While completely rejecting the authority, the word of God, said the Bible clearly teaches, the doctrine of election, it teaches that God chooses a particular people, and he does so on the basis of grace, not anything that they have done, and he is an atheist, he doesn't believe any of that is true, but the words on the page, are understandable, and so when we talk about man's inability, to understand spiritual things, we're not talking about, the fact that they can't understand, what the doctrines are, we're not saying because they're dead in sin, means they have no action, they're not taking any actions whatsoever, obviously what we're talking about, is understanding in the epinosis concept, not just gnosis concept, that is taking in and acting upon knowledge, taking in and acting upon understanding, having faith in what you are reading, and having that faith change the way that you live, so in our day, anyone who picks up the Bible, can read Matthew chapter 19, verses three through seven, and realize that Jesus taught the gender binary, said it was God's creative intention, and that he blessed a male female, one man one woman relationship, and that's what he defined as marriage, you don't have to have the Holy Spirit, to read those words and go, yeah that's what the words mean, you don't have to read Greek, you can just read the plain old words in English, and come to conclusion that's what that means, but apart from a change to nature, apart from being a person who is now indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and who desires to do what is pleasing to God, I'm not gonna live my life, and lose my personal fortune, or house or cars or whatever else it might be, out of a commitment to the truthfulness, of who Jesus was, and that he has the authority to define these things, when the Biden regime comes along, and says you're gonna lose all of it, unless you bow down, and say that these two men over here, are married in the same way, as you've been married to your wife for nearly 40 years, so there's a difference, in spiritually appraising, and understanding and acting upon divine truths, that I thought most of the debate was wasted honestly, just trying to get around to, that particular aspect of understanding, what we're even talking about, when we talk about the inability that arises, from our fallen nature, we're not saying that man does not respond to God, he does in rebellion, all sorts of different kinds of rebellion, but the one thing he cannot do is respond in submissiveness, that's what Paul says, because that's doing good in the sight of God, who knows the motivation of the heart, so to do that kind of good, not able to do so according to Romans chapter eight, and so that's something that I think will come out, but one of the things that really frustrated me, was first Corinthians, was just run all over the place, for quite some time, without recognizing what came before it, and if we recognize what came in the sentences, before the discussion of the natural man, it would have shed a tremendous amount of light, on the applications that were being made, because the limitation, that was being presented, in essence in the discussion by Mr. McGrew, was that all that's being said, in first Corinthians chapter two, is that there were certain, individuals in Corinth, that were so sinful, that they had turned their minds over, to the pursuit of fleshly pleasure, and things like that, and they are the carnal ones, they are the natural man, it's literally the soulish man, and that not all, of the Corinthians, were like that, that they're unregenerate, but non soulish men, so there was some discussion about that, but unfortunately, the sentences that came right before it, got ignored, so could we look at them briefly, I don't wanna spend too much time, the program's been going, for quite some time already, and Rich is holding everything together, with bailing wire and toothpicks now anyways, so try to go through it here quickly, but here's where it should have gone, here's where the discussion should have gone, Colossians chapter one, four, let's go ahead and do the thing here, the message, the logos of the cross, the message of the cross, so we would call it the gospel message, whatever you wanna, but it is a logos, it is a message, that is defined by the staros, the cross, the message of the cross, and then you have two, and then you, those of you know Greek know, men day, men day, is to the one, and then on the other hand, so you have two different groups, and they're gonna be in contrast with one another, so to, those who are perishing, to the perishing ones, that message, is Maria, Maria, and what is Maria?