August 14, 2017 Show with Joseph LoSardo on “A Local Church’s Mission to Rescue Unborn Children from Infanticide”

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And I am so delighted to have back on the program an old friend of mine who hasn't been on

Iron Sharpens Iron radio for quite some time.

His name is Dr. Joseph Losardo and he's a former elder in a very large charismatic messianic

congregation in New Jersey who earned his PhD in molecular biology of cancer at

Albert Einstein College of Medicine in the Bronx, New York, where he remained as a researcher

until answering the call to ministry and planting a Reformed Baptist congregation known as

Bread of Life Fellowship of Wayne, New Jersey.

And today, Dr. Losardo is going to be addressing with us a local church's mission to rescue unborn children

from infanticide.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome back to Iron Sharpens Iron radio, Dr. Joseph

Losardo.

It's great to have you on the program again, Joe.

Oh, it's great to be here, Chris.

Yes, it's been much too long.

And in studio with me is my co -host, the Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Hello, it's good to be here again.

And I'm going to give our listeners our email address right away in the event that they have any

questions for Dr. Joe Losardo.

It is chrisarnson at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z

-E -N at gmail .com.

Please give us at least your first name, your city and state and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

And please only remain anonymous if it's about a personal and private matter.

I can see this topic easily lending itself to people having personal and private questions

such as those perhaps who are considering having an abortion, or those who have already had

an abortion or more than one abortions and are totally riddled with guilt

over it.

Or there could be a host of issues that are involved in this.

Perhaps your church is involved in a pro -life outreach and you have to remain

silent for the time being about it publicly because of the fact that you are being sued or something

like that.

We understand that those would be reasons to remain anonymous, but if it's not a personal and private matter, please give us at least your first name, city

and state, and country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Well, first of all, Jo, before we even get into the main subject at hand,

I want you to tell our listeners something about your own personal conversion

to Christ, the religion of your youth, if any, and what circumstances our Lord

providentially brought about in your life that drew you to himself, and then how you went from being an elder

in a very prominent, charismatic, messianic congregation in New Jersey to becoming a Reformed

Baptist, which is quite a leap, and then planting the Bread of

Life Fellowship of Wayne, New Jersey.

So start off with a summary,.

If

you could, of

your

testimony of

salvation.

Sure.

He had received the Lord while I was away.

Is this Chris?

Yes, that's Chris, yes.

He's two years younger, and I saw the change

in his life.

He shared me, and the Lord worked on my heart, showed me my need for

him, for repentance and faith.

I didn't know it at the time, doing

the work, but

he

used

that.

Needing

to

move to

New Jersey, I started

last year attending a large

messianic congregation that had a radio ministry,

joining that church, and the ministry in the

messianic congregation, the pastor,.

Things like that.

And the pastor, who is still there, to my knowledge, is a published author, and

has even been interviewed on major television networks involving his published

works.

Yes,

394, somewhere around there.

Yeah, they had a program on the station that I worked for.

Back

then, WMCA

and

WWDJ.

Yes, I'm

on the

job.

One

day

I

had

a

studying

leave

for that reason, but there were a lot of

other things.

Now can you tell us how you became introduced to the Doctrines of Sovereign

Grace?

You know there's hardly any Calvinists in the church when he's.

Called Bill the Calvinist.

Are you there, Joe?

Yes, I'm here.

Okay, sorry if my laughter deafened.

You.

Yeah,

no,

he's full.

Excellent

folks.

Jay

Adams,

our model.

Yeah,

and

one

thing

that I.

Remember from the radio program hosted by that congregation when I was working for

WMCA and 970 DJ in New Jersey, was that they believed

in new extra -biblical revelation.

Yeah, divine revelation outside of the scripture.

So I'm sure that became, when you became convinced of the Doctrines of Grace, there was probably something in that regard that

got you somewhat uncomfortable,.

To say the least, remaining

there.

Well, yeah.

And one thing I think we should make it clear,.

Because people listening might think that there's some kind of polar opposite phenomenon

with Calvinism and a love for the Jews and a passion to reach out to

them with the gospel.

People might even be surprised that Chosen People Ministries, a major

messianic ministry in New York City, was actually founded

through the outreach of Presbyterian evangelists in the 19th century.

And even Mitch Glazer, their current president, is a five -point Calvinist, although he is a

dispensationalist.

He is a thoroughgoing Calvinist, and I don't know if he still is, but he was for many years a member of a

Presbyterian church.

Oh, that's interesting.

So these things are not polar opposite.

In fact, every church that loves the Doctrines of Sovereign Grace should

also have a love and a passion to be bringing the gospel to the Jewish

people, because they know that God has an elect from out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation.

And so there should be a burden there.

And it is odd, isn't it, Joe, that a Jew could come to Christ

and reject unconditional election because of the fact that even in the Old

Covenant, God had a peculiar people that he chose from

out of the masses of humanity, not because of anything good within them,

not because of any foreseen actions or decisions on their

part, but just purely out of his love for a unique group of people that were

unlovely, that did nothing and had nothing within them to deserve or warrant his love.

They demonstrated disobedience throughout the entirety of the Old Testament and wound up crying out for

the death of God's only son.

But he still at that time, in that dispensation of time, God

had chosen the nation of Israel out from among the other pagan

nations.

And yet when a Jew comes to Christ, there are a minority who are believers in the Doctrines of

Sovereign Grace, but it's just that, it's a minority.

It seems like the overwhelming majority reject the Doctrines of Sovereign Grace, and some of

them are vehemently anti -Reformed or anti -Calvinist.

It really is odd, isn't it?

Yeah, it is.

It is

one thing that the Old Testament

teaches.

Is it a people and passed over a people?

Maybe

that's

correctly

working the same way.

It ought to be very easy for a Jewish person.

And just out of curiosity, I mean no disrespect to my charismatic and

Pentecostal friends listening.

I have many brothers in Christ who are charismatic and Pentecostal, but I am not myself.

And I believe you also, when you became Reformed, you did abandon

the concept of.

Modern -day sign gifts and the charismatic movement

attached

to that.

So your church.

Then took it that far, because not all charismatics take the sign gifts as a necessary sign

of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

The mainline Pentecostal denominations do, but your church actually agreed with the

mainline Pentecostals on that.

Okay, okay.

Looking, opening up the Bible, pointing and finding the verse, you know, and then, you know, that means

something.

That kind of, and that,

yeah, gift, he's

sovereign,

he can do whatever.

Well, you have come to a place where you and your congregation

over there at Bread of Life Fellowship of Wayne, New Jersey, started this

work.

Tell our listeners something specifically about Bread of Life Fellowship.

Three on

Sunday morning,

and we love

the

Word

of

God.

The London

Baptists

were

preaching

through.

I'm presently in a series

of a number

of baptisms, many...

Yeah, I just had the privilege to preach on a

text in Matthew, when I was asked by the congregation where I'm a member to

preach again.

This was my, I believe, my third time.

I preached at the local Bethesda Mission in Harrisburg,

Pennsylvania, which is basically a Christian homeless shelter for men and

a ministry for addicts of all kinds and so on,

men who have hit rock bottom and that kind of a thing.

Yeah.

And I have a heart for that because I had gone through not only a long period of

time before my conversion, enslaved to drunkenness, but then a period of tragic

backsliding that I was rescued out of and went to a ministry very similar

to that in North Carolina, Hebron Colony Ministry, so I have a heart for that.

But I preached on the Parable of the Wedding Banquet, and that is quite a

remarkable passage of Scripture because of the fact that it really is a summary of the entire

history of redemption from the Old Testament to the New, and how Christ's

enemies, or those that claim to be the children of God, persecuted not only the

Old Testament saints and prophets, but all the way up through the New Testament with not only the persecution of

the apostles, John the Baptist and the apostles, but obviously the

persecution and crucifixion of Christ himself.

But quite a remarkable passage, and I'm sure you're going to enjoy, if you haven't

already hit that one in your series, I'm sure you're going to enjoy.

Preaching through

that.

Yeah, well, that

passage of

the sower

and

the

seed

is so clearly revealing.

That when we evangelize, there is something different about

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and flourish and grow, or wither and die.

And it's such a clear example and demonstration of how not all

humanity are equal.

They're not on the same playing field.

They're not all identical in their regard to a receptivity to the gospel.

Well, when we come back from the break, we're going to go to our first break right now.

We're going to get more into the exact subject that we had scheduled for today,

and that is a local church's mission to rescue unborn children from infanticide.

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Joe, before I go to any of the questions that are waiting to be answered by you,

tell us how the Bread of Life Fellowship got involved in outreach

ministry to abortion clinics.

Yeah,

that's

really a horrible way to describe them.

They're infanticide mills.

Yeah,

exactly.

We spent

five years

going in there to murder,

to

shine a

light

on the

light.

And what have been the reactions from women going into the

abortion centers, and also the reaction of those that are employed there?

This is a

clinic that is

right on the

scene

hearing and

seeing our signs

or hearing us preach.

So

from the moment

that

we heard the

reaction,

most...

Praise God.

Oh,

yeah.

...driving up that

road.

Hundreds,

thousands...

But that, indeed, innocent blood inside of those walls.

Yeah, isn't it interesting how those that are in

favor of infanticide, either those that are the doctors

murdering these unborn babies, or the women who are either having their babies murdered,

or the feminists and liberals and leftists who are in favor of their freedom,

alleged freedom to do that, isn't it interesting how they very rarely will use terms like

abortion?

They will say, I believe in a woman's right to choose.

Well, choose what?

Well, why don't you finish the sentence?

And they don't call, typically, those trying to rescue those

unborn babies, they typically don't refer to them as...

And they don't refer to them as pro -life, they refer to them as anti -abortion or anti -choice

even more frequently, because it obviously will make it look like you are

prehistoric Neanderthal chauvinists who are trying to rob

women of making personal choices in their lives.

But there's a difference between a woman having choices that she has the freedom to make,

and her taking it upon herself to remove the freedom of choice from a child

within her womb.

By

having

it

murdered.

Right.

Amen.

And

well,

I'm

going

to take a

question

from a

first -time.

Questioner, Christina in Asante, Minnesota, I'm assuming that's how you pronounce that city,

I've never even heard of it before.

It's either Asante or Asante, I'm assuming.

Christina says, my question for Dr. Losardo is, do you think abortion is still legal in our country

because the majority of churches in our nation do not actually believe that abortion is murder?

Since women having these abortions are not murderers, quote -quote, according to most churches, and

these churches are training and teaching the flock, what is at the forefront,

which is at the forefront of pro -life, of the pro -life movement, the pro -life movement is

not seeking to criminalize abortion, so how can we expect to end abortion if it is not

actually a crime?

Very good question, and that is, as I said, Christina in Asante, Minnesota.

Yeah,.

One

church, Psalm

139, where David says, you formed me in my inward

part, you

knitted me

hidden from you when I was being made,

written

every one of

them

that

my God,

on

the

Baptist,

that a child

is...

And

isn't

the

primary duty of the church, although.

When we are providentially given rights to vote and we have

politicians raise up, or rise up, in our midst,

we should use every avenue of legality available to us to bring an end to

abortion, but isn't the primary goal, the primary function of the church to evangelize so that hearts

are changed and that those that are new creations in Christ would then

help us to basically transform the society?

I know that there are many Christians that are opposed to that notion that we are

here to present the gospel to individuals, that they may be saved, but at the same

time it is a natural byproduct.

If a society is more and more heavily populated by new creatures in Christ,

there will certainly be less babies being murdered in abortion mills and other things going on.

Absolutely, and that's really why we're out.

There.

We

often

will

say

that

that

child grow up...

Yeah, in

fact,

there is

hope for that.

Occurring.

I mean, this was quite a number of years ago.

This was in the 1980s, I believe it was, but in

Lindenhurst, Long Island, I'm sure you're familiar with that, Joe, since you're a native Long Islander.

Yeah.

There was an abortion clinic right on the corner of

South Wellwood Avenue and I can't remember the corner street right now.

It's the same corner street that the Evangelical Church of God is on, but anyway, it's

escaped my mind.

I think it might be West High Street or something like that, I can't remember, but

there was an abortion clinic there and because of the fact of numerous

pro -life activists picketing that place, it eventually shut down.

Praise God.

So that was back in the 1980s.

I say that just to give hope to those who think that they are involved in a hopeless cause.

Amen.

We have a

listener

in

San

Jose,

California, Daniel, who says,.

Whoops, Daniel, who says, thank you for discussing this very important and tragic topic.

Can you explain the severity of the abortion rate within the United States of America in order for

the church to know how large of an opponent the church is facing?

Also, can you explain some of the steps that individual Christians as well as local

churches could take so we can stand up against those in favor of abortion while

still lovingly declaring the gospel?

Amen.

Yeah,

here's the

irony,

to

be

where

nine

individuals, nine unelected individuals

made

this

decision to

legalize

abortion.

Yeah,

in fact, I

want

to pick

up

right

where

we left off

there.

Because that's a very interesting point because a lot of people may be unaware of

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was inherent to the founder, Margaret Sanger.

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Now, we are returning to our discussion with Dr. Joseph Lissardo, former

elder in a large charismatic Messianic congregation in New Jersey who earned his Ph .D. in molecular biology of

cancer at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in the Bronx, New York.

And currently, he is the pastor at Bread of Life Fellowship of Wayne, New Jersey, which is a

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And we are discussing a local church's mission to rescue unborn children from infanticide.

And our email address, if you have a question, is chrisarenzen at gmail .com.

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And Dr. Lissardo, before we go on to any other questions from our listeners,

we, just before the break, we're talking about how the majority of women

having their unborn babies murdered are those within those most

stricken with poverty, those who are of the African American race

primarily.

I mean, I hate using that term because of the fact that I believe we have only one race, the human race.

But so people understand what I'm talking about in our common day vernacular.

Those that are black are more prone to have abortions.

And those babies, those unborn babies who are black are much more prone to be

the victims of those abortions.

And that's largely due to the brainwashing of society by white liberals primarily.

And I was just about to mention before the break that

there is a DVD that I think everyone listening or know everyone should have a copy of.

It's called MAFA 21, M is in Michael, A, A, F is in Frank, A, 21.

You can go to mafa21 .com to find out more about it.

That's M is in Michael, A, A, F is in Frank, A, 21 .com.

And that documents the rise of Planned Parenthood, which

was founded by Margaret Sanger, a racist whose agenda it was

to basically rid the earth of, well, especially the United States,

of those within the black race and other minorities, which she viewed as nothing more than a

burden upon society and a drain on our resources rather than

contributors to our society.

She had Nazis writing for her magazine prior to World War II.

I mean, literal members of the Third Reich.

She spoke at Ku Klux Klan rallies.

People are jumping up and down, screaming about Donald Trump not making a

clear denunciation of the Klan and other white

supremacist groups.

But Margaret Sanger was openly in favor of this

ideology.

And yet liberals today view her as a hero of women's rights.

Hillary Clinton was thrilled and honored to receive the Margaret Sanger Award from

Planned Parenthood.

And it's amazing, utterly amazing that more is not said

on this issue, especially by conservatives.

Wouldn't you agree that this is utterly amazing that you don't hear this drumbeat every day on Fox News and other places?

Because many people are still.

Totally unaware of these facts.

Yeah, yeah, it's terribly...

To be

a liberal, I mean,

I think this

will open your mouth

to the poor and needy.

Well, who are the

most poor and who are the most needy?

Who are the ones who are most destitute, who are being called to open up our mouths, to be a

voice to the voiceless?

I mean, a true liberal ought to be pro -life.

That's the real irony of it.

And that's really what I try to do, is challenge liberals in opening up their mind to what they're doing.

Are they standing up for the weakest in society?

Yes, and I think the.

Most despicable people out there who are

radically in favor of the murder of unborn children in the womb

are those that say, I am personally opposed to abortion because of

my religious convictions or any other reason, but I do not

believe that I have the right to impose my personal

views upon women in regard to this.

This is a matter between her, her doctor, and her god.

Now, I think that is the most wretched position that you could have.

It makes my skin crawl when I hear people say it, because in that specific instance, you have

people who know it is murder, and yet they're saying, but I'm not going to impose

my views against the murder of unborn children on pregnant women.

If they want to murder their babies, the humans that they're carrying within their womb,

that should be their right to murder those children.

Of course, they'd never say it that way, but that's what they are in fact stating in other words.

Am I right?

Yes.

Yeah, so when you hear politicians make that claim, they're really just trying to appease people on both sides of

the issue, which makes it more despicable.

Exactly.

Take it down, you realize, the way you just

said.

Yeah, I mean,

the liberals would not.

Give a pass to anyone saying in the 19th century, well, I might be personally

opposed to slavery, but I'm not going to make a problem for my neighbor who has

500 slaves on his plantation.

That's his right to do that.

That's his personal choice.

So, you know, I personally don't like it, but I'm not going to

put an end to his freedom to have those slaves.

I mean, there's no difference.

In fact, you cannot help but draw the conclusion if you believe that babies in the womb are actual

human beings, that the murder of those babies is even far worse a crime against

humanity than.

Even slavery was, as evil as slavery was.

Amen.

We have

a listener from,

let's see,.

White Plains, New York, RJ in White Plains, New York, who says, I'm not

asking this question out of fear of the ramifications, but just for educational

purposes.

What legal risks do churches and Christian individuals face when they

are picketing abortion clinics or trying to rescue those babies from being murdered when they

approach women entering and exiting those institutions?

Now, that reminds me, RJ's question reminds me also, and perhaps you could combine

answering his question with a case that you're aware of.

We will remain as anonymous as you believe that we need to in this regard, or I

should say we will allow the participants to remain anonymous is what I mean, as much as you think is

necessary.

But there is a church facing legal persecution

for their work that is really identical to what you're doing.

If you could answer RJ's question and then follow up with what I was just speaking.

About.

Yeah,

the

body in

the

past.

While

you're

looking,

I'm going

to

announce

our email

address.

Again.

It's ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail

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Dr. Lasardo, did you find it?

Yeah,

yeah, this is it.

That's like an evangelism slogan,.

Like, where will you spend eternity if you die?

Don't you realize that?

Now,

where

in

the

legal

procedure

is this

church

right

now

in

regard

to

this

lawsuit

they're

facing?

People who are

named in the

case are

not...

Yes, yes, I

know exactly what...

Well,.

Everybody knows who listens to my program that the congregation is Grace Reform Baptist Church of Long Island,

and I've had my former pastor there on my show, in fact, even not

long ago, speaking about one of the books that he has written.

In fact, the last book was on the theodicy, the defense of the goodness of God in

light of an evil world filled with suffering.

But that wasn't the title, that was the theme of the book.

But yeah, I'm sure that he would not mind me mentioning that since everybody who listens regularly to my

show knows that church.

Knows that, yeah.

I mean, there's a number of different people.

There are some members from our church

named in

this.

You could find it right on Attorney General Eric...

Yes, using tactics no different than those used by liberals throughout history,

at times who were involved in noble causes like the equality of all men

and women regardless of race.

But these are tactics that the liberals championed

in decades past, and yet now when those involved in

those using those same tactics are pro -life, they have become villains and.

Monsters.

Isn't

that interesting?

Yeah. I saw at least one of

those videos.

Yeah.

Absolutely ridiculous.

Just out of curiosity, has the ACLU actually ever come to the defense

of pro -life groups, to your knowledge?

Because they'll come to the defense, even though they're liberals and leftists, they'll come to the defense

of Klansmen and Nazis, but for some reason conservative.

Christians are usually not their clients.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

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This is Chris Sarnes, and if you just tuned in to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, our guest today for the full two hours

with about 25 minutes to go is Dr. Joseph Lissardo, pastor of Bread of Life Fellowship of Wayne,

New Jersey.

We are addressing a local church's mission to rescue unborn children from infanticide.

If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own, now is the time to do it because we're rapidly running out of time, and our

email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, c -h -r -i -s -a -r -n -z -e -n at

gmail .com, and we have a listener in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Bibi,

who asks, can you give our listeners your estimation of the extreme value of

visual aids in the fight against abortion?

Very good question, and I assume Bibi is referring to vivid,

graphic, full -color photographs of babies that have been murdered in the womb and have been

dismembered, things that are shocking for all of us who we very often might

see even our brothers in Christ, brothers and sisters in Christ, recoil in disgust, and some of them even get

angry with us, even though they might be pro -life, because they'll say, oh, that's not necessary, is

it?

But when I think about how the world was convinced of the Holocaust,

the way that the world primarily was convinced that Hitler did indeed have Jews and

others round up in consecration camps, I can't even say the word,

where they were horribly mistreated, starved, and

thrown into enormous pits, their corpses thrown into enormous pits by the thousands,

and just treated in inhuman ways.

The way that they discovered that this was a reality was through film, seeing it with your own eyes.

But if you could comment on that.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, well,

it's

hard

to

imagine

how

you

can

sensationalize the murder of unborn children.

In the millions, because sensationalizing usually means that you're exaggerating the importance of

something.

You could hardly exaggerate the importance of this.

Yeah, right.

Well, I think for the very reasons that I stated, that the most

effective way that humanity became aware of the truth of the Holocaust was through

seeing it with their own eyes.

And it's interesting, a very good friend of mine who led me

to Christ 30 years ago, she went to a t -shirt company

to have t -shirts made that had a beautiful picture of an unborn baby in the womb

on the front of the t -shirt.

And it said life in her design.

And on the back of the t -shirt, it had a murdered child, a

photograph that she wanted to put on there, an actual photograph of a murdered unborn baby,

and murder on the back.

And the t -shirt company that she first went to, she's still on a mission to get this done,

the t -shirt company would refuse to do it because the graphic artist could not even look at the pictures.

Now, I don't know if this woman was for or against abortion, but if she is against abortion, you

have to wonder why?

Why can't you look at that?

Because this is most often referred to as a routine surgery or

operation.

And if this was just the removal of a kidney or something like

that, I wouldn't recoil in horror seeing

a picture of a kidney or a tumor or whatever else might be

removed from someone's body in a surgery.

And I know that my listeners may get tired of me saying this because I've repeated

it many times, but I don't understand why television networks like Fox News,

who are claiming to be conservative and pro -life in the majority, why aren't they airing

films of abortions at least once a month, or especially

during an election cycle, like during a primary race or even

any other election race?

If you want people to vote intelligently with an education, why not show

a film of an abortion?

You could show them at different stages.

You could show them in the earlier stages all the way up through the late -term abortions.

Why don't people show these?

And the liberals have no excuse at all because they are saying that

this is not a murder.

This is not anything that is anything other than a surgery or a medical

procedure.

I can remember when Pat Buchanan was running for president on

the Reform Party ticket back in the 90s.

He was a guest on a program, and I called in the radio program, and I asked

Pat Buchanan the very thing that I am wondering about now.

I said, Pat, why aren't there more conservatives showing films of abortions

or demanding that they be shown on television, on major networks, when they're an election

going on?

And Pat Buchanan, the poster boy for conservativism and poster boy allegedly for pro -life, he

said, oh, we wouldn't want to do that.

And I said, why?

Well, that would be like televising a gruesome execution.

I said, that's my point.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But thank you, BB, for providing that excellent question.

In fact, we didn't really, now that I'm looking back at Daniel's question from San

Jose, California, his last question that I don't think that we fully addressed, he said, can you

explain some of the steps that individual Christians, as well as local churches, could take so we could stand

up against those in favor of abortion?

Can you give like a guide, a summary of a guide on how you and the Bread of Life

Fellowship did.

This?

And it's

really

very simple.

Even if that's

the case, you

find

the

history.

We have CJ from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, who says, do you have any words of

comfort to women who have had abortions and have come to repentance over the issue,

but are haunted by the sin that they have committed perhaps multiple times, meaning the murder of their

unborn child.

Or

children?

Just

to warn them, yeah,

for

any sin, the forgiveness,

that forgiveness is complete.

When Jesus bowed His head and said, it

is finished, that individual who believed

in Him, and

we can rest, I

know of

no other comfort.

Amen.

And I

remember

as a

teenager,

are you

there,

Joe?

Yeah.

Okay, I heard something that sounded like a disconnect there.

I remember as a teenager, one of my friends had impregnated a young lady

on several occasions, and she had abortions on all of the

initial occasions, the initial of several pregnancies.

She had those babies murdered.

Of course, in her mind, that's not what she was doing, but even through pressure

of my friend, who was the biological father of those babies,

and the reason that she had the child during the

last pregnancy that she had while still seeing this young man who was my friend,

she had it because the doctor said, if you have another abortion, you may never be able to conceive a

child again in your life.

Now, it's interesting that this kind of thing isn't well -known to women, that

you're not only murdering a child in the womb, but women are being put at great

risk regarding their own capacity to

reproduce, to procreate, and it's ironic that the pro

-abortion or pro -infanticide movement goes under the guise of women's

reproductive rights.

Many of these women are being robbed of their reproductive abilities through abortion.

Have you heard anything about those statistics at all?

No, no, I don't know specifics on that,.

But they're

not

showing

free

sonograms to change their

minds.

You

know,

one

of

the.

Areas where even some in the pro -life movement or in the

periphery of the pro -life movement cave in to the so -called pro -choicers

is that they will say, well, I'm against abortion unless it involves rape, incest,

or the jeopardy of the life of the mother.

If you could, as a Christian, and as a Christian minister, respond to that or those

arguments.

Yeah, if you allow it.

For

anything,

then

you're

caving in

on the

idea that

this is

not

a human being.

And that's really where it needs to be argued at.

Even politically, laws,

I believe, some legislation

to define life, to define the beginning of

the amendment,

while we could certainly feel for the

individual and

minister

to that.

Now, in regard to a woman's life being at risk, it's interesting how they.

Used to say that.

Now they have devolved into making it

merely the health of the woman.

Now, that could mean almost anything.

That could mean that she's depressed post

delivery, or she gains too much weight, or she whatever.

They have made the word meaningless in regard to the risk.

But when you really, if you're talking about conservative Christians talking to each other, when it comes

to a woman's life really being at risk, how do you as a minister

respond to that?

Because I have heard that an abortion will not

do anything to further enhance the safety of a pregnant woman.

And that there are ways, even if the odds

of the child surviving are very minimal to none, to at least

evoke a premature delivery or something, which where the intention is not to murder the

baby.

That's not the intention.

The intention is to save the woman's life because there is truly a medical

problem that may cause the mother's death.

But the butchering of a baby in her womb is not any kind

of a procedure that would ensure or even

improve the risks of her surviving.

Exactly.

And their

life

wasn't

medically.

Young ladies now,

technology now can

send the

mothers.

Well, I'd like you to have about three minutes to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts.

And

minds of

our listeners

today

regarding our

subject.

I

did

not

know this.

They need

us to

be

out on

the

show.

Let's be who we

are.

I

know

of the

drug

houses

of

speak

up and

stand

up

and do whatever

we can.

Life.

Well, I know that your website is B .O .L. fellowship .org.

That's B .O .L.,.

Which stands for Bread of Life.

B .O .L. fellowship .org.

Any other contact information that.

You care to give?

Sure.

Yes.

Our toll free number is

B .R

.E. in the New York area.

We'd love to see

you come out and

visit us in your area.

Well, thank you,

Dr.

Joe.

We'll start off.

You could hold on the line because I want to schedule you for another interview in the future.

So if you could hold on for a minute.

Sure.

And I want everybody I want to thank everybody who listened today, especially those who wrote in

those of you who are still too intimidated to ask a question of Dr. Losardo.

I hope that you reach out to him on your own time through email or by phone.

And I thank especially those who took the time to write in questions today.

And I thank Dr. Losardo, obviously, for being my guest and also Reverend Buzz Taylor for

being my co -host who had to leave early.

But I hope that you all always remember that includes all of you who have been involved in

abortions, whether it is your own child or perhaps the

child of or the children of others that you helped encourage women to

murder, or perhaps you are an abortionist yourself.

Perhaps you're a doctor that has performed this horrible crime.

Well, I want you to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far

greater savior than you are a sinner.