Video Reactions & a Listener Dilemma (Special Guest Robert Bonds) | S6 E2

Boom, pop, pow. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Point Taken Christian Podcast. Today we have Pastor Josiah Shipley, and then we have Robert. Robert, I can't remember your last name.

Bonds.

Bonds, that's it. My man.

I knew that.

Robert Bonds.

So, I don't know. I'm like on a first name basis with a lot of people here, and I'm just like, what's your last name?

We can call him Robert.

Most people do.

So, I'm not trying to call a particular person out. I will leave her nameless, but she's like, I watch you. She came up to me this morning at church, and she said, I watch you on the podcast like every week, and I cannot remember your name.

No, she didn't. You introduce yourself every week.

That's so awesome.

No, and then I didn't know that. And if she's watching, I didn't have the courage to tell her that I could not remember her name.

Let me tell you something. I'm gonna tell you what I do.

I'm so embarrassed.

This happens to me all the time.

I'm so bad with names.

I like, I'm straightforward now. I've just gotten to that point. I'm like, hey, how you doing? I forgot your name, but luckily I don't feel bad because I'm 80 sure you forgot mine.

Hey, that's a good, I'm gonna steal that.

When they hesitate, I'm like, excellent, I feel better. What's your name?

I just say, we'll do it two or three more times, and then we'll get it.

You just go ahead in front of the friends,.

And that's what happened two or three times.

I did a lot of things as a child.

I can't remember.

See, I can't use that excuse.

Right. Yeah.

I mean, you got punched in the face.

I still do.

In the head, yeah.

That's a present.

You're right.

Football as a 30. Your birthday's today.

Happy birthday.

Thank you.

Happy birthday.

Happy birthday.

I forgot about that.

It was technically yesterday, but.

34.

Oh, no, that is right, because I saw your sister on Friday, and she said it was tomorrow. I can remember. But yeah, happy birthday.

Yeah, of course.

I always tell my wife that it's the 16th.

I know, you're freaking messed up.

I changed the code in her phone, and she almost got locked out,.

Because it's my birthday.

Stop.

She almost got locked out. So when she typed it in, she goes, maybe it is his birthday. She goes to the side, quit playing. Did you change the code on my phone, or is your birthday really?

She has a one-month-old,.

And she's like, I don't know.

Like, she'll be on her phone at the insurance company. She goes, this is not the time to play Josiah. Is it the 16th or the 17th?

I need you to be serious right now.

I can't be serious if she says that sentence.

Oh, bless her heart. You have a very patient wife.

She has to be.

I would say, thank you,.

That seems like an insult.

She is pretty patient.

No, it's a compliment to you that she is so patient.

That's good. It's your fault that she's patient,.

I think is what she said. Yeah, you have made her a patient woman.

That's right.

Isn't that a Proverbs 31 thing?

Thank you.

Yeah, maybe.

Thank you.

I have helped sanctify her.

That's what you're saying?

I have been the tool in God's hand to sanctify my wife's patience.

That's much better.

She's understanding, and your prayers aren't hindered.

My prayers are not hindered. That's exactly right.

That's good.

Well, God bless Rachel. We love her.

She's pretty awesome.

So today, we are actually going to be doing TikTok reactions. Our producers, Dalton and Lowell, have picked out some awesome TikToks for us to react to. So we have not seen these, so we can have our genuine reactions.

So, are you going to be surprised?

I am already.

So I've heard that we have some wackadoos in this mix, is what I call them. So I'm really excited to see what's sad.

Last time we did this, it was a bunch of blasphemy. So let's see how this is.

There was actually one person, I think Lowell ended up picking, that it was in the group message that I sent, and I said, we need to do one of this girl's videos, because she's pretty nuts. But that one came through on my Shorts feed.

Oh, look at that.

And I was just like, oh yeah, we got to react to it. So I haven't seen the video, but I've seen some of her stuff before. She's pretty freaking nuts. So we'll have to see.

Recently, I did hear about a new translation out called the Gen Z Bible, where someone had taken the scriptures and translated it into Gen Z language. Now I'm going to read part of this. I do want to let you know, I would never dishonor God's word.

I have triple checked this to make sure this is exactly what Luke 1 communicates when the angel talks to Mary. Check this out. Mary was a pick me girl for God and was simping for him in prayer. When the angel Gabriel appeared to her and said, Ayo, you're a real one, and the top G is feeling you.

I don't know what they're saying.

But she thought his compliment was sus and gave him the side eye. So he said, baby girl, chill. God sent me to tell you, you've passed this vibe check. And low key, he wants you to have the main character.

You name him Jesus, and they will all say, he's him.

He's him.

She said.

I like that part.

How can this be, since I promised him my body count will always be zero.

Stop.

Respectfully.

He said, this ain't about cuffing season. For the Holy Spirit will live rent free in you and your boy. Jesus will be a divine bro. Beside, your cousin Elizabeth is with child. She who is already older than a boomer and whose husband is way past beekeeping age.

So Mary said, bet. Gabriel left her on red and she let the Holy Spirit cook.

Gabriel left her on red.

So I saw one thing, like they don't say child. Is it child?

What is that?

What is that?

Oh, child. I think that was like the seventies. I don't know how to even say it. You know, you remember the old black lady would be like, oh, child, stop.

Oh, okay. Cause I was like, I saw like child. And then I was like, did he say that? And it sounded like he actually said that. I don't know. I just, I didn't, I don't know Gen Z slang. We were talking about that earlier before we hit record.

It was comical in the way that like, that's how Gen Z speaks. But the fact that they use that to translate scripture is insulting.

Into the word, I agree.

Yes.

Yeah.

It's weird because I read Luke one this week.

Oh, did you?

Yes, I did.

Confirmation.

I read Luke one this week.

Well, half of what they were saying, I'm just like, I don't even know what that is.

Okay.

Sound a little sus, bro.

When it said, she was simping for God.

Right, I know what it sounds like.

I guess, okay. So like, that's a, yeah. Like when it's, I don't even know how to respond to that. I mean, that's pretty crazy.

I don't know what simping is.

Simping? I know what it means. I'll let Dalton say it. You get the Dalton mic.

Come on.

Yeah. No, no, no.

Grab the microphone. Give us your interpretation to try.

And speak. Go.

Okay, simping, trying to figure out the right wording for it, it's like, if you do something, like if you like it.

Give me a context.

Okay, so let's say a high school boy likes a girl, okay? And you go in and you're trying to do something nice, basically flirting with her. Yeah, that was my understanding. Yeah, and you're like, oh dude, why are you such a simp?

Because you're kind of like trying to just hang out with her all the time.

Is it slang for like simpleton?

I thought it was like sympathize.

Sympathize? Like.

Yeah, but it's flirting.

Yeah.

Especially flirting.

Just being kind.

Yeah.

Yes.

Okay.

Flirting.

So.

So in that context, what did they say?

God was flirting with her. Is that what we heard?

Mary was flirting with God.

Yeah, that's why I made that sound when I, because my understanding was it was a synonym for flirting. That's obviously blasphemous.

Right.

That's not funny. But I did like when they said, and you'll have a son.

And he's him.

I did like that part.

Left. Gabriel. Unread. I guess she didn't respond to him.

Oh, like unread?

Like in a written text message?

Yeah, I read the text message and she did, yeah.

A divine bro.

That one was kind of funny.

Yeah.

So.

It's like bad taste, but kind of funny.

Cringy at most.

It is kind of like when Pastor Jeff has said before, you know, when you have the, especially in the nineties, the young youth pastor and like he'll like roll up a sleeve halfway so you can see his sleeve tattoo.

And he's like, you know, JC's up in the house. He's your bro. But he's also the sovereign king of the universe. He's returning to judge the living and the dead.

They call us brother, you know, and friend.

Right, yeah.

But he's also coming back to judge the living and the dead.

Yeah, very much so.

So, yeah, that wasn't my favorite translation.

No.

Because it wasn't a translation.

I didn't even know that was. Like, is that a real version? Yeah, I'm going to look that up. Like, not that I don't believe you, I don't want it to be true.

There's one that I've read. It's called Hawaiian Pigeon, but it's basically almost ebonics, almost just super modern slang. Like instead of saying Jesus on the side, we'll say, and Jesus and the boys went to town.

Right.

Like something like that.

Right.

But obviously for anyone who doesn't know, that is not a serious translation. A translation is something that takes the original Greek and Hebrew and translates it into modern day, not make it sound like what you want to say.

So, yeah, that was pretty humorous, but no, that would not be a Bible that would be read at this church.

So there's an actual website. It's genz .bible.

Of course there is.

Well, wouldn't there be?

Of course there is.

I'm trying to click on, maybe it's just taken. Okay, let's go to.

Maybe you have to subscribe.

No, it just popping up a different. Exodus one. First one. So here's the deal.

Here's the deal.

These are the names of the children of Israel who made their way to Egypt. Each person along with their fam rolled with Jacob. Yo fam, check out these OG brothers. It's Ruben, Simon, Levi, and Judah.

At least it keeps their names.

Yo, it's Dan, Naphtali, Dad, or Gad, and Asher. So like all the people who came from Jacob's fam.

Did it say so like?

Yes, so comma, like comma, all the people who came from Jacob's fam.

So comma, like comma.

So like all the people who came from Jacob's fam were like 70 in total cause Joseph was already living it up in Jesus, you know. Oh my God.

This is.

Like this is, it's insulting.

Can I see one?

Yeah.

What are you going for?

John 20, 28.

Oh geez. This is actually kind of.

Should I read what it actually says?

Yes.

John 20, 28, Jesus appears to Thomas. This is for real. Jesus appears to Thomas after he's been resurrected. And he says, peace be with you. And Thomas looks at him and worships him and says, my Lord and my God.

That's what Thomas said to Jesus. My Lord and my God.

We'll see.

Y 'all ready for this one? This is John chapter 20 from the Gen Z Bible. The other homies were like, yo, we saw the Lord, but he was like, nah, I need to see his hands and those nail marks and stick my finger in them and even put my hand in his side or I ain't gonna believe.

And like eight and comma, like comma, eight days later, his squad was all gathered together again, including Thomas, you know? And Jesus suddenly showed up even though the doors were totally closed. This is Ricky reading this crap.

And he was like, what's up guys? Peace out y 'all. And he said to Thomas, yo, come here and check this out. Feel my hands, put your finger and put your hand in my side. Don't doubt bro, just believe. And Thomas was like, yo, Jesus, you're my main homie, bro.

You're my Lord, my God, all in one. Jesus, so this is what the sovereign creator said. Jesus said to Thomas like, bro, I get why you believe because you saw me and all, but real blessings go to those who haven't seen me yet still believe.

I can't read any more of this. All right, I can't do any more of that. So, all right, yeah, what do we have to say about that? That's ridiculous. That is heretical and that is pathetic.

Well, it's the fact that, well, like you said, it's heretical, it's pathetic. I think it's stupid in the way that like, if this generation cannot even begin to comprehend like the ESV version of scripture, it's just like that is insulting to your intelligence and that's upsetting.

But I think this is more of like a comical, I would hope this would be.

I would hope so.

Yeah, well, I mean, if it's used in a comical, I mean, that's one thing.

If that's a Sunday morning, someone's preaching out of that.

Could you imagine if someone was quoting the scripture,.

Scripture, quote unquote?

No, no, like off of memory, like they memorized this version.

Yo, bro, chillax.

Well, what happened was. So this is Genesis one. In the very start, God made the sky and the earth. So basically at first the earth was a hot mess. It didn't have any structure or anything, just emptiness and darkness all around.

But then the spirit of God started doing its thing.

I can't help but like talk with expression.

Then God was like, yo, let there be light. And boom.

The boom, I don't mind. I don't mind the boom. It might have been loud. He might've created sound when he did that. That's okay.

Oh, and then verse four. And then God was like, yo, this light is lit.

This light is lit, bro.

This light is lit. And was it loud? Cause there was no one to hear it yet.

Oh, that was deep.

But yeah, otherwise, like if this is a real, if this was a real version someone was reading, I would be very concerned. Like as their Bible or whatever. I'd be very concerned. Cause it's like, to me, this is funny, but I would never take this as scripture.

Well, you know, it's like, we're saying the younger generation. We all, when people want God, when people want him to look like them, that's why you can walk into some churches and there's a picture of a pale Jesus with blonde hair.

I don't know any pale people who live in the Middle East.

Can you find me someone living in the Mediterranean, living in Israel, who has pale skin, is six foot four and blonde with blue eyes?

Probably not.

Probably not, right?

They might be in Albano and they definitely don't have blue eyes.

Probably where they're getting their frame of reference from.

Right.

Yeah, I just, I don't know. I think it's comical, but if that is your scripture, that is a big, you need to do some self-reflecting.

Or what would you do if your child came up to you and quoted that scripture and you have absolutely no idea what, it'd be like common core math. I cannot do common core math. I don't understand the box.

You can't do nine and 10?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I can't do regular math. I couldn't figure out common core math. Like some people have talked about that. I'm like, there's no way I'm gonna figure that out.

Well, there's a box and there's things that you add. And I just, I don't understand. I didn't do good in algebra anyway.

I did pretty good in algebra.

No, but like, yeah. But if my kid came up quoting this to me, I would probably smack them in the mouth.

Yeah, 100%.

Like, what the heck are you reading? Like, this is not scripture.

Well, it humanizes Jesus and the deity of God, you know, the bro. And the, you know.

Well, and it takes the respect out of it too. Like Pastor Josiah said, like you were talking about the all sovereign God of the universe and you're calling him, like your bro, like there's that one song.

I don't know if it was like in the 70s or 80s or like whatever time period. But it was like, Jesus is my friend. Jesus is a friend of mine or whatever. And I'm like, I just don't like the, I don't like being like, Jesus is my friend.

Like, I understand that Jesus is my friend. He is the son of God. He is like all sovereign, whatever. But I'm like, but like you said, they take it to a point of where it's like, hey buddy, you know, like, hey Jesus, even though he was friends with his disciples, like he deserves respect.

It can be taken too far.

Yeah.

That's what you're saying.

Yeah, and it's like, he's not just like some buddy buddy that you're, you know, hanging out with and like having a good time with. Like, no, he's the sovereign God.

Yeah, I mean, we even put boundaries on those with their own children. Like Robert's kids, my kids, your kid, like they can be our friend in the sense that we are friendly.

Right, but we're not friends.

But at the end of the day, all right, the difference between me and Ava is nowhere near the difference between me and God. So there has to be a level of otherness. He's him. Yeah, he's him, yeah. All right, very good.

Number one, done. All right, if that was the worst one we have to do, we're going to be okay today.

No, I think there's.

Lola's smiling. Progressively gets worse, yeah.

All right, video number two coming up in five, four, three, two, one.

No, you did it.

Why was Hitler wrong?

I mean, you can write a whole essay about that.

Well, tell me one sentence as to why Hitler was objectively wrong.

To me? I mean, to some, he was right.

Of course he was. So there's something above you and above Hitler that we're comparing right to. What is that something?

Morality.

Where do we get that from?

How you come up, where you're from, your parents, your culture. I mean, the place you live.

I mean, a lot of different things.

So are some moralities better or right, more right than wrong than other moralities?

I would say no, because it just comes down to you personally.

Okay, so the Taliban believes it's okay to rape eight-year-old boys called T-boys. Are they wrong?

To me, yes, they are wrong, but to themselves, they think it's right.

Are they objectively wrong?

Okay, what is an objective? What is the objective?

Well, hold on, objectively. Looking outside. According to what? Right and wrong.

That comes down to me. And to me, they're wrong, but to them, they're right.

Wow. Wow.

Wow.

You ever meet someone so stupid, they make you squint?

Yes. I saw one of those guys in the mirror last week.

That's right.

No, this guy, it's like, oh, honey.

Have you heard me yet?

You know what? I have actually had that exact conversation several, several times, I promise. I promise, several times.

Oh, the morality argument?

Yeah, it's sad. Like, when you press people in the right way, sometimes they'll recognize. The book of Proverbs says, do not answer a fool according to his folly. And then the next verse says, but answer a fool according to his folly.

Right, right.

So the book of Proverbs says, do not answer a fool according to his folly, but answer a fool according to his folly. I used to think like, but now I understand what it means. Don't answer a fool according to his folly.

In other words, he's screaming and yelling, so you scream and yell back. You're answering him according to his folly. But you answer a fool according to his folly.

His logic.

By holding up a mirror and letting him see how ridiculous he looks. Not in a mean way. That exact thing I've experienced many times. And sometimes I'll even have, it's happened several times, especially with some ladies, they'll start to tear up because they know their position is untenable.

Mm-hmm.

You know, in other words, if you press it and you say, okay, I understand what you're saying. You would say they're wrong. They would say they're right. How do we make laws? Do you get to be the one to decide?

Or them?

Right.

She started tearing up. I'm like, right. This is why you're tearing up, this is what I told her. Because you know I'm right. If there's not a standard outside of ourselves, whoever's the strongest gets to make the laws.

And that's a crappy world to live in. That's what's got us to the point we're at in almost every nation on the planet.

Right.

So that's a terrible way to live. But if there's something beyond us that gets to determine what's right and wrong, then we all have something we have to answer to. That's the reality of it.

Well, that's what they try to say. It's like, oh, morality is subjective. It's like, no, it's not. It is objective. Like you have right is right and right, or wrong is wrong. Like, so it has to be right all the time, or wrong all the time.

It can't be right sometimes, or wrong sometimes. It has to be all the time.

Yeah.

You have experienced something like that, moral relativity?

Oh, every day. You know, being in the 12-step program, the whole self-care, self-thought, self, you know, the guy was just, I'm the one who gets to decide what's right is right and wrong is wrong.

Well, to me, I don't think it's wrong, but to them, they might think it's right. And it's like, you think raping at your old boys is right?

And they would say no, but to them, it's right.

But that's okay, but it's like, but that's okay.

So, this is normally the example I use to help someone see the light, and sometimes they're not willing to. But normally, this is the one I said, okay, I understand all that. But let's say, I won't normally use something extreme as rape, but let's say, let's say it was your son who was mugged and stuff was stolen from him, and the dude's in the courtroom, and it's a judge there.

Are you gonna press charges? Because if so, you are imposing your morality on him. And she was like, I guess you're right, I am. I said, okay. Now, you started this conversation by saying I'm imposing my morality.

And what I'm trying to say to you is I'm not imposing my morality. I'm declaring to you it is a morality above all of us, even me, whether you want to admit it or not. You're the one who's trying to impose.

So, yeah. All honest people, including atheists, will admit that's an untenable position. Now, they might go with the majority argument, and the majority gets to make up their morality. The problem with that is the, the problem with using anything other than a non-human standard, if you use the majority argument, then you would have been pro-slavery in the 1800s.

If you use the law, the legal argument, I think there are some laws in this country right now that are horrible, including previously. You would have been for or against those based on whatever the current law was.

Well, and even that guy said, like with the culture, he's like, well, it depends on your culture and your parents and how you were raised and all of this stuff. And it's like, I can see what he means culturally.

Because like with our culture now, not everyone is like this, and thank God for that. But like the culture now, oh, it's okay for children under the age of 18 to mutilate their bodies and cut off their sexual organs in order for them to identify as another gender so they won't commit suicide.

Well, I mean, even if you took it to, we in America, men, we think it's just unfathomable that we would have to kill somebody to protect our families in other parts of the world. Like that's, that happens every day.

But it's based on the culture. And so people's ideals and moralities change based on that instead of it just being objective, like we talked about. Like in scripture, it talks about corporal punishment, which I'm for.

Some people might not like that. I don't care. You can comment in the comment section.

Beat your children.

Disciplining your children. And like other things like not gentle parenting and like all these things that people have traumas on. It's all subjective to what they feel. It's all about feelings. This is how I feel.

And like, I don't freaking care. I really don't.

Well, we have to filter our feelings through the word of God, no matter like what it is.

Right, well, and that's my point is that's where morality comes from. It comes from God, the creator of all things. It doesn't come from how we feel and what we think is right. Like I think based on what scripture says, if you take a life, your life gets taken.

And you forfeit the right to your life. It talks about like punishments for rape. It talks about punishments for all these things. I'm like, if we just did what the Bible said, like we could save a ton of money on these inmates on death row.