Biblical Slavery

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May 16, 2020

Rapp Report episode 124 Andrew was on the Christian Worldview Projects’ Table Talk show discussing Biblical slavery. Many challenge the Bible because it talks about slavery. However, those people do not have the same understanding of slavery as in the Bible. This episode goes into detail of the Biblical view of slavery and how to...

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01:02: Christian Worldview Project's Table Talk show, and we had a lengthy discussion on the issue of biblical slavery.
01:11: It's an issue that comes up all the time when we are on the streets evangelizing.
01:16: People always make arguments against Christianity, dealing with the issue of slavery. That's coming your way today on The Rap Report.
01:26: One, two, three. Welcome to The Rap Report. With your host, Andrew Rappaport, where we provide biblical interpretation and application.
01:34: This is a ministry of Striving for Eternity and the Christian Podcast Community. For more content or to request a speaker for your church, go to strivingforeternity .org.
01:45: So good evening, Pastor Andrew. Good evening. Okay. So thanks for - You good evening. For me, morning.
01:52: I forgot. I forgot too. Yeah, it's actually morning over there.
01:58: So first of all, I would like to thank you for coming on and taking the time to have a conversation with me.
02:05: I really appreciate it. And before we start, would you mind telling us a little bit about yourself?
02:11: Sure. I grew up in a Jewish home. So I was a bar mitzvahed and raised Jewish at 16 years old.
02:18: I converted to Christianity. And so I went being raised
02:23: Jewish. I was actually raised to believe that Jesus Christ is Hitler's God. That's basically, you know, your generation after the
02:30: Holocaust, we didn't - Catholic Church had supported Hitler. So that was our view. And so I wasn't really looking for Christ and but I can't refute logic.
02:43: And so this bus driver who was driving the bus that we were on for the summer was a
02:49: Christian and shared the gospel and shared prophecy and the short story. There's a longer story.
02:54: You can go to my rap report podcast, go back to my personal testimony. It's there somewhere. And but but I got saved.
03:01: And then I ended up in seminary, being a pastor of a Chinese church for several years and as a preaching pastor, been in other churches as well, but not as the preaching pastor.
03:13: And then I after that, I had resigned from there and ended up traveling internationally, which is where I was with you with,
03:22: I guess, last May. Just a year ago, a lot has changed, Jordan. You and I were together in Philippines, right?
03:29: This has been a very different year for the world right now. Yeah. And so, yeah.
03:35: So I've traveled. I've been privileged to be able to travel the world to share the gospel, teach.
03:42: And now with the Internet, I was preaching just a few weeks ago in Philippines, Refuge Church.
03:49: I'll be teaching, I think, like seventy five pastors next week in India. Well, I'm able to preach all over the
03:56: United States and I do it all from here, my house. So it's very different doing ministry now.
04:03: But yeah, all my preaching schedules have have cleared up. I'm supposed to go to Guatemala end of the year.
04:10: We still haven't canceled that yet. And so but I've been privileged to be able to travel and work for Striving Fraternity, which is a discipling ministry.
04:19: So we do we do a lot of different things. We have an online classes on YouTube. So they're free of charge.
04:24: All you need is Internet. And those are at Striving Fraternity Academy on our website at strivingfraternity .org.
04:32: I have books that I write on different religions, theology. I'm working on the deity of Christ. Then we have podcasting, which we're doing right now.
04:41: I am the executive director of the Christian Podcast Community, where we disciple podcasters to improve both their quality and their content.
04:49: And so we have, I don't know, somewhere upwards about 30 podcasts, five of which are mine.
04:55: So I have the rap report, the rap report daily, apologetics live. So you want to be a podcaster and theology throw down.
05:01: So just a few. I get bored easy. You know, I don't I need to keep myself busy. Now, I don't know if you could hear this, but I have a real problem right now.
05:13: I don't know if it comes through, but there is a bird that has a fetish with my window. And it's not the reflection, because when
05:20: I when I covered up the window with plastic, he went around the corner to hit another window. I don't know what it is, but he has a fetish with my window.
05:28: So I hope that doesn't come through. No, no, I certainly doubt it's going to come through.
05:38: And can you tell us something also about your book? What do they believe?
05:43: I think it's a systematic theology book. Am I correct? Well, they both are.
05:49: What do they believe? And what do we believe? What do they believe is a systematic theology of the major Western religions.
05:56: And so it covers Judaism, Catholicism, Islam, Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses and then
06:01: Christianity. So those are the six major ones in that we deal with in the Western world. Some thereby you
06:07: Catholicism, you guys deal with that. It's very big there. But the thing that I tried to do with that book was to systematize these religions from their their system.
06:17: In other words, it was to look at what's their authority, what's their view of God, specifically the
06:24: Trinity, what's their view of Christ, specifically deity, man, sinfulness, salvation and end time.
06:31: So I take those six doctrines with all six of those religions. The nice thing about it, it's quick reference.
06:37: Get that and read any one of those sections. There's basically 36 independent sections. So if you're you're want to study those religions, you could just do that.
06:46: Now, my what do they what do we believe is a systematic theology of Christian religion. Again, I try to write it as a quick reference.
06:53: The thing that's going to be really different with that from other systematic theologies is one, it's not real thick, it's 200 pages.
07:01: And so it's not intimidating. It's not something that gets you to be so worried.
07:07: Oh, that's too too scary. It's too much. I try to write so that everyone can understand.
07:12: But it also the thing that I put in there is something you don't see in other theology systematic theology books, which is a chapter on textual criticism, which is how you could trust the
07:23: Bible. It is the number one question when I evangelize that comes up that the Bible has been edited. It's been copied.
07:28: It's been changed. It's you can't be trusted. It's been written by men. It's errors, all those things.
07:34: And yet, with just a little bit of training, we can answer those things very easily. And so I tried to water a difficult topic down to something that everyone could be able to comprehend and be prepared to argue.
07:47: Well, thank you so much for that information. So it's available.
07:54: It's available in Amazon, right? What do they believe is available in on Amazon and in Kindle?
08:02: What do we believe is not yet? You're not trying to reformat that. Okay. So it's driving fraternity dot org.
08:11: I'll put it that way. That's OK. Yeah. And, you know, if it's going to the Philippines, we could try to figure some other way.
08:19: We've been talking with we actually have a relationship with Rocker Refuge Church there in the
08:26: Philippines, and they've started to reproduce some of our training manuals. The hermeneutics class that we have, they have the rights to reproduce them there.
08:36: Is that the place where Stephen, Pastor Stephen Lawson preached or had a conference?
08:42: No, I think he was. I can't remember the name of the church that brought him out. It was another group.
08:47: I met the pastor when I was there, when we were in the Sky Dome. I had the privilege of having lunch with him, but I cannot remember the church.
08:54: Okay. No worries. But how long have you been in the ministry? There were only like a thousand people there that day.
09:00: Come on. I didn't remember everyone's name. No, it's not a problem, actually.
09:07: How long have you been in the ministry, Pastor Andrew? So of course, for those people who are aspiring to be a minister also will be inspired by your work.
09:17: Well, I started Striving Fraternity back in about 2000 and I guess 2007, 2005 -2007 is when we actually started that, but it has changed since then.
09:30: But I've been in ministry as pastor before that, well, I don't know, probably going back about 25 years, but I started when
09:38: I was one. Yeah, that's it. Uh -huh. I'm only 26. Well, look, my wife is 25.
09:52: I can't be too much older than her. I don't know what we do because in a couple of days, we're going to be married 26 years.
09:58: So I guess she's going to have to start being 30. Yeah, you're actually making this conversation really easy because of, you know, having so much fun, so much fun, even from the beginning.
10:15: Have you learned any Filipino language? No, I have not. But I have,
10:20: I have had Balut and enjoyed it. So they've had a bunch of Americans that came over and Mark Spence, EZ, Ms.
10:33: Wayne from Living Waters, and Justin Peters, and it was really funny because none of the
10:39: Americans were willing to even look at Balut. And so when they explained to her, yeah,
10:45: I'll have it. It's a big deal. So after church, I get done preaching and Pastor Armand goes, we have a surprise for you.
10:51: And I think it literally was like the parting of the Red Sea just with people. Like soon as he said that, everybody got up from their chairs and spread out.
10:59: And like, all of a sudden they brought in a table. I'm like, what is going on? And then I saw a carton of eggs and I went, ah, all
11:06: I could say, all I could say is I enjoyed it. It tasted good. But better than the taste was the look that I got to see on Justin Peters face as I ate it, because it was something like, it was great.
11:20: I wanted to get a still shot of the look on his face as I just took that egg and popped it in my mouth.
11:26: After looking at it, I went to show him that, yeah, it wasn't good for him. I thought it was good.
11:33: Well, I haven't eaten Balut for quite some time because of this quarantine days. I know,
11:38: I've been missing sushi. I think that's going to be the first thing I'm going to do when I get it. I told my wife that we're going to have to make homemade sushi.
11:45: I love my sushi. How about Filipino food aside from Balut? Yeah, I enjoyed a lot of it.
11:52: I didn't find anything. When I travel, I like to try local food.
11:58: I will have a problem when I go to India. India is the only food that my stomach hasn't been able to handle.
12:05: And I do have a group that's trying to get me to India, actually two groups. And the only fear
12:10: I have is the food because I know I've tried it about a dozen times and it just doesn't sit well with me.
12:16: But I enjoyed the Filipino food. It was really enjoyable. And the look on Justin's face when
12:22: I had Balut was worth all of it. It was better than everything. Well, I think if I were there, that would also be one of my unforgettable experiences.
12:34: Of course, to see Justin Peter's face looking at the
12:41: Balut. Okay, so I guess we have already a lot of viewers watching us.
12:52: I guess we should start our topic for tonight. Over there for today.
12:59: You wanted to say this evening. I know, I know. Super early. No, not really.
13:04: It's only nine o 'clock my time. It's not that early. But, you know, we can make it.
13:10: If I woke up super early just for this show, it'd be a complete lie. All right.
13:18: So I think the subject of slavery is very intimidating when a
13:25: Christian is being asked regarding this issue. Of course, the presupposition from the one who objects it that slavery of the
13:37: Bible or in the Bible is evil. Is it normal to be intimidated by this kind of objections?
13:46: It's intimidating to be challenged with any objection, especially one that seems difficult to understand.
13:53: However, I can remove that intimidation very easily because there's one thing that I always practice.
13:59: When someone makes a challenge, I ask a question. And if you do that, then there's no burden on you.
14:05: Think about it. The challenge is how could the Bible be true? It supports slavery, right? It's coming as a challenge.
14:11: Well, I'm going to ask a question instead of sitting there and trying to defend slavery, which
14:17: I can do and we'll discuss today. But I'm not in the position of having that burden.
14:22: If they say that the Bible can own slavery, there's a couple of different ways I typically go.
14:28: I'll first ask them to define slavery. I'll ask them, what does slavery look like? Because for most people, when they talk slavery, they're thinking of like the
14:38: African slave trade or slavery where you have ownership of another human being where they work as an indentured servant without pay.
14:47: They have no rights. And that is the idea they have. And I will keep asking them to explain the what their ideas of slavery until we get that worked out.
14:58: There's a reason I'm going to do that. We could dig into this more during the show. But here's the thing. When they admit that,
15:03: I'll say, oh, oh, so what do you think about employment? I mean, is that indentured slavery and indentured servitude?
15:10: Is that slavery? Because at least in America, we ended up having the people in the south who got worked outside, used to refer to the people in the north that worked in industries, worked in buildings where they worked long hours for little pay back many years ago.
15:29: That was they said that was voluntary slavery because they were having to work all these long hours for someone else to tell them how long to work and tell them how much they could get paid.
15:38: And so it was an interesting view that they had of it. But the reason I do that is this reason, because once they say that employment is not slavery, why is it not slavery?
15:50: It's not slavery because people can they can you know, they get paid. They can kind of pick and choose where they go.
15:57: Things like that. Now, this is going to be where we can make a difference between the slavery in the
16:02: Bible and the slavery that we have in that they're thinking of. See, what very few people that bring this question up realize is that slaves in the
16:12: Bible had rights. Slaves in the Bible got paid a half day's wage. So they weren't they were not unpaid labor.
16:20: They were paid labor. They didn't get paid as much. Why not? Because it was often they were paying off debt.
16:26: It's often that they owed someone money or they couldn't provide for themselves. They couldn't manage their money and they rested on on someone else to care for their housing, their health care, their food, all their needs.
16:39: They just didn't get paid as much because part of the payment went toward their living and all that.
16:45: A great example we have of really what that slavery would look like would be Japan in the 80s.
16:51: After World War Two, Japan had changed where you worked for a company and they owned everything.
16:57: The Japanese companies owned your house. They paid for your clothes, your food, your health care, your education, everything.
17:03: And the idea was if if the company is paying for everything and owns everything, the better the company does, the better you do.
17:11: You can get a better car. You can get better clothes. It all depends on how the company does. So people would be more likely to work for that.
17:18: That was the concept behind it. But but they owned everything. You didn't pick up and leave the company. You couldn't do that easily.
17:25: And they got to say how many hours you work and they got to say what you could do. But you got paid. That's closer to the biblical slavery.
17:33: That's none of and no one would call what happened in Japan slavery. They call that industry. And so I will
17:38: I avoid a lot of the tension there because what I'm going to start doing is just asking them questions with the goal of getting to that point, of getting them to actually admit what they think slavery is and then ask them, did you know that slaves in the
17:52: Bible got paid a half day's wage? Did you know that slaves in the Bible aren't treated as property in the book?
17:57: So they're going to argue for slavery being ownership. But that's not what we see in the Bible. In the
18:03: Bible. If in biblical times, if you lost, say, a cow, say you had a cow, he wanders into my property.
18:09: I have a legal responsibility, according to biblical law, to return that cow. But if you have a slave that runs away,
18:16: I don't have that same biblical responsibility because a person is not property.
18:22: And so I don't return the person that runs away like I would a cow. And see, they don't study that out.
18:28: They don't know those things. So by definition, what is biblical slavery?
18:34: Well, I would say biblical slavery is more of an employment system. You had a couple of reasons that people would be slaves.
18:41: It was usually and people will often look as if slavery was the worst thing ever.
18:47: If you get the book, 12 Years a Slave, this is written by a man who was born in New York.
18:55: He was a free African -American here in the United States. He went down to D .C. to make some money, play music.
19:02: He was a violinist. He was kidnapped there and forced into slavery. Now, the first place that he was a slave, he was a slave to a
19:09: Christian man. And he actually writes in the book, had he remained there his entire life, he would not have thought slavery to be a bad thing.
19:20: But he was moved to, sold to another plantation where they mistreated people. And everyone looks at slavery as if it is always the worst possible way of living.
19:28: And yet, in biblical law, we see that there are rules for the slave owners to care for slaves.
19:38: They had responsibility to provide for them and make sure that they're well cared for, not to mistreat them.
19:44: There would be rules against the mistreating of them. So what you end up seeing in biblical slavery is it's the focus on it is on the responsibility of the master to the slave, to respect him and to follow rules.
19:58: And so biblical slavery, typically people would get themselves into slavery. There maybe the
20:06: Israelites took over a land and they would basically kill the men in warfare.
20:12: Well, in a time where women didn't work, the only the only way to provide for those in the land that are left is employment system.
20:21: And that is what's called slavery. So they would be employed and provided for. Now, people say, oh, but they were they were slaves for life.
20:29: Yes, it meant that owners there are the masters would have because they overtook that that land and own that land.
20:37: Now, they had a responsibility to provide for those families for the remainder of their life because they would have no other means.
20:44: So it's to protect them from poverty. Another way you'd have people going into slavery is when they would get themselves in debt.
20:53: They would kill themselves or family members. And what ends up happening there is that that person would would be working until they work off their debt.
21:03: Now, there is there was provisions where someone might say, I, I, I prefer working for my master.
21:10: And so they would become a slave for life. In other words, they may recognize that they don't have a means of employment.
21:16: The master is taking care of me. I'm going to I'm going to be a slave for the rest of my life for him. And so you remain that way.
21:24: And the master would continue to provide for him. It's it's more than the provision you have at a company that you work for where they just give you a paycheck.
21:31: You know, here they're providing your food, your lodging, your clothing, anything you need. That's their responsibility.
21:38: And so it's a little different than what people often think of slavery, because they focus on the slave.
21:44: They focus on, well, they don't have rights. They're they're not they're just property. They're not treated as humans.
21:50: And that's not what biblical slavery would be. It's it's the responsibility of a master to take care of all the needs of the person who.
21:59: And there are people who just don't know how to manage finances. There's people who don't know how to provide for themselves.
22:05: And they they they overspend if they get in debt and they get trouble.
22:11: And it it's actually in the Bible we see is slavery is a protection against poverty, because if they didn't have the system of slavery, what would happen with these people here in the
22:22: United States? We see what happens when you when you have no system like that. They didn't live on the streets. You didn't see that in Israel.
22:28: Why? Because they had a system to protect them. So have you ever encountered someone or engaged someone and then raised this kind of objection?
22:41: How did you handle it? Oh, I get this all the time. Remember, I do open air evangelism on the streets and well, even in the
22:52: Philippines, Philippines. I got to do something I can never do here in the United States. I had this was
22:57: I went to we went to a mall, one of the malls there in the Philippines, in in Manila, and actually set up a amplifier in their courier.
23:05: I have watched that. Yeah. Three stories. I was actually preaching the gospel inside a mall.
23:11: I can't do that in the United States. It was great. Everyone's like hanging down, looking up as preaching and they're hanging down listening.
23:19: But I go around the country preaching on the streets, the gospel. And I will get this a lot.
23:24: There's two things that come up the most. The biggest thing used to be, can you trust the
23:30: Bible in different forms? As I mentioned earlier, a second biggest thing is slavery.
23:36: Used to be at least now the number one thing that's coming up almost every time is homosexuality. That comes up almost every time now.
23:43: So slavery is now kind of bump to three. But but I get this regularly. And really, the way to handle it is asking them questions, challenging them and then seeing how much they actually know about the scriptures.
23:55: Now, what they're going to do, there's a couple passages they always turn to. There's a passage. Yep. Exodus 21.
24:01: Yep. Yep. They're always going to go to that. And because what they're what they're looking, it seems seems in their mind to be like the ultimate proof, because what you you end up having in in Exodus 21 to 25, that you have the laws of slavery.
24:20: And they're there. It's going to talk about this case where, OK, you get a Hebrew slave and a
24:25: Gentile slave. So the Gentile slave, you have someone who comes in. They are you.
24:33: Israel's come in. They've conquered a land. There's people who are there. So you have this woman who has no other means of providing for herself or her children.
24:41: And so she is a slave. In the case here, she's unmarried and you get a
24:47: Hebrew slave. And by the way, here's the thing with the Hebrew slaves that within this is, again,
24:53: Sonya, bring up with with them is to show how little they understand slavery. In Israel, there was a year of Jubilee every seven years.
25:01: All debts were freed. So if you had a slave who's a slave because he owes someone money, but that money hasn't been paid off by the time of the
25:08: Jubilee. All debts are free. All slaves that are there for debt are released.
25:14: So it's not this view that they have of not having rights and things like that.
25:19: You see, there's there's all these laws protecting people and protecting the slaves and the responsibility of the masters.
25:26: So if you have a Hebrew slave who ends up becoming a slave, he gets himself in debt. He is finds another slave who's a
25:33: Gentile and he decides he wants to marry her. He can marry her.
25:39: But when the Jubilee year is up, the Hebrew slave is allowed to leave. But the master still has an overriding responsibility to to protect and provide for that wife.
25:53: And because of that, even if they have children, that responsibility is for the children as well.
25:59: And so what ends up happening is that the the Hebrew man has a choice.
26:04: He can leave. He's free. But what the scriptures say is he has to leave alone. Why? Because he got himself in debt to start with, which which exposes that he may not be someone who can care for the wife and children without the provision of the master.
26:19: So the the protection that's provided for the Gentile woman and her children remains with the master, not to the husband who already has displayed a failure to handle his finances.
26:32: And so now the the the Hebrew has a choice. He can leave alone and the wife and children still have are under the the headship of the master, or he can remain a slave, give up his that freedom of Jubilee and remain a slave and stay with his wife.
26:51: And people think that that's a very strange text because it seems like that they're, you know, that they're being a slave in it, that it's causing divorce.
27:01: But it's a protection law. And that's the thing we have to understand. This is it's a responsibility issue that the master has.
27:10: Now, the other one that people will say when it comes to slavery is you have a master. They come into a land.
27:16: You have a woman who husband died in warfare. And what ends up happening there is as that that occurs, you you end up seeing that there will be times where someone's going to be attracted to a woman or want a woman as a wife who was a slave and he will take her.
27:36: Now, it's very interesting because people will say, oh, he you know, like here you got people, a pillage of land.
27:42: They they rape the women and then they just take them as as wives. But they're slaves and they can't you know, they can't do anything.
27:49: Well, actually, they're making them a wife and there's rules there. If a man does that, he's never allowed to divorce her.
27:57: He has to always treat her as a wife. He can't let her go. And so it's not the way that they always picture it or explain it.
28:06: Like he just he rapes a woman. Then she's forced to marry the rapist. And then, you know, she's just a slave and he can cast her aside.
28:13: No, he can't cast her aside. You know, in fact, if he casts her aside, he's got he's got to give her the the money of an endowment so she could provide for herself.
28:22: You know, but, you know, this is the thing that you end up seeing is most of the people don't understand what the protections were.
28:31: And they don't see it as a protection system. They see it as a system of ownership of another human being.
28:38: Now, let me do you ask how I deal with it. Here's something I do. I do this often and I don't know if this will work.
28:45: I don't know what the position is in your country with the issue of abortion. But what
28:50: I typically will do when someone brings up this issue, I will challenge them and I'll tell you,
28:56: I'll ask them, why is slavery wrong? I will get them to a point where I what I want them to say is that it is wrong to say you own another human being.
29:07: I'll say, what's wrong with that? What's wrong with saying this is my property? I really want them to argue against the issue of this is my property.
29:14: I was outside of an abortion clinic preaching the gospel. We were there all day. But there was only one person who got the police called on them.
29:22: And it was me. And it's because they had a black and African -American gentleman standing outside of the door so he could usher the women in.
29:30: And I was saying and they could hear me inside. I said, sir, what's wrong with slavery? Do you have issues against slavery?
29:36: And he said, yes. I said, what's wrong with it? He says, it's wrong to say you can own another human being. I said, why?
29:42: He said, because people don't have a right to own other human beings. I said, what is wrong with saying this is my property if you paid for something?
29:50: Now, it sounds like I'm arguing for slavery, which I kind of am. And that gets them to really want to defend their view.
29:59: And so when they start saying it is wrong to say this is my property, then I turn to them and say, well, then explain one thing to me, sir.
30:06: What is the difference between saying this is my property and this is my body?
30:12: Every woman who goes into that clinic says this is my body and I can kill another human being because I have ownership over that human being.
30:22: There is the only difference between slavery and abortion is that slaves were not always mistreated and they lived.
30:29: Abortion is the same argument that they are against with slavery, but it always leads in death.
30:35: Well, most of the time death unless it's botched. And so I will take their argument and show that they're hypocritical because the majority of people that are going to challenge me on the slavery issue support abortion.
30:49: In fact, I'll play a clip if you want. This is what happened.
30:55: And we have a well -known atheist here in our where we live in the country named
31:02: David Smalley. And he was doing a debate with a friend of mine, Matt Slick, and it came time for Q &A.
31:08: Their whole argument, their whole argument was on the issue that the Bible is immoral.
31:13: And his whole argument was on morality. And he focused on slavery the whole time.
31:19: He and I talked beforehand. He knew exactly what my argument was because we talked about the abortion issue.
31:25: And this is what he said when I got up to ask a question. Mr. Smalley, do you believe that abortion is moral?
31:33: Oh, boy. I'm glad I'm debating him instead of you.
31:38: Because he knew he had no he knew that his whole argument when
31:44: I made the case to him, there were even atheists in that room. Oh, because they realized they want to support abortion.
31:53: And he did. He tried to argue for abortion. But I said, it's an ownership issue. You're taking you're taking a position that you can own another human being.
32:02: That human being inside the mother's room has a totally different DNA, could have a totally different gender, is a completely separate human being.
32:11: They're inside of the womb. But when you say you can kill that human being, that is an ownership issue.
32:18: It's no different than the slavery they are against. Wow, that was amazing. So basically, the problem about this objection is the lack of understanding of the biblical slavery because of their interpretation, which is the 20th century or 17 to 20th century chattel slavery or African slavery, right?
32:41: For the most part, but we I mean, that's what a lot of people are most familiar with. But slavery has been part of the work system, employment system, as far as we know, from antiquity.
32:55: I mean, you've always had cultures that ended up employing some form of slavery. You can go back in, you know, even in scripture, we go back to Egypt and we see that we see that they the
33:06: Israelites were slaves in Egypt. So there was always a form of slavery. Now, slavery was a work system, an employment system.
33:13: And yet we have to recognize the fact that even though this this system was in place, not all cultures practiced it the same way.
33:22: Right. So we see that there were laws for Israel. We don't think of slavery the same way,
33:28: I think, in the 21st century. Yeah, because we have we think we have more rights.
33:33: We can we can go and find a job somewhere. If we don't like working for this company, we just move to this company.
33:40: But ultimately, they pay us. They tell us how long we're going to work if we want to get that paycheck.
33:46: And we have a little bit more freedom in most countries that we can pick up and go somewhere else. But we also don't have the protections that can come with that system.
33:56: Now, it's always it always comes down to where you can have abuse. And that's always the problem.
34:01: That's why the Bible has restrictions on what can happen to protect people. And so that's why
34:07: I think you always had slavery as far back as we can. We have recorded history. We see that there's been slavery.
34:15: So the question is, why? Well, because there's some people who who can take care of themselves and others and some who can't.
34:22: And the people who can't, if you don't help them and take care of them and provide work and things like that, what ends up happening is they go into poverty.
34:31: So which is better? I mean, you look around the world and you look at the countries that that don't have a system to protect the poor.
34:39: They're going to have either a large number of poor, the countries that try to protect the poor, like they have welfare states over in Europe.
34:48: And you end up seeing that over time. It ends up being such a drain on the system that the countries end up collapsing over time.
34:56: We in this country, my country, have even the worst of both worlds because we're trying to be a welfare state taking care of the poor while having open borders, having everyone come in.
35:09: And there's never been a country that has been able to successfully do that.
35:15: Countries that have welfare states usually have closed borders. Countries that have open borders typically don't have a welfare state.
35:22: America used to not have a welfare state. We said you come in and you work, but we didn't have provision. If people couldn't take care of themselves, it was a well type of attitude.
35:32: There was no protection for that. So is that concept of protection the same as insurance in our institution?
35:42: You know, I never thought of it, but yeah, it would be in a sense. Yeah. I mean, the difference being is we pay insurance.
35:52: And the protection from biblical slavery is free, right? Yeah. And well, we pay insurance and we hope that they're going to pay us when things go bad.
36:02: Yeah, unfortunately. I'm changing that for a lot of people. I have friends who are, you know, we're doing a trip to Israel, Striving for Eternity is doing a trip to Israel in 2021.
36:13: And the trip sold out. But if anyone wants to get on that waiting list, go to 2021israeltrip .com.
36:21: We have people coming from all over the world, Ireland, Mexico, everywhere.
36:27: It's really kind of neat. Canada, America. And so it'll be Justin Peters and I leading things.
36:34: And really what we noticed with that is this whole COVID -19.
36:40: We were talking about the insurance with the guy who's running. He goes, let's not get the insurance yet, because after COVID -19, we don't know which insurance companies are going to still be in business because they're just paying out too much.
36:54: And so, you know, it's it is a thing where let's let's take that, for example, like it's not really an insurance thing.
37:00: But what happened here in America was we had a we have a president who said, you know, to to not overwhelm the health care system.
37:11: We're going to try to tell everyone to stay home and not go to work. We're going to tell businesses to to either shift where their employees can work at home or, you know, shut down.
37:22: And because the government was forcing it, the government said, well, we're going to we're going to have to come up with money to pay people to keep their employees.
37:29: You know, paid. So you got money for two months to keep people on salary.
37:35: Well, since the government was the one shutting down the businesses, this president said, well, it's the government's responsibility to to pay for this, to, you know, make good on the damages that they're inflicting.
37:48: What do you have happen? Well, there's just not enough money to go around to everywhere. And, you know, they try they did put restrictions and penalties on big businesses that didn't need the money.
37:59: So they were like, no, we'll give money back. But there's a bunch of small businesses that just didn't have money to pay for employees and said, you know what,
38:06: I got to open my business. You may have this law, but I have to feed my family. I have to have my employees feed their family.
38:13: And so, you know, we had one woman who opened a hair salon so she could feed her family and her employees could could get paid.
38:20: And, you know, she said they arrested her and she said, if you got to put me in jail, you put me in jail.
38:25: But I'm not shutting down my salon because, you know, my employees need to eat. What happened there?
38:31: She got sentenced to seven days in prison. She was willing to do that so that she could take care of the people who worked for her.
38:39: That's a responsibility as a business owner that she had. Same as that you'd have with a master that has slaves.
38:45: They have a responsibility to make sure they take care of people. Oh, right.
38:52: Thank you so much for that very informative explanation. So how about in the
39:00: New Testament, they're quoting verses like Ephesians, obey your masters, et cetera, et cetera, and link that versus to chattel slavery.
39:13: Do we have the same response to them in regard to that kind of objection? Well, I think here we get into something very interesting because you'll sometimes find
39:23: I don't. Are you familiar with Andy Stanley down there? You know who he is? Yep. OK, my condolences.
39:29: Sorry that we spread our bad theology around the world. But Andy Stanley is one who tries to say we need to unhinge the
39:41: Old Testament from the New Testament. One of the things he doesn't like about the Old Testament is that it talks about slavery.
39:48: He doesn't like that very much. And I've been meaning to do a podcast on this on my rap report podcast.
39:53: I got to eventually I'm going to I'm going to do this. But when he was talking about unhinging the Old Testament from the new, his argument was he didn't he just he did not like that.
40:02: Because of the fact that here he has the Old Testament that refers to things like slavery.
40:09: And that's just so wrong. And so I did a little research. How many New Testament books refer back to the
40:16: Old Testament and which books we have left? If we unhinge all of the Old Testament and remove all the
40:22: New Testament books that refer back to the New Testament or the Old Testament. Well, I discovered we would only have one book left.
40:30: There's only one New Testament book that doesn't refer to the Old Testament at all.
40:35: Doesn't allude to it or anything. It happens to be the only book dealing with slavery.
40:42: That's right. Philemon, the one chapter, that one book. And what's the whole purpose of Philemon?
40:47: The whole purpose of Philemon is that here Paul is writing to Philemon, who had a slave who ran away.
40:56: And he's saying to him, listen, your slave who ran away, he may even owe you some money. His name is Onesimus.
41:01: He's he came to me. He got saved. He's been very valuable to me. And you owe me,
41:08: Philemon, because, you know, I'm the one that led you to Christ. So you owe me. Well, you can put his debt on my account.
41:14: So he's basically sending Onesimus back to Philemon. Very interesting. And it's the only book that doesn't have any allusions back to the
41:23: Old Testament. So Andy Stanley would be left with one book in the New Testament and it would be a book all about slavery.
41:31: So I don't know what he exactly wants to unhinge the Old Testament from the New. So that's the idea of Andy Stanley, why he wants to unhinge the
41:42: Old Testament from the New because of the issue of slavery. It seems to be the biggest thing that he has issue with.
41:48: I mean, I think the other things that he would have issues with, he doesn't like the fact that the
41:54: Israelites went to war. I mean, basically what it is, is he doesn't like in his 21st century sensibility.
42:01: He doesn't like things he reads in the Bible. But those were the things that happened in those days.
42:07: I mean, is he going to unhinge himself from America because of the African slave trade, which he doesn't like?
42:13: Is that a logical way to go about things, to try to rewrite history and ignore the actual events of things?
42:20: So I just think he's got a system he can't hold to consistently.
42:25: But what you end up seeing in the New Testament is, yes, you have Paul telling slaves to remain slaves.
42:31: You have him sending Onesimus back to his master. Now, remember, this is a
42:37: Roman slave under Roman rules. So in Roman rules, a slave was property.
42:43: Fine layman could have had the right in Roman law to kill if he so desired
42:48: Onesimus, especially since Onesimus, it seems, stole money from him when he left.
42:53: Paul sends him back. Why? Because to Paul, what was more important is the gospel and the issue of restoration, forgiveness, things like that, reconciliation.
43:05: And so you end up seeing that there's a lot more lessons that we have that fine layman and Onesimus need to learn.
43:12: In fact, historically, we do see that there seems to be a church leader named Onesimus.
43:18: So there actually is the possibility that even though Onesimus was a slave to fine layman, when they got to church, it may be that Onesimus was a leader over fine layman.
43:30: Be a real interesting situation of how to do that, how that works out. But that's that is the reality.
43:38: You know, you have to recognize the fact that the Bible in the New Testament, you see
43:43: Paul talking about submission. You brought up Ephesians. Where is it mentioned in Ephesians 5 and 6?
43:51: You can't just say 6. Why? Because it starts in 520. The thing that people forget, and this is a passage many people know, because they have, you know, they are going to talk about husbands, you know, love your wives, wives submit to your children.
44:06: And they never start in verse 21. They start in verse 22. 22 says wives submit to your husbands.
44:15: OK, well, where do we see submission there? Oh, just one verse before submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.
44:25: Wives submit to their own husbands. And then later he's going to be talking about slaves.
44:30: Your earthly masters in chapter five. This whole thing from that you end up seeing that starts in chapter two, verse 15, and works its way all the way down to chapter six.
44:46: Verse nine is all the concept of mutual submission that we have. He's talking about that within the church.
44:53: We submit to one another. Husbands to wives. Wives to husbands.
44:58: Husbands to wives. Children to parents. Parents to children. Fathers do not provoke your children to anger.
45:05: Slaves to masters. Masters to slaves. You know, he's basically what Paul is doing there is he's talking about a mutual submission that we have within the church, and it affects all realms, whether you're spouses, parents to children, masters to slaves.
45:22: Every type of relationship that we have, we should be having mutual submission to one another in the church.
45:28: That's the thing. Paul's laying all that out. He's not just giving a statement, but breaking that down.
45:35: So, yes, how would that attribute to us? When we go to work, we are to submit to our employers. If we're the employer, we are to submit in the sense to our employees to care for them, provide for them.
45:46: We have a responsibility. We have to take care of their needs. Now, in America, we see this breakdown because those that are at the top have now, you know, they've been able to give themselves more and have less of a concern for the people that work for them.
46:01: So they protect themselves over their people. They actually, if we were applying biblical rules, they would have a responsibility to make sure that their people are taken care of.
46:13: You know, you do see us with something like our current president doesn't take a salary. He's got enough money. And so he has decided he's not going to take the $800 ,000 a year that is allotted for him.
46:25: He put that back into the government so that we wouldn't need to do as much taxation.
46:32: That is the way someone should do. I remember the story, there was a car manufacturer,
46:37: Lee Iacocca was the head of it. And he took, he had made enough money.
46:43: The company wasn't doing well. And he just said, I'm going to take a $1 salary per year. That's all he made was $1.
46:50: And, you know, that way he wasn't making the big money and everyone else could be employed.
46:57: That was a responsibility. That would be a biblical practice that people at top would see that they have a responsibility to take care of their employees.
47:05: That's the view of biblical slavery. Do you think why shadow slavery exists in our time is because of the, when people start to depart from the scriptures?
47:22: I think that shadow slavery is because people have a sin nature. If you give them a position where they can feel that they can control another human being, they will do that.
47:34: There's plenty of examples throughout history where people, once they get control over another human being, will try to exert that control and try to get more for themselves.
47:45: That's because we have a sin nature. That's the reason we need biblical principles. Because the biblical principles are to protect against our sin nature, to protect other people.
47:55: Because we recognize that these people that you have a responsibility to care for, not to take advantage of.
48:03: Cattle slavery is nothing more than one person wanting to control another person. Exactly.
48:10: So, whenever someone is trying to bring up the...
48:18: I think your internet may be going out. I didn't hear the question.
48:23: Sorry, the internet went out for a bit there. Oh, I'm sorry. So, let me repeat that question. Your backup needs a backup. Cover me.
48:33: So, basically, when someone tries to object regarding slavery in the context of 20th or 21st century slavery, we
48:46: Christians should really ask the objector, what do you mean by slavery in order for us to really have this kind of clarification both sides, right?
48:56: Yeah. It's a good book, if you guys could get a hold of it, is called
49:01: Tactics by Greg Cockel. And the reason I always recommend this, years ago,
49:06: I was going to write a book on evangelism. And I realized most of what I teach is in his book. So, when he came out with it,
49:12: I just recommend people get that. It teaches you how to ask questions and what the purpose of questions are.
49:18: If someone challenges you, ask questions. You can ask questions to gather information. What do you mean by that?
49:24: What do you mean by slavery? What is slavery? Why is it wrong? Those are information gathering questions.
49:30: Or it could be to expose them as when I start asking them, why is slavery wrong?
49:36: Because you're against ownership of another human being. Then do you support abortion? That's exposing a problem.
49:43: I mean, you heard the reaction that David Smalley had. He didn't want to have to deal with that in front of hundreds of people, right?
49:49: He was trapped with that. And that's what that question did. It exposed a problem that he knew he had, that he wanted to avoid.
49:57: And so, you can ask questions that expose. Now, when I'm doing that, is there any pressure on me? No. There's none because I'm not the one having to answer.
50:05: If they make a claim, you ask a question, then there's no pressure on you. I had a guy in New York that, you know, was telling me that there is no
50:13: God because there's evil in the world. Yeah. And I said, well, you explain this to me.
50:19: How could you have evil without God? I think evil is the best argument for God. And, you know, he said, well, what's evil?
50:25: He's now asking me a question. And I said, sir, I didn't say evil exists. You did. You see, he wants to put the burden back on me.
50:33: And I said, no, no, you said evil exists. You said we can't have God because there's evil in the world.
50:39: What is evil? And he didn't have a definition for evil. He kept asking me, what's evil? What's evil? So after a couple of times,
50:45: I said, OK, evil is the absence of good and good is defined by the nature of God.
50:51: How can you have evil without God? And in a crowd of people, he just threw his hands up and left the crowd because he had no answer.
50:58: But many people don't like that answer, though, in the Christian perspective. Right. In fact, they don't accept that.
51:06: It doesn't matter if they accept it. I mean, what criminal accepts that they're guilty when they stand before a judge?
51:12: Yeah. I mean, they're always pleading their innocence. It doesn't matter whether we like it or not. The fact is, is if if you define evil by anything else other than the nature of God, then you have a subjective standard.
51:26: And therefore, you can never hold your standard against another person. Therefore, every single country that has prisons would be wrong because the guilty person justifies his behavior.
51:38: And therefore, if you have a subjective standard, you can't say you're wrong and I'm right.
51:43: It can't be. You have to have an absolute standard. So why is lying wrong? Because God is not a liar.
51:49: Why is stealing wrong? Because God is not a thief. Why is raping wrong? Because God is not a rapist.
51:56: You see, it all goes back to the nature of who God is. God is good. Evil is the opposite of that.
52:04: Darkness is the lack of light. Evil is the lack of good. So what do you think is the relationship between the
52:16: Old Testament and the biblical slavery and the gospel? Well, I think what we'd see in the relationship to biblical slavery and the gospel would be this, is that God recognizes the sinful nature of people, that people in the sin nature would do what we see around the world, that they would want to own other people, control other people, and make everyone submit to themselves.
52:41: Because as we see in Genesis 3, human beings want to think that they could be like God.
52:47: And they feel that when they feel that they can own another human being or force another human being to bow down to them and do what they wish.
52:54: And because of that, it shows the sin nature that we have. It shows that God is right, that we are sinners.
53:02: And God had protections on people. God had to provide a way for people to know that they're accountable to someone greater than themselves, and that's
53:13: God himself. And when we break God's law, which we all do, we are accountable to God.
53:19: And that's why God himself had to come to earth. God himself had to come to earth to die on a cross, to be a payment of sin that you and I, Jordan, we can never pay.
53:28: You and I can never pay a consequence that is forever. And so because of that,
53:34: God, being an eternal being, is the only one that could pay that fine. Being a human being, he could pay for men.
53:40: That's what makes Jesus unique. That's what makes Christianity unique. Christianity is not a system of morality.
53:46: Christianity is a system of Christ. It's based on a very special person who's truly
53:54: God and truly man. Being truly God, he can pay the fine of eternity and pay it for all people.
54:00: For being a man, he can pay that for people. And so what you see here is that Christ is, because of his death, it is sufficient for all because he is eternal.
54:12: But he provided that because we're sinners, because we have that need. Left to our own devices, we would continue in sin and rightly deserve an eternity in a lake of fire.
54:24: But God made a way of escape. He himself came to earth, died on the cross that we could be set free.
54:29: That we turn from trusting ourself or trusting our good works, turn and trust Jesus Christ. That's the gospel.
54:35: We can have the forgiveness of sins. Or as Paul wrote in Corinthians 5 .21, he who knew no sin became sin that we might become the righteousness of God.
54:48: So Christ took the punishment of sin upon himself and then calls us righteous. That blows my mind.
54:55: But that's the view. Now, here's the thing. What does scripture say? What does Paul say in Romans?
55:01: You and I are born slaves to sin. And when we turn to Christ and repent of our sin, we become slaves to Christ.
55:11: Notice, he uses that same mindset of slavery that we see God putting in the
55:16: Old Testament. In other words, we have a duty to our master. Now, in this case, the way
55:23: Paul's using it is the world, the cattle slavery concept. We are enslaved to sin.
55:29: It controls us. But when we come to Christ, he should control us. And we put old things away.
55:36: We put away that sinful lifestyle. We have to stop doing that and be a slave to sin and live every day thinking that way.
55:43: Now, I have taken down now because I'm packing up and moving. I have this cover here because I don't want you to see an empty bookcases behind me because my books are practicing separation.
55:55: My books are quarantined. They're all in boxes. I would like to have one.
56:03: They're practicing social distancing for me right now. It's sad. I don't have my books. It's really hard because I'm preaching and I'm like,
56:10: I don't have all my commentaries. But the thing is that as we look at what the gospel message is,
56:20: I have this note that used to be on my desk here. And it says, you are a slave.
56:26: Serve your master. As a constant reminder to myself that when I became a Christian, yes,
56:31: I was no longer a slave to sin. But it doesn't mean I'm not a slave anymore. Yeah. I am still a slave.
56:38: I'm just a slave to Christ. And I have a responsibility as a slave to serve my master the way he wants me to serve to the best of my ability.
56:48: And that's the message for a Christian. To the unbeliever, you're still a slave to sin.
56:55: That sin controls you all the time. No, I'm going to live my life my way. I'm enjoying my sin. No, you're not.
57:02: Sin is leading to death. Yeah. And it's destroying you. Yeah. But they don't know the freedom that they can have with the forgiveness of sin because they don't see that.
57:13: They only understand what it's like to be a slave to sin. And you don't understand the freedom you have in forgiveness until you're forgiven.
57:21: That's a problem because they see African slavery as wrong, but they did not see themselves as slaves of sin.
57:34: These people are very self -righteous. Yeah, well, that is true. I was just preaching on that in Mark this week at church, the self -righteousness of the
57:44: Pharisees, that they could see Jesus eating with tax collectors and sinners. And they're like, you're a teacher with sinners as if they're not one.
57:54: And Jesus' response. I came from the sick. A physician comes to the sick, not the righteous.
58:03: The thing I had said on Sunday was Jesus says this statement, and they don't even realize what he's saying about that.
58:11: Your righteousness is based in yourself. You have that claim, but God doesn't agree with your assessment. Exactly.
58:19: Well, I guess I'm done with my questions. Before we close this conversation, any advice from the young Christians out there about handling these kind of objections in regard to biblical slavery?
58:35: Well, it really comes down to learning how to interpret the Bible. What I would say is if you go to strivingforeternity .org,
58:44: look under our academy. We have 20 classes on how to interpret the
58:49: Bible, how to study the Bible. And so free of charge, you can take them. If you want the syllabus,
58:55: I'd recommend you contact Rock of Refuge Church with Pastor Armand.
59:01: He has the rights to reprint them there in the Philippines because it costs less to print them there than for us to ship them over.
59:10: It makes it too expensive. We don't want that. But that'd be one thing
59:15: I'd recommend because the thing we have to do, what's really at issue here with biblical slavery is you must interpret rightly.
59:24: In other words, you must understand what the slavery was at that time, understand the purpose of it, understand the culture.
59:30: So we can't read our 21st century thinking into the Bible. We have to understand the culture and the history and the time at that time of the writing, what was being said, what was the purpose of it.
59:43: And then understand it from their perspective and then bring it into our day. That's what harmony is, the science of interpretation.
59:52: That's what's lacking in many churches. And that's why so many people, this is a struggle for them because they don't look at it from the biblical perspective of seeing it as a responsibility of the masters to take care of the slaves.
01:00:03: They look at it, as you said, cattle slavery with it being unfair to the slave.
01:00:08: So I would say that's a big thing people could do. I think if you go to Need God, the group on Facebook.
01:00:18: Need for God. No, I think it's Need God Philippines. Yeah, Need God. Go to needgod .ph
01:00:24: and that's the website. From there, on their page,
01:00:30: I think they have some of the teachings that we did when we were in Cebu. And so when we did the snatch them from the flames and that is going to be there.
01:00:41: There should be a video on Facebook, at least that's there from the one teaching that I did.
01:00:47: But let me let your audience know of a different thing. And that is if you go to strivingforeturning .org
01:00:53: on the front page is a link to online events.
01:00:58: And if you go there, you can register May 30th. The same for those who may have missed when
01:01:05: Justin and I were in the Philippines. We're going to be doing that same seminar online. It's a snatch the flames home edition.
01:01:12: So we're going to because we're all at home. You know, it started with Justin and I kind of Justin called me up one day.
01:01:19: He goes, how's your how's your speaking schedule? Look, and I went all free. Just it cleared up or everywhere around the world that he's like mine too.
01:01:28: We're like, what should we do about this? And he said, let's let's do an event that doesn't cost anyone anything. Everyone's at home.
01:01:34: Anyway, people can't get out. My encouragement is use this time of quarantine for those who are stuck at home.
01:01:40: Get into the Bible, read and study. So that the moment we get out, we hit those streets sharing the gospel as much as we can.
01:01:48: That maybe God would use this COVID -19 to bring about a worldwide revival.
01:01:53: That would be wonderful to see. But it's on us as believers to start studying now and preparing and getting ready to share the gospel to answer the questions of biblical slavery and things like that.
01:02:05: But May 30th, if you want to register, just go to the striving for attorney dot org. Go to online events there.
01:02:11: And from there, you can register. You'll see a video that's that that you can watch it right there.
01:02:17: You'll be able to watch it free. There's no charge. It's going to be all day May on May 30th for you guys.
01:02:26: You're going to have to decide to sleep during the day and stay up at night. We're going to start. It'll be for you in the
01:02:31: Philippines. It'll be starting at 10 o 'clock your time. No problem. Six in the morning. So, you know, for your night owls, it's going to be great.
01:02:39: You have something to do with the rest of the Philippines sleep. The nice thing is it's all going to be willing to putting it on to YouTube.
01:02:47: And so it'll it'll be there so that you can you'll be able to watch it. And so that's something that we're doing, taking advantage of time when everyone's home to help basically get
01:02:58: Christians take advantage of the fact that they're all kind of stuck at home to to equip them so that they're ready to win this quarantine less.
01:03:07: Okay. Thank you so much for that very wonderful gospel presentation there.
01:03:12: And of course, for that very short advice, yet very encouraging.
01:03:18: Well, I guess it's already one hour. And that's the limit of my commitment to this day.
01:03:32: Oh, this day. So this evening. And I would like to thank you for granting this conversation.
01:03:38: I hope this is not the last time we'll be doing this, Pastor Andrew. No, I'd be happy to come back. Okay. I want to encourage
01:03:44: Christian podcasters. That's why we have the Christian podcast community, you know, because we want to encourage people to to be out there and podcasting.
01:03:54: So let's just change that background. Look, see how quick I could do that. That was nice. See the background now. Christian podcast community.
01:04:00: Just flip that. But, yeah, maybe. Is that available in strivingforeternity .org?
01:04:10: Yeah, well, you can get to all the podcasts there. You could go to Christianpodcastcommunity .org as well, and it'll get you to all the shows.
01:04:17: And we even have, if people who want good Christian podcasting, they could actually subscribe to the
01:04:23: Christian podcast community podcast feed. It's its own feed. So every one of the podcasts that host with us will be on that feed.
01:04:31: So you can listen to one feed and get a whole lot of podcasts. Okay. Thank you so much for that.
01:04:37: Well, I guess it's time for us to say goodbye for now. Thanks for having me.
01:04:42: Okay. Pastor Andrew Rappaport, thank you so much for having me here. So for those people watching, don't forget to follow
01:04:54: Pastor Andrew Rappaport on YouTube, strivingforeternity .org.
01:04:59: Visit all the contents there. Those podcasts and contents will be very helpful for us young Christians.
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