April 29, 2019 Show with Noel & Denise Enete on “How to Read the Bible So God Speaks to You”

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contacted me and strongly urged me to interview her brother and

sister -in -law Noel and Denise Enid and they are going to

be addressing their book how to read the Bible.

So God speaks to you and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you both to orange up and Zion radio

for the very first time Noel and Denise Enid.

And by the way, I forgot to ask you is it Noel like the Christmas song or Noel

like Noel coward.

Okay, sorry about the mispronunciation in the beginning.

Well before we get into the topic of your book How to read the Bible so God

speaks to you.

I.

Want as we normally do when we have first -time guests on iron trip and Zion radio I want each of you

to give a summary of your salvation testimony.

What kind of religious atmosphere?

You you were raised in and what kind of Providential circumstances our

Sovereign Lord raised up in your life that he used to draw you to himself and save you.

And I'll leave it up to you to who is going to go first.

Should it be Denise or Noel?

Okay, I.

Was raised in a lukewarm kind of

family

rich and go to church from

time to time, but There was no real power there.

I made a profession of faith in second grade very young.

Then when I was off in college at Cal Poly, I had

a campus minister from meet with me several times and he really shared

the idea of

what God's grace was all about and it's at that time that I

Rededicated my life got involved in that church off campus and.

One day when I was singing in the church Denise and her two

roommates came in the back of the church and Sat over on the left side of the church and and you

know the whole service there was this glow coming from.

I.

Couldn't keep my eyes off of that that illuminated part of the building and

At the end of the service the pastor said if anyone has

Recently made a decision for Christ and would like to make it public

Come on down to the front and you know, this girl came down to the front one of those

three and it was Denise and You know, I was looking at her there and

I don't know what but said to do follow.

He did but I was raised in a Home where it was we

went to a really liberal church, so it never really Got to me.

I never really heard the gospel.

So but I was so glad I went to Cal Poly and San Luis Obispo.

I was really glad not to go to church for a while and for the first two years.

I didn't go.

But the good thing about being raised in a home where you do go to church you start to sort of

miss that.

So that's sort of a good thing.

So when I was coming back for my third year At Cal Poly. I

didn't notice campus crusades for Christ and I was curious and I thought okay,

let me go see what this is about and after a series of interviews with them,

I Accepted Christ as my Savior and they were the ones that told me I need to get involved in the

church, too.

So I started.

That was the first Sunday I went after my Acceptance of the Lord

as my Savior and so I went to this church and he said to come forward if you want to make it public and

that's how.

No, he was good at follow -up.

So you basically stalked her after you saw her go for an altar call.

So.

Yeah, go ahead.

I was just gonna say how long after your first meeting.

Did you two start?

To court one another and.

Eventually, how soon did you get married?

Well, it was it was quite a long

evangelistic meeting in this church.

So he took me every night to the Evangelistic meeting so

that was sort of You know jump through the cannon really fast

but we didn't kiss or anything for that whole week and.

Then we just started dating, right?

Yeah, then it was three months until we got engaged.

Yeah, and a total of seven months till we got married.

Pretty fast praise God.

And may I ask where the both of you attend church now?

We.

Attend a church in Irvine, California called Terra Nova.

It's the combining of two and they came up with

the name come

close together and make a third.

Brighter start.

So that's the and it may have something to do with the glow that was coming off of

your Someday -to -be wife that you met.

That glow has followed for years.

Well I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

No felt called to teach the Bible.

So we ended up.

Getting married after our third year and then transferring to a Bible College.

We didn't finish up at Cal Poly.

We we went to a Bible College in Pennsylvania by the way.

Where is that?

Baptist Bible College in Clark Summit.

Okay.

Yes.

I've heard of it.

Yeah, it's called Clark Summit University now, but then we went to Dallas Theological Seminary.

I got a THM there for her master's there and then delivered

twins and.

After the kids got old enough she did.

Oh Wow and.

Are you still doing that today Denise?

Or is that something that when we moved from Seal Beach?

I had a private practice there for years.

But then we moved and so I closed my practice because it was too far away so

ever since then we've combined our ministries and We our

focus is how to help people have a Good quiet time with

God.

I'll be able to feed themselves from the Bible and Desire God

not.

It's quite time our Bible study tends to be a problem for a lot of people.

It's hard to make it work either motivation wise or skill wise and so

we have Combined our ministry.

I love to do the motivation piece.

And Noel typically does the skill piece.

What do you do? when you study the Bible, but We've noticed

more Bible study times bite the dust because of motivation.

Because most anyone can pick up daily bread or do something, you know if

they want to.

But if they're having trouble with their motivation It tends to go

awry.

And so that's The part I work on I I help them find their

first love I.

I when I.

Ironically enough when I went to Baptist Bible College I took methodical Bible study

as one of the classes to graduate and by the end of that class I hated

Bible study.

Wow.

It did not work for me.

It was dry and you know, it just graphs and charts and I

Floundered I have been doing when I was a new Christian.

You know daily bread and I was growing.

But once I learned how to do all of this more complicated Bible study I

felt like I couldn't go back to daily bread.

And so I just floundered and I didn't do anything and until we delivered

our first daughter and Then I thought I don't want to be the kind of mother that never cracks the Bible for

herself and just goes to church so I had to Deal with that.

I had to address it and What I noticed in the Bible was,

you know, like first Peter to to like a newborn baby.

Desire that sincere milk of the word and I thought you know You do not have to teach a newborn baby to

want milk if they're healthy.

They just it's a God -given desire.

They want it and I noticed David in Psalm 42.

He says there's a deer pants For water so my soul pants for you

and I was like wow, you know I would love to feel that way and and then I

noticed in Revelation 2 for God says I have this against you you have left your

first love and.

So.

That's when I Made a determination that that's what I need to

find again because I used to be drawn.

I wanted To read the Bible, you know, and I thought that's what I need to

do.

So I Spent some time.

And we help people do that finding their first love.

I have some questions you ask yourself and that kind of thing and I

Waited until it wasn't like this in You know huge fire

flame of desire.

It was a little burn a Little desire it was what

I wanted and that's what I help other people find their first Love.

It never died.

It just gets carried up covered over, you know with the cares of the world and

What we hope and want for people is that they lead with their first love

and instead of leading with discipline.

Because typically you lose, you know.

It gets covered over and you get buffeted by life and then you come back and you say oh,

wow I haven't read my Bible in a while.

I need to get more disciplined and.

In one.

Stroke.

You replace what you used to have your first love with discipline and.

It's a sort of a you you you need discipline, you know.

But you need to lead with your first love instead of leading with discipline.

This isn't is real good for smoothing out the bumps in a road.

And yeah, so we try to help people, you know, it can work discipline can work.

You can keep showing up and fall in love with God and get to know when you find your first love,

but the danger is You keep showing up you keep being

good you're faithful.

You're good and the focus is on your Yourself and you can go your whole life being good

and being faithful and you don't really need God.

And so you just check it off and that's the danger.

So I think that's Why it's so important to have the relationship.

Put back in Center and then you you guard that with some discipline anyway,

that's that's sort of our Emphasis and don't talk about the

skill part of what he does.

Yeah I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

Well, I was just going to ask you but you could you could continue with your thought and then I'll ask you what I was.

Going to ask you after I finish.

Okay yes, our we're trying to have help people have a

meaningful Bible reading time and The first thing we address is

motivation that most people don't address it and if they do they just

say and What we've found is if if people can

can identify their first love How strong it is

and design their Bible reading time wrong?

Then they'll grow they'll meet each other that they'll meet God where they're

at on the skill part.

We have some very simple four steps, it's a variation of inductive Bible study

observation interpretation application at the name and

Simplified the Objective it's not aimed at The Bible scholar

it's aimed at anybody that wants to be a self feeder.

The names instead of observe

a challenges

turned us into a challenges and response

end up

we finally went went along with it and it is is a Simple

way to remember the steps the facts, you know, you just say what's there the lessons you?

What can you learn from the passage?

The challenges.

You turn each lesson into a question for for example if I was studying

The Genesis chapter 12 the calling of

Abraham, but he didn't tell him where to go.

What lesson could I learn.

I could learn a lesson that sometimes God

wants us to take action before we know.

Everything we need to know.

Okay, so there's a lesson that's something I can learn and then the challenge is really interesting.

The challenge is Taking that lesson and turning it into a question.

The lesson God wants us to take action before we have all the facts.

So turn that into a question.

Would I be willing to take action if God asked me to do so before I had all the facts?

So once you do those the last step is response and that's a simple two

or three sentence prayer.

We write these things down, but you don't have to and in the prayer, you're simply

listening to and then

Responding to him.

Sometimes that response is real easy.

He's asking you to do something that you want to do and you know.

You you just you know, tell him that you know, you're going to get on that.

And just respond truthfully, but since truthfulness is so important the

problem comes when you guys asking you to do something you really don't want to do at all and

for that.

You know put training wheels on your response and and say something like God.

I know this is your heart.

I know this is what you want.

I know that this would be better for me help me

want to.

I know it's on your heart.

We teach and we we have an app that we have a tool in the app.

Integrated in the Bible that for each of those

steps to fill in your lesson.

No.

What I was going to ask before is I Heard earlier Denise

basically talking about how difficult it was at one time for her to study the Bible and

and How did obviously you're you're writing this book?

came out of disappointment with other ways in which people

were instructing you or suggesting that you Study the Bible.

And how did this come?

About to a full -blown book where it started from just

Disappointment and how did you develop?

Something that Appears to have borne fruit in your lives and that you feel so strongly

about it or believe so strongly about it I should say because we Christians should be less and

less concerned with feelings and what we believe and think.

But but How did the How did this come about?

You know, were you being encouraged by your pastors other members of the church?

Tell us how this went from Disappointment in what existed to a full -blown book and an app.

Well, I I started wrestling with the idea of finding my first love and

I just I spent like five minutes a day.

Just considering things like do I want to know God and how do I want my life to be, you know I'll just

one -dimensional or do I want it to be have a spiritual aspect and do I want to know

his will?

And do I want to please God, you know all those kind of questions I would take five minutes a day and think

about it until I started Healing them.

I desire for God's purpose and then I thought okay.

How do what do I want to do with Bible study and and I'm sort of

you know simple straightforward kind of person and I thought I want to get to know God and so

I just started reading in Genesis and I said I'm just going to read

for one thing.

I'm going to read until I learn something about God what he values what he

reacts to.

What he cares about what makes him upset what makes him happy.

And I'm just going to read until I something hits me about who he is.

And so some days I would just read two verses and I'd say oh wow He really cares about

family or you know He's really into details and then other times I might

have to read two or three chapters.

Before something that hit me, but I was reading for one thing and it was what can I learn about

God?

And what he cares about and so I went through the whole Bible that way it took a couple years

but that's what I did and Some women came to me and

they asked me if I would mentor them.

It was sort of like out of the blue and I thought oh.

Okay I.

Could do that.

I can share with them What's been helpful to me?

And so that was the start of?

This mentoring and so no one I were sort of like.

And then no one I were teaching.

We started teaching a Bible study.

And so we started writing this book and Passing out the next bit of

chapter, you know each.

Each time we met each week, you know.

So that's sort of how it it got started the book.

Anyway, each each chapter of the book is basically one session with the group and it's

divided in half half of it to need to addresses

about motivation how to find it out of how to

how to guard and once you find it and And

and the other half of the chat

what to do when you actually sit down with the Bible somebody

at the same time.

Hire to watch.

Finding something that'll work.

Well, we have to go to our first station break right now if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question for Noel

and Denise e net our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com

Chris a RNZ and at gmail .com.

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Welcome back.

This is chris arnzen.

If you just tuned us in our two guests today our husband and wife.

Uh, noel and denise enet and they are discussing their book how to read the bible so god speaks to you

and also their app wave parallel bible.

If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com.

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As always, please, uh, please give us your first name.

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Uh, let's uh.

Say a few words of clarification if you will on the title of your book how to read the

bible so god speaks to you and We were chatting before the show a little bit.

And uh, just to let you know that the majority Of my listeners, I I believe judging from

those who write in questions and respond to me by email and facebook and so on.

I believe they are Theologically reformed cessationists and do not believe in extra biblical

revelation as some of our charismatic and pentecostal friends do.

So this might put a chill up the spine of some when they read the phrase

So god speaks to you you're not.

You're not talking about hearing voices from god or hearing some unique special Extra

biblical revelation that's meant only for you that comes from heaven or anything like that.

No, no, nothing like that.

That's the downside of that title.

Uh, no, what we're talking about is the opposite of reading a page

in the bible turning the page and not knowing.

Anything of what you just read talking about when you when you read the bible,

uh, it actually you and you can Connect

with what god is trying to tell you through this.

We're trying to say.

And the.

I'll give you an example.

We have uh in the word of god.

Uh, we have in isaiah chapter 55 11.

Uh, so will so will my word Be which goes forth from my mouth.

It will not return to me empty Without accomplishing what I desire and without succeeding in the

manner for which I sent it.

So we know this to be a truth a god -breathed truth of the scriptures that the word will never

return void so.

How would what you are teaching? christians to do.

Uh.

Be different from what god has promised will always happen.

Well, uh, I guess sometimes uh God's word doesn't go out from the

you read it and it never connects to anything in your head.

You know goes when one one here and out the other we we're in a very fast -paced society

and we uh, we'll do anything for uh convenience

and to read, uh, and

actually.

Uh sit with it long enough.

To have it actually go out from the page

part of you that responds to it.

We do have a question for you both, uh from susan margaret in delphin county, pennsylvania.

She says I don't know if this would be a person to person kind of a

question where.

The answer would vary greatly depending upon the individual.

But as far as what you know from your experience and what you recommend.

How.

Great or large of a passage of scripture should one read and meditate on before

stopping.

In other words some people might be So enthusiastic about what they're reading.

They'll read an entire gospel or several chapters of a book of the bible.

Uh, but then some might be reading too long and not even remembering what they have just read which is something that

you just said.

No.

Uh, so what is your answer.

And I know as I just said in the beginning of my question.

This may vary from person to person.

Uh, sure.

Yeah, um, I I think the biggest um,.

Uh.

Variable.

That affects.

The answer to that question is how good a reader you are.

If you take five people you'll find that their uh reading skills vary, you know.

Tremendously.

Some people if you say read luke's gospel, they'll say okay.

No problem I'll read that and i'll understand

that either.

Either were are more scientific oriented or weren't good in school.

Or don't feel like they're uh, very uh, they'll have a hard time

with one verse uh, so.

Um.

I I think people in general tend to be overly ambitious About what

to read when they when they take on something.

Um, for example, uh in the Bible reading programs for read through the bible in a year

or read through Uh new new testament in a year

recommended to our folks is um Is to learn how

you say you have to read lightly

through the passage until you find something that you want to Uh sink your teeth

into for what to read.

Uh, and when you do that you get a sense, um,

you're looking for something that uh hits you.

Um.

I I've never uh ceased to be amazed when we teach this and uh in

person we can have one passage and

I know that one.

That a passage has a single interpretation and many applications.

But when I stop at the end and I say, you know

You will find Such a variety.

Everybody's at a different place and God is trying to reach them.

When I

spoke not your children to wrath.

Uh when I read that and I was 18 years old and it

had all to do with what my dad shouldn't tell me to do.

But when I was a parent and uh Raising a child then it

hits me as something different.

What hits me is.

Oh, I I need to be really, uh Reasonable.

I need to tune into Uh, what is uh frustrating my child and not uh

go beyond that.

A single answer I would say Uh is a single answer.

If you're not a good reader I wouldn't feel bad at all about uh getting something like a daily

bread and find their passage and then just stick with that one one verse.

And try and surface.

We have arnie in perry county, pennsylvania.

Who says.

I think there has been a danger in the church, especially in fundamentalist circles where they

think that commentaries are not necessary and in fact.

Are.

Unwanted and People are not encouraged to read them.

But I think that it can be very arrogant to approach the bible as if you need no other guidance and no greater

minds than your own who have exhaustively studied the scriptures.

And who have really become brilliant minds who could far better understand things knowing

the original languages.

Do you think that?

Every believer should at least from time to time Refer to a commentary on the

scriptures or books By great authors of the faith who know the

scriptures far better than we can.

Uh, yes, we do.

Uh, I think the the um.

The issue is when?

What what in in learning theory?

Uh, they say that the the reason why it's hard to read and it's hard

new information is because you have to open up slots.

Uh in your mind to receive the new information and um.

When you're looking at a passage.

If you uh, if you don't try and see what you see in the passage first before you

consult an authority uh, then.

Uh.

You might get a question.

And if you go straight to the authority, you'll get the answer and then 10 minutes later, you'll forget the question

and the answer.

The the only issue here is to

for what you think it means.

Then you've opened up the slot in in your thinking and you have Uh the ability

to retain it.

You have a hunch as to what it might mean.

That's when you're prime and you're perfect to consult authorities.

Authorities can be commentary writers.

They can be pastors.

They can be professors seminary.

And that's when you can compare in the scriptures

with what you found and again, what you're looking for is, uh, you're looking

for and um, God works In your heart

as you're reading the scripture uh to identify something that uh, he wants you to look

at and um I think the authorities are are very helpful.

Once you have a sense for seeing what you think

and you know, there is uh an old.

Saying in the real estate business, uh in regard to How valuable a

piece of property or building will be and that is location location location.

And some of the greatest errors that christians or even Those that are not christians that are

attempting to read the bible is that they take Text that they're reading totally out of context

out of the location from which these words are springing from the page in the bible.

And uh, don't you think that.

That uh, it is very important when studying the bible to Go back far than

far enough in a text to know exactly what the context in the background of

the following verses are.

Uh, yes, I do.

I think context is is crucial.

Uh, it can completely change the frame of reference and with a A different

frame of reference the passage this is

um as we've taught people what we've found is

very easy.

To.

Know the fact that context is important and then Decide that

they end up making the passage too long.

To study in the amount of time they have uh, it's a pragmatic kind of a problem,

you know, really.

If if you want to do it, right?

You synthesize the whole bible first and then you break it down to its parts.

And that's how you really get the best context in in each of the sections.

That's uh, that's unfeasible

and and what what was so interesting, uh in in our experience was uh in

seminary the uh.

The guy that was teaching, uh bible study methods.

Uh, not in the bible college where we're uh, denise had the bad experience but in in seminary where

we both um.

He took one verse acts 1 9 and he had us focus on that verse and that verse.

And once we it was, you know, he had his focus and and we

got lots and lots and lots of uh information.

By continually looking at it.

And then we we uh broadened to the paragraph context.

And got more information and corrected some things that uh were incorrect because of the of the

narrow context.

And then we broadened to the chapter context and the same thing.

We got more information and we uh, please

speaking.

Um.

If you uh.

If you insist that you have to have.

Everything.

In the perfect context.

Um.

You just will have a hard time getting to it.

Uh, and yet if you if you just start with a verse and use as your context

what you know.

And what you've heard what you've been taught.

Have that be your filter and if if you read something and it just doesn't make sense.

Well, don't go with that go with what does make

things will help you.

Get out of the

yeah

the worry that that that uh, you're going to make a mistake.

The bible is self -correcting if you keep studying the bible.

Uh, and you have some kind of a thing you've taken incorrectly.

It will correct it will keep you know, there was a

class once at a junior college.

And they divided the group.

They divided the group into two and on on uh.

On one group they said at the end of the semester you will be graded on the

quality of your pots.

Every even if you just made one pot the whole semester your grade will be just on the

quality.

On the other side they were graded on how many pots they made.

No matter if they were terrible.

The more pots now at the end of the semester.

They graded everybody.

And then they showed the pot and um.

Group, do you think?

Had the better quality the people who made less pots.

That's what you would think that's not what happened.

Wow practice practice makes perfect and you see people that will

that that stopped from.

Studying the bible because they can't do it in a large enough context.

Lose everything.

But if you if you make it a small enough context that you can get through that it the

context becomes your combined

christian.

Uh theological knowledge, that's why by the way, it's a very

good thing to check with a rapidly.

Uh, the authority has the uh in their mind the context of that passage the

context of that book.

The context of the human author and the context of the of the covenants, uh in what's at

play at that.

You can get the important context.

Then.

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And uh, let's see we have a listener.

Uh bb in cumberland county, pennsylvania.

And bb asks.

Do you recommend somebody who is not very familiar with the bible?

To begin a study by starting in genesis.

And continuing through chronologically until they end in revelation.

Or would you recommend they read a chapter or a portion Of the old testament every day accompanied

by a portion of the new testament every day.

So they have the balance of teachings from the old and new covenant.

And don't have a long period of time where they do not have readings from the new testament.

Uh, yes.

The latter, uh, I think

that now somebody who's a more seasoned christian who's read the bible already.

Uh, i'm assuming that would be quite all right for them to begin.

An annual bible study where they read the bible through the year the year chronologically from genesis to revelation.

Yes, yes, because they they have the information that they can use to live on uh, and so

they can uh, weather a longer amount of time with information that's not so immediately

applicable.

We we like the idea of people following What they're curious about.

What they're interested about, you know, if they want to.

Just get to know uh, jesus.

Uh read in the new testament, uh, you know, how where he's uh, the gospels where he is recorded.

If they want to know about heaven they can do a topical.

Uh study, you know, just follow your.

What's intriguing to you?

And it usually works out.

Um, if you if you follow what you're interested in um, and and I think most

people just have good, uh questions and they have

things that they want to know about.

And forgiveness and god's grace and.

You know if you start where you're interested, uh, you can get more uh confidence.

Built up so that you can branch out to things that are Not quite in the center of your interest

and and that that will will continue.

Uh, if you do it all based on what you think you should do.

Well, that's that's not intrinsic to you and it'll be hard for you to keep that motivation going.

We like to foster.

Uh.

It growing uh, so if you start where you need to and then your

stamina your desire your Discipline that all grows that gets

stronger.

Um, so.

Well, I would think though, uh, and I don't know if you agree with me or not, but I would hope that you would.

That there's a difference between starting where you have interest.

And.

Just Sticking with Areas that you have interest because there are multitudes of people who

think that they're great.

There are multitudes of people who think or profess to be christian that are going to hell because they avoid all of the

areas of the bible that are uncomfortable for them.

They avoid the the warnings of sin and damnation and you know, you have a lot of liberal

bible scholars who are Thrilled to read the portions of the bible that they like.

That the stories that that fit within their their Pagan worldview, but they they don't

bring up the fact that things like homosexuality are is an unnatural and damning Behavior and

so on.

So I mean Would you would you agree with me?

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, of course.

Uh, let's see.

We have another listener here.

Uh, we have bobby in hartsdale new york.

And bobby in hartsdale, new york says.

I hope that I'm not making you repeat yourself but I was wondering what extra

-biblical Helps you could recommend when studying the bible.

Any particular books other than your own perhaps great heroes of the faith that have written on.

Studying the bible or have written commentaries that you recommend.

Study with

commentaries on making the bible Itself

more accessible and the the tool to capture your

uh is built into it.

It's the free app on the apple app store.

No had this vision about Helping people jump the wall

to Have access to the greek and hebrew and aramaic.

And so he has made it simple.

Uh for people to just you get the you get the greek free.

Um.

And uh king james that you it's a parallel bible.

So, uh, we give you free.

Uh what we're able to get free.

And you can touch on a word and it'll show you in the greek.

Uh the parsing and I should let no.

Describe this.

Yeah, I I was uh, I was an exegetical major at dallas theological seminary.

Hebrew major grammatical thesis.

And what has impressed me the most? Is to see how much interest people have in the

original language to

somebody who doesn't even know the character.

And so I designed this app so that I could Help people jump the

wall from english bible to original.

Uh, if you're if you're in a verse and you you want to know what the greek word for

a verse called wavelengths.

If you have wavelengths for romans and you're in romans 5 -1.

You can touch on a word and it will highlight the phrase that's in.

And highlight that same phrase and all the translations That you have in the app.

And uh, which words are in the phrase then

when you touch the the greek word.

Uh, it gives you the option to look for a custom translation of each

greek word In the phrase.

And these translations are not just computer lookups.

These are translations written custom in context by uh greek teachers,

uh, mostly from talbot some from dallas theological seminary.

And so that's now once you find the word you're interested in.

Um.

You don't know you don't need to know how to pronounce the word.

You don't need to know how to write the word.

But you just touch the word and you can press the search button.

And get a list of every place in the new testament that greek word occurs.

And when you touch each spot.

It's a parallel bible all and you can see how each

translation renders your word and do a greek word study.

There's the same thing for hebrew, but we can't get the hebrew free.

So that is part of the in -app purchase.

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I'll tell you

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Uh, we have.

I don't know why this listener wants to be anonymous because it's a fairly general question.

It's not really a personal and private matter, but we have an anonymous listener who asks Which

method of studying the bible would you recommend for young christians topical or

systematical?

Or studying books book by book or verse by work by verse.

Uh, obviously Young christians is relative because that could mean little tiny children in the home.

Or it could mean somebody who's 65 years old and is a brand new believer.

So I mean it has there's a lot of different ways of answering that i'm assuming depending upon what is meant by young christians,

but if you could give me your Uh answers on that topical systematical or studying book by book

or verse by verse.

Um.

Well, that's a good question.

Um I I think it would depend on uh, what kind of support, uh, the young person has

uh, if they have somebody that is uh, um, if it's

a like a teenager who's able to Communicate

with them.

I I would answer the

parent more able to help.

With the topical or with the I think they all

have value.

Um, I know when we uh, I will study with the flickr method,

uh, and their kids were you know

in the um, in the teens, uh,

maybe 10 10, um, if they're if

they're young if they're Uh elementary school you have to be a

little uh simpler and um.

They won't have much uh stamina.

I I would say their method would be the most

effective one.

For that person well, we have to go to our final break right now.

It's a shorter break than the last one.

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Welcome back.

This is chris arnson.

If you just tuned us in our guests guests have been today Noel and denise enid and they have been

discussing their book how to read the bible.

So god speaks to you if you'd like to join us on the air.

Our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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Uh, we have a listener.

Uh, let's see here.

We have christian in suffolk county Long island new york who says i'm, sorry, I

tuned in late, but I heard you mentioning something about a flickr app.

How do I get this app and exactly how does it work?

Uh, it is a app for the iphone and ipad.

And uh, it's a free app and it's um, you just

download it and it and you use it the way it's organized it it addresses the problem that

Uh many people have now with all these translations the new translations that come out.

Um.

It becomes increasingly hard for the english bible reader to identify.

Uh.

Which translation Uh, he should he or she should go with.

Uh, I don't uh, you know, it used to be there was one bible And everybody had the same bible pretty

much and um, you just uh went to it.

It was a unified experience.

But now even if you go to bible apps and you and you want to see what other versions say Uh,

it's presented like a cafeteria of options.

And there's there's no uh way for a thinking person to identify

Uh the strength of each of the options and so, um, we've encountered people that are

just and this parallel

bible, uh by Organizing them in a way that helps you

understand what the translation The the each translation is

in its own In its own column.

And the columns are arranged parallel.

Uh, so the translations are next to each other.

And they're arranged from left to right from the most literal, uh translation

to the most readable translation and uh.

So if if you read your favorite, uh version most of the time

and then you get focused on wording Then you move to the left, uh to the translations that are are

more literal like the king james.

Or uh the original he gives you the original.

And then when you say the original you mean the the greek and hebrew.

Is that what you mean?

Yes.

Yes.

Greek hebrew aramaic.

Yes, that's uh on the column that is in its own column.

Uh, and if you're in the new testament what's in there is the greek.

If you're in the old testament What's in there is the hebrew and the aramaic.

And daniel if you're reading and you totally lose your trend of thought

you move to the right and uh, the uh, the highly readable, uh.

Paraphrase translations will help you get your trend of thought, uh quick.

As you scroll it's

synchronized on the current verse.

And and how that's done when some verses are.

Have nine nine lines in them and some verses have only two or three lines in them.

It's a really beautiful thing to see how that works.

But anyway, that um, That's the function and that and that restores the sense of a

unified bible with several stripes of focus.

And then you can you can look at the original.

And see what liberties have been taken in the more paraphrased

translations so you can make an evaluation like oh, they really sort of took liberty there

or.

You know and you might say now i'm going to stick more to the left, but if you get confused You

know, it's always nice to have some options, uh for how other

Translations translated it and then you can go back.

King james is there and the greek is there that comes free, but uh, it it helps.

Um.

With bible study, it's just it's nice to have those kind of options and you can do word studies

really easy.

By pressing on the greek word and it'll show you where that word was used in other verses in the bible.

Now when you kept repeating that the king james and the greek are there for free i'm assuming it's because many.

If not, all of the modern translations require some kind of a royalty, uh financially whereas the king.

Yeah King james is public domain since this goes back to the 16th century.

Right, right.

Yeah, the uh, the publishers of the bible, um.

Have to recoup their translators.

They charge us for any bible that we download

to another thing about a wave that will download

the bible and uh you have if you go to a new chapter you kind of have to

wait for it to to come down the The

every bible that you have that you use with

what's on the phone or on the device

and um so.

We uh, we give you one translation one english translation in each category

and the greek uh the category for uh word for word translations we give

you the king james in the Phrase by phrase translations.

We give you the new english translation Which is a lot like the niv.

And then for the uh thotans we give you god's word.

Those are the translations that come down for free.

And by god's word, you mean an actual translation called god's word.

That's exactly right because they're all god's words.

Yeah, actually that's interesting, uh before I uh

wasn't familiar with god's word, uh.

Translation.

Some research.

Uh, it's by a group that it's not wikileft, but

it's another mission organization and uh, they're their normal thing is to go into a

Study the language and create a bible that addresses that

culture and that language.

What those people did is studied the united states culture and the united states people in the

united states language.

And created a translation.

Uh, just like they would for a foreign country only for the united states.

Yeah, in fact the the publishers of god's word Years ago provided free bibles to

all of the pastors that attended a uh, iron trip and zion radio pastors luncheon on a

cruise ship.

Uh, and so I am somewhat familiar with that and I did hear good reports back.

But of course, this is an opportune time for me to mention The new american standard bible since they help keep this

program on the air by their financial support.

That's nas bible .com.

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We thank the publishers of the nasb for their generosity and their faithful support.

That keeps that's one of our favorite.

That's yeah, that's one of our favorites.

I've done translation for the uh coming up.

Uh 2020, uh new american standard bible.

Um, but yeah that that's uh included as one of the bibles you can add, uh with the nf.

Well, please give our our listeners all the information they need to get a hold of how to read the bible.

So god speaks to you and also the wave parallel bible.

Okay on amazon

.com to read the bible.

So god speaks to you.

And uh, you can find it there and get it there.

Uh for the app you just go to the apple app.

Wave.

That's w a v e.

Uh.

Wave parallel bible three words.

You find it there.

Uh, it's the.

It's free and you just download it and you can begin using it.

We also have uh three study guides, uh, what kind of person is

jesus.

And those are if fun if you want to learn the flicker uh method of bible study,

uh, but it it's uh chronicles there has.

Uh, it goes through different accounts of jesus and you study that and it goes through the

life of christ and um,.

You learn the flicker method and then you learn what kind of person he is what kind of

personality.

What makes him angry?

What makes him happy?

Get to know Jesus in a way that you would get to know a friend.

And what would be a specific website if you have one where they can find out that information?

Uh, that's uh, that's our website, uh wave study bible .com w a v e

study.

Bible.

Dot com and that'll give you information on All of our writings and the app.

Great.

Well, noelle and denise.

I uh, really enjoyed interviewing both of you.

I really thank you for being our guest today.

I want to thank maggie conley again in texas.

For.

For recommending my guest today.

And I hope uh that all of you listening always remember for the rest of your lives that jesus christ is a

far greater savior Than you are a sinner.