July 25, 2016 Show with E. Calvin Beisner on “More Debunking Global Warming Hysteria”

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Afternoon. Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. And the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming. This is Chris Sarnes and your host of iron sharpens iron wishing you all a happy Monday on the 25th day of July 2016 and today before we even introduce our guest in our topic I just wanted to offer my condolences to the family of Tim LaHaye the world-renowned Dispensationalist author who went home to glory this morning at the age of 90 after suffering a stroke so obviously, although I am a Theologically Reformed Christian and a Calvinist.

I had a lot of differences on theology and eschatology with Dr. Tim LaHaye, but he was indeed a brother in Christ Who fought on the same side as those of us in the reformed camp on many other issues and I hope that his family is comforted knowing that he will be with eternity in Christ and Today we have as our guest returning as our guest a dr. Calvin Beisner.

He is the founder and national spokesman for the corn Cornwall Alliance for the stewardship of creation and we are continuing our discussion that we left off with a number of weeks ago on debunking global warming hysteria, and we've got a whole bunch of Issues under that heading to be discussed very shortly, but it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio dr. E Calvin Beisner.

Yeah, it's always a pleasure to have you on and Judging from the reaction. I've been getting from a lot of my listeners after I started publicizing this there's a lot of other people who are Enthusiastic about your return to the program as well.

And as I always do even though we've already had you explain the Cornwall Cornwall Alliance There are always people listening for the very first time. It seems an iron sharpens iron, especially since our ad and world magazine came out and So if you could let our listeners know about the Cornwall Alliance.

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For dr. E. Calvin Beisner on global warming or climate change hysteria. Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com Chris Arnzen at gmail .com at CH RAS Arn z n at gmail .com and please include at least your first name.

Your city and state and your country of residence. If you live outside of the USA a dr. Beisner. You are not a climate scientist yourself. So what gives you confidence to speak about climate change at all?

I'm an interdisciplinarian in philosophy and I do try to read very very widely. I've read about 50 some book climate change bonds to very worn against completing climate scientists. Dr Roy W Spencer who is a senior fellow of the current with Cornwall Alliance in climatology at the aim leader on a Source of global data on this reliable.

So five years ago four years ago, perhaps. He said Cal, you know, you probably know all the scientific arguments on global warming. You know, wow, you read all the different but frankly, I don't see scholars about yeah.

You know, it might be good right off the bat to bring up something that we brought up last time. Just so our listeners who may be skeptical about things that you're saying especially since you've admitted that you're not a climate scientist yourself.

And that kind of a thing did not. The founder of Greenpeace. Resigned from Greenpeace because he thinks or believes without question that the the hype of global warming Alarmists is all based on lies.

Well, that wasn't the actual reason for his resignation from Greenpeace. He resigned from Greenpeace. But I believe it was the late 19 and that was because he recognized formed itself from the but he also Recognized that it was on all sorts of different.

He was the only PhD Environmental scientists involved in slightly left. But in ensuing years as he studied the climate change issue He became thoroughly of carbon dioxide do indeed contribute some warming to the atmosphere now.

You know in the June issue of World Commerce Report.

You have an article climate science energy policy poverty and Christian faith. How do they connect? In that article you sought to make the point that what we think about human induced climate change and how we respond to it Have important ethical implications, especially regarding the poor.

Can you briefly explain how you tie all those things together?

I.

Kind of hinted at it and what I just now said about Patrick Moore. And the only way to Global warming is to reduce our use of poverty. Far away. Just tell us but yeah.

Isn't it ironic that here you are the conservative Christian on my show and you are the one that seems to have a More intelligent and logical and realistic solution to poverty than all the liberals who claim That they are the champions for the rights and well-being of the poor and we in the conservative wing of everything Including Christianity.

We are just totally neglectful or uncaring about the poor.

Yeah, it's one of those don't always for a long time that people on the left. But what economic history free markets and even to what we see is that any qualities of income and wealth. Particularly in the beating world taxation shrunk.

Yeah, the global warming alarmists are in their own way in their desire to ban fossil fuel. They are. They are in their own way, just like the Pharisees were. They the taping out the gnats and swallowing the camels.

If you will, they're straining out the gnats and swallowing the camels.

Yeah, that is a pretty wealthy people. They tend to be Financial elites just bring in lights and belts. With under ten thousand dollars of a year of Ender solar it makes things a lot more uncomfortable for the middle class.

Wow. In the article that I mentioned just a few minutes ago climate science energy policy. Poverty and Christian faith. How do they connect. That was in the June issue of World Commerce report? You discussed how some people use dramatically colored graphs to convey information about temperature trends.

How do those sometimes distort reality?

Well, this is one of the many different ways in which as the old saying goes Someone actually wrote a book called how to lie with just an house sister. At numbers I pointed out that anomalies in Temperature anomalies from a long-term Life things of that nature, right?

Red-handed over for us exactly the same numbers of the. And so I reproduced the graph that way Quibbling there with the numbers and quibbling their little impact of how they are presented. Because it's really that Psychological impact that makes more different warming alarmists are talking about how much we've single day.

We have a listener in Kinnelon, New Jersey Who says oh, his name is Steve from Kinnelon, New Jersey. He says the shrinkage of the rainforest that has been observed by those who have flown in space Over the fast over over the past 40 years is interesting.

It's the trees and other plants that produce the oxygen. We breathe and a significant portion of the rainforests are gone. This has to have some effect by the way. Much of the climate change science is a lot of bunk.

I do not advocate or agree with Al Gore's or other crazies out there. So if you want to comment on Steve and Kinnelon, New Jersey's.

Rainforest depletion was occurring at its highest rate highest rate. So why people area of those that it's well furthermore with less water. Because well.

Thank you Steve and we look forward to hearing from you and Keep spreading the word about the show in Kinnelon, New Jersey and everywhere else. The Lord leads you. And when we could return from the break We are going to have your reaction to theoretical astrophysicist and global warming alarmist Dr. Ethan Siegel who you bring up in your article that we mentioned and We would look forward to hearing you Rebut what he had to say and if anybody else would like to join us on the air.

We do have a few of you still waiting to have your questions asked and answered. But if anybody else would like to join us, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Which one of the current major candidates running for president more closely reflect your understanding of global warming?

I'm not libertarian politically. I might my economic understanding that is of whether a third way is the. Ethically, we can bet that aligns me with a lot of non-moral and so and then on. Frankly I don't think you're one of them.

Well, I don't think that you're alone on that.

And by the way, just to follow up I I do know more conservative Christian libertarians who are certainly pro-life. Who would not be in in favor of a woman's right to choose even though they believe in a very small government.

Well, let me repeat our email address if you'd like to join us at Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris Arnson at gmail .com. And we would love to have your questions as well. For dr. Bison, er, and before we even go into the article where you respond to dr Ethan Siegel if you could tell our listeners who exactly he is.

Well, as you mentioned he's an astrophysicist and. There's more plateau and he says the skeptics will just point at the plateaus and say see no warning. And then he says another rise the long-term. Address tween on much longer terms about 800 with the opposite intermittent.

What do climate scientists mean by the pause or the hiatus in global warming and how long has it been going on? And why is it important?

Yeah Well.

Climate skeptic. Our warming trend. We it's what I can say. Is this the scientists who specialize.

According to you. There is a very important perhaps the most important paragraph in dr. Ethan Siegel's article that discusses the temperatures appearing to be rising at a rate of 0 .40 to 0 .80 Degrees Celsius or 0 .72 to 1 .44 degrees Fahrenheit per century and.

If you could explain why this is such an important part of the article.

Well.

Be far more concerning to anyone who wants to know the truth about climate change the long-term rise in temperature steady rate Real cause twofold the second more important reason why this is such a crucial paragraph of warming that heat Celsius per century is actually Considerably less.

Yes, yes you dropped off there for about two seconds, okay, but he's can see he's conceding in his own words that the models are wrong. You're saying that's right. He's conceding.

Not as he realizes.

That.

Now when it comes to people like dr. Ethan Siegel and other scientists.

Who.

Apparently have poured a lot of their time and effort into studying this issue. Who disagree with you. Perhaps even on the hundred and eighty degree. Opposite end of the spectrum. What do you make of these people?

Are they just being bought off to do this? Are they? What's how can they be coming up with such different answers to this issue.

The answer rate deal from person to person. I think that there are people involved in this who frankly are city in true mom's the past. But the problem is a parameter, right? You're not allowed to run the model notice that it doesn't fit and then do to match the pain very inexpensive.

More and more people were educated in science not literally. They have lost the Some of the top time itself point where there's sections. Oh, yeah, that's right. People have become virtual reality. But they don't bear in the real world these are their babies and they're very proud of them and they are very making a guess and.

Then yes is right to observe whether in the laboratory or out in the out in nature.

In your Article you present some very interesting graphs by dr. John Christie of Global temperature compared with computer climate model situations. Who is dr. Christie and what do those graphs reveal?

Dr. John Christie is partner to dr. Roy. He and Roy run the committee of 79.

We're gonna go to a break right now and before I go to the break I'm gonna read a listener question that you can mull over in your mind and answer to the best of your ability when we come back and I can repeat the question as well when we come back.

But Michael a very first-time questioner in our audience. Perhaps a first-time listener as well. Michael from Statesboro, Georgia. He says to establish global warming. Wouldn't you have to show? There is a statistically significant increase in Average global temperature that this warming is not part of a global cyclical pattern that naturally occurs and that this warming is the result of anthropogenic causes and We will come back after the break.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arns. And if you just tuned us in our guests today for the full two hours with an hour to go is dr E Calvin Beisner founder of the Cornwall Alliance. We are discussing debunking Global warming hysteria.

This is a follow-up to a another program. We did on the same topic. But there's obviously a lot to cover Under the umbrella of that heading. And we didn't get to last time. If you'd like to join us on the air with your own questions.

Our email address is Chris Arns and at gmail .com. C H R I s a r n ze and a gmail .com. Give us your first name city and state and country of residence. If you live outside the USA. Going back to Michael from Statesboro, Georgia and his question he says to establish gold global warming wouldn't you have to show there is a Statistically significant increase in average global temperature that this warming is not a part of globe Global cyclical pattern that naturally occurs and that this warming is the result of Anthrogenetic, I'm sorry Anthrogenic causes.

Has any of this been done. And that's Michael's question from Statesboro, Georgia.

Makes perfect sense and indeed that's first thing is simply the climate has always changing and We are able to one small part of us long be evil warm period as well. So much. Obviously, there are natural cycles that drive these things.

Cycles in thick wind is a little more complicated for about nuclei in the atmosphere. Into the atmosphere the more clouds there are the fewer cosmic rays come in. The fewer clouds. There are filters out cosmic rain and therefore fewer clouds warmer temperatures and vice versa.

Oscillation Atlantic Multidecadal oscillation. Solar cycles run. Ocean cycles can run on patterns anywhere from about eight. So those also affect the crucial thing in terms of Michael's. Quite some people think so.

Pretty good reason a little bit. We really just.

Michael has a follow-up question. Are you familiar with?

The.

Position on global warming held by Daryl Castle who is the presidential candidate of the Constitution Party? Okay, well, I'm not either Michael so. Well, Michael, perhaps you could send that information to us and we'll show it to Calvin after the program.

Thank you very much For writing and don't forget to give me your full address for the free Bible that you're getting today. Am I. I know I know that I am probably losing my mind regardless of how you answer this question.

But I am almost certain that in the 1970s when I was a kid I was hearing about some kind of an alarm an alarmist Rhetoric about an ice age coming. Am I misremembering history here?

No, you're not.

During the 19 and by the way, the from the 1940s released. That did a good deal. Time magazine Newsweek. Others Ran. Major cover story global warming alarmist. Yeah. Well, I was certain I remembered it and.

I remember being called an idiot for saying it but then again, I'm called an idiot for a lot of things but and perhaps sometimes correctly, but but I did. I am glad that you Vindicated me because I did remember that.

Going back to your article Global warming alarmists like dr. Ethan Siegel who you were discussing earlier assert that carbon dioxide that we emit when we use fossil fuels to produce energy is the main cause of recent global warming and it's clear that the Concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been rising and so is temperature.

I mean today even is a really horrible day outside. You could barely walk 10 feet and here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania without collapsing. But but why do you reject the claim that carbon dioxide is the primary cause for the rising of temperatures?

The reason I reject that is that in the atmosphere at timescales measured in 100 long timescale found that co2 concentrations lagged on shorter times comparable and leads between a number of AG behind in temperature with the maximum positive correlation between co2 and temperature found for co2 lagging 11 to 29 and a half nine months in short and.

We do have.

A.

Listener in Perry County, Pennsylvania. Arnie. Who wants to know why is it? that those who are believers in the global warming alarmist rhetoric Gets so extremely hostile to those who disagree with their theory.

It's kind of interesting that in a day and age when one of the main battle cries of liberalism is tolerance and Yet they seem to be very intolerant of those who oppose their views on Climate change. Do you have any explanations for this?

Yeah, well, I'd start off another different people are motivated to try to be objective both sides of this who get very angry at those who disagree with them and Whichever side they're on. I think that's not not a very question.

Why did the late 19th says watermelon? Let's just.

Can you tell our listeners about this video? Showing Nobel Prize winning physicist Richard Feynman explaining what he calls the key to science.

Yeah.

Anybody can find this quickly and easily on YouTube. Just look up Richard Feynman The key to science and there and you can watch this. But it's a it's a classic Feynman Nobel saying to in general Should we guess it pair the result of the competition who made the guess or 95 above and below?

95 of the time. And then finally we absent were in 1997 to about November of in saying Look the models get beyond eight years without any warming. Then we when we got beyond two in my.

Was interesting if he would apply dr. Feynman's This Nobel Prize winning physicist. If you would apply his reasoning to Darwinian evolution you'd come up with the same kind of you know scratching your head how on earth these serious scientists could even think that this is true either.

Let alone a.

A.

Factual thing with certainty.

And you know Chris, I think ultimately dr. Bison. Are you there?

Well, dr. Bison, er, yes our atheist. Hello, dr. Bison. Could you repeat what you just said because you dropped off for about at least five seconds.

Okay. Yeah, the naturalistic worldview the atheists if I'm a scientist. Oh. Naturalism is in essence the argument that there is a table. They don't see a discussion about. Now, let's see. Which way do you want to go after this and then what speed and which way would you like me to go after this?

And at what speed. No show you off of each other by the physics of the whole thing. That's all that's happening. He really is.

By the way Michael who had the question earlier from Statesboro, Georgia I forgot to mention to you that I am actually interviewing Darrell Castle the Constitution's Party. The Constitution the Constitution Party's candidate for president of the United States.

I'm interviewing him God willing on Tuesday August 2nd from 4 to 6 p .m. So make sure you tune in to iron sharpens iron to hear Darrell Castle interviewed and We're going to our final break right now.

If you'd like to join us on the air with a question our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and Please give us your first name city and state and country of residence.

If you live outside of the USA and we do have a few people waiting to have their questions answered So we'll get to you as quickly as possible when we returned from the break. So don't go away. We'll be right back with dr. E Calvin Beisner and more.

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