March 11, 2021 Show with Rev. Geoff Thomas on “Gospelizing Children Through Literature”

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And I'm thrilled to have back on the program one of my very favorite guests who has become a frequent guest on this program. He's calling all the way from London, England today, Reverend Jeff Thomas, who, beginning in 1965, served for over 50 years as pastor at Alfred Place Baptist Church of Aberystwyth, Wales, and he is the author of many books, including his latest, The Legendary Casey Jones and Other American Folktales.

Today, we are going to be addressing Gospelizing Children Through Literature, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Reverend Jeff Thomas.

Thank you very much.

And I must admit, I was quite surprised, not in any kind of a negative way, but I was quite surprised to hear about your latest book. You are not the first person that pops into my head when I think of Casey Jones and Other American Folktales, since you are a Welshman and also a Christian theologian and scholar and evangelist.

So tell us what so intrigued you about the story of Casey Jones and American folktales that led you to write this new book.

Lockdown, really. I'm not able to get out. I'm scared. I can't come to America to preach. And then, last of all, I came to find historical vignettes and Johnny Gibson, the prof of Old Testament at Westminster Seminary.

Yes, and I happen to know that right here in Pennsylvania,.

One of my advertisers, Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, CVBBS .com, is an official distributor of Day One Publications books. So I'll be looking forward to getting those in my own hands to give out to friends who have children and grandchildren.

And it is amazing, it's amazing to me that in this day and age of cancel culture, you have actually brought a fresh new look at Br 'er Rabbit being one of the folktales of Uncle Remus, which is not exactly politically correct in these days.

Our theme today is Gospelizing Children Through Literature.

And, you know, there are disagreements in the body of Christ, even amongst Reformed believers, about the state of children and whether or not they are to be viewed as a mission field or as Christians, just because they were baptized and raised in Christian homes.

And I thank God that you and I, who are Reformed Baptists, are upholding the biblical truth that may be in disagreement with a segment of our Reformed brethren. And we believe that children are indeed a mission field.

We are not to presume that they are of the elect just because they were born in Christian households and just because they may have been even baptized in a Baptist home. They wouldn't be baptized, typically, until they are teenagers or older.

But I'm glad to know that you believe that the gospel must be given to children, even the children of Christian parents.

He hid his in a city and there was no one there. I and his father and mother explained to him that from a child, he knew certainly about intel of him. They say, oh, we're glad of Jeff as a neighbor. We're glad of Chris as a neighbor.

We'll send to our listeners our email address,.

ChrisArmzen, at gmail .com,. C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N, at gmail .com. As always, give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence, if you live outside the USA.

And only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. Perhaps you're asking because Jeff had over 50 years of experience in the pastoral ministry before he retired from that specific role.

Perhaps you have a pastoral question for him and it involves personal matters. We could readily understand that you would want to remain anonymous, and we will grant that request. But if it's just a general question, please give us your first name, city and state, and country of residence.

And that's ChrisArmzen, at gmail .com,. ChrisArmzen, at gmail .com. We do have Christopher in Western Suffolk County, Long Island, New York. And Christopher asks, I know that Christians disagree over teaching their children myths and legends like the stories of Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and other things that are fictitious, although I do recognize that at least Santa Claus had some basis of a true figure from history, St. Nicholas.

But I was wondering what your view is on that. Should we, in essence, lie to our children, even though they're cute, adorable stories that get them excited every year during a particular month, and they have things to look forward to, and they seem to love and get so enthusiastic over these stories?

Is it right because we are, in reality, lying?

Well, I do think my children are going to be in your eyes. And children think children are family tree gods. People are going to take offense and they're going to fall away from the Christian faith because they see you've got a Christmas tree in your window.

I think that the break between any form of religion has long died, and they know that it's midwinter.

Well, thank you, Christopher. And we are going to our first station break. And once again, if you'd like to join us with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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Gospelizing Children Through Literature and the Mission Field of Childhood

Welcome back. If you just tuned us in, our guest today is Jeff Thomas. He is well known in the Reformed community as being a prolific writer and conference speaker for such ministries as Banner of Truth.

And today we are addressing the very important theme of Gospelizing Children Through Literature. Our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chrisarnson at gmail .com. And please give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside of the USA.

Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. And Jeff Thomas, do you think that it is very wise of us as Christians to, even before having children, know in advance that we have to be very cautious and very careful about not only having a view of our own children as idols, exalting their place in this world to the point where, even though we would never dare say this, or perhaps even consciously think it, but to the place of God himself, or even above God himself.

Or, at the same time, sentimentalizing children, and because, of course, when they are not misbehaving and they're not throwing tantrums, they're not being disobedient, people typically view their children, especially when they're very, very, very, very young, as lovable and adorable, and they cannot dare even think of these children being lost and in need of a savior.

Aren't both of those things very important when we look at children, especially those that happen to be our own? Let's see, we have... I was just looking at a question, and it disappeared from my very eyes.

Oh!

This is a question... It's not even a question, it's just a comment of encouragement. I know that before the program began, I believe you were telling me that you have one of your adult children living in Germany, is that right?

In Germany, that's it.

Okay, well, I just have an email from a listener in Germany. I want to give my greetings to Robert. I don't know what city in Germany he lives in, but he says, Good evening from Germany, sir. I would like to write you this message just to express my appreciation about your ministry through your Iron Sharpens Iron radio show from Germany.

I listen to it regularly and benefit a lot from it, and I gain much insights on various topics and things happening in Northern America.

Well...

So, thank you all, and God bless you.

Robert, you're a child of Martin Luther, aren't you?

Ha ha ha!

Yeah, well done. I'm so glad that you've found a place where your hunger for truth and for understanding and wisdom...

We have... Let's see, another one that I was looking at just moments ago, and it vanished from my eyes. Oh, Bobby in Hartsdale, New York. Bobby says, I have become increasingly opposed to something known as children's church and youth groups.

I think that they unnecessarily separate children from the same worship services and studies that the adults in the congregation are being witness to. Now, I am not opposed to all children's instruction.

I'm just talking about the way that some churches function where there seems to be a permanent separation of young from old, thinking that the gospel always needs to be dumbed down. And I understand, once again, that there is a place for toddlers and others, but they carried us on too far in the ages of these children through teen years and so on.

I was wondering what your guest's thoughts were on that.

Yeah, the catechism, which I attend now in church, I'm a member.

So you obviously, you believe there is a place for separating very young children, but not that they would be... That that would carry on even through teen years and so on.

No, you see, children are instruction to the people sitting around them.

Joseph in South Central Pennsylvania, who says, I'm looking forward to getting a hold of your own books, but I was wondering what other books specifically for children you might be able to recommend. Books for children published by Day One?

Yes.

Well, if you go to cvbbs .com, cv for Cumberland Valley, bbs for Bible Book Service, .com, cvbbs .com, you can ask for the Day One publications written by our guest, Jeff Thomas. And Jeff happens to spell his name G-E-O-F-F.

And they will definitely have those books when they are actually in print. Now, the latest book on Casey Jones, is that actually in print? I know it's this month.

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I would also check out one of our primary sponsors, Solid Ground Christian Books, solid-ground-books .com, solid-ground-books .com, and do a search of their entire website for children's literature.

And I know that they also have books about parenting and that side of the issue as well. Well, we actually have to get to our midway break right now. If you would like to join us on the air, please use this time to write down a question for Jeff Thomas and send it to ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

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