Worldview Wars with Eric Hovid

I can't see it. Okay, we're getting a lot of thumbs up. Some of you are just like, Eric, I don't know how to use the thumbs up, man.

This new technology is killing me. Sorry about that. Here's what we say. If you're confused, you're gonna lose.

And it's worse than that, the people around you are gonna lose. But it doesn't have to be that way.

You really can have answers. And you should because someone's eternity is at stake.

And guys, eternity is just too long to be wrong. And I, like Stacey and Joe, have a passion because I see all these kids, 57 million kids this last year went through school, our public education system, 57 million of them hearing again and being indoctrinated again with a theory, the idea, the religion is what

I call it, of evolutionism. This idea that there is no God, there are no absolutes, you can do whatever you want, you can behave however you want.

It doesn't matter. Kids, when mom and dad tell you don't do something, all you gotta do is say, I believe in evolution.

There is no right and wrong. By the way, it may not work, depending on your household, okay? You may have to bend over and grab your toes.

I had to grab my knees, thankfully not my toes. But that's another story. I'm concerned about the kids in school today.

Very, very concerned that they're being brought up with a worldview that is not true.

It's not based on science. It's not based on fact. It's illogical and it's a huge, huge problem.

So we've been growing up in the middle of a conflict, an incredible conflict in the world.

For example, the whole creation versus evolution conflict. Which one is right, creation or evolution?

Is the universe young or is the universe old? We got this conflict going on. How many of you, thumbs up or wave your hand, if you've ever wondered or battled over that question at some point in your life, you've gone,

I have wondered about that. How do we know the truth about the age of the, how old is it, is it young or old? Thumbs up if you've ever wondered about that.

I got two thumbs up. Everybody else, four thumbs up. Five, okay, some of you are wondering about that.

Yeah, so how old is it? What about the whole God versus no God debate? This worldview war over God or no

God. How many of you have ever had that question and you wrestled with that in your life?

Give me a thumbs up or wave the hand with the reactions. How many of you ever wondered about that? Like, okay, God, are you really there or not?

Hey, can I tell you what? Put your thumbs or stop clapping your hands for those of you that hand clap.

How many of you have never in your life ever questioned God? Give me a thumbs up or clap hands.

You say, you know what, Eric? It's never been a question of my life. I just, I've always known. It's like, I got it. God, of course you exist.

All right, I see one, one. Okay, three, okay, four.

How many of you don't like using the reaction button? If you could just click the little reaction button and let me know that you don't like using that, that would be,

I'm just kidding. You don't have to do that if you don't, I'm just joking. Sorry. So we're in the middle of this worldview war, who's right?

And a lot of times it's presented as if, well, they got a lot of evidence and they got a lot of evidence.

And so how do I know who's right? I mean, let's face it. You can find an expert on every single subject in the world.

You can find an expert that will back your opinion that cookies and milk every night is good for you, okay?

You can find experts to pretty much say whatever you want them to say. And a lot of times we feel like the referee in the middle of this tug of war and we're trying to figure out, it's like we're the judge trying to figure out, okay, who's right and who's wrong?

What's really going on there? And we hear questions like, hey, if God created the universe, well then hey, who created

God? And we think these are good questions and there's a lot of Christians that think, oh man, that's a good, that's a tough one.

It's actually not when you think about it, but if they think that's a tough one, by the way, oh, can I just run an idea by you guys is just brainstorm idea.

I thought of a conference I wanna do and I need a reaction. So you either give me a thumbs up or a hand clap if you like it.

If you don't like, Jeff, you're going, I like it. Yes, a conference. I haven't told you the idea yet.

You don't know, Stacy, put your thumb down. You don't even know what the conference is yet. You have no clue what I'm about to say and you already are clapping your hands.

Here's my idea. What if we did a conference, a webinar called

Bad Answers or like Bad Christian Answers? Like we hear

Christians give answers to arguments and it's like, just so you know, that's a really bad answer.

Like for example, here would be a bad answer, just the example, and then you can tell me if you think this would be a good conference. Like, hey,

Christians don't have to have evidence because we have faith. That's a terrible answer if you are defining faith the way that you're describing it.

Okay, so would a Bad Answers conference, would that be a good idea? Thumbs up or hand clap if it's a good idea.

Okay, I got two of you, three of you, four of you, six of you, I'm gonna call that the majority. Okay, seven of you, oh man, all right, all right.

Okay, I'm gonna do it, guys. You guys just cheered me on. I'm gonna do a conference called Bad Answers.

Might shorten it to the, well, nevermind. But we got all these questions, hey, is there life in outer space?

What's the answer to that? What about all the eight men? Are there really eight men? Was there really an ice age?

Did God really create everything in just six days? Hey, doesn't carbon dating disprove the

Bible? What about all the races? Where did all the races come from? So we got all these questions and we're trying to go, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

I've been raised believing God's word is true and I'm not sure, and I got all these questions and there's all this science.

Guys, you really can have answers. And that's what creation today is all about.

We want you to know the answers are out there and we just wanna deliver them to you in the best way we possibly can. This, introduce real quick, my lovely wife,

Tanya. We have been married for 20 years. Next month, well, a month and a half away, it'll be 21 years.

God has blessed us with three amazing children, Stephanie, Angie, and Jordan. My daughter, Stephanie, oh my goodness, just graduated.

I just put this, by the way, if you didn't see the video on my Facebook page, she was the president of her senior class and she kind of won a lot of, she won, can

I brag just a second? This is like me just praising God, okay? She won the highest award that Pensacola Christian Academy gives out called the

Founders Award. Anyway, I put her video, her graduation speech up on my Facebook page.

You will absolutely love it, okay? Just really, really cool. Look, the reason I do this, and I don't have time, but my other kids are really cool too, all right?

We ride motorcycles. Actually, they all ride motorcycles together with me. We have a good time. We do this because we wanna change people's worldview and we want to bring them to Christ.

Look, there really is a God. There really is a creation and there really is a creator.

The creator really is going to judge this world one day and you and I need to be ready for that judgment that's gonna be happening to us and to our friends in the future.

So not only do you need to understand and work out your salvation with fear and trembling, you need to share the gospel with others.

And that's one of the reasons I'm so glad you guys are friends with Stacey because Stacey and Joe are just bold and loving in the way that they experience their faith and their relationship with Jesus Christ.

And they just enjoy sharing his truth and his love with a world that desperately needs it.

She talked about the beginning series. It is a fun one. Now it's available online. You can go online and take the beginning series course at our website creationtoday .org.

Professor Richard Rorty was a philosophy professor. He passed away, but he was a professor in Virginia, University of Virginia.

And he said this, and I think this really encapsulates or carries the message of why this is so important because he was an atheist and he got it.

He understood this. He said, secular professors in the universities ought to arrange things so that students who enter as bigoted, homophobic, religious fundamentalists will leave college with views more like our own.

He said, students are fortunate to find themselves under the benevolence or the love of people like me and to have escaped the grip of their frightening, vicious, dangerous parents.

He went on, he said, we're gonna go right on trying to discredit you, talking to the parents, in the eyes of your children, trying to strip your fundamentalist religious community of dignity, trying to make your views seem silly rather than discussable.

And that's exactly what they're doing. Our kids are going off to university and getting absolutely slaughtered by professors with mindsets like this that would say the

Bible is a crutch for the weak. Religion is the opiate, it's a drug for people that can't handle life.

There are professors that will take the word of God, take it to the front of their classroom on day number one of class, throw it on the ground and kick it across the room and say, if that bothers you, you might not wanna be part of my class because it's not gonna get any better.

And there is a war going on of worldviews, who's right and who's wrong, and they can't both be right.

In life, there are four basic questions that man's gonna try to answer. Matter of fact, write these down. You're gonna wanna take notes on this because this is what life is all about.

You're gonna be trying to figure out what life is all about and it's about these four questions and the answers to these four questions, okay?

How you answer these four questions, I'm gonna give them to you, okay? How you answer them determines how you live the rest of your life.

Write these down, here they are. This is free, you get them for free. One time only, right here, I'm telling you, your whole life is gonna involve answering these four basic fundamental questions.

Here they are. Who am I? Where did I come from? Where am

I going? Why am I here? And where am I going when I die? Your entire life is gonna be wrapped up in answering and living out your answer to these four basic questions.

Who am I? Where did I come from? Why am I here? And where am I going when I die?

And the way you answer those questions depends on what we call your worldview. That's why this is called

Worldview Wars. We're in the middle of a Worldview War because how you view the world will determine how you answer these questions.

If you believe in the evolution worldview, if you believe, hey, it's amazing, a Big Bang made the world from absolutely nothing.

Zero, nada, this is all we got. And so you come up with this evolutionary humanist worldview for how man got here and how all of life evolved.

If you believe that, how would you answer the four basic questions of life? Like, who am

I? Well, if evolution is true, you're just a little bit of protoplasm that washed up on the beach.

That's all you are. You're as Krauss, Lawrence Krauss said, you're just a little bit of stardust.

That's all you are. You are the result of a star that exploded and now its molecules have made up you.

You're just stardust. That's what they claim. You're nothing more than a few elements, a couple of dollars worth of elements is what you're made out of.

What about where did I come from? If evolution is true, you came from the cosmic belch 20 billion years ago.

13 .8 billion is what they're saying now, but it's ranged everywhere from 13 to 20 billion years. But they say there was a big bang, this big burp that the cosmos just happened, okay?

And for no rhyme or reason either, why am I here? If you believe in the evolution worldview, why do you exist?

Let's face it, if the evolution worldview is true, you're just an accident and there's no purpose to life.

And that means there's really no truth either. And if there's no truth, then there's no hope. I wanna tell you something, you can know truth.

And if you know truth, you can know hope. But if you have no truth, you will never have hope if you don't have the truth.

Where am I going when I die? According to the evolution worldview, you're not going anywhere. You're going down into the ground, you're gonna get recycled into a worm or a plant or something like that, but you're really not going anywhere when you die.

That's the end. But suppose instead of an evolution worldview, suppose we had a creation worldview.

Suppose we believed in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth and this world is incredibly designed and God's an amazing designer.

If we believe this, wouldn't we look at this world a whole lot differently? Wouldn't we answer those basic questions a whole lot differently?

As a creationist, I look at, I view, I interpret everything

I see so differently than the people that don't have a creation worldview.

It's just a whole lot different. Here's the two views on a timeline, just so you know what we're talking about.

The creationist worldview says about 6 ,000 years ago, God created the heavens and the earth. Now we don't put an exact date or anything like that on this thing.

We don't say that Adam was made October 23rd, 4004 BC at two o 'clock in the afternoon.

Some people have done that, but we don't do that. We just say that Adam was made in the afternoon because it was just before Eve.

And that's the only clue we've got in scripture about that one, okay? Adam was made in the afternoon. 4 ,400 years ago, there was a flood that destroyed the world.

2 ,000 years ago is when Jesus Christ was here. And now here we are today waiting for the return of Christ.

Now, if you compare that to what an evolutionist believe, it's really different. The evolution worldview says somewhere between 13 and 20 billion years ago, there was that big bang.

4 .6 billion years ago, the earth cooled down and it formed a hard, rocky crust. Then it rained on the rocks for billions of years.

Eventually, 3 million years ago is when, or excuse me, 3 billion years ago is when life evolved on the planet.

And then 3 million years ago is when mankind evolved on the planet. So that's the basic evolution worldview versus the creation worldview.

By the way, modern history, recorded history only goes back about 5 ,000 to 6 ,000 years.

Even with the Egyptians, they've discovered, and there's a great movie on this called Patterns of Evidence, The Exodus, where it shows that Egyptian chronology actually doesn't even go back past the 6 ,000 years.

And when Jesus was asked, I get told this all the time, hey, Eric, instead of focusing on creation, why are you focusing on this?

Instead, you need to focus on what Jesus, on Jesus and on salvation and what Jesus focused on.

And I say, you know what? You're right. We should focus on Jesus. And if we focus on Jesus, guess what, guys?

We'll end up focusing on Genesis. If you focus on Jesus, you will focus on Genesis.

Genesis, when he was being, or excuse me, Jesus, that when he was being questioned by the Pharisees, they're trying to trap him and trick him, and they ask him about marriage.

And where does he go to give the very foundation of marriage? He says, have you not written that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female?

It's this reason that a man is gonna leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife and the two shall be one flesh.

The very concept of marriage itself is given to us in Genesis.

You don't get marriage in an evolution worldview. No wonder they're making, they're passing laws that they're passing today saying marriage can be whatever you want it to be.

Marriage can be anything. Anyway, I just zoomed in. I zoomed in on a meeting with Eric Hobine.

He's talking about marriage right now. I sure am. But anyway, you get some sleep.

I understand from creation. Thanks. Okay, so marriage is the,

Genesis is the very foundation of marriage itself. You don't get that without Genesis.

You don't get that without in the beginning God creating the heavens and the earth. All you get is a man's idea.

So the laws that they're passing today, no wonder. We've got an entire education system that is indoctrinating kids away from the word of God.

It's teaching them a worldview that has no foundation for marriage. So they're growing up and they're going,

I wanna redefine marriage and there's no reason to stop them. Why not? Why can't they say a girl and a girl, a guy and a guy?

Why can't they say two girls and two guys? Why can't they say a dog and a guy? Why can't they?

It does, I'm just telling you, when you get rid of the foundation, you get rid of the ability to say, this is why, this is what is true, this is the truth.

Because we've slowly been moving away from the idea that God's word is true. And when we go with man's word is true, it can be whatever we want it to be.

The Bible says that because of death, sin came into the world.

That's why there's death in the world today. We can make sense of this. The Bible tells us why there's death in the world.

And it's because of S -I -N, it's because of sin. Can evolution make sense of death?

Matter of fact, if evolution is true, how come we haven't evolved the ability not to die? I mean, evolution has created all these amazing things.

It's created your body with over a trillion cells and each cell in your body is more complex than the entire space shuttle.

So, I mean, why hasn't it evolved the ability not to die? We did a movie called, a film called the

Genesis movie. And in it, Dr. David Minton, he says, if you had a car that every time it got scratched, it fixed itself, and then it got a wreck, it just healed itself, how long would that car last?

He said, it would last forever. And scientists looking at our body, they say it gets scratched and they see it heal itself.

And they're looking at it, what looks like something that was designed to last forever, but something went wrong.

And the Bible answers that. The Bible says that something was sin. And now we have death in the world because of sin.

One more, the Bible says that when they sin, they saw their nakedness and they were ashamed.

And so God made them coats of skin and he clothed them. I noticed those of you that turned your videos on, you were wearing clothes, thank you for that.

Let me ask you something, why? Why wear clothes? I mean, does this make any sense in an evolutionary worldview?

If you're nothing more than an animal, does this really make sense? People say, oh yeah, because it gets cold.

I'm in Florida. It ain't cold over here, guys. It's feeling good. No, you don't wear clothes just because it gets cold.

It's because you're ashamed. It's something we discovered back in Genesis. Genesis is the foundational book to every single issue we face today.

Every issue we face today. It comes about from this conflict of worldview wars discovered in Genesis.

Richard Bozarth, I'm gonna share my screen on this because I really want you guys to see this.

I want you to make sure you get this. This is another atheist. And I want you to realize what he says right here.

Oh, nevermind, you disabled screening. Okay, all right. Well, you'll just have to look closely here. Here we go, okay. Richard Bozarth, an atheist.

He said, Christianity has fought, still fights, and will continue to fight science to the desperate end over evolution.

Does science support evolution or does it deny evolution? Because, here's why, evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason

Jesus's earthly life was supposedly made necessary. He goes on, he says, oh, let me go back here.

He said, destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin and in the rubble you will find the sorry remains of the

Son of God. If Jesus was not, listen to this, listen to this, and this is from an atheist, this is from an atheist.

This is what he says. If Jesus was not the Redeemer who died for our sins and this is what evolution means, then

Christianity is nothing. And you know what? He's exactly right.

Richard is exactly right. As an atheist, he is exactly right. This issue is a worldview war and we are in a fight to the desperate end over this whole evolution worldview.

The Bible is correct. Genesis is actually true.

There is evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I love talking about the resurrection of Christ.

My friend Tim Chafee and I did an entire small group series on the resurrection of Christ. We talk about why

Jesus needed to die and where it was really founded. To set things straight, let me just help you understand something, why

I focus on Genesis. Adam's sin brought death into the world. The last

Adam, Jesus, died to bring life into the world. Jesus conquered death by rising from the dead.

So if there wasn't a literal Adam, as spoken of in Genesis, who brought literal death, then what would the crucifixion and resurrection have to do with our sin?

Now, I get it, I get it, I get it. You can be a Christian and there are Christians who do not accept what

Genesis 1, 2, 3, really all the way up to 11 teach as real history.

Now, Jesus taught it as real history. Jesus referred to it as real history, but they disagree with Jesus and they say it wasn't real history.

Okay, I get it. The age of the earth is not essential to salvation.

It's not. It is not essential to salvation. However, it is essential to the very doctrine of salvation.

I'm gonna say that again for the guys because guys have to hear things twice. Guys have to hear things twice. That was for you, Jeff. The age of the earth is not essential for salvation.

It is essential to the doctrine of salvation. Why did

Christ die? Guys, we are in a battle of worldviews right now.

We are in a worldview war. It's taking place in the heart and in the mind of every single person on the planet.

Who has the right worldview? And the consequences of what you believe are eternal.

This is a very serious battle that we're in, a battle for people's souls.

We're in a worldview war. So the question is, what are you gonna do while you live?

What am I gonna do while I'm alive? What is it that I'm gonna focus on while God has me here?

If we believe in humanism, if we believe in the evolutionary worldview, the humanistic worldview, humanism teaches something.

It says the end of all being is the happiness of man. In other words, the reason you exist is just to be happy.

So go do whatever it takes to be happy. And if that is your philosophy, if you swallow that idea, which is being taught in all the schools today, it's made its way into many churches of today.

The end of all being is the happiness of man, humanism. If it's really just about your happiness, then you'll do whatever you can do to bring about what you think is going to be happiness.

And if that involves an extra woman, an extra man, if that involves things you look at that you shouldn't look at, if that involves putting something in your body that you shouldn't put in your body, it doesn't matter.

Because at the end of the day, you're just trying to be happy. It's the end of all being is the happiness of man.

But if we believe this world isn't incredibly designed, there is a creator that created everything, then we can understand what

Christianity teaches. Christianity says you were created for one reason. The end of all being, the reason you exist, is to glorify

God. It's to live for Him. It's for you to choose.

I'm going to love the one who made me, the one who gave his life for me, and say, God, I choose to live for you.

Your worldview makes all the difference in how you live your life.

Now, there are many people that adopt a creation worldview, say, I believe in God, but they're living a humanist life.

They're living for their own pleasure. They're living for their own desires rather than for God's desires.

They don't have the fruit of the spirit. They have the fruit of the flesh. They don't have love, joy, peace.

They have envying and strife and division. And I just want to share with you, it's one thing to say,

I believe in this. It's another thing to live it out. Hey, where are you at in your own mind in this war of worldviews?

Where are you at when it comes to the whole worldview war? I want to, thought

I had, I don't have it in here. Oh, well. I am confident that most of the problems we see today,

I know some of you can't see this, but most of the problems we have today all stem from the root of evolution, whether it's abortion, humanism, racism, the euthanasia, communism, the drug culture, pornography, all these things stem from an evolution worldview, saying that you're just an animal.

There's no reason for existence. You can do whatever you want to. Hey guys, I'm telling you, the evolution worldview is not true.

We need to destroy it because the fruits of the evolution worldview are not healthy.

They don't help yourself. They don't help society. They don't help the church. They don't help anything in our world.

The fruit of the true Christianity, the creation worldview, that's where we get the idea of love and meaning and purpose.

I'm telling you, we need to be spending our time and energy where it really matters.

We're in a war of worldviews, and there are people, there are friends that you know, there are family members that you know that need the truth.

Man, I hope that you will be about the father's business, sharing his truth, the truth about the history of the world and the truth about the savior of the world with the people around you.

Guys, we're in a battle of worldviews. They can't both be right. They can't all be right.

Only one can be right. There's only one right answer to two plus two, and it's four.

And it's not prideful to say that. It's not arrogant to say that. It's true to say that.

Every other answer is by default wrong. Hey guys, there's only one answer to where the world came from.

And the truth is it came from Jesus Christ himself. The word made flesh.

The word that was there at the beginning, that created, that spoke the heavens and the earth into existence.

And every other answer is wrong. People can believe it, but that doesn't make it right.

Two plus two equals four. God created the heavens and the earth, and he made you for a reason, to glorify him.

Let's be about our father's business and do what it takes in our lives to bring him glory.

I wanna take a minute and find out if you guys have any questions. I know I just kind of went off there on you guys talking about this whole worldview war that we're in.

I wanna find out what you guys are thinking and if you have any questions. So feel free to unmute your mic, unmute your video, and let's just have a conversation here.

What are you guys thinking? Or don't do that.

Okay, good. Hi, how do you, I'm struggling really with,

I'm gonna cry too, cause I raised my kids in church and I've been married to my husband for 37 years and he's never like really surrendered, but my kids, they were all raised in church.

I became a believer at like when my oldest was four and she's 37 now or 39,

I think, I don't know. I lose track of time, but just the rebellion and it's like they all, and then

I have seven grandkids. And so now in this time off as well,

I'm seeing - Joyce, can you please let everyone show their face now? Oh, sorry.

The rebellion I'm seeing and what would you say to like to break through?

I know it's prayer and all that. And I've been doing that, but I feel sometimes will it ever change, with the adult children?

And then I see it trickling down to my grandchildren of not wanting like, the

Lord is so good and all that he gives us and all this teaching and wonderful in his word.

And I just, I get so excited and I wake up with worship and I wake up with all this, but I'm seeing now that my grandkids, they don't want it.

Like I have to pull like their teeth even kind of want it and it breaks my heart.

So I don't know, I guess it's, I'm saying rebellion. Is there something else that you might know that it's -

And is your name Heidi? I see Heidi on the screen. It is, yes. Well, first of all, wow, my heart goes out to you.

I have not yet in my life had to experience that except through friends and their children.

So I've been separated at a distance just a little bit. I've had very good friends of my own that have gone down that road and rebelled.

So I've had it there, but never as a parent to a child. And so man, first of all, my heart just, my heart hurts with your hurt.

And that is probably one of the biggest pains a parent can feel right there is the pain of a child saying,

I'll do it my way. So first of all,

I wanna pray here in just a second. I wanna start there with that, but I'll tell you what

I have prayed in the past. And I'll let you take this and do what you want with it.

But I won't pray this when I pray. My prayer is God, bring them to the end of themselves quickly.

Do whatever it takes for them to hit the brick wall quickly so they can have time to pick up the pieces or give the pieces to you and say,

God, take what's left of me. Because what Satan wants to do is he just wants to drag it out.

He wants it to go as far as it can, make them think they are okay. They are good to go. They got it made. And it's so interesting in the culture of the

West, we think of pain and suffering as a reason to run from God. You go to the East and the thinking over there is pain and suffering drives you to God.

I think C .S. Lewis said it very clear. God screams at us in our pain.

And so it's hard for me to, and I've done it a few times though to pray,

God, bring them to the end very quickly. I got somebody in my mind right now who I've prayed that for.

And the goal being not to be mean, but the most loving thing

I can do is say, please wake up. Please understand what life is all about.

I'll tell you this, and Stacey can verify this. We have watched simple materials about creation evolution, because start with the science and show how the science shows that God's word is true.

Well, what does that mean? That means you're gonna be held accountable. What? I'm gonna be held accountable. And so we've watched the information about science, bring people to scripture and bring them from the scripture to the savior.

And so I would certainly be trying to invest. How old are your grandchildren? The oldest is 17 and then 16 and 12, 11, 10, and then six and gonna be in four.

So, but they do love the Lord. They pray for their parents. It's just powerful.

God is good. And I'm praying that that generation, it just, it breaks my heart.

I didn't know if there was something. I just bought the whole set of homeschool from creation.

I'm so excited. And I got the pack. So I'm, you know, hoping that.

Heidi, thank you so much, hon. We're gonna see if anyone. No, that's okay. I understand.

We're gonna see if anyone else has a question, but how about we raise hands or wave and then we could see that.

Would we be able to see that? Or if anyone, I don't know. I pretty much have tried to get everybody to put on our video except for me, but in those that didn't have video, but if you can keep yourself muted unless you're asking the question because the background noise interferes with the people talking.

Yeah. So let me, yeah. So you could ask your question, but if you want to have a question, can you put it in the comment section or just say,

I have a question and then I'll call your name. Cause I would love for you guys to ask questions. And while we're waiting for you guys to put your question in the comment section,

I was gonna ask, someone wanted me to ask Eric about, we're gonna have

Steve Austin next week. And we wanted you to share some wonderful evidence that we have regarding the

Grand Canyon to get people hyped up to come back next week. I love the

Grand Canyon. Absolutely love it. Stacey and I have gone to the Grand Canyon together with others. And it is an amazing, an amazing trip.

Dr. Steve Austin is an expert on that. I'm gonna be going to Mount St.

Helens with him in August. We have a trip to Mount St. Helens, a limited number of tickets available, but we're going to Mount St.

Helens in August. You can go to the Creation Events website, creationevents .org

to find that. But super excited. Steve Austin is just brilliant. Not only is a brilliant guy, he's a guy that just loves

God and loves taking this information and using it to change lives. So what you're gonna see with the

Grand Canyon and what he's gonna teach you, he's gonna show you how the Grand Canyon is undeniable evidence of a catastrophic event.

It is not slow gradual processes that created the Grand Canyon. It is not the Colorado River over millions of years that formed the

Grand Canyon. It happened really fast and the science is very clear about that. And what that science does is it confirms

God's word is true. God's word talks about the flood that destroyed the world. And you're gonna love hearing from Dr.

Steve Austin as he addresses that because he's a genius on that. He's really cool. By the way,

I have a trip coming up to the Grand Canyon in July. And I, because of this COVID -19 thing, we just moved it over to July and had a couple of people that couldn't make it to the

July trip. So I just had seven seats open up on our trip. We were full and we got seven seats open now.

So it's awesome. It's a lot of fun. Okay.

Does anyone else have any questions? Kaylee? Elsie?

Let's see. Shaking their head. Uh -oh. There she, oh my goodness. Hey, you can ask us in the comments or in the chat.

Hey, that's a, that is a, Stacey? It's Robin. Hello?

Oh, Stacey? Yes. I couldn't get my mute off. Ask Eric. Hey, Eric. Hey.

Hi, Elsie. It's Robin, AKA Holly Lamb. JD is asking what worldview is.

We understand that because we've been studying it for a long time, but just a brief explanation of what worldview means.

Yeah. It's basically a collection of your beliefs about where the world came from and how the world works.

So we call that your view of the world or your worldview. How do you see the world? Not just like with your eyes, but how do you think about it?

How do you think it got here? What do you think it's for? Why is it here? Why does it exist? So your answer to that, to those kind of basic questions about like, how did it get here?

Where did it come from? Why is it here? Creates your worldview or your view of the world, your view of existence.

Does that help explain it? And it does. So what are the two major worldviews?

The basic worldviews come down to either someone created it or it created itself.

So really creation versus evolution. Now, inside of a creation worldview, when you go from this approach, there's like, okay, now which creator is it?

Inside of the evolution worldview, you go, okay, is it panspermia? Are there lots of universes out there?

Did something from another universe come and seed life on earth? Is it the multiverse?

Are there lots of universes out there and we just happen to be one of the universes? So you got a couple of different ideas in those different realms and you get to examine, okay, which one makes sense according to logic, according to science and according to experience.

When we think about like, for example, under the, let's say that somebody made the world we'll call it the religious worldviews.

Under the religious worldviews, when you think about which one makes sense, you ask yourself, okay, does the

Hindu worldview make sense? The Hindu worldview says that what goes around comes around, you know, karma.

Well, a couple of months ago, we had a hurricane come through and hit Panama City actually a year and a half ago now.

And man, it almost wiped it off the map. I mean, people's houses were totally gone. Does the Hindu worldview make sense when

I go talk to the people that just lost everything? Can I say, hey, what goes around comes around.

You guys just deserve this. All you people in Panama City, you just deserved it. I mean, does the Hindu worldview work for George Floyd who was just killed by a police officer choking him out on his neck?

Well, he had it coming. He must've done something in a past life. And so he, no, this isn't what we think of when we think of a workable worldview.

What about the Buddhist worldview? The Buddhist worldview says it's all an illusion. It didn't really happen. The riots that are happening in LA right now because of his death, those aren't really happening.

That's just an illusion. That earthquake that happened that just killed a bunch of people, that didn't really, it's not. The terrorists that just went over to the

Navy base in Corpus Christi, Texas. Yeah, it's all an illusion. It didn't really happen. That doesn't fit.

It's not experientially relevant. It doesn't work. What about the atheist worldview? The atheist worldview just says, well, that's just the way it goes.

Nature does what nature does. Our DNA neither knows nor cares. There's no rhyme or reason.

There's no reason for anything. Everything just happens. Is that what you tell? Is that what you tell a parent that just lost their son or their daughter?

That, hey, that's just the way it goes. Suck it up. No, the truth is in all of these scenarios, what we experience, what we feel is this shouldn't be this way.

And that's exactly what Christianity says. Christianity says, you're right, it shouldn't be this way. It used to be perfect.

Sin came into the world and caused death and disease and suffering.

And the good news is God is not gonna leave it this way. God's gonna make this world back to the way that it was.

Now, that's one that is logically sound. It's scientifically verifiable and it's experientially relevant.

You can experience this and you know, and people can tell you, they know, wow. Yeah, I've experienced that love of Jesus and I know things aren't right right now, but I trust that he will make things right.

Super, thank you so much, Eric. I think Aubrey has a question. Aubrey, you gonna put unmute?

There she goes. Okay, let's see your face though, girl. She's 14 now. Wow. I was just wondering when the

Grand Canyon stuff, the Grand Canyon is gonna like start? It is, it is awesome.

Creation Today. You did, yeah, you were, hang on, I got pictures of you that I could pull up is what

I was thinking. But let me see here, creationtoday .org forward slash

Grand Canyon, so Creation Today. I have what he's looking for.

We had the most amazing trip. We went with Eric Hoven and Russ Miller.

It was fun, it wasn't hard. Like some people think we're gonna walk down to the bottom of the hill or something.

It was just so great and we went on a raft that was super fun and some were brave to go in the water.

So is this it? I am definitely getting in the water again. I did that this last time and it was well, well worth it.

So July 9th through the 12th are the new dates and it's got all the information right there, a little video about it and it is just a spectacular trip.

We eat great food, it's just, it's amazing. And then the registration form is right there.

So it really is, creationtoday .org slash Grand Canyon. If you guys wanna go with me, it is a blast, an absolute blast.

Super fun, okay. Did Savannah, my niece is in here too and I don't know if she has a question.

Savannah, do you have a question? You have to click unmute if you do, okay.

Maybe she can't find her. All right, and then, oh. Do you have a question?

There you go. There's no, there's no question. No, I don't. You're sure? That's fine.

Look at her. Okay. I can't hear her. I can't hear her. Do you have a question?

No, I don't. Okay, push mute then. And then Diane, you had a question?

It was the same question as Aubrey. Okay, I thought you were talking about the one that Eric's going with Steve Austin.

That one. Oh, I didn't know about that one. That would be cool too. That would be really cool. No, I, yeah, because we went,

I went with Stacey and all of them. June was there and we had so much fun, Eric. So, yeah.

I remember, I remember you going. That was fun. It's funny because your picture is about this big that I'm looking at and I'm like,

I think Diane was on that, but it's way too far away for me to recognize here. That's awesome. Did you guys have to sleep in tents?

No, we had beautiful hotels and delicious food. Yeah. Because I don't sleep in a tent.

Nope. Me neither. Did you sleep on the water? I was rolling.

Did you sleep by the water? No, we don't sleep by the water.

We do a little, we get out of the rafts and do a little walk up. We see the petroglyphs of where some people from years and years ago, the

Indians, Indian times had drawn on the rocks. We see animals, but no, you're not sleeping outside.

It's really nice hotels and you're very comfortable and I do like, oh, she's got the pictures up.

Oh no, it messed up. You have to fix that, June. I do enjoy tent camping. That's what my family and I, we would rather be tent camping than go to Disney World.

That's kind of how crazy we are, okay? We love the great outdoors. So I would enjoy that, but I know most people don't.

So no, we stay in nice hotels. I got a quick question.

How many days is this trip and about how much does it cost for two people?

It is, let's see here. It is June, excuse me, July 9th through the 12th.

So it's like a three or four day trip. Let's see. Yeah, 9th through the 12th.

So we'll get in, I think the 9th is a Friday. It's either a Thursday night or Friday. We get in, we have dinner together.

The next morning we head out to the canyon. We spend the day at the canyon. By that nighttime, we are headed up to where we're gonna raft the next day, which is we start off right at the base of the

Glen Canyon Dam for our rafting. And there I see,

June is trying to show pictures. I can barely make it out. Yes, I love it.

So you're there, man, we have a blast. So the cost is right here.

When you have an adult, kids are a lot cheaper. Let's see here. So adults for the whole trip, it's your hotel, your

Grand Canyon, like just to get into the Grand Canyon Park is like 100 bucks per person. So we do the hotels, the

Grand Canyon Park, the raft trip, that's another $100 per person. Maybe the other one is only 35.

All your meals, everything, $840 per person. Kids are only 695, so about $700 for kids to be able to go on that trip.

When you compare this, I'm gonna turn into a salesman here if I'm not careful. We keep this as cheap as we possibly can so that we can do it as a ministry.

I wanna say, do you remember, Stacey, was there a lady driving our bus?

Look at that, in the water, that's awesome. Because there was a lady that drove my bus one year. I've done it for, this will be my 10th year and I lose track, but her name was

Mary. And Mary, at the very end, we got off the bus and she said, I've been driving these canyon trips for 15 years,

I've never realized that all of this was water formation, but it makes perfect sense.

And of course, she heard the gospel, she heard the truth, it was just really, really cool.

I gotta get closer on June there. She's putting pictures, I just want, we actually went, was it three years ago on Memorial Weekend, and we had a lady that went with us,

I mean, was on our trip. Was she about, in her, almost 90? She was 88 years old.

Okay, it's not a hard trip. Old people can, the elderly can do it and they will enjoy it.

I actually come back from trips tired and need a vacation from my vacation. I was hyped on finding that.

Did you say elderly? Yeah, Stacey, I said elderly? Yeah, Stacey, she was from Texas.

Yeah. Was she? Yeah, we're from Hill Country. Did you go on that trip with us?

I did. Yeah, oh my gosh! Yeah, Pam was with us too. Rubber band wars.

Oh my gosh. Yes, oh wow. I brought all my friends with me. We have to do it again.

I don't have any here with me, but I did a new thing. So it was the trip before you guys that I got, the year before that,

I got the idea to, hey, when you guys went, did I have a guy shooting video with me named

Matthew? No, we had Steve Greenberg with us. That's right, okay, okay.

So it was the - You went the year when Steve, like the year before I went, what's his name?

From Living Waters came with you, Eric Rowan. The same year you went, I'm pretty sure,

I brought a guy and we stayed afterwards and filmed the documentary Grand Canyon movie right after that trip.

Then I spent quite a bit of time, it took about a year to try to put it together. And now what I do,

I did this this last year, we printed 1 ,000 postcards. On one side, it just says scarred earth, and on the other side, it's a postcard that you can fill out and everybody, we had 50 people on the trip and everybody was excited.

I showed them the documentary, Scarred Earth, the documentary we did on the

Grand Canyon. And then I said, hey, we want people to see this and so we've got these postcards, you can give these out around the

Grand Canyon. We went through 1 ,000 postcards like that with people just, while we're enjoying the canyon,

I mean, there's more than six and a half million people a year visit this place. We passed out 1 ,000 postcards showing the truth where we knew they would get to experience the movie because of that.

And they'd send that to a friend and hopefully they get to experience it. So right now, if you go to grandcanyonmovie .com,

you'll see the film that I filmed right, literally the couple days after Stacey, after our trip.

Oh, wonderful, I can't wait to see it. Yeah, grandcanyonmovie .com.

Okay. And if you guys, I don't even know how to sign up for our newsletter, I should figure that out.

But if you guys are interested in signing up, we send out emails about once a week, just talking about the different things we got going on, the different trips, the different articles and stuff like that.

So I'm pretty sure on creation today, there is a pop -up that'll come up that lets you sign up for the email.

Yeah, right here at the bottom, afterlife, what must I do to be saved? If you hit that, you can subscribe and get a free chapter of a book that I wrote, one of the

AIG books. Well, maybe, yeah.

Okay, I got to talk to Matthew about that. I can't even click it, I don't know what's wrong with it. But we'd love,

I can, I'll send Stacey a link, she can send it out to you. Yeah, I will. Okay, guys, any other questions?

I don't see your July trip this year.

Yeah, if you go to creationtoday .org .ca, slash Grand Canyon, creationtoday .org,

slash Grand Canyon, I'll type it in here into the chat. Going with Russ? Yeah, being with Russ and another guy,

Helmut Welke, who runs the Quad Cities Creation Science Association in Illinois, really cool guy.

So the three of us do it together now. There is a, I don't know who it is,

Grassy, I'm saying that I don't wanna mess up their name. They already looked at your website, it looks great.

And they're wondering if you have any classes that you offer. Yeah, actually, creationtoday .org,

forward slash class, or classes, is, I offer live classes that I do online.

We've got a number that we just got finished with that are up online right now for on demand. I really enjoy this kind of teaching and interacting with students.

We just redid the beginnings series online like this with a bunch of people. And I gotta tell you, it was just really good to not just be in presentation mode, but to sit and have conversations with these people.

And so my first class, my favorite one, oh my goodness. I did a course called

Creation Apologetics 101. That is, it's 15 hours, and it is like, it's everything that I wanted to share with people.

It's like, I got it all out there. I teach it as a college class. And this year,

I couldn't go to the college in Wyoming to teach it. They said, could you teach it online? We had 180 people sign up to take this college course.

And really, really, I've had a lot of people take it since then. But let me pull it up here.

So e -courses right there on my homepage. Start e -courses, start e -courses. I got a bunch of different e -courses that are available.

Yeah. I've got a question for you. Yes. I'd like to find out if you are planning on producing the beginning series in Spanish.

I don't have that one planned on going into Spanish, but what we do have is the Genesis movie that we made.

Genesis movie, we just got translated into Spanish, and it is going into Latin America, and we're gonna be in 150 theaters in Latin America six weeks after they open up theaters.

So it was supposed to be happening literally three, last week is when we would have been in theaters without COVID, but we're gonna be in theaters in Latin America through Canzion in, so I don't have a date.

If you could get me a date for that, I have a lot of contacts in Peru. That would be very cool. Would be very excited about that.

And I was just thinking, do you already get our emails,

Jeff? I'm not sure. I'll have to check. Okay. I was gonna say, make sure you do, and it's frustrating for me that I'm still sitting here going, okay, wait, how do

I sign up for my emails? So, sorry about that. Send me an email. It's just erichhovindatcreationtoday .org.

Matter of fact, anybody on here, if you wanna email me or say, hey, sign me up and put me on your email list, erichhovindatcreationtoday .org.

Send me an email, and I'll be happy to throw you on there. I'll put my email here in the chat.

Thank you. You're welcome, Jeff. Good to see you, man. Hey, do you have all your stamps scanned for me yet? Most of them.

I don't have them. Oh, I gotta show you something. I just got some books.

The lighting here is pretty bad, but I got - Oh, wow. I have a set of five books on dragon legends.

Unfortunately, they're all in French, so I'm translating them. But there's over 60 legends in all these books.

Whoa, I'm telling you, Jeff, you just make Google Slides for me and share them with me.

I love this stuff, and yet it feels to me like you still have it all, I don't have any of it. Ah! How many years have we talked about this,

Jeff? I'll send you an email. We'll talk. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

All right. Any other questions?

It sure is great to see some familiar faces. JD, great to see you, buddy. Come on, this is your chance.

No other questions? Well, we're hoping.

I'm gonna try to get a group to go to Mount St. Helens next. That is how I was -

That's what I wanna do. I wanna go to Mount St. Helens. Let me see the dates on that.

So under creationevents .org, there it is right there. So when is this, oh,

October? No, August 18th through August 22nd. August 18th through 22nd is when it is, and I'll take, let me take this and put it in the chat.

Here's the link right here. Copy. Oh, JD, I see he's got,

JD, it looks like your mouth is moving, but nothing's coming out. I'm sure - I have a question. I'm sure there are people in this world that we are thankful that would happen, but not you, okay?

He said, explain, he said, explain searchcreation .org. I love, love, love searchcreation .org.

If you've ever had a question about creation, evolution, science of the

Bible, and you wanna find out what are the different, you know, good teaching apologetic ministries, what do they say about this?

All you have to do is use our search engine, searchcreation .org. I love this search engine.

Let me pull it up here and show it to you. It's amazing. So you just go to the website, searchcreation,

S -E -A -R -C -H, creation .org, and all it is is a search engine, but it indexes the top 43 apologetic websites in the world.

So you're not gonna get the junk from websites that you can't trust. It's only trusted sources that you're gonna get this information from.

And it really, really is cool. So let's just say, copy,

I'll put this in the, here it is, it's in the chat. There you go, if you wanna see it. But let's just say you wanted to search something and you wanted to search dinosaur, carbon dating.

So I type in carbon dating, search creation indexes those top websites, and then here are my results.

I got one from Answers in Genesis, two from Answers in Genesis, one from ICR, another from ICR. ICR has a lot, they did the rate project.

So they got a lot of the top articles, creation .com, creation .com, creationtoday .org, that's our website.

Anyway, it's nothing but good articles, good answers to questions on all kinds of topics.

It really is a fantastic tool, searchcreation .org. I think

Pam had a question. Take yourself off mute, hon. Yes, there you go.

Okay, yeah, I did have a question. Are there any limitations as far as the, because of the

COVID -19 as far as travel and going on some of these trips?

Everything depends on - Are you guys open in Florida? Yeah, we've opened up Florida. Florida has done a good job and they've kind of opened a whole lot of stuff back up.

I know a lot of, you know, it really depends on the governor for who's allowing, you know, what to happen in the different states.

So in Florida, they are opening back up. As of right now, we are still good to go on our

July trip to the Grand Canyon and Mount St. Helens is still good to go for a trip out there.

So, and that's not till August. So it seems like both of those trips that we're doing are gonna be good to go.

There aren't any limitations? Not as of right now, no. Okay, we'll look them up.

Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome, Ms. Pam. Good to see you. You too.

Hey. It was nice seeing some new faces. We're actually, we're gonna have another class next week, same time and it's with Steve Austin.

He's a geologist and he's actually working on a paper. Just turned it in, but we will have, he is speaking on remembering the spillover erosion of the

Grand Canyon. So that's what he'll be talking about. And yeah, so if there's no other questions,

Eric, would you like to close us out in prayer? I would love to. And thank you guys.

And if you're new and you didn't know Stacey before, get to know Throughout All Ages Ministry and the work that her and Joe are doing and support what they do.

It's really, really cool. I just, I thank you guys for taking your lives and using them for the glory of God.

You're being an example to all of us. So thank you so much for doing that, Stacey. Please tell Joe I missed him and I look forward to seeing him again.

Yeah, it's been too long. It has, indeed. Heavenly Father, my heart goes out to Heidi and all the parents that have the struggle of watching children or grandchildren run after the humanist worldview.

God, we know the end of that worldview. We know the end of the selfishness is death. We know that from a pragmatic perspective, it doesn't work.

And from a biblical perspective, oh my goodness, there will be hell to pay. So God, God reach them.

God, whether it's through a sunset, or through somebody talking about science, pointing to the truth of scripture, teaching about the

Savior, God reach them. God use us, the community of believers, to strengthen one another, to ask those difficult questions.

Hey, what do you believe? Hey, what do you think? Hey, what happens when you die? And God, open the eyes of the blind.

We know that it is a miracle that you have to do that must take place. Please open the eyes of the blind,

I pray. Thank you for loving us, Lord. Oh, thank you for loving us. Thank you for this little bit of time that Stacy puts together to study your truth and your word.

I pray that as we go throughout the rest of our evening, God, would you burden and put somebody on our hearts that we can talk to and share your truth with.

God, maybe it's just a text message to somebody. Maybe it's a phone call about something that we've heard or something that we've learned.

God, would we be used by you today in somebody else's life?

Well, thank you for that. God, may we redeem the time. The days are evil. It's exciting to live for you in your precious name.

Amen. Amen. Amen. Awesome. All right, thank you so much,

Eric. Yeah, thank you guys for letting me hang out with you. I sure appreciate it. Thank you, Eric. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, Diane. Thank you, Pam. Thank you, Joyce. Robin, God bless. Heidi, we'll be thinking about you tonight for sure, okay?

Jeff and JD, hold the fort, boys. I got my friend

Dave here from Tijuana joining me also. Awesome.

Hey, Mr. Dave. He's also interested in videos in Spanish, so.

Wonderful. You should, the website, send me an email and I'll email you the website, the

Spanish movie website for the Genesis movie. It's really exciting. Okay, awesome.

Thank you. Yeah, you're very welcome, guys. Thank you so much. You're welcome, sweeties. Can't wait to hang out.

Can't wait to hang out with you guys again. What was that? Thank you. About the thing that you're going to do in Spanish, do you know you're going to go to Colombia?

You know what, they are in, it's

Canzion Films is working with, hang on just a second. It's the largest theater chain in South America, in Latin America.

So I would think so. I don't have all the cities yet off the top of my head.

I know that they are letting people sign up to find out when they release the list of cities. They'll send that out to the email.

So if you send me an email to erichhoven at creationtoday .org, I put that in the chat, just E -R -I -C -H -O -V -I -N -D at creationtoday .org,

I will be happy to send you the link to the Spanish website where you can sign up and they'll be keeping everybody informed on where that's going and what theaters it's going into.

Thank you for asking. I have family there, so I would like for them to go. That's awesome, that's awesome.

Thank you so much, God bless you guys. Good night. I'm thinking about you tonight, okay?

In the chat, if you click on the three little dots next to where it says file to the right of it, you can save the chat to your computer and then you can just copy and paste instead of trying to type all that stuff out of the chat.

Did you guys get that? Yep. Thank you, Joyce. Thank you.

Thanks, Joyce. Yes, it works, it helps. Awesome.

Well, God bless you guys, hope you have a great night. Oh, sorry. Oh, you guys, yeah, go ahead,

Robin. Hey, Joyce, how's my house? It's great. I did your dishes, because you didn't wash all your dishes before you left.

All right, bye guys. Thank you so much, Eric. God bless. Good to see you guys again.

I'm gonna have JD edit this before we post it on the Facebook page. Yeah, thank you.

I think I was texting you and I'm like, Joyce, can you show the pictures? I'm like, oh, no,

I'm not on mute. And I missed most of it, because I was trying to help

Glenn. So what I did was - You were watching WWF.

That was terrible. Poor Glenn thought that we didn't want him in here, but I've been trying all - Oh, poor -

The whole thing to, I thought he was in there once, and he kept disappearing. He's using a

Mac, and he's not using a Mac that I'm familiar with. Hey, can you show me how to save the chat again?

Whenever you go to chat, it says to everyone, and then it has a little page and says file.

And then to the right of that, there's a little thing that says more, if you put over the little three dots. Okay. If you click on that -

Save chat. So you just click on that, and it will say that it's saved, and it'll say show in folder.

And you click on - Oh, wow. So you have to find it. Okay. No, you click on that save to folder, and it'll show you where it's put it.

Okay, perfect. All right, let me, I want to put it in a safe spot. So I'll know -

And then you can go through, and you can figure out what you want, and then disregard it. Yeah. This went really well.

I mean, I think a little bumps, but other than that, I think it went real well. I was almost nervous when someone started talking.

And I'm like, I got a little nervous. Well, he came in, and I couldn't mute everybody, or else

I would have muted Eric. So - Yeah. He disappeared from my little view, and I'm like scrolling frantically to try to find him.

Yeah. And he's just talking, talking, talking, talking, and I'm like, no! So -

Yeah, it went real good. I'm excited about, it's going to be interesting, because usually

Steve Austin will not show his face, but he said he was, because he will only show his face if he's outside, and when there's a mountain or a rock behind him.

Yeah, not everybody likes to be behind the camera. Not everybody likes that. Well, he likes a rock there.

Well, he could do a picture of himself, or he could, you know - Yeah. So we'll see how he does it.

And then I don't know if we're going to, I don't know how computer savvy is, but I told him,

I said, have you ever done Zoom? He said, I invented Zoom. So I'm like, oh, okay.

We're good to go. So if we ever, if we want to get someone else, but we're going to have, what's that one girl's name?

Terri, I remember that night I told you I was going to talk to her, and I did, and she said it was okay.

But I guess I neglected to tell you that she said that it was okay. Oh, good. Yeah, you didn't tell me.

I just don't want her to be upset. No, no, she was okay with it. And as a matter of fact, she said she had a few other speakers if we were going to continue to do virtually there that she could recommend or get to talk.

Perfect. We'll get a list. I know that Jay Seeger wouldn't mind, but I mean, we could get anyone, so.

Well, Jay Seeger lives in Wisconsin. Oh, virtually there, duh. Nevermind.

He might come if we open up. So let's send Eric, should we send