Defending the Faith: Foundations

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Well, good evening. I really love that hymn. It brings back memories. I grew up in Canada, still live there, but I attended a largely

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Dutch Church, and I could still remember as a kid listening to everybody in that church sing on Christ the solid rock

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I stand. I used to love listening to that. But it's been a real honor to be able to come and speak with you here this evening.

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Listening to my brother speak yesterday, I couldn't help but think, what am I doing here? And hopefully by the end of my talk you don't think the same thing.

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My only consolation was that the conference is free. And no, I won't be reimbursing anybody their gas money.

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I am Dutch. So tonight I'm speaking with you about the ultimate authority of God.

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Now I trust that most of you here are Christians, and if you're Christians, God is your ultimate authority. That is the final arbiter as to what is true and what is false.

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And if you attend a Bible -believing church then the ultimate authority in your church is

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God. You see we open our Bibles and we read in Genesis 1, in the beginning,

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God. We read in Psalm 19, the heavens declare the glory of God.

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We read throughout Scripture that Jesus Christ is Lord. We read in Romans chapter 8,

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For I am sure that neither death nor life nor angels nor rulers nor things present nor things to come nor powers nor height nor depth nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our

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Lord. See we read those things and we believe those things because in the

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Bible and in our church, God is the ultimate authority. But then a very odd thing happens.

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We go into the world and we don't say, in the beginning, God. We say, in the beginning, there must be some prime mover.

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And it very likely is the God of the Bible. We don't say, the heavens declare the glory of God.

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We say, every building needs a builder, and that builder looks very much like the God of Christianity.

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We don't say, Jesus Christ is Lord. We say, liar, lunatic, or Lord, and we have some very good evidence that he is

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Lord. We don't say, nothing can separate us from the love of God. We say, God very likely exists.

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The problem is, if God only very likely exists, you cannot say, nothing will separate me from the love of the

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Father. See in church, God is our ultimate authority. In the world, for far too many

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Christians, man is the ultimate authority. Brothers and sisters, that needs to change.

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Now for those of you who do not know me, my field of specialty is apologetics. I'm actually a boiler operator by trade, so it's kind of weird to say that.

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However, I teach apologetics. Apologetics is being, it's called, it's a reasoned defense of the truth of Christianity.

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It comes from the Greek word apologia, which means to give a defense. If you were accused of a crime in ancient times, in court, you would give your apologia.

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Now according to 1st Peter 3 15, we are commanded to honor Christ as Lord, and always be ready to give a defense of our faith.

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So if I asked you right now why you were a Christian, and you said,

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God took out my heart of stone and gave me a heart of flesh. That would be the cause of you being a

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Christian. But it wouldn't be the reason, and it wouldn't be apologetics. If I asked you why you were here today, and you said, well,

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I got a ride, or I took the bus, or somebody dropped me off, that would be the cause of you being here, but it wouldn't be the reason.

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So, apologetics is a reasoned defense of the truth of Christianity.

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So if you asked me why I was a Christian, quite simply, I am a

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Christian because Christianity is true. And I said, as I said,

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I'm called an apologist, and I believe it's my calling to give a reasoned defense of the truth of Christianity, and to teach others how to do so.

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I submit that the reason apologetics is suffering in our day is because Christians have given up the ultimate authority of God when we defend our faith.

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You see, we read in Romans chapter 1 that everyone has sufficient knowledge of God for their condemnation to leave them without excuse.

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And then an unbeliever comes out to us, and they say, well, they don't have enough evidence for God. And what do we do?

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We believe them. God says they have enough evidence. They say they don't, and we believe them.

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And in effect, we say that God lied. Now, I'm gonna use some strong language here.

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It's biblical language, so please forgive me in advance, but I'm not a married man. But imagine that I was a married man, and my wife was standing beside me, and somebody came up to me and said,

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Cy, I believe that your wife is a whore. Would I say, well, last night we were out at dinner, so I don't believe my wife was walking the street last night.

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The night before that, she was at women's Bible study, so I'm pretty sure she wasn't walking the street that night. The night before that, she was at her parents house.

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So I don't think my wife was walking the street. I do not believe that my wife is a whore. Would you say that? No. You'd say, buddy, that's my wife you're talking about.

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You had better be careful with the next thing that comes out of your mouth. But somebody comes up to you and says,

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I don't believe in God, or I believe that Allah is God. They just called our

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God a liar. We say, here, let me give you some evidence. Here's the question.

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What is more dangerous to that person, to come up to you and say your wife's a whore, or your God is a liar?

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Sadly, it's more dangerous for the person to insult your wife than to insult your God. Would you say to that fellow, you know, you make a valid point that my wife might be a woman of the night.

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I'd better go to the bookstore. Yeah, do you have any books that can help me explain, you know, to my friend here that Brenda's not a whore?

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Yes, sir, the back four shelves. Right, right back there. Now, I understand you laugh.

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Go to your Christian bookstore. Evidence for God. Evidence that God is not a liar.

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Somebody calls your wife a whore. You know, it's funny you should say that. I'm taking the wife and the kiddos to the

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My Wife is Not a Whore Museum off of I -95. Would you like to come with me?

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Brothers and sisters, that's what we have. Trying to prove to people that God did not lie. Now, I'm not opposed to evidences for God.

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If you want to plant a garden to exalt the beauty of your wife, go nuts. But don't plant a

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My Wife is Not a Whore garden. If you want to have a museum about the greatness of God, go crazy.

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But do not market it in a way to prove to people that God didn't lie. Here's another example.

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Let's say you work for a king in his huge castle. And you're standing up on the wall and somebody across the moat.

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The king is a scoundrel. Oh, I'm sorry you feel that way, sir.

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Let me lower the drawbridge and come into the drawing room. We're gonna have a debate. You can argue that the king is a scoundrel and Percival here will defend the dignity of the king.

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Would you do that? I think it would be more like, I'm not saying that we must not engage unbelievers.

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But we must do so in a way that honors the king. You see, most of my life when a person said they didn't believe in God, I did not honor my king.

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I would deny what God said in his word. I didn't do it openly. But in effect, I denied what

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God said in his word that they already know. And I would give them evidence. Now here's the question.

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Where do you most often hear evidence in court? For those people who have seen my film, you know the analogy I use, but I think it's an appropriate analogy.

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Where do you hear evidence out in the world? You hear it most often in court, in the court of law. Who do you give evidence to in court?

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The judge and jury. Somebody comes up to you and says, I don't believe in God. And you give them evidences.

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Who are you saying is the judge and jury? Them. And in what seat in that courtroom do we place the

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Lord of Glory? We put him in the criminal's box. And we play

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God's defense attorney in the unbeliever's blasphemous courtroom. Now the thing is,

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God has given us wonderful evidences. I love evidences. I'm a Christian. We can acquit

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God. But then who's the judge? That person might say, you have convinced me on my terms that God exists.

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He's still the judge. Now God can use evidences to rightly save a person. But if a person tells me they're a

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Christian because of the evidence, that's problematic. I would ask them, what evidence would make you no longer a

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Christian? And if they give me some evidence, I would question their testimony.

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No evidence could make me no longer a Christian. As you'll see later, God is necessary for evidences.

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Try this sometime. When somebody says to you they don't have enough evidence for God, ask them, what evidence would convince you of the

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God who says you already have enough evidence? And if they give you a piece of evidence, they didn't understand the question.

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What evidence would convince you of the God who says you already have enough evidence? No evidence could convince you of that God.

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It's not an issue of evidence. It's a heart issue. You see, no one becomes a

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Christian and says, well, what do you know? There is a God. People do not go from unbelief in God to belief in God.

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They go from suppressing the truth to professing it. See, Romans 11 .36

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tells us that from God, through God, and to God are all things. All things include logic, science, reason.

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All things. Now, God is necessary for all those things. And most

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Christians want to hand those things to the unbeliever so that they can argue against the

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Lord that we adore. I use the example of two countries going to war.

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And one country has all the weapons and ammunition. When does that war start? When that country gives the other country some weapons and ammunition.

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Brothers and sisters, I will not do that. Jesus Christ owns science. Jesus Christ owns logic.

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Jesus Christ owns morality. He owns reason. I will not hand those things over to haters of Jesus Christ so they can use them to argue against Him.

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You see, brothers and sisters, we need all those things. Truth, logic, knowledge, uniformity of nature to be able to reason.

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We don't use those things to reason to God. God is necessary for all of those things.

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You see, God is not a God that we can reason to. He's the

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God that we can't reason without. Most of my life

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I was what you would call an evidentialist. I would give evidences to those who said that they needed evidence for God.

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Now I'm what you would call a presuppositionalist. Someone who understands that in order to make sense of anything, you must start with God.

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Not just any God, the only one that exists, as Psalm 96 verse 5 says. We must start with the

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God of Christianity. We don't conclude Him. We don't merely conclude Him.

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So to further explain the difference between the two apologetic methodologies, imagine that I had a fossil in front of us.

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And we had a geologist PhD who was an atheist unbeliever and a Christian PhD geologist looking at that evidence.

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And the Christian looks at that fossil and says thousands of years Noah's flood. He's a PhD, he's an expert.

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Unbelieving expert looks at that same fossil and says millions of years. Exactly the same evidence, different conclusions.

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Why? They're both experts. Not because of the evidence, but because of the beliefs they take to the evidence.

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All evidence is interpreted according to what we already believe. And what are those things that we already believe called?

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Those are our presuppositions. And what I say is without Christian presuppositions you cannot make sense of examining evidences.

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Now at this point I would normally get into the preconditions of intelligibility. To show how

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God is necessary for all of them. Truth, logic, uniformity of nature. To show why without God you can't make sense of any of them.

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Now indeed God is necessary for all of them. But what I've discovered is that that is not the argument.

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See as an evidentialist I would use these wonderful evidences for God to make it the argument for God. And as a presuppositionalist

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I would use all this philosophy to use that as an argument for God. Then I realized it wasn't the argument.

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It was the foundation of the argument, but it wasn't the argument. Do you know who helped me see that? Women. See I'd be doing a talk like this and I'd get into the preconditions of intelligibility and the men would be furiously writing down notes.

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Okay logic is universal, abstract, invariant, God is universal, He's not made of matter, He does not change. I'm going to go to work tomorrow and crush my colleague.

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And the women were... And I talked to some of them afterwards and they said before I had to learn all these evidences and now

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I have to learn the preconditions of intelligibility. Are you kidding me? I should have listened because that was early in my apologetic career.

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But thankfully over the years God has brought that home to me. That is not the argument brothers and sisters.

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See in 1 Peter 3 .15 it tells us that we must honor Christ as Lord and always be prepared to give our apologetic.

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I submit that if you have to learn all those evidences, all those philosophies and all those other worldviews no one will be equipped to defend their faith.

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What does our ultimate authority say? Jesus said in Luke 21 .15, I will give you words and wisdom that no one will be able to resist or contradict.

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Not Si, not Jeff, not William Lane Craig. Jesus will give you the words.

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Now this is an experiment, I just thought of it a couple days ago and I thought let's say you're about to go and talk to a group of Muslims or Mormons or atheists and you had a time machine.

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And you could zap anyone in history to stand beside you as you go talk to that group. Anyone other than Jesus Christ.

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Who would you pick? Would you pick Jeff Durbin if you're going to go talk to a bunch of Mormons?

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Would you pick Dr. White if you're going to talk to a bunch of Muslims? Would you pick me if you're going to talk to a bunch of atheists?

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Which I wouldn't recommend anyways. Or would you pick perhaps the Apostle Peter? If any of you would pick any of us over the

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Apostle Peter, I can't help you. You would probably want to go into that conversation with the

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Apostle Peter. Now here's my next question. If you listen to all the conversations of all the best apologists you know and the argument that the

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Apostle Peter would give, which one do you think you could do? If I was there talking about the preconditions of intelligibility, can you imagine if Peter was going into that crowd of Mormons or atheists and said,

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Peter, hit him with the preconditions of intelligibility. He'd probably say, what are you talking about, man?

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I walk with Jesus. We can defend our faith if we honor

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Jesus Christ as Lord. You see Romans 1 .16, it says, the gospel is the power of God unto salvation.

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In John 10 .27, Jesus did not say, my sheep here sigh is really good argument. He said, my sheep hear my voice.

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And when his disciples were leaving him in John 6, and Jesus said, are you going to leave me too? They did not say, to whom shall we go, you have such a good argument.

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He said, you have the words of eternal life. But sigh, if I reason from the

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Bible and they don't believe the Bible, they're going to think I'm nuts. They might.

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So what? That's a story that my friend Jeff Rose told.

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And I think it's morphed over the years, so he's not that confident with all the details in it. And I think I tell it better than he does now.

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But I think it's very appropriate for this topic, so I'm going to share it with you. He was invited to go deer hunting a number of years ago, bow hunting.

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And Jeff considered himself to be quite athletic, so he figured he'd be a good bow hunter, although he'd never done it before.

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He was going to show off to his friends, so he bought the nicest bow, the nicest arrow, the Sidewinder arrowhead, he bought a camouflage outfit and a tree stand.

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And they went out deer hunting. They set up their tree stands about 100 yards apart. And they're out in the tree stand all day.

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Nothing. It's just starting to get dark and he hears a crash at his friend's tree stand. And he said, either he fell out of the tree stand or he got a deer.

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He didn't want his friend to get the deer, he wanted to get the deer. But he figured, oh, I better go over there, make sure he's okay.

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So he walks over to his friend and his eyes are wide like this. He says, I got one! I got one! Jeff says, where?

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He says, over in that tall grass over there. So Jeff goes over to that tall grass to look for this dead deer.

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Looking through the grass, finds the guy's arrow. He said, you missed, pal.

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You missed. I got your arrow right here. He says, I didn't miss. He says, that arrow went clean through it.

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Through the ribcage, through that deer's heart, 70 yards down that path, that deer is going to be lying there dead. And sure enough, they go down that path, there's that deer lying there dead.

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And you're here talking to your colleague at work and you pull out a Bible verse. And he says, you're nuts. Brothers and sisters, you didn't miss.

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God's word is sharper than that arrow. It's sharper than a two -edged sword. That person might have his head on his pedal 70 yards down the road.

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You didn't miss. Do not shy away from using the word of God. That is the power of God unto salvation.

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You see, brothers and sisters, there's two types of people in the world. There's sheep, those who will end up in heaven.

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And there's goats, those who will end up in hell. But one thing the Bible never says is that goats become sheep.

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Jesus said, my sheep hear my voice. Now, we don't know who the goats and sheep are, so we treat everyone like a sheep.

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And what do we do? We give them sheep food. The gospel. And if they reject it,

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I mean, except for our concern for their souls, who cares? But what do

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Christians do? Let me sprinkle some goat food in there. Let me change the message because they're rejecting it, they think

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I'm nuts. Do not change the message. Give them sheep food.

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Brothers and sisters, apologetic is easy. Read your Bible. Believe what it says.

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When it says that everyone knows that God exists, believe it. So, how do you talk to somebody who says there is no

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God? Well, I wasn't evidential most of my life. And then

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I became presuppositionist. I believed what the Bible said, that everyone knows that God exists. And I went to dinner with a friend of mine.

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And we sat down, we just got to the restaurant. He said, Sai, the thing that I hate most about you is how certain you are that God exists.

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That's the kind of friends I have. He said, how are you so certain that God exists?

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Six months before, I would have given him paper fragments, preconditions of intelligence. I would have given him all these evidences.

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But I didn't do that. I looked him in the eye. I said, you know how I'm so certain that God exists? Same way you are.

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But I'm following him and you're not. And I don't know why you're not. My friend looked at his hands as if he had to go wash them.

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We had just been to the restroom five minutes earlier. He got up and he walked to the restroom. Do you know why? Because he was crying.

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That might not happen with everybody that you talk to. It doesn't matter. You didn't miss. Do you know who

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I want to talk to? I want to talk to the kid sitting in church like this. Can't wait to be old enough to get out of the house so he doesn't have to go to church anymore.

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That's who I want to talk to. A friend of mine said, I got a nephew like that. Grew up in a

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Christian home. Now he says he's an atheist. Sits on the couch like that all day. I said,

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I bet you his parents are afraid of him. He said, oh yeah. They're afraid that they might say the wrong thing.

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And push him further away from God. I said, this is what you do. Next time you go over to his house.

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Sit down on the couch beside him. Put your arm around him. Say, buddy, I love you. You might be fooling your mother.

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You might be fooling your father. But you're not fooling me and you're not fooling God. I know that you know that God exists.

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And I don't know what sin in your life is important enough for you to go to hell for an eternity. But I want you to know that I love you.

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And I'm praying for you. And if you want to know how to be made right with God before you die, come talk to me. Do you want to go shoot some pool?

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Now he's afraid of you. What a different dynamic in that house. And some of us have to apologize to our loved ones for lying about God.

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For representing something that we don't believe in. For representing a probability. Now what about the cults?

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What about people who say they believe in another God? Well, not too long, again, after I became a priest of opposition.

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I was with the Living Waters crew and we were out in Newport Beach in California. We were 50 evangelists on a bus.

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And I was the first off the bus. And oddly enough, for what I do, I don't like crowds. I'm a bit of an introvert.

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So I walked away from the crowd and this fellow came up to me. He was in his 50s. He was on his bicycle. What's going on over there? He said,

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I don't know, a bunch of crazy Christians sharing their faith or something. I don't know. The guy goes, oh, no. I said, yeah,

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I'm one of them. And he started laughing. And it was a nice icebreaker.

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And then he got real serious. He said, two of my brothers killed themselves. I swore at God.

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I shook my fist at God. I hated God. And then I concluded there could be no God. No God would allow my brothers to kill themselves like that.

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But he happened to have a book on Hinduism in the front basket of his bicycle. And he showed it to me. He picked it up at the dollar store a few days before, underlined, dog -eared.

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He said, this Hinduism, this Brahman, this oneness of being, I love this. I can get into this. What do you think about Hinduism?

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Hinduism is one of the easiest religions to logically refute. But I didn't. I said, tell me.

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Is that the God you were mad at when your brothers killed themselves? You know what he said to me?

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Nothing. He started weeping. People do not go to other gods to find truth.

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They go to other gods to run away from the God that took their brothers. So a few months ago,

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I met a fellow named Cristiano. He lives in Brazil now, but he was a missionary in Ghana. And the circumstance by which

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I met him was just amazing. But it was a real encouragement to me. Because he had found my material through Dr.

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White and through Jeff Durbin while he was in Ghana. And he was praying because he was spinning his wheels, sharing his faith in Ghana.

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And he wasn't getting anywhere. But then he heard a biblical apologetic. And he was going with three

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Americans. And they were going to a small town. And they were just handing out mosquito nets that day. They weren't supposed to be preaching that day.

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They were just handing out mosquito nets. Big malaria problem in Ghana. And so they're going door to door. And they're going down the street.

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And there's this young man. He's sacrificing a bird, a guinea fowl. He says, what's going on? He said, well, there's a girl in our community.

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She was bitten by a snake and she's inside. She's dying. And we're sacrificing this bird to our gods to heal her.

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And Cristiano said, can I go inside? And the guy said, no, you can't. Nobody's allowed in there. But he said he saw an older man standing by the doorway.

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And he said, in Africa, the older people have the authority. So he figured he'll ask that guy. So he says, can I go in and see what's going on there?

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So they let him in. And he walks in with the three Americans. And he says to these people, your gods are not gods and you know it.

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He said, this sacrifice will not help this girl. You need the true sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

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And the Americans caught his attention. They said, what are you doing? You can't tell them that their gods are not gods.

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And the young man that was sacrificing the bird, he said he looked at him like he wanted to kill him. And then my friend

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Cristiano prayed for them. He said, you must repent. And you know you must. And he left. The young man came running after him.

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He said, my father wants you to come back and pray for the girl. And the

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Americans said, are you going to do it? He said, yeah, why not? He said, what if she dies? He says, well, that's up to God.

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So he went back and he prayed for this girl. Two days later, he was in the same small town.

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And that young man came up to him. But now he had three of his friends with him. And Cristiano was a little bit worried.

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And the fellow said to him, can you tell me more about Jesus? And Cristiano laid out the gospel again.

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Told him about the true sacrifice of Jesus Christ. And this young man said, I heard about your Jesus years before.

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But I didn't come to him. Because I have to do the sacrifices in my household. And when my father dies,

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I must become the priest. And if I become a Christian, this will be very difficult for my family. And Cristiano said to him, that's why he wants you first.

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And the guy repented and put his trust in Jesus Christ. He said, six months before that, he would have deconstructed their worldview to try and prove that the gods aren't real.

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But now he went in. And he told them what the Bible says.

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So I had this on my heart for a long time to talk to people who deal with missionaries. Who would come to mind for someone like that?

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Paul Washer. And I thought, I want to talk to Paul. You want to find out how meaningless you are in the

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Christian community? Try and get his information. But by the grace of God, I understand,

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I understand, I understand. It's not like I don't, I understand. But by the grace of God, I got a chance to sit down with Paul back in December.

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And I wanted to tell him, brother, the Bible is enough. You don't have to teach your missionaries how to deconstruct. You don't need all of that stuff.

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Me, boiler operator, telling Paul Washer. And he looked at me and he said, in only the way that Paul Washer can.

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He said, people who do not deal a lot with missionaries can often be very naive. And I'm glad that I did not start clapping.

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Because he very rightly could have said, I don't know why you're clapping, Cy. I'm talking about you.

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Although that would have been epic. But he was talking about me.

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He shared with me that the problem in the mission field was the same in the church. Most missionaries shouldn't even be out there.

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It broke me. I thought that this was a group of people that would not be affected by the problems in the North American church.

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You know, I thought that people would leave their comfort in North America to go to a grass hut, that they will be true

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Bible believers. He said, no, a lot of them are just backpack missionaries. And it broke me. But I should have known.

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I should have known. Now, why should

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I have known? Why should I have known that the mission field is not immune to this? Well, I'm going to close with two stories to tell you why

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I should have known and what the true problem with the church is today. I want you to tell you about a friend of mine named

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Chad Williams. I don't know if you're familiar with Chad Williams, but he's a retired

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Navy SEAL. He used to work with Ray Comfort's ministry Living Waters out in California. I won't tell you the whole story because I know

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I'm running out of time and I'm not Jeff. I love my brother.

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I was crying in the sermon yesterday, so he could take all the time he wants, but I'm glad I got to go first. Chad Williams, retired

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Navy SEAL. And he was, you know, a bit of a roughhousing kid, I guess. And his father was afraid that he would not make it in the

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SEALs. You know, boats in Japan or something like that. So he found a retired

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Navy SEAL to take his son for a workout to crush his spirit. And he found a guy named Scott Helvenston, the

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Navy SEAL of Navy SEALs. Youngest Navy SEAL ever, had all kinds of records to take his son for a workout.

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And Scott had an awful report back to his father. He says, I think your son has what it takes. And so he mentored him.

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He took him under his wing. He did all kinds of workouts with him. You know, the support after you retire from the

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Navy SEALs isn't that good. So he had the opportunity to go back to Iraq as the Blackwaters, a private security team. And he asked Chad, should

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I go? And Chad goes, yeah, go kick some butt. And Scott was quite a famous Navy SEAL, so he had workout tapes.

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So he figured he would use those workout tapes when Scott was in Iraq. One morning, he was going to put videotape back then into the machine, turn the television on.

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But before he got the tape in, he sees Scott's picture on the television. And in the interview, he was quite a famous guy.

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But then it hit him like a lightning bolt. The date of his birth, the date of his death.

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38 years old. The next pictures were his body being dragged through the streets of Fallujah.

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Being hung upside down, burnt by the Euphrates River Bridge. Chad wanted to become a

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SEAL to go and kick some butt. To pay back what had been done to his friend. But in the meantime,

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God saved him. And Chad is now a retired Navy SEAL and he goes around and he does preaching and speaking.

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Now I want you to picture this. I want you to picture Chad out with quite a popular ministry.

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At a restaurant for dinner. And in that group from that ministry was a young man in his 30s.

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And he was still single. And they were joking with him. They were bugging him. Why did you wait to get to be in your 30s to get married?

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And imagine that he said, well Chad's friend Scott gave up his life in his 30s and I wanted to be just like him.

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First it's a stupid joke comparing marriage to death. But he did it at the brunt of Chad's hero.

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Now Chad can kill a man with his bare hands. I imagine if that happened there would have been a fight. I don't know.

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He's restrained. Maybe he wouldn't fight. Maybe he would have just got up and left. But that part of the story didn't happen brothers and sisters.

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The person sitting in that restaurant was me. And there was a young man.

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And they were teasing him why he waited till he was in his 30s to get married. And he said

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Jesus Christ gave up his life in his 30s and I wanted to be just like him. And everybody at that table laughed.

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I should have known. I should have known. The problem is in the church.

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I see stuff on Facebook I won't even repeat it but a t -shirt mocking the death, burial and resurrection of our

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Lord shared by Christians like 55 ,000 times. Light in the eye. But I should have known.

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You see because not long after that I went to a sporting event an outreach. 150 open air preachers and the two lawyers came up who told us where we could preach and stuff like that but he started off with a joke.

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He said there was an old man on his death bed and he wanted one chair on either side of his bed and he wanted an

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IRS agent on one side and a lawyer on the other side and they didn't know what they were doing there and he was dying.

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And they finally said sir what are we doing here? And he said Jesus died between two thieves and I wanted to be just like him.

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And 150 open air preachers laughed and I thought to myself these men are going out in the streets tomorrow and preach

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Christ crucified. If that's funny I do not believe you.

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I do not believe you. Brothers and sisters we must honor

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Jesus Christ as Lord. Beg him beg him to remove that complacency from each and every one of you because abortion will not end when we mock the death burial and resurrection of our

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Lord when we don't know who he is or what he's done for us. And I would ask for one final thing from all of you

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God beg him to remove the complacency from me.