the middle of Texas and he was like, oh we're gonna go to a friend's for the weekend for a long weekend. In New Mexico, like what text me when you leave text me when you get there, you know, I'm concerned father.

He texts me when he leaves. He texts me about 10 hours later. The text was 10 hours and we're still in, Texas. Yeah, yeah, well he it was a rude awakening he got out there and like it wasn't more than a week or so.

He's like dad. Do you know everyone out here? They drive with like rifles in the back of their car. I was like, yeah, welcome to America.

The One thing that people will know ought to know about Manchester of course. If you're interested in following soccer or football as everyone else in the world calls it mainly because it's played with a ball and the feet Manchester has Really two very well-known two really good Soccer teams.

One's called Manchester City and the other is the Manchester City Reserve team. All Right. Well, let's let me get that's a joke that for people who are interested in English soccer They'll get it and I'll get I'll get emails about that.

Let me bring Ralph in. So Ralph welcome. What what questions or challenges do you have for us tonight? Hey, thanks Andrew. Thanks Paul.

My eight-year-old had a question, but he's gone to bed now. Is there a chance of Mount? I know I have to cheer.

He wants to stay up late anyway, yeah.

He was wondering is there any chance of Mount St. Helens Erupting again, or there's been talk in the past five years of the super volcano and Yellowstone area.

What is the latest on that? Well, you know that all the all the volcanoes in the Cascade Range are active volcanoes. So any of them could erupt, of course. Mount St. Helens did erupt again. It erupted a few times between 2004 and 2008 so it it has erupted again.

That's it's pretty common for Mount St. Helens to erupt. What was uncommon was for it to erupt violently because most eruptions of the volcano are not terribly big and the eruptions between 2004 and 2008 were not very spectacular and did not cause any Difficulties in the area really and of course Mount St. Helens can't really build up the pressure to do a devastating eruption because Half the mountains gone.

So I think the chances of having a Huge eruption at Mount St. Helens are remote. But the other volcanoes in the Cascade Range could go of course the the volcano One volcano that is counted as the probably the most dangerous volcano in the contiguous 48 states Would be Mount Rainier just you know a couple of hours north of here.

Because that's the largest volcano in the Cascade Range hasn't had a major eruption probably for about a thousand years and if it did erupt would cause a lot of damage to The big cities of Washington such as Seattle and Tacoma and places like that.

You have any other questions Ralph.

One that's one. If I could. Paul. I've always wondered about this when it came to creation week and after I guess if Had everything gone the way it had planned to go How how would it have worked with Adam and Eve in the different seasons?

Would we have always had a tropical layer or. Or. How would the seasons how would that all work out the rotation and yeah.

Oh God says in Genesis 1 Let's just look at what Scripture says because it's very important on these things to stick to what Scripture says. So on day four of creation This is when God made the astronomical objects, and I don't think Jason's gonna say anything different from what I'm going to say now.

It says here in Genesis chapter 1 verse 14 God said let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. Let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years so that God actually intended there to be Seasons in the perfect world that was set up in in the creation week now seasons are caused by the Eccentricity of the earth's orbit and also by the angle of The angle of declension the fact that the the polar axis of the earth The axis of rotation of the earth is set to an angle to the perpendicular of the part of the orbital plane to an angle of about 23 degrees so what I'm saying here is that that angle must have been like that during creation week.