Evidence for the Resurrection

The Challenge of Denying What Is Obvious

This you said statements either true or false. I gave you a statement and you said it doesn't apply. Not to that.

It's not only two fab statements would be either true or false.

So is it true that i'm talking to you? Is it true? That is true statement. I'm talking to you. Is that true? Yes. Okay, is it true that babies exist? Um.

Well, I mean how long babies exist on the skeptical babies exist.

Babies exist. Is that true or is it not the case that it's true?

I would I mean if you want to go down the you know, if you want to be very strict about it I would be skeptical about. Okay, we're done talking.

There's no sense in having a conversation with someone who who just can't even recognize the statement that babies exist. Well, you know, give me a break. We're never going to get anywhere. He's not, uh, he's not having a normal conversation.

We're just going to move on to something else. It's ridiculous. He's not interested in a conversation. No, he's just interested in arguing. I am in it. That's all I just know. You know, I just trapped him find out.

I already decided as soon as I said, you know. How's he gonna answer this when babies exist. If he gives me a hard time we're just moving on, you know, all right.

John you had some. I was gonna say he doesn't want to have a conversation. You asked him a very simple question. Do babies exist. And he has to.

Dodge that. Well, I mean if you want. If you want to be very strict.

That's true, okay, it's simple. It's simple, you know, it's a simple freaking question, come on John's a little. I'm just gonna lose it. I'm just I'm a lot tired of this. I'm tired of these games.

Oh He's saying that telling you man, I just.

All right, so there's no babies.

This is apologetics live to answer your questions your host from striving for eternity ministries.

All right, we are live apologetics live glad to have you with us and I can't help but to enjoy That clip when I hear it doesn't matter what kind of bad mood I am John losing it always puts me in a good mood.

There's no babies. Oh, that's always so good so welcome to apologetics live. We're here this is before um good friday, so, uh, we're gonna be um, talking about an important thing coming up with good friday and that is The resurrection evidence for the resurrection.

Let me bring in our Guest apologist today Alex welcome to apologetics live. This is your first time on apologetics live.

Yes. Yes it is. Thank you for having me. I'm glad to be here. That that clip was pretty funny by the way.

Oh, it was great that was uh, it was funny listening to that live like where we. And actually the best part I I was gonna play the clip after that. Maybe i'll do it next week after that's an eight I have like an eight minute clip of a guy who right right after that conversation a guy denies That that babies exist.

And then there's a guy who wants to argue he asks he asks matt a question. He says can you prove? That god exists and and matt's like what kind of proof? And he basically will just prove it and and matt goes the resurrection.

And he's like that's not scientific. And matt goes you didn't ask for scientific proof and then we go explain that science can't be used to prove god because science is the study of the natural world and God is immaterial.

So you you can't use it and and he just it was funny because he just commented that the guy saying babies don't exist was a foolish and He just went on to make himself look bad. It was like, oh. It was classic.

Uh. We'll end the show i'll play that longer clip for folks to enjoy at the end. So alex welcome on tell us some folks will will not know much about you um, you and i've recently met because there's a a group of of urban evangelists that we're part of and we're just trying to see how we can evangelize and and reach out and do projects and we've been trying to figure out how to do it in in This new age we're in where we're all stuck at home.

So, um, so I had said hey you want to come on and you jumped on it and said yeah, let's do it. So why don't you tell folks about yourself and your the ministry you got?

Yeah, uh, once again glad to be here and and You know now is the best time to to jump on programs like this whether you're a guest or watching because we got time um, although this has been an extremely busy week for me, so Um, i'm actually getting my master's right now in apologetics.

Um. So I got a couple papers do a couple tests. Um, but prior to that I trained a lot with cross-examine instructors academy with frank turrick jim warner wallace Greg, coco, sean mcdowell those guys Um did some training with rzim.

And about a couple years ago I started a conference called the proof for the truth conference here in chicago. Uh, this is our third year doing it this year. It was supposed to be at the end of this month but obviously With everything that got pushed to the end of august.

So if you go to my website, you can find information for that there. Um, but yeah, i've i've been in I was in youth ministry prior to that and I was also a pastor of education At a relatively large church here in the city.

Until uh another pastor and I planted a house church a little over a year ago so a lot of my my heart and my passion now is Making sure our young people understand and I say youth and young adults that there is evidence um for why we believe what we believe because the trend we see of Young people walking away when they get to or through college Is often because they haven't been Given the proper tools to stand up to what a professor may say.

Yeah, so and let me uh, the website i'll let me put that back up the website for your conference. It's because you said go to the website but for folks who who are listening They can't see it on the bottom of the screen.

So it is www .proofforthetruth .org. So proof for the truth .org is the website to uh for that conference, which is happening into the month. Oh, wait now cindy. You got you guys online like everyone else.

We're we're actually in the midst. Uh, I I reached out to a friend of mine. Justin peters and I said hey How you because he had he called me uh, like last week and said so How's your how's your speaking schedule going?

And I said All cleared up. We're like sitting around he's like, you know, we're just working on on, you know, some some well i'm doing a lot with my local church now um getting very active teaching midweek bible study doing uh the preaching and um,.

And then we're we do a friday night movie night. I'm leading the discussion. So i've been real busy there. But justin has been working on some videos and talks. I said why don't we try to do like an online?

One day seminar like we've done before and we travel around and do and so we're actually working on it.

So i'm glad you said that I forgot about this. Um, So yeah, I lost several speaking engagements in the last month obviously for the situation that we're in but I am launching a um, a one not a one day, but my first webinar.

At the beginning of may it's and if you go to. This is a word. I think I should coin this word bibliology Dot eventbrite .com. Uh, you can you can register there. So I am trying to do some more online stuff and it's going to be dealing with hermeneutics and apologetics.

Kind of like a crash course beginning course.

Yeah, so where do you. You said you're doing your master's in apologetics? We're at.

At liberty university, okay.

So Yeah, you mentioned and you're working with some guys that I know I uh, greg cokel. Uh, jim wallace good guy. The the conservative jim wallace, by the way, there was Christian jim wall. He actually yeah, he couldn't go with using his his For his books because it's like wait, everyone's gonna get confused with the other jim not Good theologian.

So yeah. So let's talk. I mean we're coming up on resurrection sunday um, this is something that uh, I think we see with um We see with a lot of folks, um the fact that You know every year people come around they could you have good friday you have resurrection sunday they Celebrate with family some people know the meaning behind it.

Yes, but You know easter eggs, right? Yeah, that's it. Yeah. No, I um See and I never followed that part either because you know, I grew up jewish so I didn't understand like I didn't get all that stuff.

Um, I don't either and so. But the thing is is that I one of the things you see at this time of year Is history channel will always almost always Have some shows some programs on the resurrection Completely liberal.

Nothing historical and it's just basically trying to argue the resurrection didn't happen. It's a fairy tale so Let's discuss this Actual evidence that we can look to For the resurrection what say you?

Absolutely, and that's what's actually amazing about it. Um, and and as a quick sidebar for everyone watching most of those shows. Have already been debunked years before they air so um. Just a side note, but anyway.

The the evidence for the resurrection when you really look at it is so great that I almost feel like when we get when we get to heaven is gonna god's gonna be like why why was there even any doubt? Um as far as something that occurred in in in ancient history.

There is more evidence for this event. Than for most other things that we take for granted. Um things pertaining to caesar socrates alexander the great. No one questions those things. You never been in a history class in school and said I don't believe that about alexander.

The reason is. It's not a it's not a head issue. It's a heart issue in my opinion. And so. The question is if it is true. What does that require of me that requires of me to submit to what is in the book?

And that's the part where people essentially don't want to budge so. If people are more honest about that, then we can have a better conversation. But if they want to talk strictly about the evidence, let's let's get into some of that.

Um, number one. There can't be a resurrection if there's no crucifixion um. Even if we go back further if jesus didn't exist now at this point in time. Given the evidence we have anybody who says jesus didn't exist.

Like I would cut the conversation off because the even atheists acknowledge that let's you know, it was very interesting listening to.

Bart ehrman. If you know who bart ehrman is i'm sure if you guys you have it. I met him last year. You know that name.

Oh, yeah, I met him last year. I'm actually reading one of his books right now. Oh you poor thing i've read several of his books and.

Well, i'm dissecting Books than me and that's why you've lost your hair. I understand i've i've looked a lot of it, but not all of it there. No, but bart ehrman was was in a discussion with a an atheist who basically Just stated that there's no evidence that jesus ever existed and even bart ehrman was like stop.

Stop, okay. We could disagree that you know, we don't think he was god, but you can't say he never existed. So right bart ehrman Bowser is like no you can't make that claim. Yeah.

And i'm glad you brought that up because and actually I was interviewing, uh, jim wallace on my channel a couple days ago and um. And I met bart ehrman at a conference last year. I talked with him. He's a really nice guy actually.

And he will say and actually if you read his books even with all the books he's written all the best sellers. He will tell you. Those the the discrepancies that he that he likes to talk about those aren't the reason that he's not a christian anymore.

He said the reason is because he can't reconcile the problem of suffering or evil. Which is a totally separate thing and it's actually a much more. Um much simpler a problem to reconcile from a philosophical standpoint but.

To the lay person when when you read those books, it seems like an open and shut case, especially since he says the consensus is. It's by no means the consensus actually have so this this one book here.

I don't know if you can see how thick that is. It's called the resurrection of jesus by mike. Lacona. Who's a great historian? Um, This and there's more but that that one book is filled with evidence.

Um, you know. Just to get to something you said there with with bart. I mean it is interesting because. You know the issue he has. Like you said it's it's the easier one to reconcile. Yep. Um, but then here's the here's a little trick that for anyone that wants to read bart ehrman.

There's a little trick you just have to you have to pick up on. And if you read enough of them, you pick this up. Anytime he supports his his arguments. It's usually right. But what you see him do is this when he writes his scholarly work.

He he does do some good stuff. But when he writes to the masses, this is what he does well the consensus says. Wait a minute. Hold it. That's actually a logical fallacy. It's you know, you know to appeal to authorities or appeal to popularity.

Um, and and he does that a lot and you'll notice in his reading. It's like he'll he'll state something that's true. Like he'll say that the the gospel, you know after the gospels were written. And the new testament people were in a rush because of the gospel message.

They were in a rush to get this out there get it, you know in people's hands. So they they were quick to make copies and they made mistakes. That's actually true. Agree with that and he supports that but then he makes a claim and because of that we we can't know what the original said.

Um, wait, no, or actually he'll say we can't know what the original means. Right big difference. I'll agree. We can't have the original documents. This is what it actually was. But when it comes to meaning I remember um taking a course with uh, dan wallace and I asked him I said, you know.

Everyone uses the one one percent of the textural variances that we have. We cannot get back to the original and and it's easy to get back to original most of them spelling mistakes things like that there's.

But the concerning areas are ones where the meaning of the text changes and we can't get back to the original. And I said everyone says that's the one percent. But they're also saying that based off of older numbers of the manuscripts that we have we we have you know.

Everyone says we have six thousand. Well, we actually haven't like eight to nine thousand now. And he said more manuscripts. We got that number's gone down. He said we use the one percent as a conservative number, but it's actually closer to one fifth of one percent.

Yeah, like okay. So 99 .98 accurate. Um, i'll put that number up to cnn any day of the week. Yeah.

And it's amazing when they found the dead sea scrolls in 1947, um. They they had a full copy or in in that that that um. Discovery of those 600 documents there was a full copy of isaiah. Prior to that I believe we only had three copies of isaiah and that was what was in the bible.

And and so now is the chance hey, this has been buried for thousands of years. Did we do we have it right and they compared it and it was accurate to a degree of 99 .5. Which is which is insane because we're now we're talking old testament.

So. They had there was uh, seven variations when you look at isaiah 53 and three of them were very Variations in the hebrew word for light. A couple were contractions nothing, nothing doctrinal to change theologically change or even Uh based on the meaning nothing changed or and so that.

If I don't know if you've ever seen in his book misquoting jesus the paperback edition the first edition of the paperback. He had an addendum and he took it out in the second printing. And the reason he took it out is because guys were using it.

He stated there's not a single Christian doctrine that is affected by any of these manuscript variances and it was like boom I mean, you know. There you go barterman. There you go. Yeah, and and the isaiah scroll that you refer to um, the the importance of that is we we had we had several copies of isaiah, but This was a thousand years earlier than the earliest copy that we had.

Right, that's A big deal because now people say that the you know, given enough time there'll be all these edits and changes. Now we can go back a thousand years and nothing was changed. Oops, right.

And and that's the thing, um so like I said anybody who says jesus didn't exist stop just. We can agree to disagree on some things just don't make that objection. So let's move on. Uh to the crucifixion now.

Ironically, maybe not. So this is actually not up for debate either. Um ger ludeman who's an atheist scholar said that jesus's death Is as a consequence of crucifixion is indisputable. This is an atheist scholar saying this and actually barterman affirms this as well.

Um john dominant crossan of the jesus seminar if anybody remembers that he said very similar things jesus's death by crucifixion under pontius pilate. Uh is as sure as anything historical can ever be and this is somebody who is basically dismantled the bible and Kind of picks and chooses what we can take as authoritative or actual and not.

Um. So the crucifixion is actually not. By scholars at least it's really not debatable um. But you you mentioned something at the beginning and as I thought about this, um prior to our talk today. You know jesus made what we would call an easily falsifiable claim so embedded in every objection to the crucifixion of the resurrection in some way is.

Uh, they made it up or it's fake or there's some kind of conspiracy. It's just not real somewhere in the in the comment. That's embedded in there now if jesus Wanted to he could have said I will die and I will rise in a spiritual form in three days.

And in three days his disciples will say I feel his presence and I think I saw him. And there'll be no one to really say yes or no, there would be no way to prove that either one way or the other. But jesus said i'm going to die.

And then i'm going to rise bodily. In other words if I don't do this, then I didn't then it didn't happen. If you don't see me walking around again in a bodily human form again. Then that's not the resurrection i'm talking about.

So now we have some some tangible thing to really look for. So the easiest way to squash christianity from the outset. All they had to do is go to the tomb. Get his still dead body and drag it through the streets and say he's still dead.

The only reason that that was not a possibility is the body was not in the tomb. So now we move forward. Now they now skeptics and others have to explain. Okay. We know he didn't resurrect because that can't be right.

What are the reasons? That the tomb is empty so. For for a skeptic and for anyone listening that you want to be able to kind of Explain this to your friends or relatives or anyone who's not. Um, not saved or doesn't know.

Um, How to explain this fact this historical fact. You you it's okay. I was with uh, ben's fatality of rzim and he said Disagreement is okay, but disagreement without alternative is empty so When somebody says, uh, you know andrew, I don't believe in god.

Okay. Well, what do you believe because we're here? There's a universe you got you still have to explain what is um. If you say I don't believe in the resurrection, okay. Well, you still have to come up with some explanation a better explanation for why christianity exists at all because to to make the the case that.

These group of jewish men made this up for some kind of benefit it falls Flat they no one makes up a lie to have a worse life. Um, I was with jim born. Yeah, go finish finish. No, no. Well, this is real.

So jim waterwise. He's a he's a detective in real life for those that don't know and he says there he says every single murder. He's ever investigated and he's been on dateline and all these shows. There's three motives sex money or power.

Same thing for conspiracies. Those are the motives like he you just got to figure out which one or what combination. So the disciple you're going to tell me the disciples made up this lie. Knowing it was lying knowing he's still dead in order To lose their power to lose their family and friends and to get tortured martyred and chased from town to town and and for no money.

That makes absolutely no sense and it's never been done in the history of the world. Why would that happen now?

So now I gotta now you brought us on i'm really curious. You said that in in real life jim is a detective so what's he in a fake life or fairy tale. I mean because well give him a call and let him know, you know that you don't you know.

You think he's a christian fairy tale or something? Like i'm. But yeah, he is 20 years as a detective, uh cold case for much of it. But yeah. The the thing is and I like and they put this up. This is what uh, james walkins from five souls ministry says the five soul podcast.

The resurrection of christ is a great defense of his deity against cults like the jehovah witnesses as well. Um. That's very true. I mean you always go to the resurrection. So when I in alex, you I don't know that you know my background and testimony, but when I came to christ uh, it was More of a logical thing.

It was just someone's explaining. He was going through prophecies. I was running the numbers. It was mathematically impossible. Statistical impossibility is 10 to the 48th power. And so we start adding these prophecies up.

I ended up realizing it is statistically impossible. For these things to happen by chance. I mean there's some things going. Okay. This is self-fulfilling. There's other things that i'm saying. This is coincidence and i'm and self-fulfilling i'm ignoring coincidence i'm looking at I'm running the calculations and so I ended up stopping chuck and I said chuck it's mathematically impossible.

For the new testament not to have been written by god. What does it teach? So I don't exactly do things in the right order. I actually Before I believed in christ. Now at this time i'm still being jewish.

I'm still thinking jesus christ is hitler's god. I'm not looking for christ. I was raised so. But it was really interesting because as he's going through You know, he's saying that we're all sinners. That was not difficult for me.

I you know, I almost burned my house down twice, you know. Uh, once we put it out with a fire extinguisher the second time the fire department. So i've got better at my sin as I got older but. But You know being a poor wasn't hard for me to understand but needing a savior was some I thought my judaism was gonna save me and so I didn't Need for a savior and chuck is going through and we get to the resurrection.

And as we're discussing the resurrection I had never read. At that point in time never read josh mcdowell's more than carpenter or evidence of verdict but every one of the Views the false views of the resurrection the ways to explain it away.

I had every one of them whether it was the wrong tomb. And so I want to go through each one of these with you so folks I'm gonna let you answer them. But this you know, i'm not going to give the answers.

I'll let you answer but the people they got the wrong tune. He didn't really die. Disciples stole the body. I mean all the the general ones. I still have one that's original with me. I haven't heard anyone else argue this one.

It's it's kind of a play on the disciples stealing the body because he you know. He said that the disciples wouldn't have gotten past the guard so this was my very last argument before I ended up bowing my knee to christ because I I couldn't explain away the resurrection if he rose from the dead.

He is god. He's got him accountable to him and therefore I need to get right with him. So Before you know doing that here was the last pitch that I said, I said, okay chuck. Maybe the disciples they dug a hole underneath the tomb came up through the center took his body and took it out.

And chuck looked at me and goes in three days. Andrew. They didn't have heavy back then and i'm like, oh Oh and i'm like i put my hands on my in my face and I on my knees and i'm just he's like What's wrong?

I'm like, I just looked at him. I said If jesus christ rose from the dead then he's god. Yeah, yeah, that's what i've been trying to tell you for three hours. You know, I said i'm accountable to him and he's right I said but I'm not in a good state.

So here I just on on the steps of a dairy queen in in san francisco. I bow my knee to christ in 84 so I was only one years old. Ha ha. Long time ago, were you even born in 84?

Okay, I was years old. I was I was not. I was not far from one years old at that time. Thanks.

Vincent in the private chat is saying that i'm bad at math. I was 16 at the time. So let's go through those those false views. I mean i'll actually i'll just let you take whichever order you want, but let's deal with all the views and then give for them.

Yeah, so here's the here's something that people. Um. Need to to take seriously because I I think the way you came to it is is not the wrong way I think um. You can come from an evidential point and then come the more theological point later.

Everyone's not going to get saved coming to church on sunday morning and hearing a nice sermon. That's just that's great but that's not how everyone comes so. We have to have criteria and and this is not just criteria for examining the bible the resurrection this is how all historians engage in historical study.

Um, there has to be measured measurement sticks, so we look at explanatory scope based on the um, the evidence. Do we have to have other theories to include in our current theory that we're investigating.

Explanatory power. Does. Does this make the evidence more probable whatever theory we're talking about? Less contrived or less ad hoc. Um a philosophical term that means I don't have to invent like 16 new theories to make this one thing work.

Like you're digging under the tomb theory. Um, and is it plausible that one's the probably the most easy or obvious one?

Give me some credit with that the the digging. Original creative. I'll give you that. That was. I hadn't heard that one. I don't think anyone's heard that one. That's the thing. Like I've i've i've i've heard all these arguments I think that's still original with me.

I'm, you know Josh mcdowell into his his next book. Because I should actually mention that to sean. I should contact sean say hey when your dad writes his next book. Here's one that he hasn't.

It'll be just for you it'll be the chapter for andrew. So, okay, uh displaced body hypothesis um I think it was so joseph, uh clauster, I believe in 1922 Said that joseph arimathea placed jesus's body in his tomb and that's well attested.

I think also we need to make a side point every piece in scripture. Although I don't know that the gospel writers always knew and probably they didn't which is actually a sign of it being true that What they were writing was so important I think they were simply recording facts.

So Joseph arimathea asked for the body they buried in his tomb, but it actually is really significant for us. Because he was a wealthy person. He was well known that was that would have been a tomb that everybody would have known.

So now we have really good evidence that everybody knew the burial location. It wasn't some random field. So then we can't say maybe the body was stolen. Maybe they did dig under. But because of whose tomb it was.

It's it's really clear that we know where to go. Look. So that's important. Um, but the the criminal's graveyard was some hundred yards away or so. And so the displaced body theory says they put him in in joseph arimathea's tomb.

And he's digging a hole 50 feet. Oh, yeah, I put I put People that people post in here. So don't be distracted by it. But yeah, no, no, I was looking. Yeah, john.

John, uh wilkinson said uh roman soldiers seeing disciples digging a hole 50 feet away from the grave. What you doing? He's trying to say my my my you know. My digging. Doesn't work. I I don't know why john would.

I think it's a great argument just really. It's not it's not bad.

Creative um, so the the argument the displaced body says they put him in in joseph's tomb arimathea tomb. Sealed it but then in the middle of the night. They took him out of that tomb to put him in a different graveyard because he was a criminal.

So they put him in the criminal graveyard. But this tomb was guarded. Um. And it doesn't like this doesn't explain so remember explanatory scope explanatory power all these different things. Even if this was true, this would not explain why christianity exists.

So it would explain why the the tomb is empty. But that's not the only thing you have to explain you have to explain why. These suddenly these frightened disciples suddenly all of a sudden had this this vigor to go evangelize and be willing to die.

For this this jesus that they had come to know who they saw die. And they're telling people he's alive. And even if it's a lie, you keep that up for a second. But once you start feeling the pressure and the torture you're like, okay I was I was kidding, you know, you don't you don't continue to stick to it.

So This lacks explanatory power. It doesn't explain the origin of christianity. It lacks explanatory scope. Uh, it doesn't explain the appearances. So we haven't even got into that there's at least um.

There's several appearances where jesus appeared and paul lets us know that he appeared to 500 people at one time. And that's going to be really important when we look at our next. A couple theories and it's not plausible.

So one one thing that we could say, right?

With answering this is all they had to do.

Was produce the body, correct? Yeah, all they had to do. All right. So So.

The jews the jewish leaders who are not who. Had christ put to death who were upset with. You know the claims he was making. Now there's claims. He wrote he rose from dead. They knew he made the claims because they wanted the guards to be.

Because they said this is what he claimed. We don't want anyone we don't want his disciples to steal the body and then say he rose from the dead so they had it guarded. Right if that theory was the case and he was taken from joseph's tomb and put into the criminals.

Couldn't they just say to the guards who and remember they paid the guards. They lie, they told the guards to say the body was stolen which could cost the guards their life. Wouldn't the jews just instead say who took it and where'd they go with it?

Oh, they're okay. We'll grab the body. Wouldn't that be a whole problem?

It would it'd be it's it's the simplest solution, but that's the point occam's razor lets us know that. When you're looking for the answer, it's usually the simplest solution and if if you have to go steps above that.

And well, what if this and if this happened that could make this happen once you start doing all these combinations of of random um supposed theories. Yeah, that's when we get kind of in the weeds so you're right simple thing go get the body and show it to everybody case closed um.

Also another translation. I don't know if it's in matthew or luke, but one of them says that the tomb was sealed from the outside. That's a whole nother thing that we haven't even Addressed so these disciples either were digging under the grave the tomb like you said or they had chisels and they were working out the seal like.

You know, it gets a little far-fetched at this point. Yeah.

So let's explain that for folks who may not be so for me. I mean, they may have read the scriptures that sealed. But just picture the scene. You have a tomb. It's it is built with in in the rock face that's typically where the the.

You know the tombs would be of the more wealthy folks um. You have a two thousand pound stone that what they would do is they put someone in they they would build these tombs with a stone. That's got that's wedged in.

And then they put the body in and they pull the wedge out and two thousand pounds rolls and covers it. And you got to roll that up if they're going to put another body in there. So you have this big stone.

And they put a big clay x they basically stretch out and so that's that's over it. So if you move that rock. You know because the seal was broken and then you have guards That are guarding it. Right it's the roman guards which becomes interesting right.

Because. Yeah, jewish. It was a jewish holiday and the jewish guards couldn't Guard it.

Um yep, it it just and and. Just so we're clear the roman guards did not guard every tomb or every burial. This was a unique Situation right? So it's not like there's guards at every tomb. They would know there's guards at this tomb for this man who's in this tomb um because something was special about this guy, so.

Yeah, that that one doesn't seem to pan out. Let's go to.