Dead Men Walking Podcast LIVE from Fight Laugh Feast: Luke Pierson

Opening Banter and Live Setup

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Yeah, I know there was a lot of them this weekend. But we wanted to keep you guys updated. All right, here we go. Exploring theology doctrine and all of the fascinating subjects in between. Broadcasting from an undisclosed location dead men walking starts.

Hello everyone, welcome back to the final episode from the fight laugh feast concert. What a calm conference. Excuse me. I was like, oh Jason what do you think everything you expected man or more? Like we ever see the movie dodgeball.

Yeah. Yeah Jason Bateman's like, oh cotton. He's got his hair all just going everywhere, right for all those dodgeball games. That what it feels like to you. Oh, man, it's been a whirlwind, but it has been an awesome whirlwind of events.

Yeah, I mean so many speakers and so many cool conversations. Yeah, this has been awesome. Yeah, we started Friday at 7 o 'clock. There was a 6 o 'clock Seven the time change has got me off. I don't tell you and then man's Our Thursday we started I'm sorry we started Thursday.

Yeah. At 7 and then all day Friday. We put in a nice 12 Yep, 13 hour day there and all day today where we're at right now. It's about 6 o 'clock Central time so put another full day date today, and we've did I think 11 interviews.

Or podcast mini podcast if that sounds right? Yeah, we heard All kinds of different speakers all along the theme of preparing ourselves for Essentially war battle battle. Yeah. Yeah, you know and it is it is a battle when you are battling the secular agenda when you're battling the flesh when you're battling a culture that wants absolutely nothing to do with Christ, right and What the gospel stands for so it was it was exciting.

People are milling around right now. We still have a dinner to go to after this. But it was awesome to see about a thousand people come together from all across the United States. We met people in multiple states.

Yeah, and to come together and just lift up the name of the Lord and be one in heart and one in theology as well, too. Yeah in mission. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I What was your what was your biggest takeaways from this who did you like or did anyone say did anyone say anything that just really stuck out to you so many nuggets of Wisdom spoken from that stage.

Yeah, I really do feel like a sports commentator right now. Why is that? It's cool, no, no, this is this has been a great a great conference to to definitely be at Watching if you could flip around the camera.

It's just like, you know a couple hundred milling around chaos people setting stuff up tearing it down, right and we're at our little booth. Yeah, you know just Commentary. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man playing killer that ninth hole was crazy.

But uh, but no, yeah, I mean everybody that we interviewed everybody that we had conversations with I mean, you know There's Gary tomorrow. Oh, there you go On what's up? Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, he he told us earlier.

He said I'm still trying. Yeah Gary's talking to Jason here off camera. See what's going on. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's up. People are listening. They like it. I Will I'll get it to you for sure. Gary's asking about his episode.

That was earlier today. Yeah, he's already put it up on this. We've already got that up on all the podcast platforms in video. If you want to watch it, you can go to Our Facebook page. We did a live Facebook there and that's at dead men walking podcast and then as always if you want to follow us on Instagram.

That's at dead men walking podcast as well on Instagram where we put up clips and audio and things like that. But yeah, so you were saying yeah Gary for Gary so rudely interrupted. He's amazing you guys really need to check out all of his stuff.

Hey, sir. But yeah, yeah, he was talking eschatology this guy's. About 30 eschatology books and he says I'm still trying to figure out parts of it I'm 30 books behind. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm in trouble. I'll try to figure it out.

So that was comforting. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know rod rod brought out some really cool points I never really thought about how maybe in 30 40 years people will actually be living on the moon.

Yeah, and I mean that really hit me. I mean, you know, like let's let's start planning a church right now. You know, that'd be the the the biggest church plant ever, right? Absolutely. Trying to put a church on the moon first first Baptist Moon, I don't know what what what would I have no idea but you want to what when?

When we're at Rod Martin was speaking. I thought that was really good where he took basically technology and the futuristic outlook and intertwined it with The biblical worldview and then he actually expanded on that a little bit here on the podcast earlier today that that episode is up as well.

Obviously Doug Wilson was phenomenal with his ten points of war and method verse Principle you can find a lot of that in his book rules for reformers, which I do which I do have pick that up here at the well, I've listened but I Read it, you know can't say you read it if you listen my wife says she always corrects me.

Ah, come on, Sam, but we had I mean so many good guests on for us. But just we were edified to at the conference. It was so cool that they let us come down set up the podcast gear do some live stuff. Yeah, but like I said, we had two days in a row back-to-back.

That was just like yeah. Twelve hours of just heavy hitting just going theological stuff, right? That really like I said edified blessed us educated us and I think it was it was a pretty cool experience.

All in all don't you think. Oh definitely? I mean and and just getting to talk to a bunch of different people from around the country. Actually, I'd spoke to Nathan Anderson I want to say okay. He's got a movie.

He's got a couple movies coming out. Well, actually I already saw one of his movies. It's about Post Mill. Anybody's interested, what's the movie? Do you know the name or no gonna Google it for me earth on earth as it is in heaven.

Okay, I know that you can find that on YouTube. I watched that on YouTube. He's coming out with another one called called teach all nations. We should have actually had him over here. He's a really interesting guy.

Well, you know how we like to do these shows here when they're live if we see someone walk by and they want to jump On and we want to talk to them. You know, we don't mind it we're right next to you and I love who were next to our booth is Glenn sunshine man like historian theologian Professor academic.

I mean the smartest dude in the world. Yeah picked up a couple of his books. He spoke on day two. I was a day one or day two. I can't remember. They're all starting to run together. We've basically been inside this arena for three days.

You know from Sun up to Sun down. I'm an introvert. I've never spoken this much in my life. I don't think yeah. Oh, there goes there goes our music director for the Holler out. I was gonna ask what his name was his favorite chord.

Yeah, Jesus. Hopefully it's Jesus. Yeah. And it's funny because he basically taught us how to sing as a choir. Yeah, yeah on the very first day. Yeah, and every day we opened with a psalm. Yeah the first night beer and psalms and then every morning and every evening we closed and opened and closed with the psalm and the Doxology just now for the final and I'll tell you what you hear we're saying that a few times.

Yeah, it's been powerful. It's just powerful. It's 25 seconds long and it's like man. Let's roll that like five more times I mean a thousand people's hands lifted up. All it is is voices singing the doctor Doxology and then at the end, you know, just that long.

Amen, right? It's so great to see that. Yeah. Yeah, but they're coming back next year. They said Lord willing. They're gonna come back next year October 14th or 16th. And that's South South Dakota. No, he said they they're talking coming here right to this exact same spot here outside of Nashville cool.

So we'll talk to the cross politic guys, but I would see you know. Would love to have some listeners that would want to come down. Maybe maybe that's what I can get a get a bus or something. Man, you know, that's not Jason.

That's what Jason I said We need to get a couple more guys down here. We're even thinking about bringing our families because it's very family friendly, right? A lot of younger kids here a lot of wives here as well, which was cool because I thought oh, you know fight-laugh-feast rowdy Christian Reformed is gonna be a bunch of guys.

But then what you what you realize very quickly because I'm the same way is a lot of guys in reformed Theology are very family oriented because not only are we the head of the hall. Look who we got coming over.

Luke Pierson on End Abortion Now, Red State Reform, and Apologia Church

Luke's coming over. Yeah. Good you are. We're at which I jump on right here brother, you're a big guy I don't know if you can get that close to Jay there and you are up. You are a big Yeah. Why don't you introduce yourself to the listeners and the viewers tell us what your name is, well, they know it's Luke.

Yeah. But tell us what your name is and and who you're affiliated with and I don't know.

We're just kind of giving a recap on the on the conference. Right on man. Yeah, my name is Luke Pearson. You might know me as Luke the bear from apology of studios. I am you discipleship pastor at apology a church in Mesa, Arizona and I am here this week representing an abortion now man and.

Or action for life. Nice. Now, what's the difference between the two. Because I see him right question. Yeah, I'm glad you asked in abortion. Now is our.

Gospel prophetic Side of things it's a ministry of apology a church. For ending abortion and then action for life is actually the abortion project of red state reform which is 501 c4 lobbyist group. Nice that we just started this year.

So, okay. Okay, cool.

Church Discipline, COVID, and Staying Open

Yeah, so what'd you think about the conference? Did you do takeaways or glad you were a part of it? Yeah, it's been amazing I'll be honest. I have.

Missed a lot of the talks because I've been talking to so many people, right? Yeah, we were too. It's been great, though. It's been really encouraging and it's blessed me a lot just be able to talk to a lot of people meet a lot of people and.

Definitely you guys go to things like this a lot. Is this the first time you've seen something like this? I mean, I. I mean you guys do like g3 and all.

No, no. No, okay. Honestly, we're usually so busy. Yeah. Yeah I don't have time for stuff, right? I I wish I had more. Yeah, I'm so like that. So, yeah, we honestly we weren't even planning on coming this to like about a month ago.

Yeah.

I remember when it was announced that apology. It was yeah there and Jeff you guys were gonna show up. Yeah, which is cool.

Yeah, it's good man. I solidarity. Oh, yeah, I mean the cross politics our boys. Yeah. You know, we're we're family. So I it's a it's a honor and.

Privilege to be here. So how so you live in Arizona then? Yep. Yep. So how's everything going out there with like the mass and the kovat and the any pushback or like even in within the church? How you guys handling that that's still a hot topic like nine months later.

Yeah, so we have remained open.

Apology of church. We never closed For nobody and It was hard, I mean it was a challenge at first. But we were of the perspective we had put out a statement we said look ultimately this is the under the jurisdiction of pastors, right and We weren't judging any pastors for shutting down, right?

And we we said if if we feel like our congregation is at all in danger. We we will Do that if we feel need necessary. Yeah, but it hasn't been necessary. You know, we want to quarantine the sick not the healthy.

So we remain open the whole time which has been Honestly a blessing God's Grown our church by about 150 people. Wow. Yeah, which is really amazing. It's also been a lot of extra work. The half our schedules are meeting with new people, but it's awesome and exciting.

So yeah, I mean Arizona we were pretty pretty laid-back with mask stuff until The top of July and then there was a spike and so they had originally shut down like business some businesses and stuff like that and We just kind of like whatever.

I didn't really even wear a mask until July and then they got like Kind of strict with some stuff. And so I would wear it occasionally if I had to yeah, you know. But they come in here like they're still like Pretty militant about that and obviously if you hear my voice I like Had an hour allergic reaction wearing the mask on the stupid plane coming over here and so right now I got a cold.

I've been fighting off. I sound like the Hodge twins. So, yeah, so it's been Arizona's been pretty Pretty I'm thankful. I'll say that despite our governor being an idiot. I'm thankful Michigan yeah. Well, I actually went to Michigan really for my sabbatical.

Sorry and You know, I was up north. Oh, it wasn't too bad. Yeah. Yeah, but you know There were some places where I was like man, like I haven't even worn a mask and people are looking at me, right? Why aren't you wearing a mask?

Right? So it was a little weird. It's nice.

We got a little victory today that our Michigan Supreme Court ruled all of her executive orders. Unconstitutional really? Yeah, which just came out. Yeah. Yeah. I know you guys are from Michigan. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. We're Monroe just above Toledo right in between. Okay, Detroit until 30 miles south of Detroit. Okay, so I'm. I was born in Grand Rapids.

And so my. My dad's side of the family is all from Flint and Grand Blanc. Yeah, my mom.

Side is all from Lapeer. Okay, look at that. We got a little Michigan connect. Yeah. Yeah. I saw the Michigan on your. Yeah I was no blue.

Which I can't even have for another month. So, yeah, if that's why I was there actually I was up. My grandpa had a cabin up in Grayling.

I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So I grew up Higgins Lake. Yeah. Yeah, we were just there I grew up.

He had 88 acres up in Grayling and a cabin and that's where I did all my vacationing. Beautiful up till about 25 guys and so it's been 15 years. Roughly since I've been back there and I took my kids up and saw showed him where he's the runner.

So it was it at. Did you go to Higgins Lake? I did actually like south or north. Which. Side. North side north side. Okay. Okay. Is the water still as clear as it? Oh, yeah.

We were like you it was uh, it was the Higgins Lake State Park on the north side, uh-huh, you know, so we were like Probably 150 yards out and it was like three feet. Yeah. Yeah, right crystal clear sand.

Yeah.

Abortion Law, Legislative Strategy, and Red State Reform

Well, welcome back to the Michigan tourism. Yeah. Hey, man.

Yeah, I love it over there man. So beautiful country.

I got a question for you because I know guys like you and especially your team out there in Arizona. You guys are always looking forward. I mean you're always going. How can we affect the culture? How can we bring glory to God?

What's the next thing that we can do? So what's coming up for you guys? I mean, are you I mean You're still going hardcore with end abortion now. Yeah, which is a huge success. Yeah hearing about a TV show possibly.

Is that through you guys with with Marcus or is no, I know that's all Marcus.

Okay, he's actually moving to Moscow the end of this. I'm trying to move to Moscow, too.

You go. There you go. Okay, so doing that and then I mean are you just really focusing on the end abortion now stuff? Obviously you got the Apologia radio stuff. That's still booming. Yeah, you guys got a lot going on all of the above.

Yeah, yeah, so. And then I you know, I wasn't busy enough. So we went and started red state in action for life.

So is that gonna be national or is that just national? Yeah, is that just yeah, okay.

For the state legislature, it's so we can help in other states. We're actually already Helping some other states. We have connections in Indiana, Ohio Texas Oklahoma, Alaska. One of the Carolinas, I don't remember which one.

Missouri there's a bunch. How are we gonna get you in Michigan?

Yeah, let me know. I mean I was a legislative liaison at our state capital. I'm an elected official in Michigan and I have some connections up to the federal level. So if if you know good relationships with my congressman and well, not so much with my senators because they're both raging liberals, but.

But yeah, give me a call offline and we'll figure out if we can try to infiltrate Michigan.

I'll tell you what we need is a state representative or senator or how they do it, Michigan, but as a state legislator that is willing to Put forth an abolition bill. Okay, and we can go from there. Okay, cool.

We'll talk about it, man I'm sure we'll be in contact. That's what we're doing right now in the air, Indiana goodness. Well, I grew up in Indiana. Oh, just outside Chicago. So, okay. Yeah roots ever. Yeah.

So. Yeah, so that's actually my parents live in Gary, okay, okay, I'd say that quietly.

They're literally three three houses in the Gary so they're not like so did you guys ever get witnessed to by Jackson and his family. No, no, no. Okay, they were Jehovah's Witnesses and they would not really undores.

Yeah all over Gary. Yeah. No, we had hot we had a Hiles Anderson in Northwest, Indiana, which is Hammond Baptist. They're like the Christian version of Mormons. Oh very very legalistic, but they look just like Mormon elders.

They'd be out playing basketball and like they're in their suits dress shirts and ties. You know if you guys know who Steven Anderson is it's like some yeah. Oh, you know the same the same same thing.

Yeah, so you got your daughter door. Yeah, give you a card to say a prayer and alright see in heaven and then you never hear from him again.

Yeah, I've got audio of the first time Steven Anderson found a King James Version Bible right here.

There we go, oh. That's excellent.

But yeah part of the trend I forget what I was. So so, Arizona. I way I got way off there. Okay, we do on this show. Well, that's how we do it. So we have a state rep Walt Blackman assuming he gets reelected which he should.

He we actually have an abolition bill that's drafted. He will be dropping as soon as he is elected is elected. Yeah, and so that's gonna be a big fight for us. Yeah next year is You know working with him and trying to get that bill in the committee and voted for in Arizona.

How's the support in Arizona for that? I saw where Jeff preached at a.

Event. Yeah, that was actually for Walt Blackman. He had a Technique was a Trump rally, but they hosted it up there and. So it's interesting. I think I mean, Arizona still is a And fairly overly conservative state, okay, right we are getting a lot of Liberals coming in from California.

I was gonna say how's that exit? So basically, you know, you have like most of Arizona's conservative except for Phoenix. Right Tucson and Flagstaff. Yeah. Yeah, everything else is like pretty conservative.

I mean, it's there's a lot of Mormons. They're a lot really all my neighbors are Mormons. Mesa has a second largest job brother of LDS. We got my man. Toby Jerry. He's gone that's my dude right there.

Water, there's the second largest population of LDS in the world outside of Salt Lake City and wow. So which is where our roomie for church, okay. So yeah, anyways so. Yeah, I don't know. It's getting me interesting.

I know, you know the the conservative lobbyist group that's been around for 20 years in Arizona is your typical pro-life. Just industry. Yeah, kind of like not really doing anything. So that's what people are used to so it's gonna take some time to like right how people realize like oh, no.

There is another way that actually does stuff just not pro-life in name only.

Yeah, I mean like like the the big when they had three years ago I think they passed a bill and was like If you have an abortion you have to say why? Are you serious? Yeah. You'd like checked like boxes you to check why that was like their big win for the year and I was like serious.

Yeah, right very retroactive.

It actually is it's abortions been illegal in Arizona aft since 75 or 76 so after Roe v. Wade Arizona actually passed a law that made it illegal made it a crime to have an abortion or commit an abortion and it's just not being enforced because of.

Really people are think Roe v. Wade's the law and they're scared of the federal beast and so no one's enforcing it.

More of a suggestion by the Supreme Court, right? It's just it's just an interpretation opinion, yeah, just precedent yeah, so.

The law that we're gonna be dropping it's it's taking the law that's on the books and strengthening it. Okay, and making sure it's criminalized.

And there might be some appetite with that too. Just because of what's going on on the Supreme Court and the people being replaced. We've seen eight or nine different states kind of already start doing that.

So I mean You know creating this This organization is probably right at the right time soon. Yeah.

Providence, Reformation, and the Church Going on the Offensive

Providence oh, absolutely. Yeah. No totally like we've been saying that just there's a thing that's been we've been working on for a while. We were able to just finally get it off the ground like right before kovat hit.

But yeah, you're right. Just the timing of everything. Even while Blackman who I mentioned we've been trying to get with him for three years. And it just kept hitting roadblocks and then all at once right like all at once.

We got the connection and it's just like open this floodgate where we're like literally sitting in meetings with. Like the most important legislators in Arizona Supreme Court, right justices not the Supreme of the State Supreme Court.

Yeah, it was like yeah, the Arizona Supreme Court guy like, you know, like people in the federal level and they're like literally Blowing my phone up asking for help and I'm going what just happened. Yeah, and I'm having to tell them Hey, we'd love to help but I'm also a pastor and I can't do that, right?

Right, so it's been cool. It's been really encouraging. Just it's crazy. So that's awesome. It's so great.

Well, we got anything else before we wrap up here Jason. I don't. What's your favorite kind of cereal? No, I'm joking.

Which I only get at this time of the year and so when it comes out I buy a lot of it.

Okay, that's easy. That's easy. Top five bands. Oh. We're doing everything. Let's just just go. Yeah rush more. No top four. Rush more classical. No, I'm joking.

Top five. I have. I have to put the Beatles at one because they they're poster up. Listen, it's I.

Grew up listening to that all the time and.

You know, it's a big influence me. Beatles. Yeah Appleseed cast really.

August Burns red. Yeah. Oh my god. This guy's a hipster over here. Yeah, I'm a hipster. Stop, I'll see buddy. He was a drone. What? Yeah. Yeah for Appleseed. Yeah, shut up. Yeah.

They're the band I've seen the most serious. Yeah Canes. You like avocados, yeah, I think. I gave you four was that four three three.

That's three. That was only three that was a Beatles app seed and August part is only three. Man 90 pound was oh and.

No, that's not one of my favorite last Tuesday. No, I mean, okay so bit if I had to bring my bands I listen to the most I would also add in Midlake and As cities burn. Wow, those would be the bands. I listen to the most so heavy.

I Dig it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but if we're gonna go genre then I'll be here for another three hours, yeah, right, right.

I did. I did hear your episode for an hour and a half. You're talking music. I think you could have kept going for another hour. Oh, he's. I mean, yeah, man, you brought up so many bands. I was like man, this is so awesome.

Well, you not know awesome quick story. I know I don't know how much time. You guys know we got so we got. We're here to do more.

I just I just met David Bonson for the first time serious face like we've message but I just remember the first time. Yeah, and I was telling him and I've told him before but I was he's he's a busy man.

So I was reminding him like Apology of studios In many ways has is has been indirectly influenced by him. So what I what I mean by that is everything you see somatically Camerawork video work is because of Darren Dome, right?

Yeah, you know, he taught Marcus. Okay, Marcus taught Carmen who does everything though. It's all coming from don't but Darren, you know, I don't know. I Think David was talking about it, but Darren came to Christ through Through David, okay, okay, so David literally led him to Christ and then immediately gave him like Taught him theonomy and post-millennialism and informed that like that was how he is disciple by David.

That's crazy now. I and my wife became presuppositionalists because we were at a Winter camp. So we were I can't we were either newly married or almost maybe got married 21. So we were young. Okay, okay I can't remember if we were married yet or not, but we were at this youth camp and somehow our youth pastor who married us he Somehow ran into Matt Morgenski from the Supertones.

Oh, okay and got him to come teach this thing. Well, Matt Morgenski is a presuppositional. Yeah, that's where I learned that. Yeah changed my life in the way I did evangelism. So then I'm realizing recently that Matt Morgenski is a presuppositions and is reformed and all that because of David Bond.

Yeah, I was gonna. Didn't know David Bonson give him his dad's book. Yes something something.

Yeah, it's all I get all a guy was just telling him. I was like dude like a lot of what you see with us. Yeah. Indirectly because of you because of your dad. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That is awesome, man.

That's kind of a full circle the toy. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, then his talk was amazing.

I know I got I was I heard half of it and then we had to interview uncle Gary.

I have to pick it up. Yeah. Yeah, we got lucky and got Gary over here for a few minutes and he told me that He still hasn't figured out Certain parts of his eschatology and I'm like you have 30 books on eschatology, man.

He's got a couple a couple of her. I know I know. Right, right I would love to know which part which verses he's talking about.

But yeah, I really like this really my new I know you tell that nobody else.

Right, he's like, I'm not sure what color the scroll was. Yeah, right right John wrote on. But yeah, yeah, very cool. Well, yeah, thanks for coming by. Cool seeing everyone all this weekend. It's so nice to be like I said before I said it a million times already on this weekend.

But so good to be around Bible believing Brothers and sisters in Christ that are rooted in in theology and doctrine that is solid based on the Word of God and then to see the passion here and obviously to see Organizations come together.

I mean you guys what you're doing out in Arizona and on Apology Arena I mean you guys have a huge following obviously have a Whole thing going there and sometimes I find in well not so much in the reformed community, but in Christianity as whole.

They it's almost like a competition or it's like we don't associate with this side and they do that over there. To where I really feel like it was so nice to see you know A couple different aspects of the reformed community come together and go.

Yeah, let's support these guys and put this on and you know, and I think the people enjoyed it, too. I mean it was absolutely we were talking to people and it seemed like it was really cool. Yeah. No, I couldn't agree more a.

Churches Christians got a fight right. And this is what you see is everyone here is here because they want to fight, right?

And I don't mean, you know fistfight. He's you know, but she gonna start like a Proud Boys thing on his man easy.

Well, we want to fight for the gospel. We want to fight for freedom and liberty. Yep. Yeah, and I love to death cross-politic they're my they're my dudes and Honestly, man, I could do I couldn't think more highly of them and and Doug and Christ Church, you know.

You know, other than other than the baptism issue. We're right. We're 99 on board with everything else and we're like, you know what? That's not an issue. That's gonna divide us. Sorry, let's fight and let's yeah, you know.

Yeah, let's build Christ Kingdom and and hope that we still have a nation and yeah from now.

The Church as an Advance, Not a Retreat

Well, it's kind of strange how we've gotten into like when did Christianity go on the offense like right I mean you read you read through the Bible both Old and New Testament. It's almost it's almost.

Facetiously, I'm asking it or rhetorically just because it's like that. That's it seems like American Christianity is so offensive kind of like Doug was speaking about when in fact we should be going it.

This shouldn't be a retreat, right? This is a what did he call it? Not a retreat, but a. We're totally mrs.

Should be an advance. Oh, yeah. No, that's that's a great point.

I mean and you guys are definitely on the advance. You've been doing it for quite some time. Yeah, like literally in every arena, which is why we love you guys. I appreciate I mean and it takes and you know, you do get some notoriety from it.

But that's not why you're doing it, right? I mean you guys were out there doing it when it wasn't Killer but we've seen a resurgence and kind of this fool is cool. It was cool. Are you there? I'm not gonna say what I just say right after the pitchforks.

Why. I you know what I'm saying, though. No, I'm trying to give you a compliment.

No, I think. You know Christ said that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church. Amen. What a gates do. They fall they protect. No, they're defensive. Gates are defensive. We for too long the church is done.

Well, we better bar ourselves in our church. Yeah, protect yourself inside the gates of hell. Yep. No, it's the other way around the gates will not prevail against the church because the church is going forward.

Yeah church is going forward. I like that. Start preaching. I told you Yeah. And honestly, I think the problem is that because of badass catology the church has completely neglected the culture. Yeah, because we've been sitting around waiting to get you know, rapture and left our underwear behind and You know, so like the culture has just gone to hell and we're like totally cool with it because we're waiting for better things and right.

It's like, you know, so you asked a question. When did the church become offensive? We're becoming offensive again. We were yeah at one point. We got lazy we're having to become offensive again, because.

If we don't we're China, right? Yeah, China. I call it change Chinese because it's from China. You know, but that's what's gonna happen if the church doesn't rise up and be offensive.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and it's pretty soon. We will be the ones that are. Getting missionaries sent into our country, you know from from China. We have a guy here that said he wanted to come on and talk 15 minutes about met missionaries being sent to Seattle.

He's like no guys. We need missionaries right in Seattle. It's so. He's like no we need met, you know men of God that are missionaries since yeah, I've got oh my gosh, you know.

Supposedly Christian nation. Yeah, you're right, man. No, I've because I've had the blessing of going to Several different countries now within abortion now has it been Australia New Zealand North and Southern Ireland and Scotland.

And Talking to Christians over there they look at us and they're like They've said that like we need to send missionaries back over because they see us and they see our our culture cultures love for Material things.

Yeah, and they see that the idolatry in that. And so it's been interesting talking to some other people like that they had that perspective and when I first heard that I was like Oh Yeah, I was like man, you're right and it was like it was like they didn't do it intentionally.

But it was like a complete condemnation. You know of me essentially in our culture. I was like man, you're totally right like yeah.