KJVOnlyism, James Snapp Visits St. Catherine’s, Isaiah 10 & Leighton Flowers, Ken Wilson & Augustine

Welcome to The Dividing Line. We are back again. It is Thursday. I'm looking forward to the fact that we've got a little storm system coming in over the weekend. It's gonna drop us a little bit closer to normal 105 degrees today.

I think the normals like 92. So yeah, it's. It's a cooking and then I look and they're expecting snow back east in New England, it's like Okay, okay, and if you're sitting there going see see the Pope was right the earth is rebelling.

I just I just stop and and I think back and it's funny history really helps you here, but if you studied the history of Joseph Smith and the Dating and the time of the first vision. One of the elements in figuring out where the Smith family was Was the fact that Lucy Mac Smith makes reference to a lot of crop failures one year due to June snow well you can find out when that was if you can you they were keeping records back then and So there was actually snow in June in New York.

And you can figure out what year that was and that fits into the whole timeline. The timeline that demonstrates the first vision did not take place as Joseph Smith eventually fictionalized it. But anyway So yeah, that's that's happened before and that wasn't due to man in the 1800s the early 1800s that wasn't because of SUVs that wasn't because of caltoots or anything else.

That was just how things went. So live with it. Anyway, let's start off With a video, I'm not sure if this is gonna work real well because Rich is on the phone, but we're gonna start off with a video.

We are often told that King James only ism the worst forms of King James only ism. We're not really saying you just have to use the King James. Actually, there are many many people that are saying Exactly that and a couple days ago This was posted.

Oh, I'm sorry. Let me see Here. Let me I do want to get this Information correct here. I actually took the time to Enter this in here. So there's the get info and this is Mark pastor Mark D Montgomery Grace Baptist Church in Eufaula, Alabama.

Eufaula, Alabama. Mark D Montgomery is who we're gonna be listening to here and I'll get it back to full screen here. Let's listen to what? Pastor Montgomery has to say Water and hewed them out cisterns.

Broken cisterns that can hold no water. Let me tell you what those broken cisterns are. It's the NIV. It's the ASV. It's NASV. It's the ESV. It's every false Bible. It's out there. That's a broken cistern.

It holds no living water. You say pastor are you telling me that they can't they don't hold any living water just because they change some words or Leave out whole verses or whole chapters or whatever.

They leave out. You're telling me they don't hold any of the water the living water, which is Jesus Christ. That's exactly what I'm telling you. Because it's corruptible seed. Bible also refers to itself as the seed.

And the Bible says being born again not of corruptible seed. But of incorruptible by the Word of God. Hey, listen, if it's got corruption in it, it's not incorruptible seed. When you change the Word of God.

You don't believe me. Look at the book of Revelation. When you change the Word of God it changes God's Word. I Mean how how simple how hard is that to understand? When you say for God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten Son you have changed what God said.

You have changed the meaning of John 3 16. It changes everything. Well, it's just a preference. No it makes it easier to understand. It doesn't make it easier to understand makes it more convoluted. So there you have.

Now, I hope you you heard what was being said there. You have the absolute identification of the Word of God with the King James version of the Bible. Uh, not only do you have a text completely taken out of context to refer to modern Bible translations and things like that but then you have Complete ignore ignorance or just oh he may just not even know that the King James has had different forms in the past that there have been changes and edits that have been made over time and there were different versions and things like that and there are still differences between the Oxford and Cambridge editions of the King James and all that kind of stuff, you don't really worry about it, but still the identification with the Bible as an English translation.

Which did not exist for three quarters more than three quarters of the history of the New Testament. Longer than that when you include the Old Testament that becomes the Word of God. That's why I started off the King James only controversy explaining to people that in the minds of the the true King James onlyest.

The Bible alone equals the King James Version alone. That's that is an absolute equation in their mind and their thinking and you heard it right there. So the incorruptible seed is actually an English translation.

So back in the day, I just grabbed this. This is the Vaticanus Bible. I showed this to you a couple days ago when it first came. It's this is just the just the Gospels, but it's it's a very nicely done.

It's actually big enough that I can read it. Yeah, I can still read it without my reading glasses, but I would probably want to read it without reading. I would probably want to use them. But this is a breakdown of the four Gospels as found in Codex Vaticanus.

Now this would be very Representative very representative of The manuscripts that would have been present at the Council of Nicaea in 325. All right. So what we're being told is That no one could have been saved by this.

Because it differs from the King James Version of the Bible so what. What these guys believe in the Doctrine the Trinity. They don't recognize their reliance upon those that came before them, but their theory.

Which they present as gospel. Basically says there weren't any Christians back then. I don't know how you could have any Christians until 1611. Because you didn't you there is no manuscript That reads identical to the King James Version of the Bible or to the Texas Receptus that well.

That's obviously the Greek foundation of it so. Do they think about that? No, they're this is this is the essence of. Of King James only ism it it ignores the history of the Bible it ignores The text of the Bible and it is only concerned about the modern American context.

I've never understood why King James only ism Flourishes outside of the American South and I don't just mean Oregon or Canada you'll find King James only ism in the far reaches of Africa and I've never understood why.

Because anyone who speaks more in one language should be able to see through this stuff very very easily but unfortunately a lot of people do not but it's out there and It is a regular part of the IFB preachers Twitter feed.

Where that and women wearing pants are the two primary issues that get mentioned poor Poor Hillary Clinton. She gets it gets it there all the time. Okay in the textual critical area. What did I do with that?

Oh there it is. This morning at 8 a .m. Elijah Hickson at the evangelical textual criticism blog announced James Snapp discovers two more folios of 064. Now when I first looked at this there's a picture from up on the hill of St. Catherine's Monastery, and so I'm like wow James Snapp is is how does how did he be?

How would anyone travel there right now is is the main thing I'm wondering about how do you how do you even get there? During the days of kovat 19. But once you start reading it what what this is what this is it's sort of like Jason Lyle Discovered a planet he did but you know how he did it Staring at a computer screen.

Well, how'd he do that? Well, there's all these databases made available publicly. That you can sift through and of course Jason writes computer programs and stuff. And so what you do is you find planets by looking at stars and when the star has a regular Diminishment in its brightness in its luminosity.

That's Considered normally to be due to a planet Passing between us and that star. So obviously that particular solar system has to be pretty much flat on to us for us to be able to see this type of thing.

But we found many many many what are called exoplanets planets outside of the solar system by being able to Chart the the stars and see when they have regular pulsations in essence. That that might fit into the parameters of what having a a planet sort of dim it for a second.

Briefly as it passes in front of the the the star between us and the star. So that's what he was doing can tell he's a whole lot of fun to be around on the Friday nights. Doing that same thing with James snap because what's James snap doing?

He's looking through manuscripts at the VM are the the visual manuscript room out of Munster and He noticed that 0 6 4 in the VM are has gaps between Matthew 26 70 and 27 13 and between Matthew 27 30 and 27 44 says it's only like 14 verses.

That's like a page or something like that. And Not sure how he did this where he was making a catalog and saw the the same material someplace else. Don't know. I didn't read all the stuff but realized that what you he didn't discover anything what What you can do today, which is really cool.

I'm not I'm not putting this down at all. I think it's great that he Said hey, look at that. And hey, look at that. You put them together. Hey, there it is. This is happening a lot. CSNTM has helped a lot with doing so this.

CSNTM is the Center for the Study of New Testament manuscripts as they're going around photographing manuscripts, they'll all of a sudden sort of notice you know these pages look different than other pages and then you start doing some digging around and What we thought was one manuscript is actually two manuscripts.

Where we're a later manuscripts has been inserted into another manuscript and that's why that's one of the reasons why the number of New Testament manuscripts keeps changing is because You might find out.

Well, we thought we had one manuscript here. It's actually two or So that would increase the number of manuscripts or you go. Hey, wait a minute the manuscript That contains these books in this library at this museum That looks identical to this manuscript over here that happens to contain the different books.

Oh, it's the same manuscript it's been broken up into two parts and so now the number goes down because what you thought was two manuscripts is actually one manuscript and Then that's why you have to have Places like Munster then you've got to submit all that stuff and go.

We've assigned this number to this one and this number this one, but actually they're the same manuscript now. What do you do about that? Because what if someone wrote a paper on This manuscript over here that you now find as a part of this one and you reassign this number over this one now.

No one's gonna know which one that is especially if you give that number to somebody else. So this cataloging thing is Very complicated and it's very modern. Because remember we we've told the story before down there in the 1550 Stephanus.

You have The story of what what took place with Beza where Stephanus had what we call Codex Bezae Canterburgensis Codex D. He had access to it. A lot of people didn't know that for a long time and then it was eventually given to Beza and So Beza has the 1550 Stephanus which has references to the letter beta.

Which is Stephanus's beta manuscript, which is Bezae but Beza didn't know it was Bezae and so He thinks now he has two manuscripts reading the same way when it's actually the same manuscript. He just didn't realize it because there was no there could not be it was be impossible to have a centralized Cataloging mechanism to be able to tell which manuscripts are which and so it's only been in modern times.

Where you can have. Well, initially it was microfilm. A lot of these manuscripts were microfilmed many many years ago and if you ever if you've ever worked with microfilm whoo. Remember remember the mimeograph machine?

Oh, yeah, that was about that same level of technology. Yeah, so Modern times great. It's awesome. It's wonderful to be able to do this type of stuff. Congratulations to James Knapp, but See when I first read this I'm I'm trying to figure James Knapp with that Massive Church of Christ beard Hitchhiking through the desert to get to St. Catherine's Monastery when actually he was sitting in his office staring at large print screens.

And track this thing down and that's that's good job James. Well done. But I guarantee you one thing I can guarantee you that James Knapp would rather have gone to St. Catherine's. Yes, because you're probably aware of the fact that the Indiana Jones character was is rumored to have been anyways I don't know if it was proven to have been based off of Count von Tischendorf.

Who did go to St. Catherine's and in those days to get in St. Catherine's you had to ride up in a wicker basket up over the over the walls. So I mean that's called a lift literally and So I have a feeling that That James Knapp would love to go to St. Catherine's if the opportunity were afforded to him.

But that's not how he did this one did it on did it online? That's that's good detective work. And that was just posted this morning. So I thought I'd mentioned that Elijah Hickson mentioned that this morning.

And I think that's pretty pretty cool that that's case one little thing other one other quick thing. It saddens me in light of the Panic of 2020 that's so it's going to be called in future years the panic of 2020.

One of one of our rovers on Mars. And it's this just disgust me. The budget to keep it running has been slashed. So they're just simply not gonna be able to do as many experiments. Even though that it's there.

It's our you know, we already spent all the money to send it there. We're not get as much out of it. Because the budget's been cut. Well, everybody's budget cut. No a Matter of days into this thing we printed enough funny money To run most nations for 50 years and We gave it away to special interests that will never do anything to enrich our lives at all and Just the amount of money that was given to various Leftist organizations could have tripled their budget for Exploration of space but no no it went to line the pockets of the elites and the special interests.

And a lot of you know, whenever I talk about stuff like this a lot of people. Well, we shouldn't be doing any of that stuff. Anyways, that's not the government's role blah blah blah blah blah. Well, Elon Musk and those folks.

I think they're doing amazing things. But they haven't sent anything to Mars yet and we have and You may not know How much of the ease of your modern life is due to the space program, but a tremendous amount of it is.

Not only that I'm just I personally think it is a privilege to live in a day Where we are seeing things That no one else has ever seen. We are learning things that no generation before us could have ever even dreamed of.

Couple nights ago. I got up at three o 'clock in the morning. And went out in the backyard and I set up my scope now, I'm in the middle of a light dome. Can't see deep space objects hardly at all from Phoenix.

It's too much. Well, the air is actually not bad real bad right now. Thanks to the shutdown. But the lights are still on and so it's just you look up and it's it's glows the whole sky glows. It's not and I don't mean from starlight.

I mean from streetlights. Anyway, but if you want to see stars and if you want to see planets stuff that is has its own light source in essence, you can still do that from my backyard and So I did and I'm working on Figuring out how to use my camera with my scope to take some planetary shots and star shots a few things like that and And So I'm looking at Saturn and Some of the the visible moons of Saturn.

Saturn has something like 64 moons of various sizes. Only some of which are visible from from Earth. But I'm thinking about Titan. Which by the way is interesting. Titan is larger than Mercury. So, why is it a moon and not a planet.

Well because it doesn't circle the Sun. But obviously that's relevant to the whole Pluto thing, you know, the big everybody got involved with arguing is Pluto a planet or not. Well Pluto has a moon. It's almost it's over half its own size.

And Titan is almost as big as Pluto I think. But the point is Titan is a huge body visible from Earth and Yet it has its own atmosphere and it's so thick. No one had ever seen No human eye. Well, you couldn't see from Earth.

Anyways, even with the best telescope really. But even when we had flown Voyager by and Things like that. We had never seen the surface of Titan. Until the Cassini probe which dropped the Huygens probe into the atmosphere of Titan and It beamed back before the atmosphere fried it.

It's mainly ammonia it beamed back pictures of the surface of Titan the thing about that I Feel sorry honestly for the many many people who live their lives and never Never turn the music off long enough To sit back and just be filled with wonder.

Because as a Christian God made Titan and and he formed that world and To be privileged to see to live in a day where we have we have Studied God's creation the point where we can actually send a probe out there and see what the surface of Titan looks like from beneath the clouds and We actually have come to understand it has massive underground oceans.

The moon actually sort of wobbles in shape Because of the the the tides of the oceans under its surface. I mean, it's just fascinating. You know, it it's cool stuff. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have I wasn't planning going off on all this but anyway, it just bugs me to no end that Because of the foolishness and I I do believe that time will prove out The utter foolishness of how we have responded over the past literal months that not only will we Learn less in the future, but it'll take us longer to learn what we will learn.

There are all sorts of projects are now on hold. Maybe many that will be canceled and all because of Certain people who have profited hugely from the panic of 2020, all right, I Was I was putting up something called a sunshade.

I'm not sure if you know what those is sail shades. We live in Phoenix and oh my goodness. I Was I was out I had to be out in the Sun and this was shortly after sunrise a couple days ago. Man I I had to have the SPF 100 sunscreen on and I'm normally moving on a bike or running or something when I'm outside.

But you you have to be still on a ladder for a while. Wow, the Arizona Sun is astonishing. It truly is. I know those of you back east right now that are shivering and getting snowed on don't don't get this but oh Yeah, so so I have one wall on The east side of the house that just gets blasted in the morning, you know, just and so I Decided I need to put one of those sunshades up on it because it drops the amount of Radiation hitting the wall by about 80 and yet still lets air through and stuff.

So it It's it's not like putting a blanket on the house. Anyway, so I'm up there, you know. You know doing the stuff you got to do that kind of stuff and just feeling that Sun just blasting away on me and It reminded me We live in the desert here, don't we?

We really do but while I was doing that I was listening to some stuff on my phone and I if I recall correctly This came up Because I was listening to YouTube. So it was in a Sorry rotation of stuff so I Started listening.

I'm like, oh, this is worthwhile. This is worth covering. You remember about two weeks ago we looked at Isaiah chapter 10 and we walked through the text and Talked again about the fact that we have multiple places in the page of the scripture Where we have a sinful act such as in Genesis 50 the selling of Joseph into slavery.

Isaiah chapter 10 the Assyrians coming against Israel and trampling like mud in the streets and raping and pillaging and everything else. And of course crucifixion the Son of God in in Acts chapter 4 as well.

These are places where? Plainly The sovereign decree of God is Guiding and determining what takes place in time. There's no question about it. If you believe in prophecy you have to believe this if you don't believe this you have no basis for believing in prophecy.

You you you can sit there and try to say oh, yes, I believe that Isaiah prophesied the coming of the Messiah. But when you say But that's the only thing that's really prophesied and everything around it was just a free will actions of mankind you clearly don't seem to understand how complicated all historical actions are and the fact is the Continuation of the people of Israel in any means so as to be able to provide a people for the Messiah required control of the situation with the Assyrians.

The Assyrians could have wiped out all the Jews. Wipe them out as people gone. No, no ability to do anything, but God says no. That may have been their desire. But as Psalm 33 says man plans God plans God's plans win but Plainly God then judges the Assyrians so Their intent the intentions of their heart was evil.

God's intention was good so Layton flowers Puts up a video decalvinizing Isaiah chapter 10 so I started listening to it and What was interesting one things was interesting to me is and I'm gonna skip over because at the beginning He has some computer voice thing or I don't know what it was.

Maybe it's a Online thing. I don't know reading from Isaiah chapter 10, but what is strange is They only read Five through Seven now it could be because this is one of the short videos. He's trying to be brief.

It's fine. But that misses the compatibilistic text. It misses the actual statements. It does have it does at least have Verse seven yet. It does not so intend nor does it plan so in its heart? But rather it is its purpose to destroy and to cut off many nations.

So you do have the recognition that God's got one intention and The Assyrians have another intention. The intention that the Assyrians have is what they'll be judged on God. God has a good intention. They have an evil intention.

So at least that's there so you can have multi intentionality in a divinely decreed act. But what was skipped over is the Statement in verse 12 I will punish you through the arrogant heart of the king of Assyria and the palm of his haughtiness and then the the king of Assyria is going on and on saying My hand my wisdom.

I did this I have understanding da da da da da da and then you have the most important verse that's relevant to compatibilism in the text that's verse 15 is The axe to boast itself over the one who chops with it is the saw to exalt itself over the one who wields it.

That would be like a club wielding those who lift it or like a rod lifting him who is not would the whole point of the illustration is That Assyria is simply the tool in God's hand and Yet the provisionist the anti decretalist.

We need to come up with a better term. I think anti decretalist would be good. Those that are against the decree of God deny that God has a decree. Yeah, I know it's found the Bible, but that it just means something else.

Decretal deniers. Well, they would say that they've been decreed to deny. So that's how they get around that I guess. But here you have the very idea their emphasis is to say that That the and and Layton has gotten in trouble for this, but it's the only consistent thing that he can do.

From his perspective and he is he does quote from this text later on. We'll take a look at it's complete misrepresentation. We'll get to it in a second. Is to say that the actions and intentions of the Assyrians Arose outside of God's not only God's will and God's decree but can can only be understood as as being derived from the heart of the Assyrians in no way.

They came into existence apart from God's will. So stuff exists in this universe that God did not intend to exist in this universe, but it's there anyways. And man is a lot of ramifications that a lot of ramifications to that.

But that's what this verse is talking about is The saw to exalt itself over the one who wields it who's wielding it. God is. So who is the active person here? Both. But which one is which. God is the one wielding the saw wielding the axe.

He's accomplishing his purpose. The Assyrian doesn't know that the Assyrian thinks he's accomplishing his purpose. But the Creator and the creation. Does that mean that is God? Then forcing the Assyrians.

No, he's not forcing them to do anything and is only by the presuppositional rejection of the very possibility of a compatibilistic understanding. Which is fundamental to understanding Leighton flowers Ken Wilson and the entire provisionalist group.

This is this is there. This is as much a starting place for them as the Islamic denial of the possibility of incarnation is a starting place for the Muslims. It's presuppositional. That's why you It just it comes up over and over again and it's taken as a given.

It's taken as a given so let's listen to what Dr. Fliers has to say here and Let's compare it with with the scriptures. I I'm thinking I'm gonna have to ask. Maybe Seb Goldswain to to do like a five-minute cool musical background type thing so I can make Videos like this with this nice little music bed type thing in the background because if I recall there's there's music behind us.

Or at least there was the beginning of who knows when I get started here. It may be gone. But I let's take a listen.

One Calvinist apologist. Dr. James White comments on Isaiah 10 saying. Quote in one passage. We have God's holy intention of judging his people through the means of Assyria. Yet God holds Assyria accountable for her sinful attitudes in being so used.

God judges them on the basis of their intentions and Since they come against Israel with a haughty attitude that does not recognize God's power and authority. They too are judged. This is compatibilism with clarity.

God uses the sinful actions of the Assyrians for the good purpose of judging his people.

Now I'm just gonna stop for a moment if God intended to judge Israel When he judged Israel. Not a hundred years earlier not a hundred years later. Could he have done so in latent flowers world. Could he have done so in latent flowers world.

The hiss you're hearing is the high-speed fan on the for some reason the Mac is Is running like anything right now. I don't know why this there may be a hung process someplace I don't know, but it's it's feeling pretty warm and the fan is on full so I'm watching you in there.

It's that's probably what it is. Yeah trying to find the the and it's the the Mac is is not happy right now So Sorry, I got a little distracted there when I'm he's doing this number thing. Where is that sound coming from?

It's coming from the coming from the computer. It's nothing you can do about anyway. Could God How could God have judged? Israel. At the time he desires to judge Israel to bring about prophetic fulfillment.

If God is dependent upon the evil actions of men That are not a part of his decree because remember the whole point of the provisionless perspective is Yes, the Assyrian actions are evil. No God had nothing to do with bringing them about.

Nothing at all. He just uses them when he happens to see them. So where they come from they only come from the heart the evil heart of the Assyrians therefore they cannot be part of the decree and therefore God's actions in time and judging Israel are dependent upon his being able to find somebody to use to judge Israel and So he cannot do this on upon a timetable.

He cannot accomplish things at a particular point in time. How else could I'd like to have an answer that? How else could it be? How else could it be so. Hmm. Oh Okay, I'm sitting here going got quiet.

All of a sudden. I don't I don't know what happened. So I'll back it up here. Did you have it off? Okay.

Yet he judges the Assyrians for their sinful intentions. God's action in his sovereignty is perfectly compatible with the responsible and culpable actions of sinful men amen in quote. Provisionists like myself would agree that God used the evil intentions of the Assyrians to bring judgment on Israel.

However, we do not believe that God quote sovereignly brought about those evil intentions. Thus our view does not bring God's holiness into question or create issues with the concept of divine culpability.

Okay now.

You you say that God used the evil intentions of the Assyrians? But he didn't just do so sovereignly he did so because he's looking around and He wants to punish Israel for its sin but he needs to find some way of doing it and He can only do it when mankind allows him to do it by having somebody like the Assyrians come along.

That he can then entice Into attacking Israel because that's what he's gonna say later on. So the punishment of Israel has to wait for the opportune time for God to find somebody to do it. That's what we're being told.

Yes, I know this this can this meet this utterly means prophecy cannot happen. This is why open theists are the only consistent Arminians and That is why I think if if the Baptist faith and message had not Specifically made open theism a no-no for Southern Baptists I think that's exactly where Layton would be.

I really do it would fit much better. But there he is. So thus our view does not bring God's holiness into question. Why does my view bring God's holiness into question? Well because you're saying that God decreed evil actions.

Yes, I that's exactly what Acts chapter 4 says that's that's a straight-up statement. No question about it but that does not mean that his holiness is in question because he does not put a gun behind someone who's innocent and say do bad things and It's only by insisting Upon well, it has to be one way or the other God has to operate Only in the strictures that I can understand as a temporal being therefore there cannot be compatibilism.

There cannot be the reality of the divine decree and human responsibility at the same time because it it's too big for the parameters I will allow God to exist in that's the provisionalist argument. That God's too big too complicated for me.

Therefore. He must not exist. Or create issues the concept of divine culpability. Well, you have issues the divine culpability again, if you affirm which I don't think you want to but you have to affirm that God knew exactly what the result of All of his creation was going to be you've got the exact same issues.

It's even worse. Because God knew that all this evil is gonna exist he had no purpose for it and had no control over it none whatsoever. There's some divine culpability for you.

But one of you may say Surely Calvinists do not really teach that God sovereignly brings about every evil intention every do they ever God?

Predetermined every tiny detail in the universe Such as dust particles in the air and then I should add here including all our besetting sins.

Yes in contrast provisionism teaches that God allows or permits creation to act freely as Opposed to being causally determined by a divine all-encompassing meticulous decree. So God has no decree.

But he has perfect knowledge of what takes place. So since there's no decree that what takes place takes place. What does take place arises out of the creation? Unguided by God. Unguided by God. Now by the way.

Since we're into making connections with ancient religions. Could I point out that that actually sounds to me much more like the Gnostic understanding? Where God emanates things and there's reactions from God, but there's no divine decree.

But hey, that's easy to do, isn't it? Yeah, okay, so. There is no again No logical way that I've ever heard. To say yes. God has exhaustive knowledge of all future events. But there is no divine decree.

There's no way around the resultant idea. That actions arise in of themselves. They are purposeless. But God brought it about when he created because he knew that was going to before he created. He knew that was going to be the end result.

You see the open theist goes. Oh, no, he didn't and. So they can get around the culpability part the person who tries to hold on to yes. He did know exactly what the result was going to be is Left going.

So why should we glorify him for how it turned out. Because he's not the one that directed it there. Well, he nudged it. Every nudging involves the violation of free will right?

Well, you know. And At times God being all-knowing can and will use men's evil intentions To bring about his good purposes and plans.

Listen, doesn't that sound wonderful, especially with the I Know is that a heart back there? Sounds so nice, you know, yeah, it's a sort of electric electric piano typing. Sounds great, doesn't it? See what's on the screen.

Let's think about it. Let's think about what it means and at times. Not of his choosing. Being all-knowing passively so can and will. When he has to. Use men's evil intentions to bring about his good purposes and plans.

Which are now made dependent upon what is provided to him to work with by the actions of free men. That's the rest of it. That doesn't get expressed. He can't have purposes and plans in of himself. Oh No, he can't.

How could he? How could it have been God's eternal purpose? To judge this generation of Israel that was judged by the Assyrians. How could he do that. Because he's dependent upon the evil intentions the Assyrians which do not arise from a divine decree.

Now I would argue that means he could not have known them anyways. But that's another issue. The point is this position Limits God's purposes and plan his good purposes and plans to what is provided to him by the creature.

Huge cost for this stuff man-centered theology costs us. Not only a sovereign God but a coherent God.

God's wrath is often depicted in Scripture as God's permitting the natural consequences of moral evil. Which is not a problem in a worldview where the moral evil is brought to pass by someone other than God.

Now did you catch that? Brought to pass by someone other than God. So again. The argument being we're not going to accept what Reformed theology teaches and by the way None of this has anything to do with Manichaeism at all.

It's just so just see we'll be documenting a little bit more of that here in a moment but. What this demands is that you cannot have primary primary and secondary causes. Which is what Isaiah 10 is all about.

You have primary and secondary causes in the Assyrians coming against Israel and. In the intention of the one holiness and goodness in the intention of the other sin. Judgment is brought about that's the whole point.

But when you a priori say that isn't possible then you've got to turn the whole story around. You got to turn it on its head. So instead of God acting sovereignly wielding the axe of Isaiah 10 now. You've got the provisionist where the axe is wielding God upside down.

Can sound real good, especially it's got music behind it. Oh, he's doing he's. He's doing the voice I used to use when I would when I would do a program called Candlelight and silver between 6 and 7 p .m.

On KWAO radio FM 106 .3 the home of the great entertainers in Sun City, Arizona. We're during the dinner hour. I would play Montevani and Percy Faith beautiful music by which you could dine. Yes, I can do that too.