August 15, 2017 Show with Paul Tautges on “Pray About Everything”

The Meaning and Importance of Prayer

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That's Paul Touches, who is senior pastor at Cornerstone Community Church in Mayfield Heights, Ohio, series editor for Lifeline Mini Books. He's a blogger at counselingoneanother .com and author of many books, including Comfort the Grieving, Counseling One Another, and Brass Heavens.

Today we're going to be addressing a book that he has written titled Pray About Everything, and the subtitle is Cultivating God Dependency. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron, Paul Touches.

Thank you, Chris. It's great to be on your program again. Appreciate it so much.

And in studio with me is my co-host, the Rev. Buzz Taylor.

Hello, it's good to be here again.

And if anybody would like to join us with a question about prayer, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. And please give us at least your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you're living outside of the USA.

You may remain anonymous if this is about a personal and private matter that you are asking about. And first of all, Paul, why don't you let our listeners know about Cornerstone Community Church in Mayfield Heights, Ohio.

Yes, a preaching church. We are part of the Evangelical Free Church of America, which is a fellowship of about 1 ,500 different churches throughout the nation. And we are a Bible-loving congregation, and it's a great privilege to be serving here for the Lord.

Wow, I would have guessed that the number of EV-free congregations in the United States would have been higher than that, because in the places that I've been, I typically see a number of them. I haven't been all over the United States, though, so...

Yeah, back when I was going through the ordination process, coming here in...

Yeah, and the Bible Belt, when it comes to Baptists, I think there's about 1 ,500 every five blocks.

Yeah.

Well, this is a book that is obviously of great importance because of the vital role that prayer plays in the lives of every Christian, or should play in the life of every Christian. If you could, this may sound like a silly question, but if you could define prayer for us.

Yeah, prayer would be to God. God...

Yes, and I see that this book that you have written, Pray About Everything, your forward was written by the late Jerry Bridges. What a blessing to the church Jerry Bridges was. I had the privilege of interviewing him on a couple of occasions, and what a great man of God and a very humble man of God, which is a rare combination.

Yes, Jerry was a man that I was only, unfortunately, able to meet in person the fall of the year. I hope that he's a brand new believer.

Yes, I had the privilege of seeing him in person on a couple of occasions at Bible conferences where he preached, and it was an honor to meet him. Mark Dever says that this book, Pray About Everything, Cultivating God Dependency, he says this is one of his favorite books on prayer, which is quite an endorsement coming from Mark Dever.

Why did you find the need to write this book? What motivated you to write this book, knowing that there are a number, quite a number of books on prayer going way back to the 17th century that I'm aware of.

I'm sure that there are books even earlier than that, but that I'm aware of. We have books spanning the centuries for hundreds of years to the present day on prayer. Why the need for this book that you felt compelled to write?

My ministry in teaching at prayer meetings in Wisconsin when I pastored there, and what I noticed in a couple of decades, and yet as you look at the prayer...

Now the subtitle is Cultivating God Dependency, so I guess in the Christian life we're not supposed to just pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps, I'm assuming.

...family, and yet when you look at the early church in the book of Acts, you see that they often gathered for it, and you also see...

Yeah, dependency is typically used in a derogatory way. Codependency is a common buzzword used today, viewed as an addiction of one person to another. But God dependency, according to you, is something that we need to possess, and if we don't already possess it in sufficient measure, we have to cultivate it, according to you.

Tell us about what you exactly mean by that.

Cultivating God-Dependency and Consistent Prayer

Yeah, and that's exactly why I chose that language, is because dependency ought to be God-dependent, first of all, and then interdependent. So God-dependent, meaning to recognize...

We have a listener named Josiah in Asante, Minnesota. I'm not sure how the Minnesotans pronounce that, or is it Minnesotians? But it's either Asante or Asanthe, I assume. Josiah says, "...it is often easy for Christians to see their need to depend on God when times are hard and when they are going through storms.

But on the flip side, it is easy for a Christian's prayer life to dwindle when things are going well. What are some practical ways to cultivate a consistent prayer life and everyday realization for our need to depend on God, even when things are going well?".

That's an excellent question.

That is an excellent question. Prayer is one that is kind of getting a bad... And yet, you look at the Scriptures and you see that even Jesus, he was disciplined in his... So I think that, first of all, there needs to be...

Where you go each day is in your house. I find myself make comments about how God answered. And so a prayer journal is a very Barnes and Noble, but some kind of a way of... Yeah, I interviewed somebody recently, and I.

Can't remember right now who it was, but I distinctly remember a crucial part of the discussion involved his belief, his strong belief in praying back to God his own words.

Yes, yes. It may have been Brian Chappell who had written about... At the end of Psalm 19, where desire is that patience of his heart would be acceptable to God. Well, and I think you find a biblical precedent for that as well.

You find the psalmist, you find some of the patriarchs restating the promise...

Yeah, Jesus Christ on Calvary was repeating David.

Every time you find Scripture being quoted in Scripture itself is an affirmation that we ought to be talking God's Word.

Thank you so much, Josiah, for the excellent question. And please give us your full mailing address in Asante, Minnesota, so we can have Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service mail you a free copy of Pray About Everything, Cultivating God Dependency by our guest Paul Tauches.

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We have another listener with a biblical name. We have Jeremiah. And Jeremiah is in Charlestown, New Hampshire. And he has quite a lengthy question and that I have to enlarge because the font is too small.

One of the most striking aspects of the early church is their devotion to corporate prayer. Just to list a few examples, they devoted themselves to prayer before they chose a replacement for Judas Iscariot in Acts 1 .14.

They prayed for boldness after Peter and John were threatened by the Sanhedrin in Acts 4. And the believers in Antioch prayed for God's direction for the future of their church, which resulted in God setting apart Paul and Barnabas to bring the gospel to the Gentiles in Acts 13.

When we look at the American church today, the prayer gatherings, if there are any at all, are sparsely attended, often devoid of passion, and can frequently be full of prayer requests that don't have a kingdom mindset.

Why is it that the American church struggles to pray corporately? What can leaders in a church do to encourage a devotion to corporate prayer? And I wonder if this is a unique problem for the American church, knowing that Europe is nearly barren of genuine Christianity, and I know that Asia, the church is exploding in certain areas, but if you could answer, Jerry, or Jeremiah,.

To the best of your ability there. Well, I think that he has definitely hit on something, a deeper issue, and see that Jesus see that, purged and deeply rebuked, encouraged by...

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Let's see here, we have Brandon, and, well, you know, in fact, what I'm going to do is I'm going to go to a break right now before I read Brandon's question, and when we return, we'll pick up with Brandon's question when we return from this brief break.

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Praying Without Ceasing and Corporate Prayer

Welcome back, this is Chris.

Arnzen. If you just tuned in today, our guest for the full two hours with a little less than 90 minutes to go is Paul Tauches, senior pastor at Cornerstone Community Church in Mayfield Heights, Ohio, and we're discussing his book Pray About Everything, Cultivating God Dependency, and if you'd like to join us with a question for Paul, you can email us at chrisarnzen at gmail .com chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

And before the break, I was just about to read a question from Brandon in Franklinton, North Carolina, and I will read that now. Could you ask Pastor Paul to elaborate on what the Apostle Paul means when he commands us to pray without ceasing?

What does this look like throughout the average day in the life of a believer? Could you provide any insight on how you structure prayer meetings within the local body? Those are actually two different questions.

So the first would be, could you elaborate on what the Apostle Paul means when he commands us to pray about ceasing?

Yes, actually, just preach a program that needs to be done throughout your day, recognizing you can be praying at any time throughout the day. Obviously, doing their jobs, and you know, it's driving down our second part of that question.

The second part.

Was, could you provide any insight on how you how you structure prayer readings within the local body.

Over there in Ohio, where you pastor? Yes, in fact, we just had a, we broke it up into kind of prayer. Well, thank you, Brandon. And Frank, Franklinton, North Carolina,.

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To ask a question so that I can get a book from Chris. Still won't happen. Right. But of course, you just brought up another thing that led to a second question. So I'm gonna have to make this quick. But my original question was on the since the last questioner asked about what the Apostle Paul has written concerning prayer.

I wanted to elaborate a little bit to elaborate a little bit on the passage where we're told to pray in the Spirit at all times, specifically, because I know that there are some brethren specifically of the charismatic persuasion who would define that as praying in tongues.

And you know, I just, you know, I have trouble accepting that interpretation, obviously. So if you could elaborate a little bit of what it means to pray in the Spirit at all times. And then also, you just mentioned about how you structured your prayer meeting there.

And, and I sort of recognize that little outline that most of us have heard about ACTS, A-C-T-S, but you reversed the last two letters. So you destroyed the acronym. But you mentioned that you have people praying brief prayers in each section there.

So what you did not have, if I'm understanding correctly, is a whole bunch of people together where people stand up, and some people are just very good at making speeches when they pray. And it's very intimidating to others who are not able, perhaps, to make those kinds of impressive speeches.

Could you address.

That? Yes. Yes. First of all, whenever I open it, let's say it's an open lead out in prayer, I do give some to God, not to one another. So we're also make it clear that we try to keep it. I instruct the people keep it to two or three sentences, and be specific in what you are praising God for what you're sure that God is the one who is glorified as provide the boundary.

Look at the Greek in that text. We have Daniel in San Jose, California,.

Who says, I am in full agreement that we should pray about everything. But in the case of a loved one, who has heard the gospel rejects it and continues in a life of sin. Is it wrong to pray that the Lord.

Is it wrong to pray to the Lord to break that person of everything until they repent? Or would that be a wrong imprecatory prayer? I'm assuming he is asking about a prayer that the person be, you know, be brought to ruin, perhaps, you know, break them of everything, perhaps lose their job or whatever it is, lose, lose a lot of the things that they cling to as idols, perhaps until they are brought to the rock bottom, as they say, is it wrong to pray.

That in regard to a person? No, I do not believe it. And I do not believe it would be wrong to that God would do what is necessary to bring them to seven kinds of grief. There is a grief.

Praying for Repentance, Not Destruction

I have a question of my own to follow up on that. There's a lot of controversy surrounding this topic and a lot of disagreement. But is it appropriate to pray that if the Lord does not bring a certain individual to repentance, that the Lord basically brings an end to his life, his or her life, if this person is causing great harm and calamity, either spiritually or physically in the lives of others?

To give you an example, there was a very well-known Christian radio speaker, I'm going to try to keep this person anonymous, and this person had a lot of influence globally, but perhaps especially in the United States, and was leading a lot of people into heresy, even entire churches into heresy.

And I was at a meeting at a very solid Reformed church that involved the general manager of a radio station that was owned by this individual. This general manager was rebelling appropriately against the station owner that was the one leading multitudes into heresy.

During that meeting, the pastor of the church that was hosting that meeting, or should I say at the end of that meeting, the pastor of that church prayed that the Lord either bring this person to repentance and to sound theology, or that he bring him home, you know, that he bring him home to heaven by bringing an end to his life.

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And now begins our second hour of our interview with Paul Tauches, senior pastor of Cornerstone Community Church in Mayfield Heights, Ohio, series editor for Lifeline Mini-Books, blogger at CounselingOneAnother .com, and author of many books, including Comfort the Grieving, Counseling One Another, and Brass Heavens.

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And of course you don't have to believe identically to me or the predominant theological makeup of the guests that I have on here, although I do have a mixture of theological opinions on Iron Sharp and Zion, but as long as it's compatible with the theology expressed, Reformed theology, I would be more than happy to speak with you about advertising.

Just send an email to chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com, and put advertising in the subject line. We are now back to the discussion with Paul Tauches on Pray About Everything. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, c-h-r-i-s-a-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com, and please give us at least your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence.