August 14, 2017 Show with Joseph LoSardo on “A Local Church’s Mission to Rescue Unborn Children from Infanticide”

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Joseph LoSardo’s Conversion and Move from Messianic Charismatic Ministry to Reformed Baptist Life

And I am so delighted to have back on the program an old friend of mine who hasn't been on Iron Sharpens Iron radio for quite some time. His name is Dr. Joseph Losardo and he's a former elder in a very large charismatic messianic congregation in New Jersey who earned his PhD in molecular biology of cancer at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in the Bronx, New York, where he remained as a researcher until answering the call to ministry and planting a Reformed Baptist congregation known as Bread of Life Fellowship of Wayne, New Jersey.

And today, Dr. Losardo is going to be addressing with us a local church's mission to rescue unborn children from infanticide. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome back to Iron Sharpens Iron radio, Dr. Joseph Losardo.

It's great to have you on the program again, Joe.

Oh, it's great to be here, Chris.

Yes, it's been much too long. And in studio with me is my co-host, the Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Hello, it's good to be here again.

And I'm going to give our listeners our email address right away in the event that they have any questions for Dr. Joe Losardo. It is chrisarnson at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

Please give us at least your first name, your city and state and your country of residence if you live outside the USA. And please only remain anonymous if it's about a personal and private matter. I can see this topic easily lending itself to people having personal and private questions such as those perhaps who are considering having an abortion, or those who have already had an abortion or more than one abortions and are totally riddled with guilt over it.

Or there could be a host of issues that are involved in this. Perhaps your church is involved in a pro-life outreach and you have to remain silent for the time being about it publicly because of the fact that you are being sued or something like that.

We understand that those would be reasons to remain anonymous, but if it's not a personal and private matter, please give us at least your first name, city and state, and country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Sovereign Grace, Jewish Evangelism, and the Reformed Faith

Well, first of all, Jo, before we even get into the main subject at hand, I want you to tell our listeners something about your own personal conversion to Christ, the religion of your youth, if any, and what circumstances our Lord providentially brought about in your life that drew you to himself, and then how you went from being an elder in a very prominent, charismatic, messianic congregation in New Jersey to becoming a Reformed Baptist, which is quite a leap, and then planting the Bread of Life Fellowship of Wayne, New Jersey.

So start off with a summary,.

If you could, of your testimony of salvation. Sure. He had received the Lord while I was away. Is this Chris? Yes, that's Chris, yes. He's two years younger, and I saw the change in his life. He shared me, and the Lord worked on my heart, showed me my need for him, for repentance and faith.

I didn't know it at the time, doing the work, but he used that. Needing to move to New Jersey, I started last year attending a large messianic congregation that had a radio ministry, joining that church, and the ministry in the messianic congregation, the pastor,.

Things like that. And the pastor, who is still there, to my knowledge, is a published author, and has even been interviewed on major television networks involving his published works. Yes, 394, somewhere around there.

Yeah, they had a program on the station that I worked for.

Back then, WMCA and WWDJ. Yes, I'm on the job. One day I had a studying leave for that reason, but there were a lot of other things. Now can you tell us how you became introduced to the Doctrines of Sovereign Grace?

You know there's hardly any Calvinists in the church when he's.

Called Bill the Calvinist. Are you there, Joe? Yes, I'm here. Okay, sorry if my laughter deafened.

You. Yeah, no, he's full. Excellent folks. Jay Adams, our model. Yeah, and one thing that I.

Remember from the radio program hosted by that congregation when I was working for WMCA and 970 DJ in New Jersey, was that they believed in new extra-biblical revelation. Yeah, divine revelation outside of the scripture.

So I'm sure that became, when you became convinced of the Doctrines of Grace, there was probably something in that regard that got you somewhat uncomfortable,.

To say the least, remaining there. Well, yeah. And one thing I think we should make it clear,.

Because people listening might think that there's some kind of polar opposite phenomenon with Calvinism and a love for the Jews and a passion to reach out to them with the gospel. People might even be surprised that Chosen People Ministries, a major messianic ministry in New York City, was actually founded through the outreach of Presbyterian evangelists in the 19th century.

And even Mitch Glazer, their current president, is a five-point Calvinist, although he is a dispensationalist. He is a thoroughgoing Calvinist, and I don't know if he still is, but he was for many years a member of a Presbyterian church.

Oh, that's interesting. So these things are not polar opposite. In fact, every church that loves the Doctrines of Sovereign Grace should also have a love and a passion to be bringing the gospel to the Jewish people, because they know that God has an elect from out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation.

And so there should be a burden there. And it is odd, isn't it, Joe, that a Jew could come to Christ and reject unconditional election because of the fact that even in the Old Covenant, God had a peculiar people that he chose from out of the masses of humanity, not because of anything good within them, not because of any foreseen actions or decisions on their part, but just purely out of his love for a unique group of people that were unlovely, that did nothing and had nothing within them to deserve or warrant his love.

They demonstrated disobedience throughout the entirety of the Old Testament and wound up crying out for the death of God's only son. But he still at that time, in that dispensation of time, God had chosen the nation of Israel out from among the other pagan nations.

And yet when a Jew comes to Christ, there are a minority who are believers in the Doctrines of Sovereign Grace, but it's just that, it's a minority. It seems like the overwhelming majority reject the Doctrines of Sovereign Grace, and some of them are vehemently anti-Reformed or anti-Calvinist.

It really is odd, isn't it?

Yeah, it is. It is one thing that the Old Testament teaches. Is it a people and passed over a people? Maybe that's correctly working the same way. It ought to be very easy for a Jewish person.

And just out of curiosity, I mean no disrespect to my charismatic and Pentecostal friends listening. I have many brothers in Christ who are charismatic and Pentecostal, but I am not myself. And I believe you also, when you became Reformed, you did abandon the concept of.

Modern-day sign gifts and the charismatic movement attached to that. So your church.

Then took it that far, because not all charismatics take the sign gifts as a necessary sign of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The mainline Pentecostal denominations do, but your church actually agreed with the mainline Pentecostals on that.

Okay, okay. Looking, opening up the Bible, pointing and finding the verse, you know, and then, you know, that means something. That kind of, and that, yeah, gift, he's sovereign, he can do whatever.

Bread of Life Fellowship and the Church’s Calling to Preach the Word

Well, you have come to a place where you and your congregation over there at Bread of Life Fellowship of Wayne, New Jersey, started this work. Tell our listeners something specifically about Bread of Life Fellowship.

Three on Sunday morning, and we love the Word of God. The London Baptists were preaching through. I'm presently in a series of a number of baptisms, many...

Yeah, I just had the privilege to preach on a text in Matthew, when I was asked by the congregation where I'm a member to preach again. This was my, I believe, my third time. I preached at the local Bethesda Mission in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, which is basically a Christian homeless shelter for men and a ministry for addicts of all kinds and so on, men who have hit rock bottom and that kind of a thing.

Yeah.

And I have a heart for that because I had gone through not only a long period of time before my conversion, enslaved to drunkenness, but then a period of tragic backsliding that I was rescued out of and went to a ministry very similar to that in North Carolina, Hebron Colony Ministry, so I have a heart for that.

But I preached on the Parable of the Wedding Banquet, and that is quite a remarkable passage of Scripture because of the fact that it really is a summary of the entire history of redemption from the Old Testament to the New, and how Christ's enemies, or those that claim to be the children of God, persecuted not only the Old Testament saints and prophets, but all the way up through the New Testament with not only the persecution of the apostles, John the Baptist and the apostles, but obviously the persecution and crucifixion of Christ himself.

But quite a remarkable passage, and I'm sure you're going to enjoy, if you haven't already hit that one in your series, I'm sure you're going to enjoy.

Preaching through that. Yeah, well, that passage of the sower and the seed is so clearly revealing.

That when we evangelize, there is something different about the soils that makes those seeds take root and flourish and grow, or wither and die. And it's such a clear example and demonstration of how not all humanity are equal.

They're not on the same playing field. They're not all identical in their regard to a receptivity to the gospel. Well, when we come back from the break, we're going to go to our first break right now.

We're going to get more into the exact subject that we had scheduled for today, and that is a local church's mission to rescue unborn children from infanticide. If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question regarding that topic, and we already have several people waiting to have their questions asked and answered by you, Joe.

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Joe, before I go to any of the questions that are waiting to be answered by you, tell us how the Bread of Life Fellowship got involved in outreach ministry to abortion clinics.

Yeah, that's really a horrible way to describe them. They're infanticide mills. Yeah, exactly. We spent five years going in there to murder, to shine a light on the light.

And what have been the reactions from women going into the abortion centers, and also the reaction of those that are employed there?

This is a clinic that is right on the scene hearing and seeing our signs or hearing us preach. So from the moment that we heard the reaction, most...

Praise God.

Oh, yeah. ...driving up that road. Hundreds, thousands... But that, indeed, innocent blood inside of those walls.

Yeah, isn't it interesting how those that are in favor of infanticide, either those that are the doctors murdering these unborn babies, or the women who are either having their babies murdered, or the feminists and liberals and leftists who are in favor of their freedom, alleged freedom to do that, isn't it interesting how they very rarely will use terms like abortion?

They will say, I believe in a woman's right to choose. Well, choose what? Well, why don't you finish the sentence? And they don't call, typically, those trying to rescue those unborn babies, they typically don't refer to them as...

And they don't refer to them as pro-life, they refer to them as anti-abortion or anti-choice even more frequently, because it obviously will make it look like you are prehistoric Neanderthal chauvinists who are trying to rob women of making personal choices in their lives.

But there's a difference between a woman having choices that she has the freedom to make, and her taking it upon herself to remove the freedom of choice from a child within her womb.

By having it murdered. Right. Amen. And well, I'm going to take a question from a first-time.

Questioner, Christina in Asante, Minnesota, I'm assuming that's how you pronounce that city, I've never even heard of it before. It's either Asante or Asante, I'm assuming. Christina says, my question for Dr. Losardo is, do you think abortion is still legal in our country because the majority of churches in our nation do not actually believe that abortion is murder?

Since women having these abortions are not murderers, quote-quote, according to most churches, and these churches are training and teaching the flock, what is at the forefront, which is at the forefront of pro-life, of the pro-life movement, the pro-life movement is not seeking to criminalize abortion, so how can we expect to end abortion if it is not actually a crime?

Very good question, and that is, as I said, Christina in Asante, Minnesota. Yeah,.

One church, Psalm 139, where David says, you formed me in my inward part, you knitted me hidden from you when I was being made, written every one of them that my God, on the Baptist, that a child is...

And isn't the primary duty of the church, although.

When we are providentially given rights to vote and we have politicians raise up, or rise up, in our midst, we should use every avenue of legality available to us to bring an end to abortion, but isn't the primary goal, the primary function of the church to evangelize so that hearts are changed and that those that are new creations in Christ would then help us to basically transform the society?

I know that there are many Christians that are opposed to that notion that we are here to present the gospel to individuals, that they may be saved, but at the same time it is a natural byproduct. If a society is more and more heavily populated by new creatures in Christ, there will certainly be less babies being murdered in abortion mills and other things going on.

Absolutely, and that's really why we're out.

There. We often will say that that child grow up... Yeah, in fact, there is hope for that.

Occurring. I mean, this was quite a number of years ago. This was in the 1980s, I believe it was, but in Lindenhurst, Long Island, I'm sure you're familiar with that, Joe, since you're a native Long Islander.

Yeah. There was an abortion clinic right on the corner of South Wellwood Avenue and I can't remember the corner street right now. It's the same corner street that the Evangelical Church of God is on, but anyway, it's escaped my mind.

I think it might be West High Street or something like that, I can't remember, but there was an abortion clinic there and because of the fact of numerous pro-life activists picketing that place, it eventually shut down.

Praise God. So that was back in the 1980s. I say that just to give hope to those who think that they are involved in a hopeless cause.

Amen. We have a listener in San Jose, California, Daniel, who says,.

Whoops, Daniel, who says, thank you for discussing this very important and tragic topic. Can you explain the severity of the abortion rate within the United States of America in order for the church to know how large of an opponent the church is facing?

Also, can you explain some of the steps that individual Christians as well as local churches could take so we can stand up against those in favor of abortion while still lovingly declaring the gospel?

Amen. Yeah, here's the irony, to be where nine individuals, nine unelected individuals made this decision to legalize abortion. Yeah, in fact, I want to pick up right where we left off there.

Because that's a very interesting point because a lot of people may be unaware of how Planned Parenthood even began and what ideology was inherent to the founder, Margaret Sanger. A lot of people, when I tell them these things, they are utterly shocked because they had no idea.

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Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, and the Pro-Life Response

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And currently, he is the pastor at Bread of Life Fellowship of Wayne, New Jersey, which is a Reformed Baptist congregation. And we are discussing a local church's mission to rescue unborn children from infanticide.

And our email address, if you have a question, is chrisarenzen at gmail .com. C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. And Dr. Lissardo, before we go on to any other questions from our listeners, we, just before the break, we're talking about how the majority of women having their unborn babies murdered are those within those most stricken with poverty, those who are of the African American race primarily.

I mean, I hate using that term because of the fact that I believe we have only one race, the human race. But so people understand what I'm talking about in our common day vernacular. Those that are black are more prone to have abortions.

And those babies, those unborn babies who are black are much more prone to be the victims of those abortions. And that's largely due to the brainwashing of society by white liberals primarily. And I was just about to mention before the break that there is a DVD that I think everyone listening or know everyone should have a copy of.

It's called MAFA 21, M is in Michael, A, A, F is in Frank, A, 21. You can go to mafa21 .com to find out more about it. That's M is in Michael, A, A, F is in Frank, A, 21 .com. And that documents the rise of Planned Parenthood, which was founded by Margaret Sanger, a racist whose agenda it was to basically rid the earth of, well, especially the United States, of those within the black race and other minorities, which she viewed as nothing more than a burden upon society and a drain on our resources rather than contributors to our society.