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My name, I'm your host Andrew Rappaport. We are hoping to be joined by My friend Matt slick from calm org. We'll see if he makes it in. I won't give it a little bit of an update some people were asking.

Why did I say maybe he's coming back? He's been out for a while and Basically, some may know that Matt. You know, oh he's telling me how he see he wants to get in so click the link. Now, all right. So we'll see if he can get in its Should be pretty good if he may have some problems, but we'll see Eli maybe you can give him a call since I know you're listening.

You can maybe just give him a call Finn to see if you can help him in case he Has some trouble getting in. Oh You're on your phone though, right? You're doing this on your phone price. So that's probably not gonna work.

All right, well, we'll see so while we wait to see if Matt can figure out the technology. The it is a little different and so depending on his browser. We'll see. Donald Jack's was saying that he will just play with show what he said.

Matt did a debate last night. He did it. Actually, he did the debate a while ago. Just so you know It just aired last night. So so Matt has been for some of you guys know he was Been off the show for a while because he'd been getting his house ready for sale and He was planning at this point to be in Arizona he Folks who know his wife is not doing well health wise and because of that he has been up.

Here we go. Let's add him in now. There we go. There's Matt. Let's see if this is if his audio is working. Yep, I hear you. I don't know if he hears me. I hear you now. Okay. Welcome back Matt. How are you.

Okay. Yeah, I knew that was coming. So something's never changed. So I'll continue giving the update on Matt. This is he's not going. All right, I Like this guy's it looks like some people are happy you're back.

Look at this Ethan Tanner. I don't see any text or anything. But if you look on the screen I put his.

Other it is. Yeah, I see it. Yeah, so.

So, uh, yeah. So for folks who don't know Matt has been his wife has not been doing well folks those who are regular listeners know this and we've been praying for for Nick and for Matt. So the plan was to be right now instead of enjoying the cold weather of Idaho.

He should be in warm weather Of Arizona, but I guess the Lord had other plans so. The house didn't sell so it's now off the market until spring when it is a time when they they sell better and Mr. Facebook user says the slick one.

I love that guy. That must mean you don't know me very well. Yeah, so let's see if I could find out who that that I have to go in. Ah, that's. Let's see if I go on Facebook that's from the Apologetics live group.

Andrew. True true Kala. I'm probably mispronouncing his name. Oh, yeah Andrew. Yeah, he's a good guy mostly. Yeah so, um, so basically the house is off the market until spring and People were saying why did you say Matt's back?

Maybe? So maybe you want to explain what happened the other night.

Matt's Wife's Medical Emergency and the House Sale Delay

Yeah, that's three nights ago, I mean about that three nights ago, yeah, yeah, yeah um, a lot of you guys may or may not know my wife has some serious medical issues and She's actually out driving right now on her own.

She went and did something and she can do that kind of a thing and she often will pay for it. You know the next day and things like that. She's best to recover, but she tries to do as much as she can without just being an invalid, you know.

So she's about 20 of or it's about 80 Disabled or 70 disabled kind of a thing I guess. Anyway, three nights ago about one o 'clock in the morning. She had trouble breathing and so, you know, I'm standing there with her, you know, and she's trying to go to sleep and breathing is getting worse and worse and.

And within five minutes, she goes I can't breathe. I can't breathe and she started acting funny as in afraid funny. And so I you know, I go let's go to the ER and she yeah. Yeah, and so we got her downstairs got her in the car and I was doing 65 down to 35 and at one o 'clock in the morning and We got her to ER finally and there was a just they converged on her.

And I mean got texts and everything. They were on her really fast. I just stayed in the corner let him do what they did and she wasn't not breathing. She's having a lot of difficulty breathing and it was getting worse and they just hooked her up.

And within five minutes, which is she was substantially better. They have all that stuff. They do they know what you're doing, you know, and That was one o 'clock in the morning and got home at six o 'clock in the morning.

So and there was a memory you had said to me you told me that there was a Like wouldn't time when no one would really be on the road and there was a train right in the quickest. The quickest way to the airport or to the to the hospital and there was a train blocking the road and you do.

Go all the way around. Yeah, it's just a straight shot. We go to our our housing area and which is straight shot to the hospital literally turn left. You're in the hospital parking area and straight shot and the train was just sitting there so I just peeled a you and Booked it around a long way around and that's when I was hitting 65 close to 70.

Waiting for a cop to pull me over and I would have just said going to the ER emergency. He would have you know, let us but anyway.

That was it. My dad had. When my brother was born my dad had gotten to he basically was. He got the call. He was teaching at Rutgers University and he had. You know Rick was flying trying to get so he can get to the.

You know to get to the hospital with my mother and he got pulled over and Officer explained, you know, he explained to you also what was going on what he was doing and the officers. Okay. Well, hey follow me.

Turns on his lights and and he's just following he's going. He gets to the to the hospital. They they pull right up front. He gets to the hospital and the guy handed my dad a ticket. Yeah, he took him there but he gave him the ticket.

Idaho cops are cool. You know, they're cool. They're really good guys. Not for long. You're you're being inundated by Californians.

So yeah, it's a problem. The Californians are bad. You know, there's socialist wacko leftists morons.

You know, I Know exactly how to trigger Matt. All right, this Facebook user is actually Brian Simmons. He says hello, brother Matt and brother Andrew, so. So We didn't actually have a planned thing. We have a couple folks who are in here one who you may recognize.

He's he's. You know, let's bring in Eli here. Oh. As he drinks his cup, you know.

Whatever. He's kind of annoying and just kind of a loser. You know as is it most everybody from the East Coast, so. Wow.

Don't you feel at home? New Yorkers are seen as the cool ones man. It's the people out west or the weirdos.

Well, you go out west of California. It's true. Oh, man.

All the cool movies take place in New York.

You don't see a movie starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and somewhere in Idaho or something like that. No, I know was not a happen in place. No, it is not.

That's why they're allowed to to carry in Idaho.

Reminds me I saw the new Arnold Schwarzenegger movie a couple nights ago really enjoyed it a couple three nights ago. You know what, I don't know what's going on but I Thought was great. I Thought was great.

It was very entertaining. What movie is this man? A dark fate.

And Yeah, another terminate like how many terminators I mean like this was the World like how many times over. It's amazing how like I was amazed with how many Rockies and Rambos they could do. But terminators are.

Another one where it's just oh, man. No, it was really entertaining. The special effects were Incredible. I mean, wow and Beginning.

This particular movie was supposed to be a direct sequel to Terminator 2 and it was on the assumption that all the other Terminators didn't exist and so I didn't like what they did in the beginning, but I agree with you it had a lot of Special effects and the action was yeah.

Yeah, the beginning was like what they could have not done that and still had the same movie. It would have been good. They could have had a little bit older or something like that. So that he's more capable.

But. You know, but but I it made sense because it's a different timeline because the future keeps getting, you know mixed up and Things so they do different things. So then I go. Okay, I can buy that but.

And he's like, well, I love Jesus, I don't watch. Okay, let's have let's have some fun. So I'm so mad one time.

Distortion is there. Huge. All right. All right, but hey, I'm glad you're on you. I'm gonna run some fire. Yeah, bad echoing bad or whatever. Okay, how's that. I don't know. How do I sound? Little bit distorted.

Don't echo. You know. And I'm pretty good on my end trying to justify why three persons are in the Trinity and Matt yesterday and I are talking about it and we went to spend a couple hours last night and I can't and the book I Don't I don't.

I don't think the book is clear enough and I'm having to constantly read of our defined terms but We went through some stuff and then what the guy was talking about an interesting idea of Unitarianism.

And I've got my notes, but I haven't polished them yet. They could talk about it. Why Unitarianism doesn't work? Can you hear me, okay, I.

Hear you fine. Okay, you say you're fine now. I'm fine. Okay, I tried changing some settings. So. So what I was trying to say is. And Eli you'll you'll be able to appreciate this. So is that Matt's house.

And as you know, I'm not, you know, really pop culture literate and I don't I'm not up on all the movies Matt is trying to. Yeah, I at least saw the first Terminator. I don't I don't think I saw any of the others.

I just knew they they were.

They're good. Okay, so.

Let's go. Let's try and see if we could recreate the scene. Matt is explaining to me the importance of the movie Aliens, which I still haven't seen. I I've seen 57 times.

Why is alien so good Matt? Because it is the standard by which all other movies should be judged for one thing there's no romance in there, which because it was a waste of time romance just a waste of time and There's definitely aliens and so aliens are automatically good and there's gunfire.

There's screaming. There's running and the plot is very simple plot. Anybody can understand it. A bunch of people go meet the aliens. They scream and run to another area fight aliens. They scream and run away to another area fight aliens.

They scream and run what other area and their numbers are dwindling as they're doing this. That's a great plot. That's great.

So Matt's message played to me. He's like no, but there's a scene where this this person's on the table I think I think a woman or Matt came remember and and he's on the table and everyone's looking and all of a sudden an Alien comes out of his stomach.

It just bursts out.

That's movie alien alien actually affected other movies and comedians and other things because it was so back in the 70s when it came out. When I first saw it, it was a talk of the town because no one had ever seen anything like that and.

It was it really had an effect. I mean you can remember I'm almost 63 here. And so back in the day when it came out everyone's like did you see this? I mean no one had conceived of an alien that had acid for blood that would live in you and.

But burst out and was super aggressive and all you could basically do was run and scream you know, and it was pretty terrifying and.

That was really great. He's alien movies. He really does. I love aliens. I love alien stuff.

Still hear an echo. It's hard to hear you guys. I don't know if you guys can hear me fine.

Maybe it's maybe just me. Yeah, I don't know if it's. We do know you. I mean you have issues with your internet there sometimes. So, I don't know if that's. You guys sound fine to me now. Yeah, put it put headphones on maybe they'll take care of it.

We got a question here Matt that came in on YouTube. By Jay Harry, he says does each part of the Trinity have a different Purposes. Do they do different things? Do they have different powers? You leave that up because.

There's a problem with the question and I'm not knocking the guy. It's just that the question is a difficult question to answer because terms need to be defined and there's certain implications of certain words.

And so let me kind of unpack it. There's each part of the Trinity. Well that violates the doctrine of the Trinity to say part. Because we don't want to say that he's part. There's a doctrine called Divine simplicity and what that teaches is that God is one substance not parts.

There is no coalescing or commingling of parts. So it the word part is in is is incorrect. It should be does each Person or each member of the other Godhead. That's how it should be worded. But you know, I'm just being technical.

Have different purposes now a purpose. What you're hinting at is what's called the economic Trinity. But a purpose it means that you either devise it yourself or it's assigned it to you. So a purpose is assigned would be difficult because it would mean one or two of the other members of the Trinity assigned a purpose for another of a third which would designate a kind of a part and partitioning within the Trinity and that's problematic.

So we don't want to we don't want to say that. What we want to say is that God exists as a single essence a single being a single nature and We call there's a doctrine called Pericoses a perichoresis, excuse me, and I wrote an article about this today perichoresis is the the.

That's the teaching that in the one nature of God. There is the Trinitarian communion and and with the members of the Trinity there's an interrelationship. Yet there's a distinction. But they share the same nature because they are the same nature and they have their existence in communion with each of the other so a way of saying it is it has to do with the fellowship and the relationship in the fellowship of The three members in which there is there's love there's harmony mutually exhaustive knowledge, etc.

And it also refutes the idea of oneness. Pentecostal theology it well It Establishes, let me just say it this way it establishes oneness in the sense not in the oneness theological system. But the oneness as in the single nature of God.

There's one essence one nature one substance and Perico perico is crap perichoresis Is an ancient doctrine dealing with the nature in its essence, so anyway. Do they do different things? Yes in the sense that in what we call the economic Trinity the father sent the son.

But the son did not send the father and the Holy Spirit is sent by the Father and the Son. So there's a difference we want to say in function. In order but without saying that there's parts gonna make sure we understand that they're different powers.

No, you don't have different powers because that would be a dividing of the persons into parts and Power is part and parcel of the very nature of God and so they cannot have different powers. Otherwise we'd have parts of God.

So no they all share the same nature same omniscience same omnipotent same omnipotent on the sapiens wisdom etc. And So there you go. Hope that helps perichoresis is the issue and it kind of relates to the communicati with your mottom excuse.

That's in the Christological perichoresis. But there's another word which I forgot anyway, never mind, yeah that helps so so and.

And he's saying he said fair enough Thanks for answering and but by the way, if you if anyone wants to come in and ask questions Just go to apologetics live comm. That's where we come to answer any of the questions if you want to ask more questions.

There was another question. I saw up here Matt. Well, if James Manning just said I think Matt and Andrew would like the movie my name is nobody I I Don't know. Yeah, I've known nothing about that. Matt pride doesn't either a Movie Matt doesn't know.

Here we go. Here was a question by Baptized by Jesus question could Jesus exist in human form without Mary's 23 chromosomes?

Well, yes and no you could have another set of chromosomes for another woman. So but no in the sense that in order to be human there must be human nature an essence in there so We could say logically that there needs to be some chromosome Issue because without that then Jesus would not have been human.

So there has to be a necessity of real biological genetics. Otherwise, he's not human because we are human by that's by definition so. The answer is one one sense yes letter sense. No, that makes sense.

Yeah, that's kind of like saying Can Jesus be made of chocolate and still be a man? Well, if he's made of chocolate, he lacks a human nature. So it was though that you need those physical elements to be at least Human being in the physical sense.

Since we run, you know fullness of a human being is more than physicality. But you need that physicality to be to be human.

Okay, we have another question that was came in on YouTube and folks again. If you want to ask questions, the best way is to join us. Just come to apologize live .com. Also, you guys could share this on social media would be great so people can come in and get their questions answered.

This. I think Melissa Owens might be new here. I guess this on earlier. She said she was new the group but it's she. Her question is what would. Would the Trinity be an example of complementarianism. First of all, you define complementarianism and then go for answering.

Complementarianism is the position that.

In male-female relationships within Ecclesiastical structures male and female complement each other and so it's in contrast to Egalitarianism, thank you.

Been a while since I've had to use that word. I Was gonna be gracious and say he's been too busy, but no you had to throw the age thing in there. You know Eli your day is coming, sir. Your day. I really appreciate that Matt and I'll be on the ground when you're our age, but.

Can't believe I'm gonna be 63 in about four weeks. Jeez, anyway. Oh, I'm old man. I'm old but. At any rate so egalitarianism and complementarianism are different views of ministerial orders and relationship of male-female and so complementarianism says that male and female complement each other and egalitarianism says they're equal and that so therefore In all areas and so therefore women can be pastors and elders.

So complementarianism does not port over to the category of trinitarianism.

So he asked I guess is a follow-up would that make Mary this charted is baptized by Jesus says would that make Mary special.

Yes, we Mary would definitely be special if she's bearing the second person of the Trinity in her body and gives birth To the basically to the Creator that would make her on the yeah, we could say that's she's pretty special.

But but there's nothing I there's nothing specific about Mary that would I mean. It's what how God used her that would makes her special. It's not because we don't like this is some of the things we hear from Roman Catholics, right that they would try to say.

There's something unique about Mary the immaculate conception. Which by the way folks the Americans conception has absolutely nothing to do with the way Jesus was conceived. It had to do with the way Mary was conceived.

Even many Catholics misunderstand that the belief that Mary was born sinless that God. It's kind of an interesting thing that because when you have they they they realize they're in a problem they have they're trying to say well.

You know, how could Jesus this God himself be born of a woman? And because a sinless being how could he be born of a sinful being? So easy. Yeah, it will easy but what do they do? They say well that can't be therefore Mary had to be sinless.

But then you have the same problem with Mary. How could she be a sinless being? Born of a so they go one of this immaculate conception. Well, why wouldn't that conception be with Jesus then? Why does that be with Mary?

Just like it's a it's a faulty argument because It's not the vessel. It has to be pure for God. It's God himself who is pure and The womb, you know is separate. It's almost like they are arguing the same kind of thing the pro-abortionists do when they say it's my body.

So the woman would be her body and she has to be pure because that has to be pure In order for Jesus to be housed in her. It's just a it's a fallacious argument. But there's no nothing biblically or logically that requires that Mary be sinless in order to bear Christ.

Right, we would say that Mary is special because she's chosen. There's nothing metaphysically intrinsic within her that separated her from someone else that God could have used.

Right in and in that sense in a in a somewhat similar sense we could say every believer is special because God chose them.

If every believer is special then no one special. Well, not all our believers you said every believer.

Yeah, I think I think we're we're we're special we're special in contrast to non-believers. Not that we are intrinsically Better but we we stand in a better relation with God and I think When we say that Mary is special it's more in relation to her roles.

We're all special. God uses all of us, but the nature of those uses are different. You know, there are many there are many Body parts to the body and Mary was used for a very special role and others are used for other special roles.

Mary's job was not the same job as the Apostle Paul who? Proclaimed the gospel to the Gentiles and that was a specific his specific calling.

And just so you know, my wife says I'm special.

Yeah. That was in our day and age when we were out of size lowercase that was Jerry's kids for those who remember the marathon telethons, so Andrew Andrew and on Facebook says spot-on Eli. Um Jason picked up what I was saying here.

Jason Manning is saying what about when we talk about Mary is what? What about Mary's mother and her mother and her mother and her mother? That's the problem that they have when they right into that argument of well sinless.

She had to be sinless to give birth to a sinless being. I Remember once I was actually in a Catholic Church some Catholic evangelists. They had some teenagers I came to my house knocking on the door and we're trying to convert people to Catholicism and they invited me to the church.

So I went over and I had like 40 kids. They were just peppering me with questions. They they asked the question, you know, don't you understand? Mary has to be special to give birth to a sinless being.

She had to be sinless and I just went what about her mother and one kid goes. That's a good question. I always wondered that so that so one kid's like go ask the priest. There were three priests just watching me.

So they go over they ask. Kid comes back. I said what the priest say he goes they said they don't know and and just as he's saying that I'm looking At the priest and they left. I'm like, okay now these like they were watching me and now they're like we're getting out of here.

Okay, I got 40 kids. I could just share the gospel to. Wow good for you. It was a special time. Just like Matt special I'm special. So let's see. So Jason has said I keep hearing the Christianity doesn't have a problem of one of One of the many one of them and the many when listening to Christian debate atheists.

What is the problem with one of the many?

So the one of the many issue deals with the nature of the. The one for example would be the transcendental essence definition whatever you want to call of number and an instance of number would be two or four or six or eight.

And so the one is that thing which unifies or categorizes or makes plain or aware the particulars. So one thing and the many are Interrelated and that can only really exist in a Trinitarian context in the Christian God concept Context because only then can the one and the many be realized and actualized.

If you think of the one as a transcendental necessity for example of tables. The idea of a table there's the one essence one transcendental nature of what a table is and many particulars of that and so.

In an atheist worldview, for example, you can't justify universal principles or transcendentals in order to account for ground the idea of particulars. So that's the major major kind of a thing that's going on there.

That makes sense.

Yeah, I think the one in the many couples with the problem of what is the fundamental essence of reality this is a problem that the pre Socratic philosophers had to deal with and Philosophers afterwards some people try to posit that the fundamental element of reality is one sort of thing.

So they helped a monist be known as monism. All is water all is fire all is air. The problem is that if reality is fundamentally one and how do you make sense out of particulars in our experience? And so if you are a monist and The fundamental aspect of reality is one then you have to posit that the particular different things we experience in human experience Are illusory.

That's that's the issue with say something like Hinduism that holds to a pantheistic perspective in which all is one and the differences and distinctions that we see our illusion. And so you have other views that are more atomistic if you take a look at something like a metaphysical naturalism if if the fundamental aspect of reality is physical then you have these individual disconnected pieces of Fundamental reality in which there is no universal Non material Unifier to bring into relation all of the individual particular things.

For example if I have One barn in a farm, right? You see gonna feel you have a barn and you have another barn and another barn. You need a universal concept of barn to talk about in a coherent fashion the reality of individual barns.

So you need to have this this Transcendent unifier that can make sense out of specific things. Now the problem with atheism is that atheism as an atomistic view because all its Materials matter in motion.

They can't they can't account for universe soul. And in which case that throws logic out the window and without logic you have a self-imputing worldview. Now if you have a purely monistic perspective you get rid of particular and you have to posit something that differences in reality are Illusory.

And so the cool thing about Christianity is that the fundamental essence of reality on the Christian conception is the ontological Trinity since God is both one and many Bliss of God is equally ultimate to the manyness of God because of his very nature.

He's a cheese triune reality reflects the ontological essence of God. Because just as God is both one and many Reality that he creates is both one and many. And because reality is that way we can bring together Unifiers like logic and make a coheat make coherent sense of particulars like the specific objects We experience in in reality if that makes sense.

I know it's very hard to talk about without getting too abstract and philosophical. Yeah.

Another way to look at it is Is is the universe one thing and it has parts or manifestation of the one thing? If that's the case how you justify that as being true and there's philosophical logical problems and only Christianity provides that answer.

We can have the one thing who is God and particulars of the manifestation of the doctrine of the Trinity things like that. But anyway, he's the necessary precondition for all those things that we experience in particular fashion in particulars.

So. Yeah, the only religion that makes sense because it's it. Yeah, you know, I. You know, this is back to the other thing. KT Says this what gives us value is not intrinsic in us. It is because we are The the father's love gift the son.

That's a quote from John MacArthur. So Matt earlier someone said this baptized by Jesus said Matt that's heresy. Bring your wife here and let us talk. And so here's someone. Someone asked the question.

What part Ethan said what part is heresy? And so he said baptized by Jesus. Matt said his wife says he's special. So, I guess he's that your wife actually says.

She does. I am trying to get her on the radio to she actually broached the idea in passing but. Yeah, right because she's suffering so much and I want her to get on the radio to talk about her suffering and her faith.

In God in relationship to her suffering that actually would be good. Yes, it would be yeah. No, she's suffering pride and it's a.

Yeah, yeah, she's suffering someone else's yeah, not very often. She's not in pain. It's not very often. She's not in pain is when she's in a certain position in a recliner but anyway, that's there we go, so.

Anybody got other comments or whatever? Well, we got this isn't. I'm gonna go look at this. I think is Andrew again. He said You explain that very well Eli. You to Matt eat. Ethan has a another quote from John MacArthur.

Matt we're gonna have to explain.

You know, that's not gonna get this quote. Yes. I will. Beth Moore. She should go home. He's correct.

Now the thing okay, so John MacArthur said, you know for folks who don't know the context of a maze I was actually there. Okay. Wow. So when everyone's sitting there and trying to say MacArthur was making some comment about Her going home and being in the kitchen and this is just you know.

He's just anti women and all the nonsense that I'm hearing. First off. Let's put it in context. This is at a conference where earlier that day Justin Peters did an excellent job going through and playing Beth Moore herself false prophecies false teaching.

Saying you're preaching at a pulpits on a Sunday at church and then saying she believes in complementarianism so you had all this and the question that was asked was Todd Friel was saying I want one-word answers or short answers to To whatever I asked so it was basically just really quick thinking.

What do you what are you gonna say about this person this thing? Whatever it is. And so he gave to MacArthur and said Beth Moore and he just thought go home. But in the context he then explains what he means and it's it's about her teaching.

It's and that's what they want to avoid they want to avoid the fact that Beth Moore is a false teacher and a false prophet she made prophecies that aren't true and Therefore she shouldn't be teaching period.

But because she has loyal followers. They support her and so they all tried to make it to mean to try to say that MacArthur was saying that she should be Home in the kitchen and nonsense like that making sandwiches or whatever and we're all being home in the kitchen making sandwiches.

Yeah, well Jason Manning puts it Jason Manning's you'll love this one Matt. Jason Manning says I'm waiting for Some carm that says reformed women make better sandwiches. That's a good way. I like that.

You know, Matt, I'll probably have that shirt soon. Oh That's great. Um. So, let's see, so Jay here. He has another question and folks the best way to ask questions is actually come in and ask them. But he says here and he's got a big question.

So it covers Eli's face altogether. Suddenly the show looks better. He said I was a tuple believing sorry. So he was a Calvinist for years for many years. What I thought was genuine relationship with Jesus.

I am now agnostic and don't believe that Jesus was he said he was am I still saved? Well, first off J Harry, please come on in here for a discussion on that. But go ahead Matt an answer.

First John 2 19. They went out from us because they never were of us that they had been of us that would have remained. So if you don't know if God exists and you're denying the true and living God and I can't call you Christian and if you're not a Christian now, you never were a Christian.

You're a false convert.

Jesus says unless you believe that I am you'll die in your sins. If you don't believe who Jesus if he was who he said he was then by definition just by that just his own description. He's defined himself out of the Christian faith anyway.

And and so I and I'm gonna say this and I don't want you to take this the wrong way. It's gonna sound kind of harsh, but it's When we have people that say that I once was a Christian and Matt already quoted what God says on the subject from first John.