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I'm so delighted to have back as a returning guest one of my very favorite guests

Justin Peters who is committed to expositional preaching and equipping believers to biblically

engage false doctrine.

He also received his MDiv and THM from Southwestern Baptist Theological

Seminary and he's an evangelist and a teacher having preached in 42 states and

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at the g3 conference coming up January 17th through the 20th in Atlanta,

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Justin Peters.

Hey.

Amen.

And If you could even though you've already done this, it seems that we are having new

People added to the iron sharpens iron radio audience by God's grace every day.

At least pretty much every day sometimes four or five times a week.

But it seems that every day we hear from somebody that has just discovered the the program and lets us

know How much they are blessed by it.

But if you could for those of our listeners, especially who have not yet heard about you or your

Organization tell us about Justin Peters ministries.

Okay.

One of

the things

these people that

I just named

theology.

These are all false.

And so that's

kind of

what

I'm

most

what

I'm

most

known

for

but this seminar

welcome

crutches and it's

actually a different gospel.

God they have a different theological.

Anyway, that's kind of me

in a nutshell.

I travel across the United States and internationally usually every year.

I have three to five.

Overseas trips and

if anybody wants to get more information

about the word of faith movement that May include things we don't have time to cover

today.

If you go to iron sharpens iron radio .com Iron sharpens iron radio .com if

you type in these names you will get some audio links for

past programs that I have participated in on this program On this

broadcast and the first would be of course our guest if you type in Justin Peters.

You will get previous interviews.

I have conducted with Justin if you type in HINN just like Benny Hinn.

You will hear you will be able to hear interviews with Kosti Hinn who is

a mutual friend of my guest Justin Peters.

Kosti Hinn is the nephew of Benny Hinn and Not only did he by God's grace get delivered out

of the word of faith heresy Movement, but he also is a very

vociferous and outspoken Opponent of his uncle's

theology.

And he does not mince any words and of course he speaks

with a as much of a level of respect and Love and

grace and charity as he can since Benny Hinn is indeed his uncle.

He still does not allow that to Have him candy coat the very

very serious and deadly and damning things that are coming out of his

uncle's ministry and those similar to that you could also Type into the search engine

of my archive John Sampson, that's s a m s o n.

There's no P in there s a m s o n.

John Sampson is the pastor of Kings Church in Peoria, Arizona

and I would love to introduce Justin Peters to John Sampson.

He's a dear friend of mine.

He's a reformed Baptist pastor in in Peoria, Arizona and He

at one time was not only a believer in the word of faith heresies

But he was also a pastor of a church teaching those things and not only that he was a

talk show host locally for the TBN affiliate there in

the Peoria area, so He was quite a or is a quite a remarkable

Example of God's grace and mercy upon even people who are teaching

some of the worst heresies because God has delivered him and totally transformed him and

His way of thinking and has given him a heart for the reformed faith, which he is very passionate about and has even

written published works on this subject of the doctrines of sovereign grace.

But.

It probably would be a good idea for you to give an abbreviated List of

things that are universal or very common amongst word of faith

Heretics because of the fact that we want people to really understand what

what the danger is when you start going into some brief descriptions of the

more Recent names that have been added to the list of those teaching

and proclaiming these heresies.

Obviously, we don't want you to go too far with that because we've already covered some of the or many of the

The doctrinal aberrancies and we want to stick to our topic today as much as possible about the new

developments.

But if you could give us a summary of the word of faith movement.

Sure Chris, well, I tell people that word of faith is not

Uniformity, but a few

said you

would hear some of any kind of

doctor one way.

It's this it is not

created Adam.

He created Adam to be a exact

carbon cup

was a reproduction to

use.

Language in this could stop any conscious.

So he was another Yahweh well

Transferred a legal

God and even to

this day.

Wow.

You know You're telling me some elements of this that I have not heard even though I've done a number of programs on

this.

I did.

I have never heard that out where.

Let me put it this way if any of my guests said that it somehow Escapes my attention, but that's pretty

yeah pretty grotesque.

To think that God could be kicked out of anywhere or anything.

It.

Came in.

I think it was 2015.

Anyway, he says he has this long diatribe.

He talks

about

now God and

he can't do anything down there referring to the earth.

He can't do anything down there.

And then he says People wonder will wonder why God lets those wars go on and then Kenneth Copeland

says he doesn't there's not anything He can do about it.

God.

Yeah.

I mean that there's nothing you can do it.

I mean this

is we are

God's

we when

they

became

the legal God

of

planet and

then

suppose

Wow

and you've

probably heard this I'm

sure

our listeners

have you come

across

one

of

these

people whether

it's

TD J's

or so

you create

your

own wealth

and wealth.

That's why I

say

that's

just a magical tree.

It's far more serious an atonement.

Pay for our sins.

He paid for our sins when he died on the cross.

Yes.

I heard Kenneth Copeland say that out of his own lips where he said God or Jesus Christ is the first

born -again.

Man, that's right, which happened in hell.

Yeah, that's where the atonement took place in hell.

Yeah, I went to a I'm not going to mention the name of the theater because they may have repented

of this.

They may be under new management, but there is a Broadway level

theater company run by Christians and I have heard that many of

their Biblical stage performances are spectacular and very biblically

faithful and I went to one on the resurrection years ago with my late

wife and much of the Performance was in fact biblically

faithful.

It was beautiful.

The stage settings were just as amazing as the

most Highly acclaimed Broadway play as far as the settings and

costumes and so on but they had one element in this play that I

Had a gut feeling must be traced to the word of faith movement because after the

crucifixion of Christ Jesus is tied and blindfold

tied to a chair and blindfolded and Satan and I have

no idea why they chose to do this because everybody else was in realistic costumes

Satan Looked like John Candy in a very cheap comical

devil costume.

They obviously did that on purpose.

Why.

I have no idea why they wanted to make the devil look Ridiculously humorous with the red

horns and the pitchfork and the cape.

Even looking very cheap and it had to be intentional because everything else was realistic.

But the devil is laughing in hell.

As Damon as demons dance around Jesus tied to the chair and blindfolded and they're whipping him.

Obviously that must have some kind of root in the word of faith movement.

Would you agree?

Demons were dancing

on him

and

three

-day drunk.

Wow Jesus.

Never has been in the very notion

of

yeah

get

my

emotions.

Now.

Now backtracking a little bit when you mentioned earlier that The word of

faith movement teaches that we are little gods.

I'm assuming a part of their rhetoric must include Psalm 82 6

Which reads I said you are gods and all of you are Sons of the

Most High.

I'm assuming that has something to do with it.

I know that Ironically, even Jehovah's Witnesses will use that verse to

diminish The identifying of Jesus as God.

They will basically In a paraphrased way say

well, that's no big deal because look at what Psalm 82 6 says.

You know, they they diminish the deity of Christ to

that level of being a god because Jesus was no more of a god than then

Jehovah's faithful children are.

But.

If you could explain that verse for us.

Yes, sure.

This is the

he

proclaimed himself to be.

God made him their view.

Of course, he was affirming his deity and so they were getting ready to

stone.

People

teach

that as a

believe I

believe

it

also

uses.

Judges

were in

going back

again.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, it seems that there is some kind of a connection not that I'm claiming that that is an

intentional connection by them.

But the fact that they believe that even God the Father has a body of flesh bone and blood.

We're not talking about the incarnation of Jesus Christ we're talking about the father.

Being very a quote -quote.

Coincidentally pretty much the same physical stature of Kenneth Copeland himself.

Yeah.

And ironically Jimmy Swaggart who was opposed to the word of faith movement

He believed that as well.

He believed that God the Father had a physical body

and may still do because he's still alive.

So I'm not sure if he repented of that or not, but he he is still.

He has written some stuff.

Right, well, we're gonna go to a break and when we return unless you have

something to Add to your summary of the word of faith teaching when we return we will get an

update on Benny Hinn and his ministry.

Benny Hinn is not a new name in the word of faith movement but there may be things going on in his ministry that are

new or new to at least me and many of our listeners and We will continue

Discussing related topics like the melding of more classical word of faith

teachers like Benny Hinn Kenneth Copeland with NAR the new apostolic

Reformation with Bill Johnson and Rick Joyner and other essential

topics that come under the umbrella of Updates on the word of faith movement.

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And I can readily understand if you are involved in a church that is somehow connected or

identified with the word of faith movement and you do not want to call your pastor out publicly or

Perhaps you're just in a beginning stage of doubting and wondering what you are hearing from

the pulpit of your own church.

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faith movement who is starting to realize wait a minute.

These things are unbiblical.

They're heretical.

They're dangerous and they're damning and he finally Left there as quickly as he could possibly run

from that movement in addition to Kosti Hinn who actually had to Risk losing a

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dangerous names teaching the word of faith heresy Justin is also on the roster of the g3

conference coming up in January January 17th through the 20th

Justin I don't know if you know already.

But if you do, can you tell us about what your specific topic of discussion will be at the g3 conference?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Anything specifically?

Um anything specifically?

No, my challenge at the G3 conference is going to be to try to condense.

One hour that's that's my challenge.

So that's a modern -day miracle there.

It is yeah it really is.

I've done that before so much

to it those little pieces

together

for years.

But I've never been to it

so looking speaking at a conference or attending a conference or speaking

preaching in a church.

What.

Hearing their testimony.

And I

get emails

daily

and you

know.

You wonder why it was pennies.

Why not silver dollars.

At least for crying out loud.

He delivers them out

of.

Sometimes I'm asked well can a genuine

Christian be in this movement and

I give that a Qualified yes, and I

say that.

For this reason what I mean by that is this Someone can be saved

or a new apostolic Reformation or something like that.

I have no doubt that there have been people converted hearing Benny Hinn preach.

Benny Hinn's a false teacher.

He's a false prophet if he's not one in the term real he meets every

biblical criterion.

But I have heard him on occasion one

does get

saved

in a church

like this.

They're not going to stay there Chris, they are not go

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He illumines the Word of God to our hearts to our minds.

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And Once we are indwelt by

the whole obey God's Word and and

then one of the fruit will be

discernment.

Hebrews 5 you cannot be a mature Christian and lack discernment at the same time.

So as you read and study God's Word discernment grow

that new believer with

the

gospel of the

nation.

And I

would include

Roman Catholicism.

You can't you cannot be a genuine born -again Christian and stay

in a false.

System you will leave, you know, I was gonna wait till later to bring Roman Catholicism up, but I might as well

Bring it up now since you've just mentioned it there seems even though the average person

Especially perhaps the average Catholic Knowing how Stoic

and reserved and quiet a Typical Roman Catholic worship

service will be and of course I know that they're not all cookie cutters of one another and

different regions and different countries.

It might be very different, but I think that that's pretty much the mainstream or the most dominant

Experience that a Catholic will have going to a worship service as I did for

the first The first 25 years or so of my life I was raised Roman

Catholic and Although I must admit that the last

The ten years of my connection to Catholicism before I was saved by the grace of God.

I was rarely ever going to church I really pretty much wandered away from it when I was

14 and 15 years old only going on holidays and things but They will not

read a readily see the real strong

connection that there is Between Romanism and the Word of Faith movement.

There is there are many startling connections Whether they

were intentionally designed that way by Word of Faith movement heretics or not the

fact the Focus on the miraculous which is something that even though your typical

Roman Catholic worship service will not have that occur Although there may be some charismatic

congregations that do the fact that I can even remember my mother having a

vial of water from Lourdes Lourdes, France Our Lady of

Lourdes the the allegedly miraculous water There

she had a vial of it in her medicine cabinet.

And thanks be to God.

My mother was delivered from the superstitions and heresies of Rome six weeks before she

Passed away.

She was clearly a she clearly trusted in the true gospel and renounced prayer to

Mary and the Saints and Idols and so on but but there there is a

strong and even even the the modern version of

Pentecostal Indulgences, they don't call them that but they're very similar.

I mean, don't you see a lot of similarities?

You have that's right

now with Word of Faith.

It is I mean

you can't watch TV in or they

start before you'll hear someone else.

Well, he

cannot speak less

authoritatively.

On one occasion

would be

Benny Hinn actually nine

members.

And then later he said he was joking because he knew he was cornered.

And I heard it repeated on the Bible.

Answer Man years ago.

I mean,

that's

just one

indulgence and

get time

out of

purgatory

or time

out

of

purgatory

for

your

loved

one and

Word of

Faith a

teacher or a church.

You sow your seed.

So you really have produced

put your money in pull the lever.

And a cosmic genie you rub

money

a lot

of

over.

It's

interesting

because in my own.

Journey of faith.

I can recall in the 1980s when I started to

visit churches when I knew that the Catholic Church was not where I

would remain and I started bouncing around and visiting all different kinds of churches.

Most of them were charismatic or Pentecostal churches and the 1980s is not that long

ago and Typically back then in the 1980s and I'm talking

here about mainstream Pentecostal charismatic congregations.

They would typically be vehemently opposed to Roman Catholicism and speak against it

from their pulpits.

Now it says not now.

It seems that in the 21st century, and of course, I'm not I'm

trying not to broad brush because I'm sure there are differences with different congregations and denominations

that are charismatic or Pentecostal, but it seems that nowadays it's not only the Word of Faith movement

or adherence of that movement that are cozied up to The Church of Rome and the Pope it

seems that even mainstream Pentecostals are a lot more tolerant and accepting of

Roman Catholicism than they used to be and as I said 1980s is not all that long ago.

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Word of Faith heresy.

If you have a question for Justin, our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

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Before we go to any of our listener questions because we already do have quite a number of them I want to make

sure that we at least begin the topic of the new updates the latest

updates About the Word of Faith heresy and Benny Hinn, although he

is not surely not a new name He is involved in things

that are new at least new to you and I and many of our listeners if you could.

Let us know give us an update on Benny Hinn.

Neighborhood

of them

and I would and

But but

that's domestically even though he's not used to

the Benny Hinn at a crusade He would be renting out the

now he's renting it.

He doesn't have the following domestically that he is and

He's continuing to

do the same thing

continues to people

continues to

pray

seeing

that

Mailed

with the new

apostolic

which

Todd

White is

busy

lifestyle

for Todd White,

but he goes around he's famous for

people randomly on that if they have any pain in their body

in pain somewhere so and He'll say

well, can I pray for you right now?

No, no, whatever part of the body is this command though?

He actually talks to the body to get back into alignment and he does this

and he's and Almost without exception

practically

he'll take

in this

leg to grow legs I

commend you to grow right now.

And as he's saying the leg

mesmerized by

this with any

success Anyway, commanding anybody's but you

can watch a video on YouTube and

Darren Brown Just

got off

the street in the

lingo and attack

not even a

after a few weeks of this training He

takes him out on the streets the exact same thing and the guys not

even a Christian the exact

same area They

got 100 randomly on me.

He asked him if they have pain.

They said yeah, I've got pain here or there and

100 of the time the person claims to feel real relief.

And it's not a put -on.

I mean they really do Feel that but all psychosomatic Chris.

None of this is real.

These are these are mind tricks not unlike

Not unlike that, you know, it's just it's mine

That that's all it is.

If here's my challenge to Todd white and if somebody is Listening can get this to Todd white.

Here's my challenge to you Todd white if you can command a leg to grow Todd white Then I will

pay all of your expenses I will get you a

don't have a lot

of money but I can Scratch it

up.

You go

in

there.

I in those

kids you

go and you

get you.

Dr Michael Brown anyone who would partner with him

coming conference to give these people cover for.

Well, I'm glad that you had the opportunity to vent in a good way.

Now a couple of things just to go over.

I know that Todd white.

Unlike some other charismatic pastors.

I can recall before I Was saved and became a member of a reformed Baptist

Church.

I can remember I can remember once in a while hearing Pentecostal and charismatic

pastors when I would visit those churches.

They would give the excuse about that.

Very thing that you challenged Todd white on.

Well.

People in the scriptures Came to Jesus to be healed and their faith

Had to be strong enough, etc.

But Todd white is different because he as you said, he's wandering around in the in the streets.

Walking up to people.

He doesn't even know doing this, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, he goes up claiming to do it.

And.

I've watched a war

that he gives any.

Anything that he goes up to

you

never hear him.

Genuinely call people to repent and yeah,

he's a cop.

And you know as far as faith.

Yeah.

See if you begin with the premise that it is always God's will to be healed.

If that is if that's your premise if it's always God's will to be healed

Decades some people and the healing never does come then the question must be asked who.

And by definition.

It cannot be God's fault because he's perfect.

Fake theology.

Make no mistake about it.

It is that

all

day long

always

God's

will to be

healed.

He does heal

if

you have cancer or whatever.

I have no problem.

I would encourage you.

It is not.

Pray

that

God's

grace

would be

strength.

Amen,

and.

Just because someone performs a miracle does not mean they are a true

messenger of God or Does not mean that they are truly his children.

And Matthew 7 there is that classic text Starting in verse

22 many will say to me meaning Jesus on that day Lord Lord, did

we not prophesy in your name and in your name cast out demons and in your name

Perform many miracles and then I will declare to them.

I never Knew you depart from me you who practice

lawlessness.

The thing that's interesting Fascinating to me about that text is that Jesus does not say no you didn't

you didn't do that.

He didn't he never he never denied that the miracles and the exorcisms that they claim to perform.

What do you think about that?

How do you exegete that?

Yeah.

Most natural way of reading that text and is a it is.

And can you see there?

Yeah, surprise.

And in which they find themselves.

Lord Lord.

Did we not prophesy did we not cast out demons and we not perform any miracles in your name?

These people I think are surprised and he says I'll depart from me.

I never knew you.

You workers of iniquity.

That is a sober

asking myself who are these

people rated on Christian television and speaking at these big conferences

and Teaching this this

mean it

seemed to be

Christians talking

about

these

talking about Buddha's talking about Hare Krishnas.

He's not talking about.

Amen, and before we go to the break I don't know if you misspoke or if this is

something that Todd White said.

I Have heard Kenneth Hagen who is now deceased

Say in fact, I heard him say this before I was a born -again believer.

I was Starting to listen to Christian radio quote quote Christian radio.

Because I was searching and exploring and I believe it was because obviously I was being drawn by God and

I was starting to investigate different Christian denominations and so on

and I remember hearing Kenneth Hagen and he's not even as an unbeliever.

I recoiled with shock and horror hearing Kenneth Hagen say.

I'm so sick and tired of you wimpy Christians Begging God to

answer your prayers you storm the throne of grace and you demand what's rightfully yours.

I can still remember him saying something very close to that that even as an unbeliever made me

Listen in shock with my jaw hanging open.

And I knew Instinctively by God's grace that is that this was false that this was a

horrific Thing to tell people to do but but just moments ago.

You said Todd we Todd white Was commanding Jesus to heal.

We did you miss speak or was that is that something he actually says?

No, what I meant was did you did he command Jesus to do it that's what I meant.

No, I if I if I insinuated that no, I've not okay.

He will he would a man.

Body parts.

Okay, we're gonna go

to our final break.

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We have rejoined Justin Peters for our interview on the word of faith

heresy updates involving this movement.

New figures whose names you should be aware of so that you stay clear of them and warn others about them.

And we will now ask some questions from our listeners.

We have Kofi in Medford, Oregon originally from the United

Kingdom.

Kofi asks brother Justin proved Incredibly helpful to me in

my transition out of the word of faith.

Ism as a teenager.

Wow.

My question relates to those mainstream evangelicals who give credence to the word -of -faith guys.

How do we deal with them when people cite them as a reason to listen

to those guys?

Yes, that's obviously a very common thing where you will have people very well

-intended people sometimes these people I think are Unconsciously desiring that

we are more polite and kind and gracious than the Apostle Paul was.

When it when it came to the Judaizers, he was pretty clear that they are to be accursed and and sometimes

you you would think that these evangelicals today who are More on the side of a

mushy -gushy.

Mr. Rogers version of Christianity would want us to be merely just loving and kind and gracious

to these folks.

And of course, it is an act of love to call them to repentance that is not an act of hatred.

But if you could comment on Kofi's comment and question.

Yeah.

Amen. Thank you so much.

Kofi can continue to spread the word about iron sharpens iron radio in Oregon and beyond.

Or Oregon or however, they pronounce it there I'm sure you don't even know since you're in the UK.

From the UK I should say Let's see, we have Joe in Slovenia.

Dear brothers Chris and Justin.

I'm so very thankful that you are addressing this vital topic.

The disastrous effects of the worst of word -of -faith Heterodoxy and heresies are

rampant on the mission fields around the world.

Please address the question of whether or not a consistent word -of -faith preaching teacher

or church at the same time embrace and Consistently apply the five solos of the

Protestant Reformation.

If not, please also give specific examples of how and why these theological systems are

incompatible.

Thank you both for your passion for the true gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Excellent question and Of course, you can claim something and have a different

dictionary for the words you're using.

But clearly I'm sure you agree Brother that Especially solo script Torah is

being violated in this and by the word of faith teachers.

But if you could be more detailed in your answer to Joe in Slovenia.

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah.

Joe, thank

you for

that.

We export

we.

But specifically

no, it's not competitor that

teaches word fake and I go

to.

You cannot hold you.

It's they're

just they're they're

diametrically approach.

Then you

cannot

then there would

be

no.

And if God

is

doing that

now,

what

can

you say about?

The Kansas City Prophets.

Yeah.

Well, the

thing that

is bizarre about

that

is

that

I don't know if

he's still

connected

with

the

Kansas

City Prophets.

But a brilliant Calvinist see Samuel storms, perhaps you've heard of him.

Yeah, he was a part of that movement and for the life of me.

I Cannot figure that.

In fact, I remember years ago.

I was trying to arrange an interview with Dr. Storms on a book that he had

written Opposing denouncing the excesses

in Pentecostal ism in the charismatic movement and Dr. Storm said to me in a phone conversation.

I don't think you want me on Your interview anymore because I've come to renounce a lot of

what I wrote in that book.

So I was I was taken aback by that because he's not your typical zany crazy person at

least.

When he's writing on theology is not.

Can you had you have any explanation for that at all?

Yes, exactly and I'm talking about when I was trying to arrange an interview with him back in the 1990s

on a program talk show that was airing on the station that I worked for

WMCA 570 a .m.

In New York I worked for them and the talk show host Andy Anderson would frequently ask me to book guests for

him and Dr. Storm wrote a book that was actually being sold in a reformed

Book distributor a solidly reformed book distributor and when I called him to get an interview arranged on his book

denouncing the excesses of some Charismatics and

Pentecostals, he said that he denounced much of what he wrote in his.

Denouncing of these of these groups.

Yeah, you're right

View of Soteria, but he is a

Interpretation

now, but I and this

is recent you've seen this.

Sorry.

Is this recent from dr. Storm's?

Ah recent, I would say.

Well, that's pretty recent.

Yes, pretty

means you believe

that all the

episodes but in and

of itself.

Believing that those apostolic

gifts

continue

in and of

itself.

I

don't

want

people

to miss him.

Hey, man.

In fact, there was a an individual that you may I don't remember his name, but you may recall his name or who he

is.

He.

Claimed to have been for At least a handful of years the lead singer

for the heavy metal rock group Black Sabbath after Ozzy Osbourne Left the group

and I saw years ago him on the 700 Club talking about how

he was.

This in the starring role of at least one stage performance of Jesus Christ Superstar and even

though He was a charismatic.

He says that while he was on the stage hanging from the cross that he began to speak in demonic

Tongues before he was a Christian.

So even a charismatic is admitting that he believes that tongues can be demonic.

Where

does in fact,

this is a

listener question right now.

We have CJ from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York who says where does James Robeson

fit into the mix?

I thought that he at one time was a fundamentalist Baptist and then later became charismatic.

Is that true?

And in fact, yeah, Mike Huckabee actually was on the staff for James Robeson.

Mike Huckabee the former presidential candidate who's now a talk show host and.

He.

Credited James Robeson for the birth of the moral majority that Jerry Falwell

Later turned into a larger movement, but if you could where is James Robeson on this spectrum?

Yeah.

By the way,

I also

want

to mention

if anybody wants to find out more about the

new apostolic Reformation.

I did an interview recently with Doug Geivitt and

Holly Pivick Who are the authors of a new apostolic Reformation question mark

a biblical response to a worldwide movement and it was a Pretty fascinating interview.

I don't know if you've heard of that book, but I the interview is very good.

Yeah, I already have Costi scheduled for an interview sometime Next month and I'm looking

forward to that.

And I know that you have a book that is on a different topic.

That we have already participated in an interview Discussing that book if

you could just quickly plug that before we close with more relevant.

Topics in

regard

to our

discussion

today

take the nature

of nature

of

salvation

and.

If anybody wants to find out more about Justin Peters ministry go to Justin Peters org Justin

Peters org before we go.

Do you have any final words?

To those who are in the Word of Faith movement or perhaps just dabbling in it or

Just being seduced by it initially.

What would you have to say?

Yes, amen.

And once

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I thank you so much Justin for being on the program if you could hold on so I can say a proper goodbye to you off the

air.

I want to thank everybody who listened.

Especially those who wrote in questions.

I apologize to anybody who wrote in a question whose question We could not ask on air and I want you all to always remember

for the rest of your lives That Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.