March 31, 2020 Show with Geoff Thomas on “Real Evangelism”

Evangelism, Preaching, and Teaching

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And we have returning for the second day in a row today. Reverend Jeff Thomas. He has been the pastor for over 50 years before retirement at Alfred Place Baptist Church in Everest with Wales he's an author and frequent speaker at conferences conducted by banner of truth and other ministries and Today we are going to be discussing Real evangelism and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back for the second day of our interviews.

Reverend Jeff Thomas. Yes, and I know that right now you are in London England. How is Everyone managing. Well, you can't obviously respond to how everyone is managing. But how how are the people that you know and love including yourself managing with the corona virus?

Yes.

Well, my one of my grandsons he started a feeler. Now are things similar to here in the United States. Where?

Everything has been shut down except for those things that are necessary like grocery stores and other other things that.

Yes.

Well, I would ask my audience to please pray for Not only our guest today Reverend Jeff Thomas to protect him and his wife Barbara from the corona virus, but also to minister that our great physician ministers to Jeff's grandson and his name again is Okay.

Well if we could ask of you to pray for him since it is feared that he has the corona virus. But I don't believe that I haven't determined yet.

Yeah.

Well real evangelism is the topic at hand today, well, I think it's a very vital topic because you have those within Christendom who are involved in fake evangelism or Insufficient evangelism and they may believe in The deity of Christ.

They may believe in the Holy Trinity That God exists in three co-eternal and co-equal persons. They may believe in salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, but the way that they convey What they would call the gospel to the world May be unbiblical and we'll get into some of the ways that is true because that could be true.

Not only on the left Where people present a mushy-gushy syrupy sweet message that is not a call to repentance.

That.

Has no fear of hell in it. No fear of condemnation in it. Then you could have of course on the right people who are really teaching a works righteousness or a legalism as a means to Be right with God, but if you could before we even go into Real evangelism and some of its counterfeits.

Can you define evangelism that might seem like a no-brainer? But you know, there there are terms that we use that sometimes we use as synonyms. But they do have differences like for instance. How would evangelism compare and contrast to preaching and teaching?

Evangelism unlike preaching and teaching in a formal sense in the church a preacher And a teacher in the church is actually well, they are actually offices in the church. Whereas evangelism is something that everyone.

Man woman and child in the church is supposed to be involved in them. All right from what I have witnessed.

For The over 20 years that I have been actually wow, it's going on. Let's see what's going on. 40 years. What am I saying 20? I forget how old I am sometimes but The approximately 40 years since I have been saved actually no, I've been 30 years.

Yeah. The the thing that I have witnessed not only working in Christian media But also just seeing and witnessing Christians pastors evangelists televangelists Communicating what they would call the gospel on television and radio and so on and in popular books it seems to me that a desire to win over people to like them and To not be offended in any way to not have their feelings hurt these things seem to reign supreme and override.

What is most important number one? Glorifying God and Obeying him but also number two the actual Genuine love that we are to have for the lost that would compel us to warn them about their fate their eternal Destiny their their condemnation and their damnation should they reject Jesus Christ and his Only way of salvation, which was his death on Calvary.

So would you say that that it is? Men pleasing and the fear of men over the fear of God that has caused a lot of the problems in the way Many people especially the very popular evangelists so-called attempt to evangelize Kermit the Frog, did you say?

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Would you believe that it is legitimate to approach evangelism in different ways according to who. According to the people to whom you are Evangelizing like let me give you an example. You move into a neighborhood or a new neighbor moves next door to you.

You greet them over the fence you say hello and you invite them over for a barbecue or something and You know that this person borrowing some unforeseen thing that God has Ordained to happen in the future, but you're you're assuming that this person is going to be living Right next door to you for a long time.

And so you want to Let them know Who you are and and really win them over as a friend and let them get a sense of Why they should trust you as a person and so on and then gradually Get firmer and firmer in the way that you discuss with them or declare to them the gospel and the penalties for rejecting it as opposed to sitting on a bus.

On a train or in a train in a plane In a waiting room where you may never you're pretty sure you're never gonna see this person that you're sitting next to again. And you might want to right out of the gate be immediately or at least soon after the conversation begins more direct and Really spell it out the whole the whole story of Salvation versus damnation.

Because this person may be hearing the gospel for the first and last time.

That they are on this planet and we have to go to our first break right now.

And actually before we go to the break, I'm gonna read a question from a listener and have you answer it when we return. This is from Jared in San Antonio, Texas and Jared is a first-time questioner.

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But he says my name is Jared. I'm from San Antonio, Texas, you know, my pastor Tim Conway. Oh, yes I know I do. I have a question for brother Jeff Thomas in regards to evangelism. Undoubtedly, brother Thomas is a student of church history and obviously many Saints in the past have went through Pandemics like the one that we are facing today even actually much more severe so my question is What can we learn from church history in regards to how we can evangelize and witness?

During this crisis. Excellent question and we will have Jeff answer that when we return from our first break. If anybody wants to join Jared on the air with a question of your own. Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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We are now back with our discussion with Jeff Thomas on real evangelism and we had as you likely remember Reverend Thomas that before the break. Jared from San Antonio, Texas Asked the question. Undoubtedly, brother Thomas is a student of church history and obviously many saints in the past went through pandemics Like the one we are facing today.

So my question is what can we learn from church history in regards to how we can evangelize and witness during this crisis.

Well, thank you so much Jared and make sure you email me your full mailing address as I said before.

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This is certainly the case. Again, and the church where Jared has identified Where he is a member where Tim Conway is the pastor a church where our guest today arrow. I was gonna say Where I guess today Jeff Thomas is has preached Grace Community Church in San Antonio, Texas.

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Tx .com that's GCC for Grace Community Church SA for San Antonio TX for Texas. Calm GCC SA TX calm. Thank you Jared. And We have a question from Bobby in Hartsdale, New York. He said earlier in the show Chris Arnzen said That preachers and teachers are offices in the church.

I thought that pastors and deacons were the only two offices. Well, perhaps I should have clarified what I meant by that and perhaps our guests Jeff Thomas can chime in unlike evangelism that that every Christian is obligated if they're going to be obedient to God.

Every single Christian who is truly regenerative, of course is obligated to Evangelize whether you're a man a woman or a child obviously a child old enough to understand the gospel and to share that good news with his friends and so on.

But preaching is the either the exclusive role of an elder or pastor, which I think is the same office and Not only the exclusive role of the pastor but those whom the elders.

Give.

That privilege in the congregation to participate in that activity like for instance, I am NOT an Office bearer in the church where I'm a member. I'm not an elder or a deacon, but I have been given the privilege several times a year to preach the gospel at a mission for for Alcohol and drug addicted men.

So that there is that difference that preaching is something that as long as the elders of the church give that person the Liberty to participate in that and and a teacher obviously there's a difference between the role of a teacher in the church and Somebody in their living room teaching something from the Bible as they're evangelizing.

So yes, you're right. The only offices officially in the church are Elder and deacon or pastor and deacon. So do you have anything further to say about that Jeff? Okay, and we have let's see we have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania and BB says Don't you think that we who are reformed have a tendency to have too much?

Harshness and too much condemnation and too much fear in our preaching and evangelism. And I know that this is a minority in Christendom today where most modern evangelicals are only Saving the consciences of lost people but at the same time don't you think that we who are reformed have to make sure that we have an abundance of grace and.

Mercy in our presentation of the gospel and we have to go to our midway break right now.

Thank you so much BB for that excellent question. If anybody else wants to join us on the air, please send in an email to Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. This is our midway break.

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