September 27, 2005

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix reformed to Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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Opening Remarks and the Call to Defend the Faith

Ag good morning. Welcome to the dividing line on the 27th of September. Seems like it's been quite a while since we got together and it was it was the 15th I believe or maybe did we do on a Friday? I don't remember.

Anyways, it's been a while and Just really briefly a quick shout out to all the folks up there at Moody Bible Institute in Chicago and Especially a nice fellow who was there the second chapel service.

I preached who listens to the dividing line in Madrid, Spain. Yes, indeed. We have a massive growing audience in Madrid Spain my goodness from Italy to Spain. To the deep woods of London, yes. Even have trees there in London.

I saw them. I really did. Anyway, it's great to know those folks are out there. It's always encouraging when traveling to hear folks say hey you. I Listen to the dividing line all the time and that's just absolutely amazing that we sit here and do our little thing and you all listen in and that's that's great, so wonderful time up there.

Got got to teach number of classes. I report this on the on the blog. I got to teach preaching to chapel services and Nothing was thrown at me. I hope I was as clear as I possibly could be preaching out of first Corinthians chapter 1 again and emphasizing especially That that phrase emptying the cross of its power making its empty vein.

How do we do that by using worldly wisdom in our proclamation. I think that is a message that needs to be repeated over and over and over and over again. Because it seems to be the great bane of evangelical existence in the United States pragmatism utilitarianism if it gets tush's in the seats, it works doesn't matter if we've had to completely mute the gospel in the process and that is a Horrific blight upon the church it creates a an Evangelical church that has no interest in godliness.

It has no spiritual depth. It has no love of the Word of God. It has no concern about sound doctrine. And that's why it also does not have any kind of shall we say Concern for developing a Christian worldview and that is why as a result You have such varied responses to well such things as natural disasters and the wrath of God.

There are just so many people today that cannot possibly conceive that The wrath of God is being poured out against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men that God is in control of the wind and the waves and Hence when he brings destruction.

There might just be a reason for it. It might require us to consider our ways. But of course the church no longer calls the culture to any type of standard and no longer Warns of God's wrath and judgment upon sin.

So hey, let's just say it's mother nature. We now have another God out there. That's seemingly is just as powerful as as God himself. It's a it's a real mess. But anyways, we preached on that taught in some classes I just had a great time with the students there did a Q &A for quite some time answered all sorts of questions.

Anything was fair game. We we talked about women elders and we talked about predestination election and and We we talked about just all sorts of stuff and it was it was great. And of course, it was excellent to have my father with me.

Things have changed in 52 years There in Chicago and a moody Bible Institute, but he really enjoyed his time up there. Well today on the dividing line radio free, Geneva airs once again, I Had to get around to this eventually.

Critique of Jack Graham’s Sermon and Dave Hunt’s Outline

I had heard about this sermon a while back I had seen some discussions about it, but I finally took the time to track it down and once again, we have clear evidence of What happens when someone because of their traditions because of their upbringing their background? latches on to Dave Hunt's book and Decides to preach it now.

I'm not sure I may have missed it, but dr. Jack Graham Should have the Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano, Texas. 24 ,000 member Prestonwood Baptist Church. I'm not sure how many actually show up on a Sunday morning.

I was a member of a church at 20 ,000 members once and We were lucky to track down 7 ,000 people at any one given time, but 24 ,000 member Prestonwood Baptist Church, I've seen pictures of it. It's it's pretty Humongous, it's it's a big one.

He's been there since 1989 and Southern Baptist past president of the Southern Baptist Convention 2002 is 2004 and He preached a sermon recently. He'd never used at least I'm gonna take that back from what I've heard and we're gonna be listening to it together.

I've listened to the first number of sections of it so that I could follow the outline out of Hunts book. He should have just I'm just borrowing this from Dave Hunt. He didn't do that. But as far as I know He didn't give that to information.

He tries to assiduously avoid The term Calvinism he tries to avoid using the terminology, but we all know what he's talking about. We all know whose outline he's using and once again someone who can speak much better than Dave Hunt takes his material and The result is well what it always is when your information is bad when you don't check out your sources when you don't Do enough research to discover that the person you're relying on has been refuted over and over again.

It's been demonstrated that he doesn't know what he's talking about. His research is bad. His conclusions are worse and his arguments are the worst of all. You're gonna end up standing in front of a huge group of people and poisoning their minds against God's truth.

And that's exactly what happens here. You are responsible for that and will answer for it someday. Even though you may be completely ignorant. You may just this may be all you've ever heard. You're completely ignorant but when you stand behind the sacred desk when you stand before the people of God as the minister in that place you have a responsibility for what you say and When you rely upon lousy information when you take the easy way out and follow somebody else's material.

Well, that's not going to be an excuse. When shepherds feed the sheep with lousy food that they should have known was spoiled and the sheep gets sick as a result and they're Not as healthy. It's still the shepherds fault.

He says I didn't know and So here we have it again thousands of thousands of people. Who now if they take the time to dig into the Word of God if they study the Word of God or keep running across? All these teachings that are directly contradictory to what they're hearing from the pulpit.

It just amazes me. I I just I Just don't understand so anyway this this sermon was preached recently. Starts off talking about grace and by the way, it's interesting. I I took the time I'm not sure we're gonna be taking calls today.

We're doing you know, unless there's that one call.

But.

We're talking about Calvinism today. So we're gonna stick to that particular subject and if that one call comes in on that subject we'll go there rather than that. We'll just be sticking with this subject today don't want to break it up into a million different topics today.

Anyway, I went to the Prestonwood Baptist Church website and Their statement of faith was extremely Extremely Simplistic but at the bottom it is a Southern Baptist Church. So at the bottom there was the link to the Baptist faith and message on SBC net and it's interesting to me.

I love pointing out to Southern Baptists who take this Dave Hunt Ian approach aside from the fact that you know, if they would go back and just read The early Southern Baptist they would know that this was not a part of their faith.

In fact, I mentioned in passing that when I was up a moody Bible Institute I quoted from PB Fitzwater who was the professor of systematic theology there in my father's study there. There's now Fitzwater Fitzwater Hall right there just just right on the corner of the of the property and it's one of the main classroom buildings and.

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Quoted from Fitzwater an extensive section on predestination election and particular redemption not necessarily using those terms but asserting those beliefs. I quote that in the second sermon on Thursday of last week and I hope folks will take time to get the library and and look that look that up and go.

Wow. Look at that right there, but I like doing the same thing with with Southern Baptists Going to the Baptist faith and message. Section 4 under salvation. Section 4 under salvation sub part a. Regeneration or the new birth is a work of God's grace whereby believers become new creatures in Christ Jesus.

It is a change of heart Wrought by the Holy Spirit through conviction of sin to which The sinner responds and repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Repentance and faith are inseparable experiences of grace and I love that last line.

Repentance and faith are inseparable experiences of grace. Very very true, but did you catch what it said? It is a change of heart Wrought by the Holy Spirit through conviction of sin so it's an external action of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit isn't.

Isn't.

Allowed to do this by our action, but it's an external action of the Holy Spirit through conviction of sin to which The sinner responds and repentance toward God and faith in Lord Jesus Christ. Now if language means anything The sinner responds to what.

To this work of the Holy Spirit. This change of heart wrought by the Holy Spirit, which is regeneration and So the sinner responds to regeneration in repentance and faith which are both inseparable experiences of grace.

That sounds. That sounds like what I believe. That sounds like regeneration bringing about saving faith. Now of course the Baptist faith and message has been cobbled together over the generations and Over the decades and is not fully consistent with itself on such issues but it still reflects its history.

And if you'll go back and read people like Boyce if you go back and read some of the original founders of the Southern Baptist Convention you will see that that is indeed exactly what they believed and so many Southern Baptists have been bequeathed in their traditions.

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Somewhat.

Inconsistent position and. Yet when push comes to shove when you want to start talking about grace in the first section of the sermon he was talking all About grace and all those things, but it's easy to talk about grace.

It's a lot harder to apply grace and to allow grace to actually be sovereign to be perfect. It's easy to say salvations by grace as long as that grace can fail. That's the real issue and so let's turn to dr. Graham.

There's only about a 25 minute segment of the sermon that is specifically on this subject. Let's turn to dr. Graham and once again as we have done many times in the past we interact. We stop and start.

We comment. We demonstrate where the inconsistencies are. We invite participation. I would love. Believe me we we over and over and over again have sought to have interaction with folks. I would love.

But wouldn't it be wonderful to go down to Prestonwood Baptist Church and have a debate in front of the entire congregation on the subject of God's sovereign grace. Wouldn't that be wonderful. That would be just awesome.

Think how good it would be to have all those people looking through their Bibles and studying these things and reading John chapter 6 and reading John chapter 10 and seeing why The Arminian Southern Baptists and Paulo and both are completely wrong.

So let's let's start in with with the sermon.

Human Responsibility and the Grace Offered to All

That is the divine side of Grace, that's not sound too good there, but there is not only the divine side of grace but there's the human responsibility to respond to that grace and. And you know God's gift must be received there's man's part as well as God's part.

The gift must be taken and received welcome and God's grace. The fact that God has given his grace and gifted us does not diminish the fact that he loves everyone and his grace is for all. Paul in Ephesians chapter 3 prays that we might know the love of Christ and all of its depth and all of its length and all Of its height and all of its width.

So just how long is the love of God just how deep is the grace of God? How wide is the mercy of God? Does this grace This sovereign saving powerful grace of God does it include everyone. Well, that's a question today in the minds of some because some people believe that God's love is Selected and by their descriptions and definitions.

His love is seen as almost capricious.

Stop it there. I I thought I had a good recording here, and it just sounds horrible. I don't don't know why I apologize. We'll try to do what we can do to make it as understandable as possible. But certainly sound better when I first got it.

I don't know why it is Has just disappeared there whenever he stops talking it just disappears. But anyway, maybe that's what happens when you convert it to mp3 or something. I have no possible idea. But anyhow as You listen if you are familiar with debating Calvinism.

If you are familiar not with the subject of debating Calvinism but if you are familiar with the for the book of debating Calvinism if you have listened to the discussions we've had before of Dave Hunt's work what love is this you will recognize that no matter what anybody says the source of this particular Outline and the points are going to be made is in fact Dave Hunt's work and that is a a shame because we begin in Many of these presentations in the same way if you notice this the consistency here start with.

The assertion that the Calvinist view of the love of God is such that you will make the Calvinist look like he is An arrogant person that thinks only he has the love of God and he wants to keep other people from having the love of God Etc. Etc.

Never let it be said that what you're saying is God's love. God cannot have redemptive love. God cannot and never would have a kind of love that would save some and not save all. Either God has to try to save everybody equally or God's going to save no one at all that is this the underlying assertion that is being made and So start with that and try to poison the well get as much of the emotion going as you can possibly get going.

So that when you get to other Sections where you're going to be skipping around verses and you're not going to be looking at context and you're going to be using things Exegetically you've already got the audience on your side.

You've already got people thinking these. Whoever he's talking about here and he's going to be very sort of secretive there, you know, whoever he's talking about here. It's much easier to not name names.

Let's let's not name anybody. Let's not talk about R. C. Sproul or John MacArthur. Let's not talk about Anyone the past the Southern Bapst Convention who believed these things and founded institutions based upon these truths, etc. Etc let's just be very very vague and there's there's these people out there and see the effectiveness of that is then when you encounter sound teaching.

And.

All of a sudden that that vague group of people that you've been warned about by by by Pastor Graham all of a sudden it takes on a face and you're Automatically, this is this is how you you in essence immunize people Against reformed theology.

This is how you immunize people against Calvinism. Quote-unquote and it also has the result of. What I experienced when I was teaching at that large Southern Baptist Church. I remember going through Romans 9 one night and After the class this this fella came up to me and we were standing outside actually and he he said, you know, I Had read that passage over and oh, I know you can't help but read that passage.

You know you read through Romans and I thought it really sounded like it was talking about predestination election. But I knew we didn't believe that so that couldn't be what it was about. See, that's what you're trying to do.

You're not actually arguing against Calvinism. I really doubt any of these people would say well, you know. These arguments will refute the best Calvinist and I'll bring the best Calvinists in in the world in here.

And they will be refuted by these arguments. No, they won't they would never do that. They know better. They know that these are our surface level easily refuted arguments and yet they will Basically feed them to the people of God and I do not understand that I cannot comprehend that.

One of the greatest pressures upon me when I'm teaching the people of God is am I? Doing a good enough job that this is gonna stand up because I can't walk with these people every place they go. I can't go with them into the community colleges and universities where they're gonna be hammered by these people.

So I've got to do my work in being a good teacher. And if I'm just giving them fluff that's gonna fall apart at the first serious challenge. I am NOT doing them or anyone else. Any good? I'm not doing them any benefit.

I'm doing them harm. So I don't understand. I I've said many times. I do not understand the mindset. Whatsoever no, I've maxed out the volume volumes maxed out Wave and and play control where it's all she's got.

So here we go. We continue.

Limited Atonement and the Charge of Elitism

But Jesus did not die to give his grace to everyone only the elect now. Let's stop right there.

What kind of grace? Are we talking about the grace that leads to salvation? We're talking about common grace. Are we talking about the love of God that that gives common grace to the lost and doesn't just zap them out of existence the First moment that they sin.

Or are we talking about self. If it grace are we talking about grace? It saves the the grace of Titus chapter 2 is that given to everyone then it's not really grace. It saves its grace. It tries to save right?

Is that what we're saying that this is that the grace that you're talking about is the grace that only can try to save it Actually can't save it in of itself. That's where the questions have to be focused and that's where they almost never ever are Focused because the dialogue doesn't take place.

It's only a monologue on Their side from our side. We try to do the dialogue. But this is the best way we can do it because we can't get folks to do much more than that.

But God has chosen only to choose whom he chooses and that doesn't include everyone and. There is a brand Of elitist theology that is being taught aggressively today.

Elitist theology folks. Where do you think that one came from? Hmm if you want to see where that came from Go back to Dave Hunt go back to the open letter that I wrote in response to what love is this and Then his response when I challenged him on Greek.

What do you say? You're an elitist James. You think you have to know Greek to be able to preach and teach. You're an elitist James. Interestingly enough. He pulled that. That was he pulled that eventually didn't want to try to rely on that because he wanted to try to pretend like he could use Greek and things like that and Hebrew and Hebrew originals to acts 13 stuff like that and every time he's done so he's collapsed.

We just we just documented recently, of course.

The.

Misunderstanding of Greek and Ephesians 2 that he that he promulgated because again, he's just getting this from somebody else. He has no way of checking it out himself, but that's where the elitist comes from.

That's that's where the terminology of elitist theology and the idea of it being strongly promoted. This is all straight out of Dave Hunt straight straight from from the tapes and the newsletters in the books.

In some seminaries and Christian universities in some churches. The well-known Christian ministries a brand of Arrogant theology that claims that God only loves the elect and the rest of the world is without a prayer Without a hope without a chance to know this grace of God.

Now, of course again straw man caricatures poisoning the well ad hominem. Asserting arrogance on the part of people that you're then lying about misrepresenting out of your own ignorance. These are all the tactics that are being used here to attempt to poison the well.

You know. When I say that someone is ignorant when I say that dr. Graham is ignorant of what he's talking about. I then document. I then point out. Okay, here's the mischaracterization. What reformed people say is that all men are under the wrath of God and That no man deserves a quote-unquote chance to begin with and yet God in his mercy and his grace elects people.

Unconditionally those individuals do not deserve it those individuals are enemies of God until God in his sovereign power takes out that heart of stone and gives the heart of flesh and Changes those individuals and he changes them from being God haters into being God lovers.

And they don't deserve it and God does it to his own glory and for his own purposes? And it's totally based upon the freedom of his grace. Ephesians chapter 1 the praise of his glorious glorious grace.

But they won't they can't represent that because that rings too true that that's too biblical. And so you have to throw these straw men out there. And so I say he's ignorant. He's misrepresenting. I demonstrate it.

That's not what reformed people believe. I don't have to misrepresent what he's saying. I can quote him. I can just let him plug and play his whole sermon and sit back and respond to each point. They can't do that in response because when you don't when you have only tradition and you don't have scripture.

This is what you have to do. You have to misrepresent the position so that it doesn't ring true as scripture. And then when you go to scripture, you're gonna need to hop skipping around. You're not going to be able to walk through a passage exegetically do it properly.

You're gonna have to hop skip around and you're gonna have to string it together on your on your traditional clothesline. That's the clothesline. That's the only way you can do it. And that's what we have going on here.

And.

So you poison people's minds and you're poisoning them against God's truth. You're poisoning against the very things that would give them the foundation For being able to live the Christian life in the proper fashion.

I Believe that anyone in fact will indeed Be accountable for this kind of action and I would not want to be in that position.

And this Perverted form and theology this hyper view of the grace of God is an abuse of scripture.

Okay, now it's perverted. And it's an abuse of scripture. Well, okay, let's. Anyone want to you know put a little wager here on? Whether what we're going to hear is an in-depth discussion of John 6 Ephesians 1 Romans 8 and 9.

Is there going to be an exegetical discussion of the golden chain of redemption? Is there going to be a dis a real exegetical discussion of what of the nature of man all the inability? Passages the incapacity passages John 6 John 8 they cannot hear.

Is there going to be discussion of those passages in the Old Testament Quoted in the New Frequently about God blinding and all you know causing not to hear and all these. Is that what we're gonna hear or What we're gonna hear is another Isagetical pull.

2nd Peter 3 9 Matthew 23 37. 1st Timothy 2 4. String them together with a few choosy this day things that have complete context have nothing to do With what we're talking about and put together and call it theology.

Well, you can sort of guess what's coming.

It is a perversion of the promises of God and it is slanderous to the very nature and.

Character of God. Now, where did you get slander of the character of God straight from? Dave hunt. Straight from Dave hunt. There's where it's coming from and I I think at this point. This is so close to quoting hunt that he should at least have the temerity of Of saying quote quote unquote Dave hunt page blah blah blah of the book that I'm copying from.

God's sovereign the sovereignty God's grace does not diminish His love for all people. For the grace of God has appeared.

To all that's what the scriptures said. Oh, whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa, the grace of God has appeared all. What is that Titus chapter 2? What does it say and it teaches us to deny ungodliness. Are all men taught to teach to deny ungodliness by this grace of God.

Which by the way, it says saves. Let's be consistent here. It doesn't say which makes salvation possible. It says which saves. Saving grace does teach us to deny ungodliness. That's why it's saving grace.

It's given to the elect to say that's given to every Muslim is To make a mockery of Titus chapter 2. So who's perverting the scriptures here? Who's manhandling the scriptures here on the basis of tradition?

That is the question all means all.

Oh, there we go. We're going to see in numerous all means all the next few moments. Yes, here we go, but there are three primary reasons that I reject this kind of prideful elitist theology. That teaches the grace of God is only for a few and not given as a possibility to all.

And notice there's there the grace of God is only for a few. Of course, we talked about the sand of the sea, but hey, let's not worry about what we actually say. And then what was that last one a pass possibility?

This is this is what the promises of God are a possibility. Notice the odd conjugation here of somebody else who've been reviewing on the blog Paul Owen. Possibility the promises of God. Reduced down to well, it's possible that Jesus will save all those given to him, but not really.

It's just that he wants to. He's not going to because there's these apostates because we're only talking about those who are baptized. Blah blah blah blah. Paul Owen or. Now you have dr. Graham and dr. Graham.

The promises of God become a possibility. It's possible. You might be saved. It's possible. Christ might be a perfect Savior, but only if what? Only if you allow him to be you enable him to be a good fourth-generation management terminology there.

That's what you've got going on folks, and you if you're sitting there going, but this is so clear. Why can't more people see it? Because sadly most of people listening to this. This is the only theological discussion or or Anything that they're going to encounter in.

Their in the entirety of their lives. Remember most Southern Baptist Sunday schools. I was there believe me. I've told the story before large Southern Baptist Church. I'm trying to teach in the adult Sunday school class trying to teach in Romans.

We're only get we're given one session to cover Romans 9 10 11. And so I saw that coming and so I rearranged some things so I had a little more time could actually try to do something.

And.

Then after you know, I'm told by the leadership of the church after I've done this The mindset you have to have every time you teach every Bible study is that this is the first time Every single person in front of you has ever been in Bible study every week.

Baby steps every week never build never grow never challenge. Infant milk every single week. There's no place for mature Christians here. That's not what they said, but they said every week first time that everyone's ever been there Couldn't do it.

Couldn't do it, but that's what most of these people are facing so they're never gonna. They're never getting a situation Where they're gonna be in a Bible study class if someone's gonna say well, you know contextually.

That's not what this text is saying. Titus chapter 2 isn't saying that I Mean read it. Let's let the words actually speak for themselves doesn't happen and So that's why they don't see it. That's why they don't know.

It said that's pastor Graham. I can't question pastor Graham. Pastor Graham. He's that look at this church. God's built here. He must be right. Oh What a tremendous Responsibility To stand before the people of God and do that.

Oh my and.

Limited Atonement, Particular Redemption, and the Meaning of “All”

Reason number one is the character of God.

Isn't that the first of hunts reasons? Yep think he's fallen pretty much straight down line here some teachers.

I mentioned that Jesus didn't die for everyone only the redeemed and this is called in this system of theology limited atonement.

Now isn't it amazing if you were actually going to try to present a serious? Critique of reformed theology, would you start with particular redemption? Would you start with limited atonement? Why does limited atonement exist?

Well because of pre-existing biblical beliefs regarding the absolute sovereignty of God and That means his his perfect right of kingship to do with his creation as he sees fit. Which includes his divine decree over the actions that take place in time now.

I get the feeling that dr. Graham might pay some lip service that but when you really boil it down to is God sovereign over the affairs of men including sin that he would say no that he would be a freewheeler that he would go for the autonomous libertarian free will position and Therefore he would disagree there.

So if you're going to disagree the system, don't you disagree at the foundation point and then also you have the concept of The depravity of man and The deadness of man in sin, which is clearly central to what we're talking about here man's ability to respond, etc, etc.

You'd have to start there right and then you have unconditional election and you have you've got all this stuff that's comes beforehand. So why in the world jump to this for only one reason? Emotional impact not for theological truth not to communicate anything.

It's actually to help these people but to get their emotions going. But what does it mean may I ask? When you are willing to treat the doctrine of the atonement in Such a fashion is to use it just simply to inflame people's emotions.

Should there be anything else that we discuss in Scripture that should be handled with more care than that. Good question. Good question.

Limited atonement. That is the effect of what Christ did upon the cross. His grace and dying for us and pouring out his life for us on the cross is limited to only the.

Chosen.

Now really. Shall we talk about? Substitution. Dr. Graham, what does substitution mean? What is substitutionary atonement mean. For whom does Jesus substitute? What does it mean that he takes the wrath of God.

For whom does he take the wrath of God dr. Graham. Does he take the wrath of God for those who are going to be under the wrath of God for eternity? Does he do so dr. Graham? You see those are the questions that would be asked in debate and those are the questions.

Those are the questions that people don't want to be asked in a public forum. That's why you don't see dialogues. That's why you don't see people. Extending the opportunity to come and and discuss these things openly because the fact the matter is when you can get into a conversation.

And you can allow for cross-examination. The Bible and its teachings are very compelling. Very compelling indeed, and I think they must know this. They just must know this or there be no reason if they're really convinced what they're saying is true.

They would not in any way shape or form fear. Debate and dialogue. If they're really convinced that this perversion this arrogance is wrong. Then isn't the responsibility of the elder in the church to refute those who contradict and Refute what they're actually saying.

Not what you would like them to be saying. And everyone else is predestined to hell and to judgment.

Everyone else all were predestined to hell and judgment because all are sinners. The question is how do you get out of being the fallen son of Adam under his condemnation, dr. Graham. And. From your perspective evidently God joined everybody to Christ and yet Christ's death is going to fail to bring about the salvation of those individuals.

Isn't that the case? Dr. Graham? Isn't that what you're saying? If that's really what you're saying, why not say it.

Openly.

Only those they say who are predestined for eternal life Are recipients of the grace of God and the power of the cross? The good news is only the worst news to those who are unchosen.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Once again more straw man argumentation. More straw man argumentation. We do not know the identity of the elect. Dr. Graham. That's why we proclaim the gospel to every creature and we don't have to play with the gospel.

We don't have to edit the gospel. We don't have to worry about offending Christ sheep with his voice. So we proclaim the good news and it becomes good news. To whom are you saying that the gospel is good news to everybody.