Presidential Debate, Latin Mass, the God of Purpose and Glory

Greetings, welcome to the Dividing Line. About 10 seconds late there, I guess. I'm not sure, but we're all fine now is what I'm hearing from the other room, so I suppose that's good. Two Twitter things.

Political Chaos, Border Invasion, and the Collapse of Public Seriousness

Might as well start off with a smile because we're gonna get pretty serious later on. Squad gives 21 fire alarm salute for their fallen comrade Jamal Bowman. Now, it's a sad commentary on the collapsing state of the United States of America that Jamal Bowman, or the squad as a whole, have any place in the government of the United States.

They're all enemies of the Constitution, enemies of anything that's good or right or just or anything. But this is the guy who's not only a rabid anti-Semite, but he's the one that got caught pulling the fire alarm to interrupt a vote and ended up being censured for that and having to pay a fine.

And he lost, he got crushed. And in fact, I think the other Babylon Bee headline was, oh no, no. No, actually, I think it was the guy on Fox said, Hamas loses seat to moderate Democrat. So yeah, he is pretty much just a Hamas operative.

And I normally wouldn't say that, but I saw some of his final campaign stuff where he's dropping F-bombs all over the place. It's an absolute circus. There was once, at least in my lifetime, a level of seriousness in politics.

Now, I realize that, man, back in the 1920s, and there's been rough times in the past too, but nothing like what we have today. Just amazing. And illustration of this, just saw this, the libs of TikTok.

New York City paid out $350 ,000 to a man who identifies as a woman after he was put in a men's jail for a month. Dylan Miles was found guilty of multiple crimes. In Democrat run New York City, violent men who identify as women get payouts for being sent to the correct prison.

$350 ,000. What do you even say? What do you say about the judges? I mean, I've seen a bunch of stuff today. Remember Calvin's wise statement, when God wants to judge a people, he gives them wicked judges.

And that is exactly what we are seeing. There's this judge down in Houston that literally blamed Donald Trump for the rape and murder of that young girl, Jocelyn, who was raped and murdered by people that the Biden regime have invited.

They've opened the border, said, come and invade us. We are living in the days of the largest public act of treason that I can think of in any historical situation. I cannot think of anyone who more boldly, openly, and on a grand scale, we're talking facilitating the invasion of millions of people.

You just wait till the day, make a mark of this, make a mark of the time frame here. You wait for the day when there is a string of terrorist attacks in the United States that make 9 -11 look like child's play.

And I'm going to tell you right now, they got here through the border, opened up by the Biden regime to fundamentally change the nature of the United States of America. Just mark it down. It's going to happen.

It's inevitable. But right now they're just murdering and raping and pillaging. And that's exactly what the regime wants. It's exactly what they want. They want the disruption. They want the fear. They want people clamoring for solutions from government because they grabbed hold the education system and have created an entire generation, the younger generation, that looks to government for everything.

They have no concept of self-sufficiency. They have no concept of what's required for liberty and freedom. And so you just make conditions so bad that they will voluntarily enslave themselves. The whole climate fraud, all of it, it's all the same thing.

It's all the same thing. So yeah, there you go. Just posted some nice pictures. Man, you know what? They look a lot better once I posted them than when I initially took them this morning. Got some nice sunrise pictures down in South Mountain Park.

I went ahead and got up at 3 .20 this morning. So if I fall asleep during the middle of the program, just don't hold it against me. And this is where everybody laughs at me. I know if you live in New Orleans, you live in Houston, you're going to laugh.

But the monsoon has kicked in early this year, really early this year. And we do have a monsoon in Arizona. People don't know that. They understand that. And I know there have been times, I've checked it myself, where I've gone out on early morning rides where the dew point in Phoenix was higher than it was in New Orleans.

And so when people hear about the heat we have here, oh, but it's a dry heat. It was up until about a week ago. It was very dry. It was very comfortable. No two ways about it. I mean, you could sweat and it would just evaporate so fast.

It was very efficient, very effective. I had to stop four times this morning on the climb to wipe my eyes out. Nothing would evaporate. It's just pouring all over the place. It was a lot of work. But I'm very, very, very, very thankful to be out there doing that again.

I have caught up to where I was prior to the issues in Texas that led to three surgeries. So I'm thankful for that. We are looking, just got word today, it's not confirmed yet. We are working on a debate for Colorado Springs.

We'll see what it's going to be on. Once I tell you what the subject that has been requested is, you're going to go, what? We'll talk about it later. But we're looking at the last weekend in July in Colorado Springs.

So keep that in your calendar. And if you're up in that area, we'd I've never done a, I've spoken in Colorado Springs, but I've never done a debate. Colorado Springs, I've only done debates in Denver.

I think, my recollection anyways, sounds about right. So there you go. Happy birthday to Tom Buck, the overall wearing pastor. Actually, the only pair of overalls he has, I gave him. It's a long story, but I, man, I'm telling you, I can swear that when he came to the premiere of Unpopular, that he was wearing overalls.

And he swears the only overalls he's ever owned are the ones I gave him long after that. But man, I can just, I can just see it in my mind. It's just, but he is from Tennessee. So it may just be the persona thing.

I don't know. But his wife made some nice comments on Twitter about, you know, the, the white hair being, you know, wisdom and all this stuff. And I said, no, the white hair and I know is two things. It's just simple age.

And the other thing is the stress induced by the fact that when Tom drives a car, he doesn't look at the road in front of him. I'll never forget that first drive from Dallas to Lindale. And I'm sitting there in the passenger seat and I just keep doing this number.

And every time I look over there, Tom's talking and he's looking at me and I'm just sort of like, dude, yo, yes he is. Oh yes he is. And I'm just, I'm just like, dude, the roads over there. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And I'm not the only one who has made that comment, by the way. There are other people who likewise have seen their lives flashing before their eyes. As far as I know, he's not had any, any accidents, but I just say he's making his guardian angel work over time, big time.

The Presidential Debate and the Absurdity of Modern Politics

Tomorrow night will be the, I really hate to call any political thing like, like this, a debate, especially I hear that Trump's people requested that both candidates undergo an independent drug test prior to the debate rejected by the Adderall injected Democrat.

Biden's people of course rejected this, this request for obvious reasons. I can't imagine what the cocktail they're going to be given him is actually filled with. If it's even him, to be perfectly honest with you, I have no earthly idea, but then isn't this the one with all the CNN wackos that are, that are, that are quote unquote moderating it.

Oh, that's going to be, that's fair. That's going to be real, real fair. Yeah. And my understanding is they're, they're, they're trying to teach Biden how to trigger Trump, which I can't imagine would be all that difficult to do, uh, given the debates last time.

Um, but I doubt he'll remember any of.

That. Yes. So there will be no audience, no live audience. What good does that do? That's, and, and it's, um, think about this. If you're not speaking, if it's not your turn, your mic is off. And I sit back and go, okay, why didn't they do that a long time ago?

A and B who's who are they thinking that this is going to help? Cause I don't think it's going to help.

Big Joe. I don't know. Uh, they, this, they may not want to hear Joe rambling on about something that he wasn't supposed to be rambling on about. I don't know. Yeah, it's a, it really does make you think back to the original debates and I'm not talking about like Lincoln Douglas or something like that.

Um, the televised debate was Kennedy and Nixon and uh, the, the blurry black and white images. I mean, I don't know if that, I don't even know if that was three 20 by one 80 or something like that resolution back then.

It was so fuzzy and now I don't think it was even, and I don't think it was, I think that was, that came later. Um, it was fuzzy, fuzzy, fuzzy. And, um, but at least the debates were on issues and you know, votes and this is, I hope Trump's people keep him from doing some of the stuff he did last time.

It was embarrassing. Um, I, I don't know the whole thing, the squad, this type of stuff just makes you go, this is, this was, this was once the, the leading country in the free world. How utterly, utterly sad all of that really is.

Um, anyway, so I'm not sure if I'll be watching tomorrow night. Uh, I don't know if I can handle it. I'll be honest with you. The stress would be, it's, it'd probably be better to just tip the highlights or the low lights.

Well, it'd be low lights. Uh, there won't be any highlights, uh, at another point in time. Uh, I just looked over and saw this. Um, if you could crank her down a degree or two, it's a warming up in here.

Pro-Life Politics, Capital Punishment, and Media Distortion

Um, some of you may have seen a couple of days ago, I think it was two days ago, Jeff told me that the New York times wanted to talk to him. And I, I, I remember when they came out and did the interview and he was, he was being optimistic.

Um, basically the people had said, we want to talk to you because we've talked to a bunch of pro-life folks and they don't seem to know where they're going anymore since the fall of row. And you all have been consistent before and after the fall of row in demanding equal justice for the pre-born, um, abolition of abortion, um, everything else.

And they did have a dis discussion about what Jeff has said in the past about the justice. And this is something that's interesting in light of Roman Catholicism these days, the justice of capital punishment.

And in fact, end abortion now posted a post on Twitter today that was really good, uh, about, you know, people just go, you can't be pro-life and pro capital punishment is like, actually you have to be, um, pro capital punishment if you're pro-life.

Um, if you, if you understand what, what that's supposed to mean, but they did a good job on that. And Jeff had gone through, he had talked about his criticisms of, of Donald Trump and Carrie Lake and, uh, the pro-life movement in Arizona, uh, who's scared to death of us.

And he had also talked about in a just world, the need for punishment for the murder of unborn children. But then he also went on to say, the problem is right now, I don't think we have a just enough legal system in the vast majority of States, um, to be able to do what's right on this matter, um, without having innocent people, uh, caught up in it.

So this is something you need to work toward to have a just system that is consistently just by biblical standards. And then once you have that, then yes, you need to be consistent and protect life by punishing those who take life.

Well, that's too nuanced. And so Biden HQ, Biden headquarters on Twitter. What? Uh, I think it just said Biden dash dash HQ. You look it up. Oh, okay. Um, they, uh, they grabbed hold of this New York times interview, which Jeff had said Sunday night, he had said he was, he was really surprised how fairly they had treated him.

They didn't, they didn't try to make him look like a crazy nut nut ball and stuff like that, which you'd expect New York times to do. And these people picked it up. They edited the thing and they put out a, I don't know, was it a 30, 45 second audio where they took all the, you know, they described Jeff as a Trump ally, head of the Republic Republican effort to defeat, um, abortion rights legislation, which is again, what happened in Ohio.

They're trying to do here in Arizona and putting, uh, abortion into the constitution. And we're, and we're talking way past Roe v. Wade. We're talking murder a child up to the point of birth. And that may or may not be on the ballot this time.

I'm not sure, but, um, we definitely have taken the lead in, uh, resisting that here in the state of Arizona, but they described him in ways you just like, what? And then they put this thing out where he's talking about capital punishment for women who commit abortion without all the stuff about, yeah, but yeah, that's not really possible in light of the lack of proper biblical justice and so on and so forth.

And the results have been pretty amazing. Um, you know, I mean, our, our security folks will be at high alert this coming Sunday because, uh, you know, leftists don't tend to be the most, uh, restrained people on the planet.

Uh, and so it is amazing what people can get away with, uh, today. Um, I just happened to look over there and, and see that, uh, I guess they just did an apology or radio on getting your kids out of government schools.

Well, not unusual, uh, an apology to, for that to be taking place, but, um, but there you go. So, uh, pray for us. Uh, I, I believe Jeff will be preaching on Sunday. I preach, I've preached the last two Sundays.

So I'm pretty certain he's going to be itching to finally, um, get back in there. And, uh, but, there've been lots of death threats and, um, things like that. Uh, and so we'll be, we will be vigilant, uh, on, um, on Lord's day, thanks to the Biden HQ and the stuff like, um, like that, that's, um, that we're dealing with there.

Roman Catholicism, the Latin Mass, and Francis’s Agenda

Um, there is great discussion going on right now, um, amongst Roman Catholics. Uh, I actually, I, I watched a dialogue, fairly short dialogue between Gavin Ortland and a Eastern Orthodox priest, uh, that took place in Greece recently, uh, which was very, very interesting.

And, um, if you want to track that down, I'm just put it in Gavin Ortland. You should be able to pull it up. One of the first ones comes up. That was, um, that was interesting. And I, and I appreciate the fact that Gavin Ortland, um, went ahead and, and pressed on the fact that the Eastern Orthodox priest said, yes, I can, I can accept Gavin Ortland as a Christian, uh, because the historical position of the Eastern Orthodox Church is that we would not be Christians.

Not only are we anathema, we are outside the church, we're outside of the realm of God's grace. And so it's nice to talk to Orthodox folks who don't go that far. But the question is how, how do you not go that far?

It's sort of like talking to a, you know, a Roman Catholic says, oh, the anathemas are gone. You know, it's sort of the Jimmy Akin thing. And it's like, um, on the one hand you're talking about our tradition is 2000 years old and unchanging.

And then on the other side, you don't seem to mind changing those things and following people who are changing those things. And it's very difficult to figure, figure all that stuff out, uh, really, uh, exactly how it works.

But, um, anyway, um, there's big discussion right now amongst the cons the really conservative um, TLM traditional Latin mass type Roman Catholic. There's a lot of scuttlebutt coming out of the Vatican that there is a document that's already been prepared.

And it's just a matter of when it's going to be promulgated, um, forbidding the Latin mass. Now Francis has been deaf on the Latin mass for a long time. And, you know, if, if you offer Latin mass, you're putting yourself right in the center of the, um, of the target as far as the Vatican's concerned, but to go to the point of actually forbidding it, given that that was the very, uh, central act of Roman Catholic worship for centuries, just centuries is really amazing.

And it, it really makes me wonder what, what is Francis's, I mean, I get it that the Latin mass people are, are the people that he's talking about when he talks about conservatives holding on to things you see, and not looking toward the future that that's, that's what in the 60 minute, 60 minutes interview a couple months ago, when he blasted conservatives, this is who he's talking about.

He's talking about people who go to Latin masses and will go to their grave resisting the vision that Francis has of a modernized, um, socialist, woke, liberation theology, embracing and teaching globally vaccinated 47 times, making vaccination a sacrament.

I'm serious. Hey, Hey, they came pretty close, didn't they? I mean, am I not, am I forget, am I misremembering, but wasn't there something where the Vatican was about to say, you couldn't, you couldn't even come into Vatican city or to the buildings or something like that.

If you weren't vaccinated, uh, I mean, you know, Francis pushed the vaccines, just like Francis pushes all the environmental wacko stuff, everything out of the W E F W H O Francis is all over it. And who's going to be resisting all of that?

The Latin mass people and partaking in that Latin mass connects you back to a form of the Roman church that is just so obviously different on a fundamental level from what Francis wants you to think the Catholic church is and should be, which is just another way of saying this man is fundamentally changing the church.

And I don't know how you folks, some of you Roman Catholic folks don't, don't see that more and more of you are more and more of you are getting red pilled. You, you raised the microphone.

I was just thinking to myself, you know, if I'm, if I'm this kind of a Catholic and somebody goes to the old joke asking, is the Pope Catholic, I have to go. Um, um, not really. Uh, uh, next.

Question. Yep. No, I, there's no question about that. There's, uh, every reason to question, uh, Francis's, um, orthodoxy and, and things like that. Um, but anyway, why this would create much more schism.

Uh, I saw a well-known Latin mass attending conservative Roman Catholic, uh, putting up a poll basically going, let's say Francis forbids the Latin mass. Where are you going to go? And you know, Eastern right churches, uh, Eastern orthodoxy, whatever, you know, but, but it was like, what are we going to do?

What would we do? And it's just this, I used an illustration. What was I, what was I, I forget what the context was, but long, long ago, many, many, many decades ago now. And when I say long, long ago, I, uh, today is the 26th of June, by the way, what's, what's significant about today?

Uh, the, the day after my 42nd wedding anniversary, 26th, 26th of June, 26th of June, what happened June 26th, 1990. See, I remember this cause I put it in letters to a Mormon elder. We set the city of Phoenix set, uh, it's all time record high, uh, at 122 degrees Fahrenheit on June 26th, 1990.

And if you remember, it went one 15, one 18, one 20, one 22, one 20, one 18. So it was like, woo. And it lasted a long time and it was hot, but that was 1990. So you didn't have the global warming wackadoodles.

Uh, you know, the seventies was coming ice age. They were just starting to ramp up the, uh, global warming stuff about then. So you just didn't have it the level that you have it now. And isn't it weird after how many billions or even trillions of tons of carbon dioxide put into the air, uh, by human beings of which that's a teeny, teeny, tiny percentage of what's actually produced by nature.

And, you know, most of these, most countries like the UK, you know, we need to go net zero. They are so tiny and produce so little that there's a big fire burning in, I think it's Kuwait. Well, the largest, uh, tire collection places ever is on fire.

That one fire will put more carbon in the air that all these little nations could spend trillions of dollars to get the net zero for. I mean, one volcanic eruption, one and every, all the green, everything, the billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars that have been spent out the window, irrelevant, done.

And that's because CO2 has nothing to do with the temperature of the earth. Um, water vapor is the primary thing and we can't get rid of that. And the thermostat of the earth is called the sun. Hello earth to everybody.

It's called the sun. And, um, everybody there, the people in the know already know that, but the money is don't say anything about that type of stuff. So that's, yeah, everybody bows down. That's, that's what's going on.

So, uh, how in the world do we get on that? Oh, June 26th. Um, yes. Uh, that's, uh, and, and the reason I got to that was July 31st, uh, of this year will mark. Uh, I, I texted my, uh, sister, uh, today to remind her that July 31st of this year will mark, uh, 50 years since our little family drove into Phoenix, Arizona from, uh, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania and took up residence.

And I can guarantee you right now, whenever I see anyone visiting in July or August or moving here in July or August, I just look at them and go, nobody told you, huh? Oh, sorry, because that's not when you want to move to Phoenix.

That's not when you want to visit Phoenix. And if your company says, Hey, would you like to go on a business trip to Phoenix in July or August? That means they're getting ready to fire you. So just be aware of that.

Cause cause they're, they, they, they, they want you to die. And, uh, they're, they've got someone else already sitting in the wings. So just, just quit right then and do not bother coming because that's not, this is not the time for you to, to come here.

Uh, it really isn't. And if it wasn't for now and next month and a month after that, and a month after that, everybody would live here because the rest of year is really nice, but this is our December, January, February that the rest of you have.

Ours is just the opposite. It's, we don't have to shovel it, but sometimes the road melts. Yeah. Yeah. Your tires. Yes. That's, that's all there is to it. So anyway, uh, all of that back to Francis and all his wackiness.

Um, I, I just, I just, you know, keep, keep telling folks. Uh, I did an interview. I did iron sharpens iron yesterday. And we talked a little bit about the interview that Chris Arnson did with Bob's and Janice, uh, about Jimmy Akin.

And I said, toward the end, I said, you know, I appreciate a lot of what Bob's Jenna said, but you know, Bob's stuck with a system that he admits is broken. And he tried to connect it to, well, there are lots of bad Israelite Kings.

That's not the parallel. Um, the new covenant isn't the theocratic state of Israel with all of its unregenerate bad Kings. Um, so you can't do that with the Popes. Sorry. It doesn't work that way. What you're talkative.

Today. And it just occurred to me that that really didn't end so well. I wouldn't really.

Want to compare it to that. It's a, you know, uh, yeah. And they've already, they've already had their Babylonian captivity where they had three Popes and, uh, and everything else. So yeah, who knows?

Um, so anyway, uh, we will be keeping an eye, but believe you me, if that document comes out and the Bishop of Rome says no Latin masses, there's going to be a lot of people that are just going to go, why not?

I understand, you know, reforms in the language of the people that, um, but still to actually just forbid it would demonstrate beyond all question that Francis is at war with the history of his own church, which shouldn't shock anybody because isn't that what all of leftism is doing at war with our own history at trying to demonize and say, you know, this nation was terrible ever since such and such a time.

And, you know, based on racism and all the rest of the time, it's, it's meant to demonize the past so as to disconnect a people from their past. And if that's what Francis does, that's why he's doing it.

He's connecting, disconnecting people in the past to prepare them for a very different future, but that's the end of Roman Catholicism. You, there's no way to sit there and go, well, but yeah, you know, this is, this is just a development of, uh, of apostolic tradition and an application.

And look, I know you can explain anything. You can explain anything away. Sophistry is never ending, but for the person with the slightest concern about honesty, you're not gonna be able to go there. You're not gonna be able to go there.

So who, who knows what's going to happen there? Okay. What I wanted to get to today, um, there was a, I'm not going to get into specifics as far as names are concerned, because this particular individual has a very small number of followers, a very small audience, and I'm not going to help to, um, add to that audience.

Um, but I, I saw a friend, a friend responded to this. And so I followed the link and, um, followed my, used my other Twitter account, uh, to, uh, see things because of bans and stuff like that. So libs of tick-tock had posted a picture of that sweet little girl, Jocelyn, who was raped and murdered, uh, by the, um, illegal alien is not descriptive enough.

We simply call them, um, foreign invaders. That's what they are. They're foreign invaders, foreign combatants, uh, the occupying forces of the Biden regime because that's what they are. They're occupying forces.

Anyways, libs of tick-tock had said prosecutors revealed that Jocelyn fought her rapists, leaving marks on one of the illegals accused of killing her. Uh, this poor little girl was abused for two hours before being strangled to death.

And little picture. And I had quote, tweeted that and had said any person voting for Biden Schumer or Schumer, any of the socialists who have opened the borders and engaged in the treasonous assistance of the invasion of this nation simply joins them in their guilt.

So, um, that's a political statement on my part. Um, but it's also based upon a recognition of the fact that Biden, Harris, Schumer, Pelosi, uh, Obama, the Clinton, the whole kit and caboodle of them, uh, are zealous patriots of the culture of death.

They hate the Christian heritage of this nation. They hate the role that God's law played in the creation of, of the very structures of this nation, uh, the constitution itself, our, our common law. They hate all of that.

And I've been very effective in banishing those things from our society. Uh, and so I'm just simply saying that you, you, you can look at these big names, but they have been assisted in gaining that power by people who voted for them.

And normally they voted for them so they could get other people's stuff. That's what socialism is about. It's, it's based upon greed. It's a rejection of God's, uh, decreeing that some people are going to be more successful than other people.

Some people are more gifted than other people. There are certain people that can make money hand over fist, and then there are others who can't, and lots of people are in the middle. And so that's what I was talking about as well as just the gross treasonous injustice of what's taking place in our nation right now.

So as is so often the case, whenever I make a comment about what's going on in our, on in our society, what's going on in, in all these things and seek to speak prophetically in the sense of here is God's standard.

Here's what's happening. This inevitably brings judgment. America, you're bringing judgment upon yourself. This is the only way. Repentance, rejection of the culture of death, a recognition that you are made in the image of God.

This is the only way forward. This is the only way to seek forgiveness for the blood that's on your hands. And when you, if I do anything like that, provisionist synergists, or in this case, open theists of various forms will always do the same thing.

It's the same childish mockery. It's the same, same shallow foolishness, the same philosophically driven blather that is the essence of what they're about. But here's, here's what the tweet said. Here we see a man, James White, who believes God eternally decreed all this with specificity, pretending as though this was avoidable and not something he praises God for.

Sadly, James is not alone as his pal Jeff Durbin believes God decreed gang rape for his glory. So, you know, when I, when I hear this, I know I'm talking, I immediately know I'm talking about very dishonest people, people who don't have any ability to at least even express things with any level of honesty, integrity, anything like that.

And this guy, I future cult leader, um, working out right now, small little cult, but anyway, but when you think about it, I think it, I think it is important for those who are reformed to be ready to give an answer and to speak to an issue like this.

So I want you to think with me for a moment about the genealogies in Matthew and Luke. Well, you're expecting one of a fairly small number of very clear passages. These people do not have any exegetical response to these passages.

That's obvious. Um, but, and in fact, that whole genre of open theism with all of its minor variations leads to a fundamental degradation in the view of scripture. And the reason I say that, um, is in the debates I've done with open theists and discussions I've done with open theists, and in fact, if you go back to, uh, the last unbelievable broadcast, and I'm not sure if that was the last unbelievable broadcast I did, I'm thinking it might've been, I'm not sure.

But I was on with John Sanders who I debated at RTS. What was that? 2001? Somewhere around there. And a lot of that conversation had focused upon his, John Sanders, attempting to demonstrate that there's, there are prophecies in the Old Testament specifically, uh, that are not fulfilled or that were not fulfilled, that were, that were in error.

And this is to establish this idea that when God says he's going to do something, since God is like us experiencing time, so time exists external to God and he experiences not an eternal now, um, but he experiences progression of events.

And they amazingly try to use the incarnation as an evidence of this. It's like they're not good theologians by a stretch of the imagination. But anyway, um, but since their God is limited in time, then when he says something, um, he does so speaking truthfully, given his current knowledge of events up to that point in time.

And so that can change, that can change over time. And so when he gets a prophecy wrong, it's not that he was wrong initially. It's that, um, things changed based upon the free will actions of creatures that God cannot know.

The whole point of open theism is that to protect the autonomous will of man, you have to deny to God a knowledge of what free creatures will do. Because if God knows beforehand what a free creature will do, then the creature is no longer free.

The creature is no longer autonomous. And that's where open theists reject even what Arminians. Arminians will not go so far as the open theists, though I've said inconsistently so. But at least we can be thankful for their inconsistencies and they won't go as far as the open theists, uh, and completely overthrow the entire foundation of biblical prophecy.

Messianic prophecy, the prophecies regarding the ministry of Christ, the death of Christ, resurrection, all of that becomes overthrown within open theism. And so I mentioned the genealogies because I want you to, I want you to think with me for a moment.

Um, what, when you, when you read Matthew chapter one, and this person was the father of that person and you've got, uh, and, and, uh, and Solomon was the father of Boaz by Rahab and Boaz was the father of Obed by Ruth.

And Obed was the father of Jesse and Jesse was the father of David, the King. And you realize there's, man, there's a lot of history and actions. Boaz, Ruth, Naomi, remember the whole story there, right?

We know about that. Um, is this, is, are the genealogies nothing but a historical record that could have been completely different? Could these genealogies, might it have been God's hope to have brought Jesus into the world 200 years prior to when he actually came, but it didn't work out and he had to go to plan B and then to plan C and then to plan D because you talk to open theists, could, could Paul have rejected Jesus on the road to Damascus?

Well, has to say yes. So what if the Paul option fails? Well, there's a plan B. Was Paul a plan B, plan C, plan D? No way of knowing. It may well have been that God had wanted to bring Jesus into the world far earlier, but you just had to keep adjusting to the freewill actions of men because God doesn't know the future.

When God created, he could not have infallible knowledge that any of these people, you might argue, well, yeah, he had theoretical knowledge. He could not have infallible knowledge that any of these people would ever exist because who is, who is Jesse?

Jesse, the father of David. Well, who he is as a person was determined by his parents, his grandparents, the context in which he lived, the time in which he lived. You take Jesse and move him a hundred years one way or the other, is he the same person or is he changed by that?

You see, when we think about, when we look at scripture, the scripture writers see in history the sovereignty of God. They see his complete control over human history. That's why Psalm 33 reads like Psalm 33.

Men make their plans. God's the one who's going to accomplish what God wants. He does whatever he pleases in the heavens and the earth. Psalm 135 says, never said about man, never said that man does whatever he pleases in heaven and earth.

God does. And when you think of all of the quote, free will acts of man that were necessary to bring about the birth of the Messiah in Bethlehem, which was another prophecy, even though I guarantee you'll find, you can find open theists that will say, yeah, you know, that's, that's sort of stretching it.

That's not really what, what that past, that's not really what Micah was talking about. We don't have to worry about that. Those New Testament writers, they're just, you know, they're just doing the best of what they can.

Think about all of the free will acts of autonomous creatures, unknown to God, absolutely necessary to bring about the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem at that particular point in time. Think, think about historians have always commented on the fact that the gospel begins right in the middle of the Pax Romana, the peace of Rome, where Rome has established a context in which there can be travel.