June 13, 2016 Show with Mack Tomlinson on “The Lives & Legacies of Leonard Ravenhill and Conrad Murrell”

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I'm so delighted to have back on the program. My brother and friend pastor Mac Tomlinson who is the pastor of Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas, and we are going to be discussing the lives and legacies of two Brethren in Christ who are now on the other side of heaven.

They are in glory with Christ for eternity the first being Leonard Ravenhill and the second being Conrad Murrell and perhaps our brother Mac Tomlinson can correct me on the pronunciation of Conrad's last name.

I'm not sure I have it, right but in addition to Discussing the lives and legacies of these two great men of faith we're also going to be promoting the books the biographies that Mac Tomlinson has written about each of them and we will be also Discussing the Fellowship Conference New England in Portland, Maine that's going to be held in August from the 4th through the 6th on the theme the impossible and That is something that I may even try to get to from Pennsylvania.

To attend myself. God willing. I was reading about the lineup and hearing some Sermon clips by the some of the speakers and it looks like a really powerful event, but let me without further ado. Welcome my friend pastor Mac Tomlinson back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Thanks Chris always nice to be with you and in studio with me is my co-host Reverend buzz Taylor hello again and Pastor Mac before we even go into our Topic at hand. Why don't you let our listeners know something about Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas?

Some of our listeners may not have heard you the last couple of times you were on the program.

Baptistic Church in Denton, Texas, which is 30 miles north of Dallas our website Benton org and We are a church that is Serious about loving the Lord Jesus Christ loving his word them and missions. To find us Providence Chapel in Denton, you're very welcome and.

And I just walk by the way. Go ahead. I was just going to give your website. It's Providence Denton org Providence Denton org if you could. I'm sorry. Continue.

Two things I would mention by way of correction. Conrad Merle's last name is pronounced Merle. Okay, and he is not yet in heaven. He is yet to go to heaven so.

Well, I hope I didn't shock anybody And who Was listening live and didn't know that Conrad was still with us. I So sorry about that, but Leonard Raven Leonard Ravenhill is certainly in heaven now is not yet not not living among us any longer here on earth before we go into their lives, which is the main theme of The discussion today if you could I'd like you to respond because it just happened Yesterday morning technically What has been?

Identified on the news as the largest mass murder by shooting in The nation's history and in fact, I'm gonna have to do a little investigation because I think that may be incorrect. I believe it's possible that the Mountain Meadows massacre that took place in the 19th century ironically on September 11th That may be actually a Larger mass murder.

I just don't know if well, first of all, it was a larger mass murder Numerically that is certain but I don't know if they were all executed by by gun But it was many of them were executed by gun and it was a larger group of people that the Mormon the Mormons enacted upon innocent pioneers Crossing through the Utah Territory at the time they were executed by command of Brigham Young and some honest Mormons Admit that today, but others stick with Brigham Young's story that this was a rogue act of his son-in-law who did this without the authority and permission of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but having said that Yesterday as everyone no doubt knows who is listening a Homosexual nightclub or a nightclub frequented by homosexuals was Invaded by a individual claiming to be Muslim and acting with the Blessing of Isis at least according to what he said and what they are taking credit for and over 50 lives were taken and Many others injured and There is all kinds of reaction About this going on in the media and I'd like you if you could at least to start off the program as a pastor and Since it's this is really fresh on the heels of that Horrific incident if you could just give your own comments about what it occurred.

Well random killings and attacks increasing more and more and. And My comments would be brief and to the point obviously whether it's a Homosexual group in Florida where this just happened in a in a gay nightclub or a Shooting in a in a school in New England or in a movie theater in Colorado.

It has nothing to do with this Muslim. Even earlier in the week, I think in Florida a Muslim leader had given a lecture and was saying that Homosexual that death should be there. It obviously is just a reflection of the continuing decline in an American in society we see in Romans 1 and I don't think any Christians should obviously take their their spin or their perspective from From social media because the Only the Christian in this world can view these things properly from a biblical worldview.

Obviously whether these were were homosexuals in Florida or otherwise, it's a tragedy and I think it's very. Evangelicals go publicly. It's a poor example, and it's always misinterpreted and twisted when evangelicals begin to call this the judge obviously.

Any time such things happen it can be the judgment of God but we know the Bible tells us that come to the righteous and the unrighteous to the to the righteous and to the wicked both and. So Job, of course in the Old Testament is a primary example of that and.

So.

13 when the Lord Jesus spoke enough terrorists attacking the Galileans a place of worship and They were killed and then Then Christ brings up without someone else mentioning it a tower in Salaam Providentially falling The first attack was done by me and the second were not Perpetrated by men that fail and kill people crying.

He doesn't blame anyone He he directly says Everyone who hears about such event because their life can end at any moment as well, right?

They shouldn't be necessarily be overly focused on the lives of those who were victims of any kind of catastrophe. Whether or not they were Living rightly before God, but they should be turning the focus in their own hearts to see if they have truly repented.

Exactly any any act of terrorism or tragedy. Life is fragile life is brief. I must be ready to die any time and above all that. It amazes me sometime when Believers will speak out publicly about God being involved in such tragedies that God was was involved in 9 -11 and People get angry about that.

People who don't even have any profession of Christianity. They'll get angry that you but we know that the Bible says are in his hands. They're appointed by God and he rules over all things. And men Don't want God involved in such events because they don't want God involved in their lives.

Right. So we must view this as and to go into eternal dying of cancer. Wake up call. And even though God.

In his sovereignty Uses evil men to bring about Events that he himself is ordained that does not make those evil men or their actions any less evil. And were this crazed gunmen to survive this act of Terror that he performed.

Christians rightly thinking Would want that man brought to justice and would not want him to be looked upon as some kind of a hero or something just because They disagreed with the lie the lifestyles of the victims.

Exactly right. And another final comment, I would give the secular world Does not believe that I don't believe in the demonic world. So we know that evil forces and demonic power evil men to do such believers can interpret that properly and see Satan himself at work.

He has no compass Morally or spirit gory, so they cannot interpret. Yes, so.

We would ask you to pray for the families and friends of those victims in Florida that they may come to know especially the Only one who can save them from their sins Someone who could actually bring about some sense of purpose and All that happens on this earth and that only one who can do any of those things is the Lord Jesus Christ Who is a friend of sinners, although he is a righteous and holy and perfect and sinless King.

And as I close my program every day an iron sharpens iron a Quote the great Puritan Christopher love with the words that I want my listeners to remember for the rest of their lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner and I hope that my listeners will always remember that.

And if anybody involved with the family and friends of the survival of the victims of this atrocity, I Pray for them and I hope that you join me in praying for them as well. Now we are going to move into the topic at hand the first being that of the life and legacy of Leonard Ravenhill and actually Briefly before we enter into that topic.

I'd like you to discuss The upcoming Bible conference that you are a part of in Portland, Maine. In fact, my co-host Reverend Buzz Taylor has spent a good portion of his life living in Maine years. And so if you could let our listeners know about that.

Yes was in Portland Maine and then asked some colleagues of mine and I around the country If we would be willing to start a Christian conference summer conference in Portland. Because of course obviously New England is a very dark area Solid biblical churches and there was no conference.

So four years ago. We begin. It's August 4th through the 6th. They're in Portland, Maine. It's held at a church. Lets us use their building that during community church During crossing but I can give the website and then I could comment on the conference.

Sure. It's fellowship conference newly August 4th, it is not a large column in Dublin's and The preaching is biblical. It's pastoral. It's to the heart. We're not on any or any tangents. It's strictly from the Bible about the gospel of Jesus Christ and The saving power of it will be both avenge pastoral preachers a morning prayer mature to the Oh Famous 19th century.

Yeah a New England pastor. He's buried.

Wow, praying pace and I remember praying place in a Portland. Yes, and his daughter was Elizabeth Prentice, correct.

Correct. All right, so we'll visit his grave one afternoon and have a brief lecture on his life. And there will also be Friday. That's free and young man a contact us or simply go to the website Fellowship conference New England.

Calm great. Well.

The first massive volume that we're going to address that you wrote the biography of Leonard Ravenhill, which you call in light of eternity the life of Leonard Ravenhill. This is a massive book. This is a book that Exceeds 580 pages.

And first of all, let our listeners know why you chose to write in such at such great length about this particular figure from church history who is a rather recent figure from Church history. It was not that long ago that brother Ravenhill went home to be with the Lord but if you could If you could let the listeners know why you chose to write about him.

Well, it's a reason I like from 19 to 1994 when he died. He he lived in various places in the moving here in 1958 from Britain. But his final years were in Texas for were in East Texas. Lindale, Texas Which is about 80 miles east of Dallas and I got to know him by hearing him.

I was a seminary student in Fort Worth, Texas the city to preach regularly and I had never heard heard such a preaching in my life and.

So.

My wife and I then starting in 1979 1979 We had the privilege of going to Leonard Ravenhills Friday night prayer meeting. Where people would come far and wide and he now deceased young Christian singer Keith Green.

Who's gonna lead the hymns in the prayer meeting? And it was like heavers of worship Ravenhill preach pray 1980s and he just became was one of the godliest.

So.

When his sonography had to be done and I kind of had an inside track his sons knew me. I Knew Leonard weather day before 9 -11. She died in September 10th 2001. After they had to work on the bar. I worked on it part-time.

We have his life administering me and.

It's interesting that you as a reformed Baptist have taken upon yourself this work to Help the legacy of Leonard Ravenhill live on in writing. You are a reformed Baptist, but this was not his own background was it.

Not at all, right for about a year and it was not at all a reformed place. It was an atmosphere. The Ravenhill was friend speak about things. He loved the Puritans and He hated all cheap grace and he didn't give altar called preach and so He had a strong view that the Holy Spirit traveled for he walked across him more than once and then he had 36 years in America and so he never pastored churches, you know.

We ought to have a if we have a different deal need to have a Catholic see on John Wesley. And so we need to appreciate them Even if they're not right because they are truly.

Regenerate men with a gift for preaching and a gift for writing and because they are saturated with God's Word They will very often Sound as if they are in complete harmony with the great reformed men of old and of present Because they shared the same Bible and sometimes they may not have even realized their own.

Inconsistency with some of the things they said but It's a wonderful inconsistency when somebody can preach on grace. That sounds like it is thoroughly From the gospel of the Reformation and yet it wind up being a Wesleyan or another.

Non-reformed Christian speaking the words or writing them. So you said he wasn't a pastor though. He was a.

Like a conference speaker. Like a tenor at evangelist, yeah.

Yeah in Britain. He had 20. He had 28 years in Britain and he To give a biography called the trekker Walked across Britain pulling a cart with a Tent in it and then I would walk into and plan to stay there three weeks in the market.

Evangelists like Whitfield and Wesley they would go into town until they began to see people rages. They were compassionate towns in England. But they saw at times Hundreds and sometimes Ravenhill or others would stay behind as briefly Until they could secure come among them.

So he did pass briefly. He served as an a in 1950. He began to come to America and They were sure. Yeah, Minneapolis. Yes still exists. It does and they had a and they invited Ravenhill to come they would have conferences in the summer for their staff and for Believers and began to come in church history that kept inviting him back each year.

Well the more he would come in 58 He came seven years and he had more invitations in a PA. Wow, he was only for a couple of years and David Wilkerson in the days of Nikki Cruz and the gangs of New York.

That's another providential occurrence because my co-host Reverend Taylor worked for.

That's fine. David Wilkerson invited Leonard Ravenhill to come and be the chaplain at the noon converts. It would speak and would preach three hours. So he had a he had a great ministry basically. He began to have invitations in Conferences large conferences down and Just lived.

He lived in Chicago area west of Bahamas for a couple of years and had extensive.

Widely, and yes many years ago. What wasn't that many years ago, but it was back in the early 90s I believe maybe late 80s when I was a member of what was then called Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville and Our mutual friend Mike Gaydosh was the pastor there and he had just started Calvary Press Publishing and the I believe the very first Publication was thoughts for young men by JC Ryle and Leonard Ravenhill was kind enough to write an endorsement for that.

I remember.

Well Raven Hill Ryle and they're easily find his sermons all over the internet.

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Pastor Mac you said that Leonard Ravenhill was from the Wesleyan Arminian background. Was there any specific denomination he was affiliated with and My second question was due to his affiliation with David Wilkerson.

Was he also charismatic of any kind.

Well, not really I can speak in general terms, but I think they're accurate. First of all he was When he was converted as a 15 year old boy, he was born and raised in Leeds England which is north of London a good his father was a very godly man his father had been a drunkard and Leonard saw the powerful change in his life and Then his dad began to go to among the it was really the days before the Nazarene Church formed early in England.

They did not practice The popular charismatic gifts they would have At least in church. They were again. He is early went to Cliff College, which was more or less a Methodist missionary school under Sam Chadwick who was one of the leading preacher day and He had that large influence the churches that formed under Raven Hills preaching in his colleagues ultimately became British Nazarene churches.

But he he didn't become a Nazarene he stayed at the preached in a lot of Occupation but on more than one. Okay, he thought he thought a lot of it was false and counterfeit. He wasn't about later things.

Mm-hmm. That's that's where his heart was.

Well, didn't they also believe in the baptism of Holy Spirit as a second work of grace minus the initial sign of tongues.

Well, he did believe in the what he called the baptism of the Holy Spirit. He did not use the term second work of grace Because he believed what? Let's say what even what Martin Lloyd-Jones would believe After converting the Holy Spirit, but he but he didn't believe it was a one-time event.

He believed that preachers could be empowered or Christians could be empowered at any time over and over Being filled with the Holy Spirit. That was really his position.

Okay, we do have a listener in Randleman, North Carolina Seth. Who asks what does pastor Tomlinson think? The late Raven Hill would say to the Current church state or rather about the current state of the church.

Also if time what is his favorite Raven Hill book and why.

He was always grieved at because he saw compromise and Negligence he always addressed.

Christ.

He had no very he died in 1994 and he was grieved. He never really saw a revival happen that he so long to if he saw the condition today He would be even more grieved. That would be my. As far as his book most of them on prison.

Why revival. He wrote a very unique book study of Christ temptation the wilderness and his Transfiguration. It's basically a it's a wonderful book. He also compiled a book on Prayer edited by Raven Hill.

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We'll make sure that one is shipped out to you free of charge God willing even this week. So we look forward to getting your full address. Seth we thank you for listening and writing into iron sharpens iron and We do have another listener Who asked a question that you've already touched on but perhaps you can expand on it.

Tyler in Mastic Beach, Long Island, New York Asks, what do you think of our brother Raven Hill's legacy as being a man of prayer?

There's an amazing leg. I mentioned his father after once a month. They were praying like any good prayer meeting you and I might be in today and it was an atmosphere He dedicated himself. He said Lord, even if you don't ever make me a preacher make me a man of prayer.

He would discipline him every day and that would vary, you know. He probably had three seasons of prayer every day a morning. He would have an afternoon for many preachers by name every day I'm talking about.

And so Martha sons were all scap in New Guinea and and Other places and so they always. Of course, there was no internet. So they would listen to the nightly news to see if there was any international news at all.

Sleep about an hour. He would get up midnight to three or four in the morning. He probably prayed Usually hours a day prayer meetings and in his home at his office. He didn't pray with he prayed passionately.

But Raven Hill could pray. Walking or that's what marked his life. And really that's what gave power and just a curiosity in those years that you.

Knew Leonard closely. Were you at the time? Yet a Thorough believer in the doctrines of Sovereign Grace also known as Calvinism and did it cause any conflict with your friendship with Leonard. I.

Was before I ever heard it. Oh, yeah, pretty well-known Southern Baptist Church seminary. Yes. He's been a guest many times on my show. Dr. Nettles was my church history professor in the mid -1970s At Southwestern Baptist.

So so I was already Calvinistic in my views. Before I ever heard the name of Leonard Raven Hill I got my passion and my devotional and I got my theology from Calvinist. Yeah, it was a beautiful thing so there was never any conflict.

I would give Leonard good books by Calvinistic authors and he loved them. And into his life of his life. He was mainly reading the Puritans and he was giving away. He'd give that away to many young preachers.

So he loved the trance Lee and we never had and.

The I was just gonna say something that flew out of my head. Well, I want to make sure that You have in the few minutes we have left for the first hour that you really unburden your heart about Leonard Raven Hill and Leave our listeners with what you most want them to remember and What you most want to use to whet their appetites for them to get your biography About Leonard Raven Hill in light of eternity.

The biggest thing I would say though on the internet if three website and he'll sermons can be I'll give these Raven Hill org just his last name are a V in HLL Raven Hill org and then sermon audio net and Sermon index net and other places.

So hearing Raven Hill and reading him convicting and People don't need to let them let Raven Hills ministry was kind of a one-note sounding repentant and man's responsibility and so and Somewhat in bondage because they go overboard and they over which is marvelous the biography.

Can be found that Raven Hill biography calm this one word Raven Hill biography calm and It is as you said almost 600 pages. It's a definitive Biography several will actually three appendices in the back of Raven Hills.

Full definitive look at his life in his ministry also with many been the life and ministry of Leonard Raven Hill. One book he wrote that I failed to mention Erica you're too young to die. One of his latter books and it was a call is too young to die and that would be a great read.

Let me also give a plug to a few other publishing ministries That you can use to pick up. Our guest book free grace press would be one. That's free grace press calm. Also our mutual friend Mike Gadosz of solid ground Christian books who is a sponsor of this program?

You can go to solid ground books calm. Solid ground books calm. And finally another sponsor of this broadcast Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CV bbs .com. CV bbs .com is their website. And by the way, I don't know if you gave accidentally a wrong website or URL for sermon audio, but the sermon audio that I Have a sermon audio calm not net.

So I'm not sure.

If that was thank you for that correction that might be right, but people can find out. Yeah.

Well, I know that sermon audio comm is definitely a correct website for them. Thank you. And We're gonna be going to our break. Now and at the top of the hour, we're going to be switching gears and discussing Conrad Merrill's life and legacy.

The other biography that you have written. Grace and truth. About this dear brother who is still with us. Not in heaven yet, but I'm sure longing to be there. A senior saint that has had a life filled with good works and great evidence of his dedication to his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

And we hope that you stay tuned for the second half of this program to learn more about This unsung hero, I believe of Christianity Conrad Merrill. I have to admit that I first discovered his existence through our guest Mac Tomlinson.

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