August 15, 2017 Show with Paul Tautges on “Pray About Everything”

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day of August 2017, and I have back on the program

someone who has certainly proven himself to be an excellent guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

That's Paul Touches, who is senior pastor at Cornerstone Community Church in Mayfield

Heights, Ohio, series editor for Lifeline Mini Books.

He's a blogger at counselingoneanother .com and author of many books,

including Comfort the Grieving, Counseling One Another, and Brass Heavens.

Today we're going to be addressing a book that he has written titled Pray About

Everything, and the subtitle is Cultivating God Dependency.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron, Paul Touches.

Thank you, Chris.

It's great to be on your program again.

Appreciate it so much.

And in studio with me is my co -host, the Rev. Buzz Taylor.

Hello, it's good to be here again.

And if anybody would like to join us with a question about prayer, our email address is

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And first of all, Paul, why don't you let our listeners know about Cornerstone Community Church

in Mayfield Heights, Ohio.

Yes, a preaching church.

We are part of the Evangelical Free Church of America, which is a

fellowship of about 1 ,500 different churches throughout the nation.

And we are a Bible -loving congregation,

and it's a great privilege to be serving here for the Lord.

Wow, I would have guessed that the number of EV -free congregations in the United States would have been higher than that, because in

the places that I've been, I typically see a number of them.

I haven't been all over the United States, though, so...

Yeah, back when I was going through the ordination

process, coming here in...

Yeah, and the Bible Belt, when it comes to Baptists, I think there's about 1 ,500 every

five blocks.

Yeah.

Well, this is a book that is obviously of great

importance because of the vital role that prayer plays in the lives of every Christian, or

should play in the life of every Christian.

If you could, this may sound like a silly question, but if you could define prayer for us.

Yeah, prayer

would

be to God.

God...

Yes, and I see that this book that you have written, Pray About Everything, your forward was written by the

late Jerry Bridges.

What a blessing to the church Jerry Bridges was.

I had the privilege of interviewing him on a couple of occasions, and what a great

man of God and a very humble man of God, which is a rare combination.

Yes, Jerry was a man that I was only, unfortunately, able to

meet in person the fall of the

year.

I hope that he's a

brand new believer.

Yes, I had the privilege of seeing him in person on a couple of occasions at Bible conferences where

he preached, and it was an honor to meet him.

Mark Dever says that this book, Pray About Everything, Cultivating God Dependency, he

says this is one of his favorite books on prayer, which is quite an endorsement coming from Mark

Dever.

Why did you find the need to write this book?

What motivated you to write this book, knowing that there are a number, quite a number of books on

prayer going way back to the 17th century that I'm

aware of.

I'm sure that there are books even earlier than that, but that I'm aware of.

We have books spanning the centuries for hundreds of years to the present day on prayer.

Why the need for this book that you felt compelled to write?

My ministry in teaching at prayer meetings in Wisconsin when I pastored

there, and what I noticed

in a

couple

of

decades,

and yet

as you

look at

the

prayer...

Now the subtitle is Cultivating God Dependency, so I guess in the Christian life

we're not supposed to just pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps, I'm assuming.

...family, and

yet when you

look at

the early church in the

book of Acts, you see that they often gathered

for it,

and you

also see...

Yeah, dependency is typically used in a derogatory way.

Codependency is a common buzzword used today,

viewed as an addiction of one person to another.

But God dependency, according to you, is something that we need to possess,

and if we don't already possess it in sufficient measure, we have to cultivate it, according to you.

Tell us about what you exactly mean by that.

Yeah, and that's exactly why I chose that language, is because dependency

ought

to be God -dependent, first of all, and then interdependent.

So God -dependent, meaning to recognize...

We have a listener named Josiah in Asante, Minnesota.

I'm not sure how the Minnesotans pronounce that, or is it Minnesotians?

But it's either Asante or Asanthe, I assume.

Josiah says, "...it is often easy for Christians to see their

need to depend on God when times are hard and when they are going through storms.

But on the flip side, it is easy for a Christian's prayer life to dwindle when things are

going well.

What are some practical ways to cultivate a consistent prayer life and everyday realization

for our need to depend on God, even when things are going well?".

That's an excellent question.

That is an excellent question.

Prayer is

one that is kind of

getting

a bad...

And yet,

you look at the Scriptures and you see that even Jesus, he was

disciplined in his...

So I think

that, first of all, there

needs to be...

Where you go each day is in your house.

I find myself make

comments

about how

God answered.

And so

a

prayer

journal is a very

Barnes

and Noble, but some

kind of a

way of...

Yeah, I

interviewed somebody recently, and I.

Can't remember right now who it was, but I distinctly remember a

crucial part of the discussion involved his belief, his strong belief in

praying back to God his own words.

Yes, yes.

It may have been Brian Chappell who had

written about...

At the end of

Psalm 19, where desire is

that patience of his heart would be acceptable to God.

Well, and I

think you find a biblical precedent

for that as well.

You find the psalmist, you find some of the patriarchs restating the promise...

Yeah, Jesus Christ on Calvary was repeating David.

Every time you find Scripture being quoted in Scripture itself is an

affirmation that we ought to be talking God's Word.

Thank you so much, Josiah, for the excellent question.

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We have another listener with a

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We have Jeremiah.

And Jeremiah is in Charlestown, New Hampshire.

And he has quite a lengthy question and that I have to enlarge because the font is too small.

One of the most striking aspects of the early church is their devotion to corporate prayer.

Just to list a few examples, they devoted themselves to prayer before they chose a replacement for Judas

Iscariot in Acts 1 .14.

They prayed for boldness after Peter and John were threatened by the Sanhedrin in Acts 4.

And the believers in Antioch prayed for God's direction for the future of their church, which resulted in God

setting apart Paul and Barnabas to bring the gospel to the Gentiles in

Acts 13.

When we look at the American church today, the prayer gatherings, if there are any at all, are sparsely

attended, often devoid of passion, and can frequently be full of prayer requests that don't

have a kingdom mindset.

Why is it that the American church struggles to pray corporately?

What can leaders in a church do to encourage a devotion to corporate prayer?

And I wonder if this is a unique problem for the American church, knowing that

Europe is nearly barren of genuine Christianity, and I know that Asia,

the church is exploding in certain areas, but if you could answer, Jerry, or

Jeremiah,.

To the best of your ability there.

Well, I think that he has definitely hit on something,

a deeper

issue,

and see

that

Jesus

see

that,

purged

and

deeply rebuked, encouraged by...

I just wanted to announce something, since you mentioned the Soviet Union, before I

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United States, and I happened to discover just a few months ago that he's a usher in the church, where I'm a

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We have, oh, by the way, I want to let Jeremiah know that

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Let's see here, we have Brandon,

and, well, you know, in fact, what I'm going to do is I'm going to go to a break

right now before I read Brandon's question, and when we return, we'll pick up

with Brandon's question when we return from this brief break.

I didn't want to cut you off in mid -sentence while you're answering Brandon's question.

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Pray About Everything, Cultivating God Dependency, and if

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And before the break, I was just about to read a question from Brandon

in Franklinton, North Carolina, and I will read that now.

Could you ask Pastor Paul to elaborate on what the Apostle Paul means when he commands us to pray

without ceasing?

What does this look like throughout the average day in the life of a believer?

Could you provide any insight on how you structure prayer meetings within the local body?

Those are actually two different questions.

So the first would be, could you elaborate on what the

Apostle Paul means when he commands us to pray about ceasing?

Yes,

actually,

just

preach a

program

that

needs to be

done throughout

your day, recognizing

you can be praying at any time throughout the day.

Obviously,

doing

their

jobs,

and

you

know,

it's

driving

down

our

second

part

of

that

question.

The

second

part.

Was, could you provide any insight on how you how you structure prayer readings within the local

body.

Over there in Ohio,

where you pastor?

Yes, in fact, we just had a,

we broke it up into

kind of

prayer.

Well,

thank

you,

Brandon.

And

Frank,

Franklinton,

North

Carolina,.

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And Reverend Buzz Taylor had something to say.

Well, yes, I of course have.

To ask a question so that I can get a book from Chris.

Still won't happen.

Right.

But of course, you just brought up another thing that led to a second question.

So I'm gonna have to make this quick.

But my original question was on the since the last

questioner asked about what the Apostle Paul has written concerning prayer.

I wanted to elaborate a little bit to elaborate a little bit on the passage where we're told to pray in the

Spirit at all times, specifically, because I know that there are some brethren specifically of the

charismatic persuasion who would define that as praying in tongues.

And you know, I just, you know, I have trouble accepting that interpretation, obviously.

So if you could elaborate a little bit of what it means to pray in the Spirit at all times.

And then also, you just mentioned about how you structured your prayer meeting there.

And, and I sort of recognize that little outline that most of us have heard about ACTS, A -C -T

-S, but you reversed the last two letters.

So you destroyed the acronym.

But you mentioned that you have people praying brief prayers

in each section there.

So what you did not have, if I'm understanding correctly, is a whole bunch of people together where people

stand up, and some people are just very good at making speeches when they pray.

And it's very intimidating to others who are not able, perhaps, to make those kinds of impressive speeches.

Could you address.

That?

Yes.

Yes.

First of all, whenever I open it, let's say it's

an open lead out in prayer, I do

give

some to God, not

to one another.

So we're also make it clear that

we try to keep it.

I instruct the people keep it to two or three sentences, and be specific in what you are praising

God

for what

you're

sure

that God

is the

one who is

glorified

as

provide

the

boundary.

Look

at

the

Greek

in

that

text.

We

have

Daniel

in San Jose,

California,.

Who says, I am in full agreement that we should pray about everything.

But in the case of a loved one, who has heard the gospel rejects it and

continues in a life of sin.

Is it wrong to pray that the Lord.

Is it wrong to pray to the Lord to break that person of everything

until they repent?

Or would that be a wrong imprecatory prayer?

I'm assuming he is asking about a prayer that the person be,

you know, be brought to ruin, perhaps, you know, break them of everything, perhaps lose their job or whatever it is,

lose, lose a lot of the things that they cling to as idols, perhaps until they are

brought to the rock bottom, as they say, is it wrong to pray.

That in

regard to a

person?

No, I do not

believe it.

And I do not believe it would be wrong to

that God would do what is necessary to bring

them

to seven

kinds of grief.

There is a grief.

I have a question of my own to follow up on that.

There's a lot of controversy surrounding this topic and a lot of disagreement.

But is it appropriate to pray that if the Lord does

not bring a certain individual to repentance, that the Lord

basically brings an end to his life, his or her life, if this person is

causing great harm and calamity, either spiritually or physically in the lives of others?

To give you an example, there was a very well -known

Christian radio speaker, I'm going to try to keep this person

anonymous, and this person had a lot of influence globally,

but perhaps especially in the United States, and was leading a lot of people into heresy, even

entire churches into heresy.

And I was at a meeting at a very solid Reformed church

that involved the general manager of a radio station that was owned by this individual.

This general manager was rebelling appropriately against

the station owner that was the one leading multitudes into heresy.

During that meeting, the pastor of the church that was hosting that meeting, or should I say at the end

of that meeting, the pastor of that church prayed that the Lord either bring this

person to repentance and to sound theology, or that he bring him

home, you know, that he bring him home to heaven by bringing an end to

his life.

And of course, praying that somebody dies doesn't always mean they're going to heaven.

You might be praying for the death of someone that is certainly demonstrating that they are not

saved and will not go to heaven.

That you might have, in fact, I know of a woman who her ex -husband is causing

such grief and pain constantly for decades into the lives of her

family that she was wondering if it would be appropriate to pray, Lord either save him or bring an end to his

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This is Chris Arnzen,.

And now begins our second hour of our interview with Paul

Tauches, senior pastor of Cornerstone Community Church in Mayfield Heights, Ohio,

series editor for Lifeline Mini -Books, blogger at CounselingOneAnother .com, and

author of many books, including Comfort the Grieving, Counseling One Another, and Brass Heavens.

Today we are addressing his book, Pray About Everything, Cultivating God

Dependency.

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And before we went to the break, Paul, I was asking you about imprecatory prayer that

actually involves the death of someone.

I mean, if you want to take it to its extreme, you might say, was it a

proper prayer for the Christian living in Nazi -occupied Germany

for the death of Adolf Hitler if he did not come to repentance and faith?

But even on a more common level, somebody who has an ex -spouse, for instance, like

I mentioned, who's wreaking havoc in the family, doing great harm to the family, and

the ex -wife of this individual asked me, is it proper for me to

pray that the Lord either saves him or brings an end to his life?

Is that appropriate?

I'm going to answer that very candidly.

I don't believe it's to be a regular way that we pray.

There may be

a time when that is appropriate.

Let me give some context to why I'm answering that the way that I am.

I'm thinking specifically of the sin leading to death,

which I understand to be God's ultimate form of disciplining the believer

who has become hard -hearted.

And in that

context, Apostle John says that he's not saying

that we should make a request for it.

What I understand is that in the scriptures, in the New Testament in particular, we do find some

examples of God using death as the

discipline of a disobedient believer.

We see it in Acts chapter 5, the death of Ananias and

Sapphira.

God alone, he revealed that to the Apostles, and

therefore the Apostles find first

before the

destruction

death.

And when you talk about the destruction of even

find God doing this in the church at

Corinth

later,

be

very

careful,

must

be

very

careful.

Thy will

be for

God.

And by the way, I forgot to tell Daniel in San Jose, California, who asked the

question prior to my own.

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Can I just add one more thing, Chris?

Sure.

That I think is again, as I said,

if we are praying that kind of a prayer, I

think that's

a clear, deep grief.

We come to the

point of

saying whether or

not we

are.

Amen.

And we have Jenny in Ben Salem, Pennsylvania, who asks,.

My non -Calvinist friends are under the impression that Calvinists need not pray to God

because they believe that since Calvinists believe that God knows everything, then why bother praying,

since God has predestined us already to receive whatever he predestined us to receive?

My argument that prayer is not only a commandment, but it is a form

of communion we have with the living God as well as focusing on the dependence we truly

need for God.

What do you suggest on how I can expand further in my response to non

-Calvinists?

Yes,

well, I

think

that

the best

beginning

and

end

of all

things...

I know that Reverend Buzz Taylor has a question, but before he asks it, I have the same question

to non -Calvinists.

If God basically cannot impose himself

upon a lost person, so much so that the person's alleged

free will has been stripped of him, that

basically the final arbiter of somebody's eternal destiny is that person's own

free choice, then why pray for somebody's salvation?

I mean, what is God going.

To do?

Yes, that's exactly...

Yeah, I've heard many an Arminian pray, Lord, please open

Joe's eyes.

Lord, please give Joe new ears to hear the gospel.

Please, Lord, give Joe a new heart.

Things like that.

Why are they praying that way if they don't believe that God does those things

in order to bring someone to obedience to the gospel?

If you follow what I'm saying, they believe that somebody is regenerate and has a new heart after they

already demonstrate faith.

So it's interesting that people who are who are enemies of Calvinism pray that

way on many occasions.

He has, but we are

not, and that

is why we...

And Reverend Buzz Taylor?

Of course, that gets back to praying God's word back to him also, knowing what to pray for, as you were saying earlier.

But it says in 1 John 5, 14 and 15, if we ask anything

according to his will, he hears us.

And if we know that he hears us, we know that we have the petitions that we've of him.

So as we're acknowledging the sovereignty of God, would you explain a little bit on 1 John 5, 14 and 15?

What is it to pray according to God's will and to know that he hears us?

Yes, and I believe that's where the word of God comes in.

No, the only way that we know the will,

and that's why we must be word sent to Ephesians

5 and Colossians 3, the praise and thanksgiving, which let's just call it

prayer, because that's what it is.

You know, the psalms are singable prayers.

That's what they were.

Thanksgiving, Colossians 3

and Ephesians 5, the only

way to know the will

of God.

So this isn't talking about just, well, you know, I didn't know whether I should start a Christian camp or

something like that.

You know, well, if God wills it, he'll hear me.

But if he doesn't, well, I guess he won't, or anything like that.

You're saying that is in reference to praying the word of God.

And of course, you mentioned the Psalms, which is loaded with prayers that we have to admit are according to God's will.

Yes, and

of course, we

all

understand

that there

are many subject

according to biblical practice.

Another thing occurred to me that Arminians really are left with the

same dilemma, if there is a dilemma, because even as Jenny built into her own

question, when she was saying that Arminians say that,

since Calvinists believe that God knows everything, well, Arminians believe God knows everything.

So why are they even asking God to do things in

prayer?

Because if they know, and they believe that God knows everything, then he knows what will happen in the

future.

And therefore, why are they asking him?

So they're really, they don't have a ground or any ground to stand on

to bring that question against Calvinists as if this is some

kind of a revelatory question that

reveals that we are in some kind of a predicament that disproves our own theology, if

you follow what I'm saying.

Yeah,

I do.

And

I

think

that

as long...

In fact, there is a heresy that you are probably aware of, called open theism.

And they identify themselves, those who are open theists, they identify themselves as consistent

Arminians, because they don't believe that God knows all future events.

And that's one of the reasons that they say they pray, because that God is going to

possibly bring about something as an answer to prayer, because the future is

not settled, it is not preordained.

So that's why this heresy, those who

adhere to it say to the Arminians, hey, you guys aren't being consistent with your theology,

we are bringing it to its logical conclusion.

Wouldn't you agree with the open theists?

Although they are wrong, they are heretically wrong, but they are right in.

That logical assumption, aren't they?

Yes, they are.

That's right.

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John in Simsbury, Connecticut says, I would like to know your thoughts on continued

prayers day after day.

Should we ask for the same things, or should we expect God to answer our prayers with confidence after

asking once?

And we'll have you answer that after we return from our very final break.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen, if you just tuned us in.

Our guest today for the full two hours, with one hour to go, I'm sorry, with 25 minutes to go,

is Paul Tauches, senior pastor of Cornerstone Community Church in Mayfield Heights, Ohio.

We are discussing his book, Pray About Everything, Cultivating God Dependency.

If you'd like to join us with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com,

chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

And if you intend to send in a question, I would do it quickly, because we are rapidly running out of time.

Before I return to my discussion with Paul Tauches, I just want to inform you that

tomorrow our guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio will be Michael J. Kruger,

and he is the president of Reform Theological Seminary and the author of the that we are going to be

discussing tomorrow, The Heresy of Orthodoxy.

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understanding of early Christianity.

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And then on Friday, the 18th of August, we have Tom Askell, the president of Founders Ministries,

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believe today.

So make sure you tune in those three days if possible.

And we are now back to our discussion on prayer.

And before the break, I asked a question by John in Simsbury, Connecticut.

I would like to know your thoughts on continued prayers day after day.

Should we ask for the same things or should we expect God to answer our prayers with confidence just after

asking once?

So the goodness of the

grounds

keep on knocking.

And perhaps even more pointed would be the parable that we find in Luke 18, or

the nagging widow, because there is a

there's

a positive

nagging

going on

in this parable

on praying, something

that

we really

fully demanding from God.

Yes.

Well,

I'm

assuming

it helped

John.

I

don't know.

But

because

he's.

Obviously not in the room with me, but it helped help me.

And by the way, John, don't ever ask that question again.

I'm just kidding.

John, you have won our final copy of Pray About Everything,

Cultivating God Dependency by Paul Touches.

Thank you for providing us with your address in Simsbury, Connecticut, Cumberland Valley Bible Book

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God willing, we'll get that book off to you in the mail,.

Hopefully very soon.

And I was going to say John just won my copy, right?

That's right.

In fact, John won my copy.

There was some.

Well, send me one, too, because I gave away even my copy today.

There were so many listeners because there were even more that we couldn't provide books to that are waiting for

their.

Questions to be asked and answered.

You let me know how many you need and I'll send them out.

Oh, great.

I'll do that.

I wanted to ask a question of my own first that hinges on

John in Simsbury, Connecticut's question.

How do you respond to somebody who may be improperly exegeting or perhaps

eisegeting the passage in Matthew chapter six, verse seven?

And they may be wrongly applying it to what John was asking about.

We have in Matthew chapter six, verse seven, and when you are praying, do not use

meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for

their many words.

How is that not.

To be applied to

what John was

asking about?

Yes, form

did not have.

He tells his

disciples to be aware of practicing righteousness before people in order to

be seen.

That phrase is repeated, in order to be seen, which tells us that the issue isn't.

Jesus does say elsewhere and

glorify God

should

never be to

be seen

by

men.

And

then you

can pray

nice and

give.

Remember

the

first time I stumbled upon this verse as a brand new believer, because I was saved out of Roman.

Yes, you would.

Even, I was raised Roman Catholic.

I was raised Roman Catholic as well.

And we would be taught to pray the Our Father, or pray

the Hail Mary, which is obviously something that no Christian should pray.

But it was.

It was viewed almost even though they would never describe it in these words, it was obviously viewed

as a near nearly as a magical incantation

or,.

Or something

like

that.

Yes, yes,

my father in

heaven,

I need

to

be

reliant

upon

him for

my daily

bread

by God

through

the Reverend.

Buzz

Taylor has a question

or

comment.

Chris, you just brought this up.

So but there is, I've heard back and forth

on this.

And I'm asking you this, as a pastor.

And when we talk, we talk about vain repetition and praying the Our Father, of course, there are some

who say, Jesus was just giving us an outline of prayer, what to pray for others say, well, he said, when

you pray, say, and then you get the Lord's Prayer.

So what is your thought about, about praying the Lord's Prayer repetitiously, or.

Even as part of a particular worship liturgy?

Yeah, I don't think that that there's anything unbiblical about that, provided

that what's happening there is we are praying God's Scripture back to him, in a

way in which in our mind is honestly in with what

God is saying there.

And it is

a different than what Jesus is condemning here, which is the

meaningless repetition of empty.

Phrases.

Well, right, we could even take the Lord's Prayer or the Disciples Prayer, as some have called it, or the Our Father,

we could take that prayer and turn it into meaningless phrases, even though the words that are God

breathed, have a meaning, but we can turn them into sounds.

I can remember clearly as a Catholic young man, and as a boy, a little boy,

praying as fast as I could to have the appropriate number of repetitions

that I was required to pray, like if it was after confession or something

like that, where you would be saying the words of the Lord's Prayer and the Hail Mary Prayer, you'd be

saying them so fast that they were really just phonetic, you know, combinations of phonetic

noises rather than actual words.

Well, it

was a duty that if

I didn't do this, I wouldn't be forgiven.

I wouldn't be accepted by God.

You know, so, I mean, you could take anything and turn it into meaningless

repetition.

I mean, I think Psalm 51, Psalm 23, these are beautiful.

Pray them in a way that I'm interacting with them

in a worship of the Lord, that the Lord is my shepherd.

Now, that psalm could just as well as Matthew 6, it could be taken

and repeated over and over and over in a meaningless, empty kind of way, and that would be

displeasing, but it could be sung.

So, whether it's vain repetition or not is really a matter of our own

heart.

Yeah, I can remember my mother, when she was on her deathbed, she was a Roman Catholic

who came to a true understanding of the Gospel six weeks before she entered

into eternity with Christ, and I can remember I gave

her, I believe, Valley of Vision, just as like a guide to praying, since she

was so used to praying in that stilted Catholic way of rehearsed

prayers, but then she was under the wrong assumption that she was to use that Valley of Vision book in the same

way, and she said to me, Chris, I really want to pray to the Lord,

but my eyes bother me, I can't read the prayer book too long, and I get a

headache, and I said, Mom, just talk to God like he's your father, because he is your father, you're his child,

he's your father, just cry out to him as a child, like a little

child crying out to her daddy, and it was like these

scales dropped off of her eyes, and she began to pray in a way that she had never

prayed before,.

And it was something that revolutionary happened in her

life.

Yeah, I

believe that

they're not.

We have CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, and

CJ asks, I don't know if you remember the radio

host Bob George of People to People, but he

used to instruct his listeners that it was actually a sin to ask God

for forgiveness if you were already born again, because that meant you were doubting

the salvation that he provided through his death for you.

Can you.

Respond to this?

It sounds like crazy heresy to me.

Yes, it is crazy heresy.

You only need to read the end of 1 John 1 and the beginning of 1 John 2 to understand

in the New Testament that we, even we as believers, have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit,

forgiven by God through Christ, that we will continue to battle sin,

and when God makes us a possibility to confess our sins to

God, so doing, when you're confessing sin to God,

there's something else that happens at the same time, and

even Jesus, again there in Matthew 6, he instructs us

to continue to forgive us.

So, yes, that is very bad teaching that I have run into over the years.

Yes, in fact, Bob George,.

I remember him being on a station that I worked for for 15 years.

I'm not saying that he was on the station that long.

I think he was taken off the air for a period, but Bob George even used

to say that it was a sin to pray the Lord's Prayer, because that prayer was instructed by

Jesus while he was still alive prior to his death.

So, really crazy stuff.

Well, I want you to now conclude with.

A summary of what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners

today.

Those of us

who, in

the

death burial,

we come and we

delight,

not

give up.

Amen, and

I know

that

your.

Blog site is CounselingOneAnother .com, CounselingOneAnother .com,

and I know that the website for the church where you pastor is

CornerstoneMayfield .org, CornerstoneMayfield

.org, and if you want to look up more information about Pray About Everything,

Paul's book that we have been discussing today, you could go to ShepardPress .com, ShepardPress

.com, and as always, you can order all the books discussed on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio through

CVBBS .com, CV for Cumberland Valley, BBS for BibleBookService .com, any other

contact information you care to give Paul.

Well, I want to thank you so much for being our guest today.

I want to thank the Rev. Buzz Taylor for being my co -host today, and I want to thank everybody who listened, especially those who wrote

in questions, and all of you who have written in questions today will get a copy of Pray About

Everything, Cultivating God's Dependency by Paul Tauches.

Due to his kindness and generosity, he's sending us extra books, and I want you all to always remember for the rest

of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.