The Rapture, Revelation 20, and the New World Order

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So I figured I'd get on here and just talk about the topic Which Let me see the

Rapture Revelation chapter 20 in the New World Order So that's what we're going to be looking at You say well why the

Rapture? Well every April and September You Tube is crazy, right?

Yeah all this Rapture talk people having dreams You know

It's either, you know during Pentecost or during the Feast of Trumpets, you know these high watch days for the

Rapture and several people Believe that the Rapture was going to take place.

I mean there's this picture floating around Facebook a car that said

Rapture the Rapture September I think it was like the 25th or the 26th and You know all this stuff and it really gives

Christianity a bad name now Well, I used to be a pre -millennial and mostly all that.

No, we know knows that and you know, there was a time in like 2008 2009 2010 my vehicle on my

Interest in reality and virtual meeting This time is in many ways

Anyways on my vehicle like my license plate holder said in case of Rapture this

Vehicle will be unmanned And I used to have all kind of Rapture dreams to you like I was you know

I disciple myself through Perry Stone manifest ministries and like like I Was just constantly

Glee and studying and thinking about it talking about it And so I used to have what

I would say would be like Rapture dreams and stuff like that but I Don't know so I just wanted to get on here and Just for a second talk about the

Rapture talk about Revelation chapter 20 talk about This supposed

New World Order today, and then I'm gonna go to bed, right? I got one on a one -day conference tomorrow with a gentleman from my church

Invited me so it's about two hours away from where I'm at. Now. I'll be leaving around 7 15 7 30 and right now it's what that's 11 12, so Yeah, so a question is asked when do the

Rapture become such a meaningful topic in church history, and I would say Like the view of the

Rapture that we have now 20th century right all right

John Nelson Darby And From John Nelson Darby it was popularized by Schofield study

Bible anyway, so it's The main thing is is it's taken from Daniel 70 weeks so you have the the 69 weeks and then there's a 70th week and and people separate the 70th week from the 69th week

But we have walked through Daniel chapter 9 I believe several times on this podcast showing that that the 70 70 weeks are

Completed that there is no such thing as the 70th week of Daniel thrown out into the the future right

But I do want to say like Like we believe in a rapture, right?

I But When I say the

Rapture and whenever you hear people talking about Rapture, it's two different things. We're not talking about a pre -tribulational

Rapture the the church is removed from the earth and then God is dealing with the

Israelite people For seven years, and then there's like this Depending on where you're at.

There's a seven -year tribulation or there's a three and a half year tribulation and And then the church will return with Jesus You know

That idea to establish a a kingdom for 1 ,000 years on earth

Then Satan is released. That's when you get into Revelation chapter 20 But Again so every

Every month around April dealing with with Pentecost and and then

April and May and then September October there's this high watch times and if you pay attention to YouTube and like every

April every September listen do it type in Rapture and Man, you will be flooded with people talking about it's this year and and plus it's the idea that that Israel was made a nation in 1948 and in an order in order for Okay, so so then you had like Matthew chapter 24 talks about Which if you remember me and Braden my my co -host to me and him get on here and we debate

Matthew 24 But in a different way, he's not a premillennial dismissational, but there's that verse where it talks about The fig tree, right?

I've got it marked up So the fig tree generation Yeah, so first 32 it says from the fig tree learn its lesson as soon as you see the branches

Become tender and put out its leaves, you know, that summer is near So also when you see these things you know that he is near at the very gate

Truly I say to you this generation when I pass away into all these things take place heaven and earth will pass away

But my words will not pass away and so they would see this as Those that were you know from the time

Israel became a nation they were the fig tree generation Of course that the beginning they used a biblical generation which is four years and so and then that's why you have them books coming out 88 reasons that the rapture is in 88 1948 88 it's four years.

Well now we're coming to 2028 will be 80 years.

And so when you do the math this year is the Let's see, yeah,

I think it's this year would be the last year that the rapture could happen in order for a seven -year tribulation

For 1928 I mean, excuse me, 2028

And so, you know again people setting dates making dates And a lot of them they'll say well

I'm not setting a date because no one knows the day or hour But if you go back and you look at my Matthew 24 talk, and I know

Brayden disagrees with me, you know, Brayden's wrong, right? I pointed out that the day and hour was

Speaking about heaven and earth passing away this would have been judgment coming to Jerusalem So and all that but The main thing that that I think is important is that this whole rapture conversation

What I want to do is I just want to show from Scripture What we believe?

when it concerning the rapture and not What pre -millennial dispensationals believe right?

I mean, that's the eschatology That is that is very very popular My eschatological view is is it's not popular.

Well in the scheme of things, right? Okay, so Let me get to it first Thessalonians, okay, let's see the coming of the

Lord So this is where we get the word the hapazo rapture like if you go to the

Latin Vulgate The Latin Vulgate hapazo, this is the word rapture means to be caught up So we look at first Thessalonians chapter 4 beginning in verse 13

It says this but we do not want you to be unaware. So Paul writing to the church at Thessalonica I do not want you to be unaware brothers about Those who are asleep speaking about Christians who have died

That you may not grieve as others do who have no hope for since we believe

That Jesus died and rose again, even so though Through Jesus God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep

For this we declare To you by the

Word of the Lord from the Lord That we who are alive Who are left until the coming of the

Lord will not proceed those Proceed will not proceed those who have fallen asleep for the

Lord himself will descend From heaven with a cry to command with a voice of an archangel and with the sound of a trumpet of God and The dead in Christ will rise first.

So this is speaking of the resurrection The dead in Christ will rise first Then we who are alive who are left

Will be caught up with him together With them

And excuse me Well will be called up together with them in the clouds to meet the

Lord in the air and so shall we Always be with the Lord therefore encourage one another's with these words, so a

Reformed position would see this as being the second coming We says the second coming when you correlate this with first Corinthians chapter 15

First Corinthians chapter 15. Sorry, I'm looking at a new

Bible's pages are still stuck First Corinthians 15 speaks about the resurrection of the body

Paul talks about if Christ has not been resurrected then Then we are to be pitied among among all men

Because we believe that since he's the first fruit and since he was raised we too who believe in Christ Will be raised from the dead

So let's just read a little bit here

Let's see. Yeah, so Let's look at verse 20 chapter first Corinthians chapter 15

But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep

Remember the those that are falling asleep. Those are the ones that Have died.

This is premier language that we just read in first Corinthians first Thessalonians chapter 4

For as by one man came death by a man has also come the resurrection of the dead

For as an Adam all died so also in Christ shall all be made a life

But each in his own order Christ being the first fruit then at his coming those who belong to Christ Then comes the end

When comes the end well, let's read that again

But each in his own order Christ the first fruit then and his coming

Those who belong to Christ then comes the end. So in Thessalonians were talked about Christ's coming the

Trump of God the sound of it. I mean the other trumpet of God Christ coming

With those who have fallen asleep the dead in Christ will rise This is his second coming where it says we will meet the

Lord in the air So When he comes those who belong to Christ then comes the end right here when he delivers the kingdom to God the

Father after destroying Every rule and every authority and power for he must reign until he puts all his enemies under his feet

The last enemy to be destroyed is death. So if you believe in a

The rapture of the church being a free millennial rapture view that you're gonna be raptured from the earth and Then seven years later you return and during the seven years is gonna be death and then when you return

Christ will set up his kingdom on earth, but there's still gonna be people being born and dying

Well, that's not what this says as it it actually gives you more information

The last enemy to be destroyed is death So when Christ comes back and his second coming at this time where the dead in Christ are raised

When we go to be with him in the air He destroys death.

That means no more no more death People will not be dying.

That's it. It's over with For God has put all things in subjection

Under his feet go back to Hebrews chapter 2 it speaks about this but when he says all things are put into subjection it is plain that all things is

Expected who put all things and subjected under him When all things are subjected to him the

Son himself Will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him

That God may be all in all otherwise. What do people mean by being baptized on the behalf of the dead?

if Okay, so right here. I Know this is a very confusing verse

Otherwise, why do people what do people mean by being baptized on the behalf of the dead if the dead are not raised at all?

Christians are are being baptized so this is so Baptism is a picture of the gospel.

I would say that it is the gospel, right? The sign and seal of our baptism is the death

Burial and resurrection buried with him in baptism raised to the newness of life

The argument is is that Christ has not been raised from the dead Why are people being baptized for the dead right

Paul's argument is is that Christ is not dead. He died. He was buried, but then he rose again

That was the beginning of this. This was the gospel message 1st Corinthians chapter 15 verse 3 for I deliver to you of the first importance what

I also receive that Christ died Right here. He died for our sins according to the scriptures that he was buried

That he rose raised on the third day according to the scriptures. So people are not being baptized on behalf of the dead

But on the behalf of the one who came Out of the grave and that he lives and he now lives he's at the right hand of the father.

He's on the throne of David And so I just wanted to you know, like and another argument

They'll say is is that that the rapture is our blessed. Hope no, Jesus Christ is our blessed

Hope Jesus Christ is our blessed. Hope And if you're in Christ on the last day, he will descend

The dead in Christ will rise well Let's not read all the way through but let's skip this

For the sake of time. I need to go to bed. All right. I don't want to get too far.

So let's just go to Mmm, and I touched on this last week too.

So verse 42 it says So it is with the resurrection of the dead

What is so perishable? What is raised imperishable?

So Speak about our body. We're put into the ground this flesh.

It's perishable. But when it comes out, it'll be imperishable It is sown in dishonor.

It is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness. It is raised with power It is sown a natural body.

It is raised and it is some natural body. It is raised a spiritual body if the natural body

If there's a natural body, there is also a spiritual body thus it is written the first man right here.

He's going to represent the The first man Adam. He's going to represent the natural

Became a living being and the last Adam speaking of Christ is a life -giving spirit

But it's not that the spiritual That was that is first but the natural so we had to have the first Adam in order to have the second

Adam and then the spiritual The first man was from the earth.

Remember Adam was created from the dust of the earth Right here. All right.

Sorry. I don't know what happened there. I Hope okay.

I'm gonna keep going A man of dust the second

Adam is from heaven As it is written the man of dust as it is written the man of dust also those who are of the dust and as is as is the man of dust so also the man of As was the man of dust so also those who are of the dust

And as is the man of heaven so also are those of heaven just as we bore the image of the man of dust, we also bear the image of the man of heaven.

This is why we have to be conformed to the image of Christ, because when we're born, we're born bearing the image of the man, the first man

Adam, which is a broken image of God. All right, when we're born, if we have the true

Imago Dei image of God, there's no need to be conformed to the image of Christ, because we have

Adam being born with God's image, but then his son was born in Adam's image, which is a broken image of God.

Man is a broken image of God. Anyways, I don't want to get into that conversation, but the idea here is is that when we say rapture as Reformed people, we're talking about the second coming,

Jesus coming, the dead in Christ are raised. This is the last day.

He separates the sheep from the goats, those that rise from the dust, rise from the grave covered in dust.

These are those that still have the garment of Adam.

Adam is still their covenant federal head, right?

Those that are in Christ will rise from the grave bearing the image of Christ covered in the man of heaven.

It is as if Jesus Christ himself is on us, right? The Bible says to put on the

Lord Jesus Christ. Now, so premillennial dispensation, rapture, seven years, three years, the church returns, thousand years on earth, setting up the kingdom.

Satan is set free, like death, everything taking place. Reformed view, whether you're if you're a postmill, all mill, or even, yeah, postmill, all mill, is that the rapture is the second coming.

It is the last day. There is no more death. So I do want to put that out there that Reformed people believe in a rapture, but the word is so tainted sometimes we won't say the word.

We would just use the second coming, but the second coming historically has been seen as the rapture.

All right, now concerning Revelation chapter 20 and this

New World Order idea that we're living in, supposedly.

So if you watch this channel, you know that I am a partial preterist.

I believe that the the book of Revelation is actually, so I'm preaching through the book of John right now, and John, the gospel of John does not have a

Olivet discord, right? It's the only gospel that doesn't. The book of Revelation, I believe, is

John's Olivet discord, but it's a view from heaven looking down.

Now, just like in the Olivet discord from Matthew, like I believe all of 24 is fulfilled, but there's things about the

Olivet discord that wasn't. You see, like you get in chapter 25, if you watch that video,

I kind of walk through what I believe is taking place there. So in Revelation chapter 20 is the most symbolic chapter and the most symbolic book of the

Bible. I made a comment the other day talking about the two witnesses, and I gave my opinion on the comment, and someone's like angry faced my comment, but when

I challenged him to come on this podcast and have a conversation with me, crickets, because really there is no defense, right?

I was using scripture as my interpretation, not a premillennial dispensational view of what people think it is.

But when you look at, because I mean there's no way that you can interpret the book of Revelation literal, right?

Like when you when you talk about Revelation chapter 11 and you want to look at the two witnesses, it says that there's two witnesses and there are two olive trees and two lampstands, so that's four.

Two plus two equals four, but yet there are only two witnesses.

Two plus two does not equal two. The two olive trees and the two lampstands, two plus two equals four, not two plus two equals two.

And so we have to agree right there that the number, you can't take the numbering literal when it comes to the two witnesses.

And so I gave my opinion that I believe that it was the, because like when you look at the olive tree, and me and Brayden are supposed to have a debate on this, which

I look forward to, the olive tree in Romans chapter 11 represents Israel, and in Revelation chapter 1 the lampstands is the churches.

And so I believe this is speaking about the Jewish Church during the time that where the first temple was still standing, undergoing persecution, read the book of Hebrews, they were undergoing persecution, that this is what that is speaking about.

It's symbolic. John is right in the way to where his hearers would understand because they were living in this time.

In Revelation chapter 12, you have a woman clothed in the sun, standing on a moon with a crown of 12 stars on her head.

Ladies and gentlemen, we can't take that literal, right? It means something, and if you understand what

I teach, I teach that it's Israel. Go back to Genesis, the dream that Jacob, the dream of Joseph.

Joseph has a dream that the sun, moon, and stars are bowing down to him.

His father Jacob says, you mean me, your mother, and your brothers are going to bow down to you, kind of looking at it as Jacob being the sun,

Rachel being the moon, and his brothers being the stars. And so when

I see Revelation chapter 12, sun, moon, and stars, all throughout the scripture, sun, moon, and star language speaks about Israel.

And so we have Israel. Israel gives birth to a child, a male child, who rules with a rod of iron.

This is going back to Genesis chapter 3, the offspring of the woman. Jesus comes,

Hebrews chapter 2, he had to be made like his brothers in every way. He had to be a Hebrew in order to be a high priest.

And so again, it actually has a real meaning, but what

Revelation does, it gives us a word picture. So it gives us symbols.

And so Revelation chapter 20 is the most symbolic book, the most symbolic chapter, and the most symbolic book.

And so again, whenever you interpret Revelation, you got to go to chapter 1, verse 19, tells you how to interpret the book of Revelation.

Man, these pages are stuck together. The angel tells

John, write therefore the things that you have seen, that's past tense. Things that are, that's present tense to him, are past tense.

And things that are to take place, that's future for him. The question is, is how much of his future is in our past?

And so when you're interpreting Revelation, we

Revelation chapter 11, the temple is still standing. Imagine if, imagine if I was to write a biograph,

I mean, imagine if I was to write a book on the last 30 years of New York, but I did not mention 9 -11.

Like that wouldn't make sense, right? Like if you read a book about New York, and it actually mentioned the tower still, like it starts, it talks about the

Twin Towers, you're going to think that this, and it doesn't mention 9 -11 when they fell, you're going to think that this book was written post 9 -11.

Well, the book of Revelation is the same way. It doesn't mention the destruction of the temple, but it tells us that the temple is still there.

John is told the marriage of the temple. So interpreting

Revelation, we need to understand that quite a bit of it has already happened, and the things that, that same future might not be.

I'm not saying all of it isn't, and that's where we get to Revelation chapter 20. I think that this, there might be something here that's future, but I don't think the book of Revelation itself actually goes into detail, nor do

I think any learned scripture goes into the detail of what we may have to go through.

So if you look at the book of Revelation, so before I read it,

I want to paint a picture. So, so what was Satan allowed to do when he fell?

Jesus said, I saw Satan fall like light. What was it that he was able to do?

Well, Satan fell. Revelation chapter 12, it has him falling to the earth.

Chapter 13, Rome comes up out of the, out of the sea.

Satan was described as the dragon. He had seven heads, 10 horns, and seven diadems.

The beast that comes out of the sea has, has 10 horns, seven heads, and 10 diadems.

It's, it's, it's almost the same in reverse. Whenever Satan was tempting

Jesus, he took him up to a high pinnacle and told him to bow down and worship him, and he would give him the kingdoms.

What kingdoms was he talking about? Rome and Rome's power, right?

Whenever, I don't believe that, that Satan had control over China. I think that Satan raised up a kingdom, which was

Rome, that took over what was called the Roman providence, the known world at the time.

And so when we read Revelation chapter 20, I have to ask myself, whenever it comes to Satan being bound for a thousand years and then he's released, well, what will

Satan do when he's released? Well, I think he's going to do what he did the first time he was on earth, raise up a kingdom that will control, at that time, the known world.

But if this is future for us, the known world is a lot bigger, and it might give way to what we're seeing right now with a supposed new world order, but I just don't believe that we can read about it in scripture and say this is what's happening.

We can read and say, you know, this is what happened on a small scale, and what could happen could be something bigger.

So Revelation chapter 20 says, Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand a key to the bottomless pit and a great chain.

And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan.

And he bound him for a thousand years and threw him into a pit and shut it, sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended.

And after that, he must be released for a little while. Then I saw thrones, and those sitting on them are those who have the authority to judge.

Well, let's just stop right there. I think that, I don't think we need verse four right now.

So again, if we want to be really literal about it,

Rome only ruled for a little over a thousand years. That could be something, right?

I mean, but the idea, especially in the all -millennial position and post -millennial position, is that him being bound, we really just take what the text says, that he might not deceive the nations any longer.

But still, at this time, whenever Paul was writing, so in the time of Paul, Paul said that Satan was the god of this world, right?

And so it's the idea that at the destruction of Jerusalem, maybe he was bound for a thousand years, right?

And that the gospel was able to go out from among the Jews and to spread throughout the nations.

However that thousand is, whether it was a literal thousand years, or if it was something like how the

Bible speaks, like I can't think of anywhere in the Bible where a thousand is used literal.

God owns the cattle on a thousand hills. Well, there's more hills than a thousand with cattle, and I would say

God owns them all. A day with the Lord is a thousand, and a thousand years is a day.

That doesn't make any sense, or I will bless those for a thousand generations if a generation is 40 years, a thousand times 40, like we haven't been on earth that long.

You see what I'm saying? So nowhere where a thousand is mentioned that you can actually take it literal, and so we can take that interpretation and say, well, this is not a literal thousand years.

This is just a long period of time. If it is a literal thousand years, we can understand that Rome ruled just a little over a thousand years, right?

And so maybe during the early church, or so maybe a thousand years ago,

Satan was released, like who knows, right? But he could be released right now.

I'm not saying that he is. I'm not saying that he isn't. I know there's a lot of crazy stuff going on in the world right now, but if this is future,

I'm not saying it isn't. I'm not saying it isn't. I don't know, but if this is future, what is

Satan going to do? Well, we can look in the Bible and see what he has done.

He raised up a kingdom that took over the known world. Now, what we can't say is going to happen is exactly what happened to Israel, because God, when he returns this time, when

Christ returns this time, he's not removing the kingdom, the covenant from the covenant people.

That's what happened the first time. Jesus came to establish a new covenant, a new kingdom, removing the old covenant, the old kingdom.

No longer was the kingdom going to be geopolitical. No, the kingdom was going to be in your midst.

No longer was it going to be the covenant of circumcision. It was going to be a new covenant, and no longer was it going to be planted with a physical offspring of just one race.

I mean, of course, you could be a proselyte, could become a

Jew and enter the kingdom that way, but this is not what it's about. It's not about earthly things.

It's spiritual. The kingdom of heaven is spiritual. The kingdom of God is spiritual.

If we got into that conversation, I don't have time right now. You would understand why I left post -millennial position, but anyways, just to sum this up,

Reformed believers believe in a rapture. We don't use that word in particular because it's been hijacked.

We see the rapture as the second coming of Jesus Christ on the last day.

Now, my position as a partial preterist is that book of Revelation is

John's discord. Revelation 20 could be speaking about a time of tribulation, but it doesn't go into detail of what it's going to look like, but we can use what it looked like the first time

Satan was on the earth. He raised up a kingdom. That kingdom was

Rome. He conquered. They ruled. They enslaved. They established stuff.

So, if that happens again, it will be like that, but on a greater scale.

The world is much bigger now, and that could be what's taking place when people talk about the new world order.

So, I'm not saying that there's no such thing, that that's not true. Part of me believes that it is, but we cannot do a one -for -one with everything that took place.

We can just say something like what happened could happen again. We can't give it a one -for -one because when

Jesus comes, he's not coming to remove the kingdom and the covenant from the church, but he's coming to put an end to death, suffering, and to raise his people from the grave.

Those that are asleep and those who are alive will be called together with him to meet him in the air, to separate the sheep from the goats.

And so, that's just a reformed, homo -ideal, partial preterist view.

And if you have any questions, or if you want to get on here with me one night and have a conversation,

I'd love that. I kind of do better when I have someone to talk with. Again, Hassel's supposed to be on here with me, but you know,

I got another comment. Reformed, oh yeah, that's

Brayden. Reformed ex -mormon. Yeah, Brayden, I wish you were on here too, man.

It's hard talking and looking at yourself. So, whenever Brayden's on here or Hassel's on here,

I don't have to, you know, I'm not looking at myself. I'm looking at them. So, it's a lot easier to have that conversation.

Thank you, brother. I appreciate you listening. Um, yeah, so,

I'm gonna go to bed. I'm tired. I just thought I would try my best to explain this, even though I was by myself, without someone to riff off of.