EP 42 GOD'S MERCY ON AMERICA

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This is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it. Here we are.

Here we are. And we've got a special guest today, Ivan Solero. Say hi to the audience. Hey, hi.

Hello. I'm putting a little music in the background for us, you know, just going to start this off the live thing a little bit here.

Hey, Tim. Greetings. How are you guys doing today? Happy to be here.

Y 'all look happy. And then I was going to say we had a secret guest, but he's got his name there.

Just no face. So the man in black, Seth Brickley from Wisconsin.

How are you, sir? It's great to be with you guys. And yeah, it is a great day.

It is a great day. Hey, should I? I want to start off this video that we talked about, actually, and then hopefully a couple people log in.

Why don't you guys text a few people, tell them, you know, tell them we're going on here and we're going to be live if they want to interact with us in the in the notes.

I mean, in the text, in the chat. So here's the video. So that's how the

Trump headquarters celebrated last night when they did something big happened last night.

Jeff, what happened? What are we looking at here? Well, it says righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.

And I think the election of Donald J. Trump was a righteous outcome because the idea that we should kill babies in the womb was put down in the name of Jesus.

I think Christian showed up. And as that song indicates, evidently, people in that room have been praying just like we were.

Yeah, that's really obvious that there's a lot of believers involved in what's going on here.

And, you know, what do you what do you think there, Ivan Solero? What what what was so impactful to you about last night's victory?

Well, I think that we saw a sense of Americana that was under conviction of what was happening, not just on the abortion front, but, of course, in the cultural front, what was happening in the schools, what is happening with the transgender movement, when leadership started personifying this with having people who are transgender in leader positions.

I think it bridged somewhat of a gap for people to say, we can't allow this anymore.

We can't can't have our leaders that. And and I think that was that was a proving point that we saw yesterday, especially in rural

America. They just don't they just cannot put their head around that. So, Tim, what did you say?

What did you think last night? What was the big impact for the Robinson family blessed whose nation, whose

God is the Lord? So I think that the nation is is going to be blessed.

I wanted to grab an American flag and run around the streets because Trump won. I'm going to say if if if Harris won,

I don't think that her supporters would have been doing that. They're not allowed to say Jesus is Lord because they'd be at the wrong rally.

I don't know what's going on with that. I couldn't see it on my screen, Joe, but are someone seeing at a

Trump rally how great there are? Yeah, that's a recording that was that was after the victory speech last night, after Trump announced that he had won won the event.

So that's they're seeing how they're all at the right rally then. So I'm happy that they got to the right rally to be really telling that that people who voted for Donald Trump, everyone who

I see is happy because they wanted to see America say they wanted to see America thrive.

They wanted to see America do good. They love America. There's really people out there that I think hate

America and want to see people in trouble. They want to see agony in people. They want to see people sad.

And it was just so depressing four years ago. And now I just see everyone's happy. It's like a relief.

I haven't seen what what I guess liberals and Democrats look like. But I just I don't think that their life was

I don't think they noticed or saw how impactful it is and how what a good thing it was that Trump won.

So yeah. Well, this just in, we got another thousand votes from Kensington, but also impactful was

Wisconsin. We won Wisconsin to Seth Brickley. What's going on from Wisconsin?

And is are you having a power outage or what's going on? Yeah, yeah.

Having some technical difficulties here, but you guys can hear me. So I'm glad you can hear me and you can hear my voice.

But yeah, Wisconsin, actually, Bill Hemmer on Fox News last night, he says it's it's the swingiest of the swing states because the vote is usually decided by less than one percent.

And so last night, actually early in the morning, Donald Trump won by point nine percent in Wisconsin, 30 ,000 votes over about three and a half million that were cast.

You know, so so, yeah, I was looking at all the different counties and and I was happy to see that the western

Wisconsin counties did better this time around than four years ago. So, yeah, I mean, every every little bit counts.

Yeah. So so, yeah, we're and I was I was telling you guys before we got on here that I've never experienced a victory, a presidential victory in my home state, right, because I lived in Minnesota.

And then four years ago, I was in Wisconsin where Trump supposedly lost by 20 ,000 votes. So, yeah, so we're we're it's a weird feeling.

It's like the Vikings winning the Super Bowl. I've never experienced that, but hopefully that comes in the future, too. But but yeah, it's it's quite the exciting feeling that I have.

I saw them lose a wild card game to the Eagles in 1980. Oh, no, did you?

Did you see him in twenty seventeen when they lost the NFC championship game? Yeah, I don't know anything else about the

Vikings. Sorry. Yeah. OK, well, listen, this was this was a pretty historic occasion, you know, and listen, it was a big deal that we spent a lot of time in Kensington, Jeff.

I mean, do you feel like you really brought brought the votes in, you know, in Philadelphia?

I mean, I'm sure you weren't the only one out there, but we we you know, what do you think happened?

It is alleged that there were 10 ,000 flyers distributed and it is alleged that thousands of people changed their minds and conversations were had.

I wonder if the black Hebrew Israelites came home to Trump. That conversation we had with them and the guy what

I'm going for, like, go back to your people, tell your people. But here's what's interesting, like the Butler vote, right?

You would think that Butler, Pennsylvania, he got he got shot there, that that was all the difference, you know, it would be up, but it was the exact same amount that he got in twenty twenty.

What was different in twenty twenty four is that the inner city did not turn up for Kamala to the tune that they needed.

They needed a four hundred thousand blowout in the county of Philadelphia and they didn't get anywhere near that.

So about one hundred thousand short. So, yeah, we were just foot soldiers. We were not the decisive difference makers, but there were a lot of foot soldiers that multiply.

The more of us that that do that, it was God. It was all God, all glory to God.

He inspired us to do this a couple of months ago. And the result, I think, speaks for itself.

But many people had a similar leading. And I just give all glory to God because this was the mercy of the

Lord. This president was shot at in Butler and missed him by that much.

You're telling me this is not God delivering him by even mention that last night in his acceptance speech, he said, you know, some people say that it was

God that stopped that bullet. Right. So and he said, and it's for a purpose.

He's in here for a reason. And that was the Equality Act is now crushed underneath our feet in Jesus name.

Yeah. The national abortion law, right to abortion is crushed underneath our feet in Jesus name.

Amen. The stranding of adolescents is crushed because that's what Trump ran on.

Yeah. There's a mandate against that stuff now. Yeah. Competing in women's sports crushed underneath our feet.

And another big one is the globalist takeover of America. The ceding of America authority over to the globalist superpower has been crushed underneath our feet because Trump, Trump is anything but a globalist and the globalists know that.

You know, Harari, who is that right hand man to Klaus Schwab, these globalist rulers.

He said this before the election. If Trump becomes president again in 2024, it will be the final death blow to what remains of the global order.

Wow. I love it. I love it. I want to see that come to fruition. The death blow. Hey, if anybody's got a question out there in the audience, because we are live today with Tear Down High Places.

Love to hear you. We're keeping an eye on the chat. Share your questions. I'll get those questions to the pastors.

All right. What else do we got here? Ivan, what do you think is what do you think about the

Christian participation? You had shot out a little graphic to me. Yeah.

Well, you know, before we go there, I just want to say it was a repudiation of of what people believe to what this administration beforehand was doing.

But even to that point, Jeff's books that he sent out earlier and, you know, you think about God's timing, you know, starting from like two and a half years ago when he started the first one and then he continued on.

This is a complete validation of what took place. It really, really is.

And, you know, not to not to promote too much, but to say that people really need to go back and read what was talking about a few years ago that came to fruition now.

And it is and I think that that the the groundswell from this was kind of a bellwether for people to just to really take a step back and and think about, you know, where does

God want me to be at this point, at this time? You know what? What happens?

Not looking at the past now and not looking too much at the future just right right now.

And, you know, Jeff hit it with those books. We saw the repercussions of it from from what happened at the

FCA. And but but America came out and and said what they believe.

And I think there's a great opportunity for us in terms of like ministry and evangelism and all that to really talk about God's sovereignty and providence of how things work.

And I think that that takes more of a front and center than than just the fact that Donald Trump now is has been put in place.

You can't promote Jeff enough, Ivan, because he won't do it himself. I think it's because instead of promoting himself, he just goes and writes another book.

He's up to 12 or 13. I don't know. Another one just came out. Well, I I appreciate you saying that.

All it is is that time and truth walk hand in hand. When you tell the truth over time, it's validated.

This is Isaiah speaking. I think it's in chapter four, maybe verse 21, 17, somewhere in there.

He talks about vindicating those who stand for the truth and no weapon formed against you shall prosper, but he will vindicate and time and truth walk hand in hand.

But you know what? Evangelicals for Harris that aged like milk. Oh, they're a problem.

They're such a problem. And I don't think we're going to have to keep an eye on this.

I don't think we have good data right now. We've got to keep an eye on what the participation was for Christians, because if it wasn't big enough, you know, that that hurts our seat at the table.

And, you know, that is what we're that is what we're called to do. We're called to bring truth to the world.

Right. Called to shine a light on the world. And how do you shine a light if you can't you don't have a seat at the table because you're not relevant, you're not participating, get out there, participate.

There's really good news coming out of New Jersey, and that is the Republicans tried to put up a gay so -called married.

It's a mirage gay man who is pro choice to be the Republican senator.

And so evangelicals like myself did not vote for him, even though he had an R next to his name.

And he lost New Jersey by nine points. Trump only lost by four point nine.

So the margin was almost double. That sends a message to the

Republican establishment that won't listen to us, that you'd better listen to evangelicals or else you have no chance at all in New Jersey.

But think about this, that New Jersey was only lost by four point nine. It was 16 points just four years ago.

We are closing the gap. And that's with the flight of conservatives to Florida.

So Florida takes all of our conservative families during COVID and they go just bright red because that's a wonderful thing.

But here in New Jersey, we were left with not as many conservatives. And yet we still close the gap.

I think that's a testament to some of the South Jersey pastors that have been speaking. All of us were speaking out about this, all of the conservative ones.

And the result is I think New Jersey is tightening. We're not there yet. But wow, if that's not an encouraging night for New Jersey, I don't know what is.

Yeah, the New Jersey Republicans need to talk to you. They need to come on the show and sit down and have a conversation because they are really bad at the

New Jersey Republican leadership. Maybe we get some new leadership in there. So I like to say,

Joe, can I make one last point? Yeah, please do. I think another yeah, one another seismic difference, seismic difference that happened here was the propaganda machine started to fall apart.

And Musk said last night, and he summed it up perfectly, where he said that that you, the

American people are the media now, not the other way around. And that kind of it's coming through.

So shows like this, other people are coming together and they're sharing God's truth.

And it was almost coming across like news because it's so relevant to today's narrative that that's going to start taking hold more and more.

And and I think that the past few years we started seeing that that again, another groundswell of of the podcasting and everything is starting to take hold with people.

And they're listening to that more and putting more faith in that compared to what the major news networks have been doing.

What do you think, Seth, in Wisconsin, is that is that what you're saying? The same thing

Ivan's talking about? Yeah, yeah, we in Wisconsin, it's like Jeff said, we do we do have people leaving for Florida, not as much as Minnesota.

Minnesota is really flocked to Florida in large numbers. But but I do,

I'm encouraged by some of the friendships I have with some pastors. It does feel like pastors are getting more vocal.

I think that the lie of pietism is is being exposed. And it's it's such a it's such a horrible thing because Satan loves pietism.

If we can if we are silent, if the church is silent, then he can just do whatever he wants in our communities.

And it's gotten so bad over the last four years. I think more and more pastors are like,

OK, we got to we got to say something. So I hope it increases. It's still honestly kind of pathetic.

I mean, I still feel like most pastors don't hardly say anything at all. But we do need to speak out.

We do need to speak on these things. You know, I did I I preached a sermon, an election sermon recently where I explained biblically and constitutionally that every pastor has every right and should be doing this speaking clearly on the things of our day.

Right. So to these political issues, because if churches get out and vote, if Christians get out and vote, the communists can't take over our country.

Think about that. They can't because the most yeah, the most anti -communist book in the world is the

Bible. Are there any communists, Seth, are there any communist Christians out there?

Oh, that's an oxymoron. I mean, there's there's false there's false teachers who opposes Christians who are communists, but Jesus is socialist.

Isn't it the same thing? Yeah, it's sarcastic there, brother. So I got it.

I got to give credit to I got to give credit to the little joke on the bottom there to Dave Wilson, my my favorite brother in Christ.

So that's just too good. I loved it. So did you say we're talking pronouns now?

I I'm sorry to cut you off there. I wonder I want to go to if you guys want to.

Jeff, you talked about earlier, you know, all the things we avoided. You know, you just talked a little bit about what

Trump is going to do. Why don't we do that round robin you were talking about? Start talking about what we avoided.

Yes, let's go to Tim Robinson first. We haven't heard from him yet. Yeah, Tim, what do you want to skip over me for some reason?

No, I was going to say was some I don't know if it was someone from Wisconsin or one of our fans.

I'm not sure someone wrote I saw in the chat that TDHP should be invited to the

White House for their work in Philadelphia. I mean, I couldn't agree more. We're not going to get that kind of clout if we did get invited to the

White House. You know what we would say is just to God be the glory. It was God that worked through us. But I was going to ask

Jeff as that paper that we used to the flyer just to put that up there to see what we were what we were sending out.

I don't know if that's a good idea if you have an extra one or they all went out. Maybe they all went out. We left them all on the street.

But hey, that flyer went out and who knows how much that multiplied where, you know, it might have hit 10 ,000 people, but those 10 ,000 people might have told another 20 ,000 people.

And then the the TDHP viewership went up right at the right time. One of our one of our videos went 60 ,000 views or whatever.

I like to think that we made it made a difference and God used us to make a difference. And I'm just thankful for that and just happy to be a part of TDHP, but also just kingdom work.

I was just so amazed. So, yeah, that flyer was fire. That flyer was fire.

We had immigration, inflation and assassination. And we gave people a handle to say this is why it matters so much that you go and vote.

So, Joe, back to circling around, circle around like Jen Psaki here. We're going to circle back and we're going to say, what did we avert?

Yeah, what did we avert? I'll go first and then everybody else throw something out. I'm going to go with the

Equality Act. And I know this is dear to your heart, Joe, but this victory was so good for the church.

Instead of having censorship on what we can say in our counseling sessions with someone who's struggling with same sex attraction, so -called, you know, or I guess it is being same sex attracted, we can now, as we would have anyway, we can tell them the full truth of the gospel, preach the whole counsel of God without fear of going to jail.

But instead of fear of going to jail, which we wouldn't have feared anyway, as MacArthur said, you just start a prison ministry if that happens.

Instead, we have an example in a president of somebody who fights.

Like, I think we don't, I understand that we shouldn't celebrate the egotistical aspects and people talk about how, you know,

Trump has these personal, personal characteristics that are less than admirable.

Granted, but don't forget, this man had courage. I've never seen a person take a bullet and stand up and his instinctual reaction is to say, fight, fight, fight, and to show the people that he's not down for the count.

And how much lawfare that he endured, how many things that the left threw at him, not because he actually was any of those things, but because they opposed really us.

Trump was standing in the way of their attack on us, the church. So the

Equality Act was a real thing that by God's grace, he used this

Cyrus of a man, this Persian King Cyrus, to interpose and put to death the

Equality Act and many things like it. And instead of that, we have the model of a person who will fight the left, who will not stand for that kind of thing.

And hopefully that will embolden us to actually be stronger and louder for the sake of truth and freedom.

But then ultimately and most importantly, for the sake of the gospel that we got, I got to comment on that a little bit because you do.

Yeah, that is that is near, dear to my heart. And it's because I don't want to see you all go to jail. I just got you pastors a couple of years ago.

I'm real excited to be here at Cornerstone. And, you know, I don't I mean, it's really it's crazy.

People don't realize, you know, not only you, but any of us, none of us could open up our Bible and actually be able to share

God's wisdom with someone who was struggling in certain situations. But there is another real thing that's actually

I'd love to see Trump do something about this. But in New Jersey, if you're if you're not a psychology fan, but if you are a

Christian psychologist, which is not always an oxymoron, you you cannot you you can lose your license if you do that same kind of counseling today.

You know, I mean, we're not out there promoting Christian psychology, but those people are shut down.

They can't share scripture. It's evil. And yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. So who's next on the on the round robin here?

Tim, did you want to do you want to say what we avoided? Well, who's next is Ivan. So we'll go to him and then me, if that's cool with you,

Joe. Yeah, yeah. OK, I think one of the

I think one of the most important things that was done was the redefinition of crime and punishment, which

Trump said and said what was going to happen. We we've spent the last four years getting away from that and and actually coalescing to whatever took place takes place.

Considering the open borders, considering crimes in the city, people were being let out.

People were being allowed to do whatever they want to do. And there was mayhem all over. And Trump came in there and said, no, this is a crime.

This got to be stopped. This has to be stopped under my watch. This is going to happen.

And I think that that kind of jumpstart the. Sort of the person to have a little little more boldness than what they had before, that they actually can say something like this and say, you do this, this is what's going to happen.

And all of a sudden I started seeing that that seed of doubt that was there before starting to really move away, that people were actually saying this guy's really going to do if he's going to do it, then

I'm going to do it. And it gets back to what what what Jeff was just talking about, the whole

Cyrus analogy is that there's something above the personality of Trump that really was

God led. And and you can't put your finger on it. But you know that anyone who's a believer in Christ knows this is not just a usual thing that this happens, somebody who's just, you know, just puffing his chest out and saying something.

There is something that is God led and what's going to happen. And I think believers started to pick up on that and started to see that.

And the whole crime and punishment thing was really a kickstart of everything that was going to happen. So that's you're talking about his his faithfulness to do what he promises.

We you know, I think I've heard a lot of people say that. It's it's not that I not that I agree with every policy he has.

But when he says he's going to do something, I do trust that he's going to do it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

All right. Who's next? I'm up, Joe. First of all, I just want to say thank you for that encouraging comment to our friend

Daniel Catton. Miss you, bro. Thank you for that. And also, I just wanted to say some of the things we avoided was a female inside of the

White House. Every house in America where a female runs the nest or runs the house never like in my experience and what

I see, it almost never works out good. And I don't think that would have been any different in the

White House and especially with someone with, you know, with all the views and against God and someone like Kamala Harris.

I think it would have been a judgment. So we avoided judgment. So I'm thinking that maybe just maybe there's people out there that did repent and are now trusting in Jesus Christ.

Another thing is I have some friends that are liberals and they like to mock and joke.

And I avoided that mocking and scoffing from scoffers that Kamala would have won. And instead, we got the victory.

I'm in a group chat with 10 men, probably, you know, six or seven liberals and maybe like one rhino and then one actual conservative who doesn't talk a lot.

But today he was talking and we were rejoicing and, you know, they were a little upset, but we were happy and we got a victory.

So I thank God for that. But we avoided scoffing and mocking and judgment. And I think that's the greatest thing we avoided.

Mm hmm. Tim, you are as politically incorrect as Isaiah in chapter three, verse 12, where it says, children are their oppressors and women rule over them.

Yes. Yeah. Amen. Amen to that. And now we're going to Seth, Joe, if you didn't know.

OK, thanks. OK. What's your favorite thing we avoided, Seth? We avoided

World War three, at least for the time being. I mean, look at look at the Biden administration.

It was just an epic disaster when it comes to foreign policy. I mean, look at the Afghanistan debacle.

You look at Russia invading Ukraine. You look at Hamas in the

October 7th Israel attack and Hezbollah and Iran, you know, how aggressive they've gotten with Israel.

It's amazing that the bad guys have been able to do just about whatever they've wanted over the last almost four years.

I mean, look at the southern border and we don't know who is going through the southern border. I mean, there's some very evil actors.

So now, I mean, think about this with Trump. I mean, Trump is, you know, for all of his flaws, he is a masculine leader who bad guys are afraid of.

He shows us masculinity better than most pastors, honestly. I mean, he does some name calling.

I don't like that, but he is a tough guy who doesn't back down to evil people.

And we can we can look at that and say, you know, Trump is, he's the kind of president we want.

And I'll admit this, guys, I think I started off tolerating Donald Trump, and now I've grown to really like him and appreciate him.

You know, and my appreciation for evangelical leaders has declined and my appreciation for him has increased,

I think, over the years, just because like you guys said, God's hand is upon this man.

We're not saying that he's our savior. I mean, because immediately when you say that, people are like, oh, you're idolizing

Trump. It's like, no, we're not idolizing Trump. We're just acknowledging that God's hand is upon this man for good in our nation and in the world.

So so this world will be a safer place with him as president. So this was a really bad day for Hamas, for Hezbollah, for Iran, for North Korea, for Russia, for China.

Great day for Israel. Great day for the American citizen. Great day for Christians. Great day for Jews.

So it's worth celebrating. Yeah, yeah. And I think we also avoided a civil war, you know,

I think which would depend upon how far the Democrats would push.

Right. How far would they push the states, you know, if they did win power? Right.

And, you know, at this point, we're we're we're I'm probably thinking we are expecting some blowback, you guys.

What do you think? Are we going to be in summer 2020 again? I don't think so.

Oh, OK. Well, let's pray that that doesn't happen because that was horrible.

Yeah. Here's another thing we avoided. We avoided the Californication of the

United States of America. If you realize California was a red state in the 80s and they just flooded the border with with illegal immigrants.

And then it was not within just a short amount of time that it was completely blue because of all the new voters that they were able to bring online.

Well, if this border had stayed open the way it had been for the last four years, there would not have been another chance.

This was our last chance to close that border before America as a people was just completely swamped and overrun.

And we lose our chance to have an election like this again. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Wow. What else do we what else do we avoid? Anybody anybody want to jump out on that or do we want to go on to what did we gain?

What's what's the future look like? But let's move on.

I OK, my I can address that. OK, sure, sure.

I think what ends up happening is this is an opportunity for believers for the evangelical community to start really speaking out and setting a tone for the rest of the country and how we're going to be doing things.

It doesn't have to be arrogant. It doesn't have to be any of those things. But I think that that the level that we're at.

And I think we showed a little bit of that when we were at the library and just was repudiating the people there for the books they had there.

And the way we handle ourselves and the way that we carried ourselves was a witness for other people of how to behave.

You know, I just was teaching through C .S.

Lewis, Smear Christianity. And during the time when he was preaching or actually having his radio broadcast, a mantra that was going through the

UK during that time. I don't know if you remember, Joe. It says manners maketh man, you know.

And and it was a very simple, strong saying manners maketh man.

And it's that whole idea of us as believers to keep that in check and to live that out.

We don't need a preachers out there screaming and yelling at people anymore.

We just need them to tell them the truth adamantly, put in the 11th Commandment rule, thou shalt not be nice or whatever, you know, that we just tell them the truth.

And we say that and kind of set the standard there. The other thing, too, is, is that schools,

I think the whole school paradigm is going to change. I think homeschooling is going to start to really in the next four years, really start to come about with school pods and home pods, which is another opportunity for believers to get involved in and to add what

God's going to give us as new ministries. And I think that the just the national program of education here in the country, they know that this is this is a way that's starting to really build up.

And I think the next four years, we're we're going to see that start to change. You know,

I want to comment on your first point, Ivan. I thought that was really great when you talk about self -control. And, you know,

I think a lot of people don't like some of Trump's mean tweets and things, but if you've seen him enough now, we've seen him in a lot of different environments.

The man has amazing self -control, amazing discipline when he's in front of, you know, and and how could he not when he's in front of these world leaders and he's negotiating deals, you know, that the ability to stay on on target.

But if you listen to the Joe Rogan podcast, boy, man, he was focused for three hours.

And what is he, seventy nine? Just wow. Blow me away.

Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. What else do we gain, guys?

I think so. So the homeschooling thing, Ivan, that's a great thing, too. What what what makes you say that we're going to have, you know, big bumps in homeschooling?

Have you heard anything from the Trump administration on that or. You think he's going to get rid of the. No, I don't think he has enough time to get rid of it, but I think that he's going to give incentives to have homeschooling become more prominent than it is before.

He's already talked about that, that that should happen. But this is where the churches need to get involved more in terms of building up that community and helping, you know, just just on coalescing like we're doing now and bringing other people to help, you know, treat, treat and educate children.

I mean, we have we have a chance here. We have one generation where we can actually educate from a

Christian perspective on what what is going to happen for for the remainder of our lives.

And I think the opportunity is here for churches to get involved to do that education. So we got the

Senate. We got the presidency. If we get the House, who knows what else could happen, guys?

Well, we gained Elon Musk to get the budget under control. We gained

Tulsi Gabbard and some of these other spokespeople that can move the needle a little bit. We gained

RFK to make America healthy again. That's a real thing. I have to be great.

But here's probably one of the biggest things. We gained an economy where the stock market's already taken off because business people know this, where we can afford things because government spending with handouts, needless handouts, which were done in twenty twenty one, you know, and and beyond, which caused the inflation.

And now the building costs went through the roof. You know, interest rates out of control. If you look at the

Trump economy pre covid in twenty nineteen, it was the best thing that this country ever had. And we get that back in time over the next couple of years.

So for a church like us that wants to build, we have all these plans building costs coming down relative to the incomes of people going up, giving the chance for us to take ground, maybe to to have another church that maybe a church that needs help that can't make it.

Maybe we can go in and and strengthen that and continue to plant like we did with the rock taking ground.

And with that, I think comes a mood when you see victory like this. You are encouraged and you see like, you know what?

Christians can take New Jersey for the sake of Jesus Christ and for Christian ethics in the public square.

Like we gain encouragement. Hmm. Yeah. Amen. That's what he got.

Well, the the the, you know, Biden put in the Title nine policy, you know, that puts boys and girls sports and they can go into girls locker rooms and girls bathrooms.

And I and I, you know, I've been involved a little bit in the school board fight in our community as the school board was very close to pushing that forward.

But now that Trump has won, that'll be gone. Right. And I think, too, another thing is, you know, related to what

Jeff said, energy independence. When when Biden took office in January of 2021, his

I think it was his first day in office where he just struck down the Keystone Pipeline, you know, instantly 12000 jobs are gone.

And then he's begging the Saudis for oil and Venezuela for oil. And we have we have plentiful resources of oil all over America.

And if and he's talked about, you know, he's going to go after that again. And when when we have that flowing, it helps the whole economy.

Right. So, yeah, so hopefully. Yeah, hopefully that kicks in sooner rather than later.

It will take time, right, for things to kick in. But but yeah, we're it's just going to be

I mean, what we want in a governing leader is a land of peace and prosperity. Right. And that's what we've had historically in America.

We want a land where we can we can do our activities as Christians and with our churches without interference.

Right. So a passage like First Timothy two verses one through four, it says, first of all, that I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.

This is good and it is pleasing in the sight of God, our savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Right. So so I feel like over the next four years, we're going to have a country where we can preach the gospel and we're not going to get thrown in jail with the threat of this

Equality Act. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People need to be bold, guys.

You know, so I was at the polls and I got to talk to some Republicans. I was working the polls and some people voting for Trump.

I heard from one guy. He said we're talking about Jesus and he knew I was a Christian. And he said,

I run a big company and I can't really talk about this stuff at work, but I really appreciate what you guys are doing.

What do you guys have to say to people like that? Is there a reason for them to be emboldened? I was proud to say that I was a

Republican in the lines and things like that. I was trying to hear like getting here for like, who are these people voting for?

And, you know, when I was in line, I waited three and a half hours to vote. And, you know, I was I felt like I was around mainly liberals.

The lady in front of me had purple hair. So that was that was kind of an indicator that she was a liberal.

And then when she voted, her her ballot fell on the ground and everything was Democrat. So I got to see that she was a liberal.

And then when I was in the line, they pulled me out of the line. And then when I went to go register, they were like,

I need to ask you, are you a Republican or are you a Democrat? But I'm afraid to ask. But the system is telling me to ask you.

And I said, well, I'm a Republican. And I was happy to say that, you know, for people to hear. And then they said and then they made me mail in my vote and not be able to vote and put it through on the spot.

So I was a little confused and I thought maybe I should have caused the scene and made the news or something, but I didn't.

So maybe I should have been a little bit more bold, but I was happy to be like, yeah, I'm a Republican. But it seemed like everyone in line with me was kind of afraid to say who they were, very like covering up what they're doing and and afraid to talk.

So I say, yeah, people are a little afraid to be bold, but we should be bolder.

Yeah, that was quite an election story, by the way, Tim. Yeah, I don't even think there's like more than that going on, but I I didn't know how to concise it any more than that.

Wow. No, I mean, and with these like five hour lines, one of our former elders had a six hour wait.

Well, six hours. Wow. Way to go, Burlington County. And of course, this is a blue county.

Now, interestingly, like the county we live in, you're a cinnamon sin, Tim. That one Republican.

But we're we're a little bit tilting Democrat still. But one of the things I noticed all throughout

New Jersey is just a closing of the gap. So I saw one statistic in 2020.

Mount Laurel was 17 ,000 to 10 ,000 Democrat to Republican in in a certain race.

This year it was 13 ,000 to 9 ,000 before the votes were finished being cast.

But the gap is narrowing. So we're closing and making making progress.

But we still have a little ways to go because we're in the blue part that runs from like Camden all the way up to New York City along the

I -95 corridor. That that's the part that, you know, we're on the front lines here in Mount Laurel.

And we go into inner city, which is Philly, which is the front line of the front line, the flat line, as they call it.

But I think by God's grace, we're seeing movement even there. How much more in the territories that are solidly red?

So I'm just rambling at this point. I have a lot more hope. I think, Jeff, you made a good point that I'm encouraged.

Like I'm so I have so much more hope in America. I want to be more bold, but I'm just happier.

I think that everything just looks better outside. I think that, you know, America runs on hope. I feel safer.

I feel like, you know, I have a kid on the way. I feel safer for his future. So, you know,

I'm happy about all that. So it's just a happy time for me. So here's a question

I have, guys. Have you guys seen any reactions in the evangelical community? Like Big Eva, have you seen anything?

Not yet. We talked about that gospel coalition article that said, hey, you can vote for Trump, but be sad while you do it.

And we don't take that view. In Ecclesiastes five, it talks about wealth and good things are a gift from the

Lord and rejoice in the good gift. That's how we should live. Like God has given a good gift.

And our response should be, thank you, Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, guys. Sack and ashes, guys.

Sackcloth and ashes, guys, man. Yeah. On that note, so eight years ago.

So this was when I didn't know about all the social justice stuff and how big of a push it was in evangelicalism and with the gospel coalition.

I think a lot of us didn't know back in 2016 how bad it was. But I, you know,

I voted for Trump in 2016. And I didn't know how he would turn out, but I was

I happily voted for him. You know, I didn't want Hillary Clinton. And and so I voted for him.

He won that night. The next day there's an event in the Twin Cities. There's a gospel coalition event that I attend.

And it was like a funeral. I think they would have been happier if Hillary Clinton won. And I was just I couldn't back then.

I was like, this is just this doesn't feel right. You know, and now in hindsight, it all makes sense, you know, that their their understanding of biblical ethics in the public square is just way off.

They are compromised with the world. And that's that's really obvious right now.

But anyway, yes, I found that very interesting that so the evangelical elites today are not celebrating because they're not that much different from the political elites, to be honest.

But they pull us away from the culture. Right. The the even even jellyfish.

And now we've got an opportunity to call out Hollywood as Daniel's bringing up here.

Right. He's talking about these evil celebrities. That's been a big deal. Right. And in fact, the irony is they've been throwing that up almost as a distraction here in the last few days prior to the election.

Like, let's go look at this shiny new object. Right. And and here we go. Let's talk about that.

You know, let's let's call them out. Yeah. Yeah. Holly, weird.

Holly. Yeah, I think what happens is if when you're depending just on man, it kind of falls flat and we've gotten an education.

I think everybody's gotten an education these past four years of what evil really can do.

And and it isn't it isn't a sense of a different ideology or a different political view.

It's there's evil in the world. And I think the extent of it, we were kind of naive somewhat.

And, you know, from from what Seth's talking about, when he was gladly voting in 2016 till now,

I mean, we've gotten a huge education of what this world can do. And the.

Because they got old. Yeah, that got very bold. And the fodder of it is, is that all these celebrities, which were sort of behind the curtain, they were forced to the front.

And we got to see the flaws. And we just saw like they're fake, that everything is fake. And and that was a huge wake up call for us, you know, to see this and see the type of decision making they do and what they represent.

It doesn't matter about who they're marketing or hawking or anything like that. So this education is really kind of took the scales out of our eyes, you know?

Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. And and we're going to learn a lot more, right,

Matt? And that might be that might be interesting to talk about, too. What do you think we're going to learn about Trump's new administration?

What things do you think he's going to do that he hasn't talked about? Maybe I'm I'm hopeful.

I know a lot of people are hopeful that he'll do things in family courts. I don't know. They will.

But people like people are hopeful. I can tell you people I talk to. Yeah. People that are close to the president.

Right. Got some access there. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

In fact, hey, one of our guests is probably going to get a job now. We should we can say remember we had a guest.

Mark. Yeah, he's probably he's going to be consulting, you know, so he's going to be consulting with the

Trump Organization and in regards to some changes in family courts. And who knows?

You know, I we you know, we might be able to embolden some of the politicians out there, you know, like in Oklahoma and Idaho, where they're talking about getting rid of no fault divorce that could come up.

No. No. Yeah, it's it's going to be interesting to see what he does with RFK Jr.

and how he you know, he's he's really passionate about the healthy food, healthy water, going after the corruption of the

FDA. And, you know, just obviously, if you go after that stuff, I mean, it's very dangerous to do such a thing because they're very powerful.

Yes, very. It's easier to get rid of no fault divorce. Oh, my God. He's putting himself on the line.

So I mean, so props to RFK Jr. for doing that. I mean, to be ridiculed by his own family, his own people.

Yeah. To do that. And so I really hope that they do that. Like they my wife is really into clean foods.

And and she understands the corruption that's out there and how they're they're literally trying to kill us.

I mean, it's it sounds crazy. I mean, we know that with the vaccine. But there is this globalist depopulation effort, you know, and part of one of the things is they want us to get cancer.

They want us to get all this stuff, you know, and RFK has enough common grace from God to recognize that, you know, so and fight, fight, fight, fight.

Yeah. Well, guys, I got to sign off in just a couple of minutes. So any final thoughts?

Well, one thing I just noticed from this from the computer guy is about Paula White and Trump's surrounding himself with people like that.

And my my thoughts on all that is it's it's kind of like chatter.

I don't think anybody can really definitively motivate

Trump to do anything that Trump doesn't want to do unless God tells him to do it. He'll hear all kinds of advice from everybody.

Doesn't matter. And then at the end of the day, he'll make his own decisions on that. He's shown that before.

And so, yeah, I don't I don't see a pastor just dropping into the White House and saying, oh, here's where we're going to go.

It just that I just don't see that that happening. You know, you're not with Trump. Not with Trump.

Yeah. And honestly, guys, like like people who say that Trump is really a plant, you know, he's he's really not for us.

That's like saying Pastor Seth is a plant at Eureka Baptist. I mean, it's just it's just completely irrational.

I mean, based on all the evidence that people in my church have seen over the last eight years I've been here, you know, so so when

I see comments like that, I'm like, you know, you're you're you're taking really outlier things possibly if those are even there and they're making they're drawing these big conclusions.

I'm sorry. I mean, I'm just going to call that out right now. That's ridiculous. So he is for us.

He's shown that I'm not saying he's a born again Christian, but he is a friend of Christians. He is a friend of Jews.

And that's the kind of governing we want. You know, so we didn't hire a pastor. We hired we hired a guy that is going to do what he says.

And that's and that's really the bottom line. So I think I think if we take this episode and we look at it in total, we came up with a whole bunch of other things we could talk about very deeply, like Ivan's talking about homeschooling.

I mean, that could be a whole episode, right? You know, we should talk a little bit about the international space. You know, you know, what about international

Christians? And I think a lot of other good topics here that we brought up today. And I think going live was a great idea.

You know, this is just a great day to celebrate, guys. So let's pop it off, pop off the cork and celebrate, you know.

Amen. All right, guys. Love you, right? God has done great things for us, and we are filled with joy.

Psalm 126, three. And we're going to cut this short so we can get to our ending.

When you see your brother down. Yeah, I see a high place.

All right. Now you're down. Brother's down. Yeah, I did it, guys.

You could see me, but I didn't see it. Did you guys do it? I still did it. All right.