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It's Matt Slick live Matt is the founder and president of the Christian apologetics research ministry found online at calm org when you have questions about Bible doctrines turn to Matt Slick live for answers taking your calls and responding to your

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Questions at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. Here's Matt Slick Everybody welcome to the show.

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It's me Matt Slick your list of Matt Slick live Today's date is November 26th 2024 a lovely

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Tuesday So I got some information to tell you I'm gonna be in a debate on Friday and listen, you know gets in the way and we've rescheduled but normally speaking.

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It's all planned I'll be discussing the issue and debating does God choose people for salvation based on something in them or not in them is it?

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conditional or non -conditional Unconditional Debating that and also will be off the air

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Thursday and Friday because of the Thanksgiving holiday and time So there's that I'll put the debate information up Let's see if I were to go to let's see how this works.

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I'm gonna go to calm org Hold on a second forward slash Calendars, that's what you do

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Calendar one one word calendar and let's see. It's got some stuff in there.

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I'll probably put it up there You know, yeah, anyway, so We had a caller coming in and if you are interested in emailing me

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You can do that very easily. All you have to do is direct an email to info at calm

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Dot org info at calm org put the subject line radio comment or radio question and We'll get to it now

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I want to say something here I talked to the the the owner of the

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Radio show network the radio station network truth broadcast it. Don't know if I could give his name.

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I guess Stu He's a great guy. We talked about 20 minutes last night on the phone and I'm not gonna give details, but I will say this that that We could both relate to persecution

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Because of the ministry that we're involved in He's doing the radio

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I do You know karma and stuff like that so I'm gonna just say that if you guys could pray for the truth network and Also if you would consider

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Supporting them if you can go into truth network and you just talk to I maybe they have a way of support

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I hope they do a lot of good guys. They're a lot of good guys there and They're all nice, they're all they're all awesome and there they we just say they give me a really good deal to be on the air

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They can get more from others, but They're having me stay

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Because of what I teach apparently I'll just leave it there, but Please pray for this for generally for my ministry

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But but for the truth network, and you know I don't like things are bad You know what they need prayer like we all do and and to lift them up because there are certain events and challenges that people who head up ministries that the average bear doesn't doesn't know and Heads of ministries will often not say everything that's going on They may have a few people they talk to but not publicly won't say a lot of stuff

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And so just lift them up in prayer and and support them support truth you don't go there the truth network calm and Check it out, and see there's a way to help them out and pray

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I'm not saying they're you know destitute nothing like that. I'm just saying hey You know it's just good to support ministries, and I just lift them up and Stu's a great guy

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And the people are there they're great guys even Keith you know Keith. He's a producer.

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He's not bad I've been working on him for a long time, and when he starts laughing at my stupid jokes I know he's okay, which he already did so he's okay

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All right, hey, I have an idea. Why don't we give the number out again, and then we can get to the caller 877 to 0 7 2 2 7 6 let's get to Jamal from Winston -Salem,

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North Carolina Jamal welcome you are on the air Hey, how you doing today sir doing all right hanging in there man hanging in there by God's grace

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Mm -hmm Somebody was asking me about the

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Geneva Bible what I was trying to witness to them and To be honest. I had no idea what the

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Geneva Bible was I recently found out My good friend Caleb idly that it was

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I think one of the versions of the Bible that was translated earlier I'm not mistaken, but I wanted to get your thoughts on on the

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Geneva Bible yeah, it was first published very early in the Reformation and So I haven't done a verse -by -verse

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Compilation to check to see what if there's better translations now Because I could do that if I could find a

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Geneva Bible online. I know what verses to go to right away. Let's see Geneva Bible online let's see we can find it

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Geneva Bible there it is GNV version information. Let's see if I could get in there and if I could

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Page passage, let's do this Romans 5 18 for the first verses. I go to the sea

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Likewise and as the by the offensive one the fault came on all men to justifications are justified the benefit abounded all yeah

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I don't really like that translation. Let's see and that's knocking and I'm just saying it's a it's a you know, it's good

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It's a good Bible. It has a lot of good notes in it too. I know that and the reformer notes So that's really good.

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That's all right with Titus 2 13 Come on get in there. Oh, hey slime

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Maybe you go over here or Titus go there. It is Titus 2 13

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Looking for that blessed. Hope and peering of that glory of that mighty God and of our

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Savior. Yeah, I don't like that translation either Let's go to John 3 16. I'm not knocking and saying oh, it's a bad translation

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It's it's similar to the King James in a lot of ways the King James was great Okay, so the gospel of the world he's only begotten son whoever believe in him should not perish but everlasting life

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Yeah, it's fine. You know, it's a good translation me. I go to these particular verses that have specific things.

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I look for and Right. I I do that. So it might appear as I'm saying no don't use it.

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No, no. No, it's it's a good Bible Yeah, okay good with the first time of 314 now therefore

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I've sworn Unto the house of Eli that the wickedness of Eli's house shall not be purged with sacrifice nor offering forever

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That's a great verse. Oh, I love the way it puts it in there. Oh, yeah. Hey, did Jesus cancel their sin debt?

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Oh good question So yeah, it's a good it. I've heard a lot about it

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I don't have one but it's a good version and it's like the King James in a lot of ways King -james -style And it's got a couple issues.

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I wish they would update Like what rules 518 Titus 2 13 things like that.

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That's the Granville sharp rule in Titus 2 13. They always thought it's an absolute rule

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Stuff like that and then it has reformer notes in it or former Right.

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Yeah So, yeah, it's good. It's good. It's like one of those Bibles you'd have on your shelf you know along with a good

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King James and an ESV and NASB and the

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NBD Translations are no big deal There's a no big deal translation, yeah, no big deal translate something

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I would do Yeah, also

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I saw a Bonhoeffer book in going bookstore today and that was one that Respectfully I would say

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I like to put on the shelf as well because that was a huge book But I want to read it because I did not know how interesting interesting he was

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But it's so thick. I'm like man, I gotta you know, put that on the shelf and read it You know later on or maybe read it piece by piece because that's that's that's huge By the way, real quick.

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Have you seen? I'm sorry. Go ahead. I'm gonna say he was involved in working against the Nazis and stuff like that cost him a great deal

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But go ahead. Oh Yeah, when I found out about him, I couldn't believe it that this guy was so brave and Christian And then did so much in the face of such such opposition

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Have you seen the movie Bonhoeffer? Bonhoeffer, no, I haven't Good idea to watch it.

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No, I forgot about it Okay It's a new movie by Angel Studios and it looks pretty good

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I heard pretty good reviews and I just kind of wanted to see I wish thought about it But I'm gonna go try to check it out

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Okay. Yeah, I might do that. Also Charlie a friend of mine. He works with us He says the

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Geneva's a French Bible translated into English Let's be interesting because Calvin was

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French and so that would make sense. Oh Right, right would and After seeing about these are in about these different translations

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It kind of gives you a little bit of that on history and the origins timelines and all that Real quick, would you mind if I give a shout out to my

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Bible study go for it and be awesome All right, cool

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Rockin Ronnie Kleiner and his wife. They listen before so shout out to those guys and send a grove

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Bible study and for the Grove Church also to us doing the guys over there I appreciate your rapid deal more anybody forgot anybody feel it related with the truth network in the game love you guys and keep doing what you're doing and Big shout out to Matt slick and his ministries support him guys.

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He's a great guy. We need him around Thank you, sir. God bless happy Thanksgiving All right, brother.

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You too, man. Keep up the good work. God bless and hey everybody at the Bible study. I'm waving So there you go, man.

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All right. God bless. Thank you. All right You too, man. God bless. Hope every

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Thanksgiving All right. Hey, if you want to give me a call the number is eight seven seven two Zero seven two two seven six.

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Let's get to Elijah from Pennsylvania Elijah. Welcome. You're on the air Hey, man.

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Um, my question today is Out of the book back when

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Paul got knocked down off his think a horse or camel and saw

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Jesus What are your thoughts on when atheists say that Paul invented

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Christianity all because he hallucinated Jesus and that he didn't really see Jesus and that the

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Christianity only exists because Paul hallucinated Jesus Have you ever heard them say that before Yeah I just say you must be really desperate to come up with such a an idea that you're so desperate to deny who

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Christ is and what he's done on that cross where he died in the cross and rose from the dead three days later and It wouldn't explain

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Paul Paul's conversion And his ability to miracles as were attested to by the eyewitnesses later on written on So know the hallucination idea is just it's just the attempt by someone denying truth

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To use a ridiculous idea. That's all it is. So that's ready to go.

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That's what I say to him Yeah, and also also one thing that I should point out is that in x 9 7 it says that the other men who are with Paul Heard the voice of Jesus, but they didn't see

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Jesus. So so so how do how do if you explain that? That they also heard the voice but you know didn't see anybody

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Yes, they they heard there's a light and he was knocked down and it was going on Now just so you know, there's another place that's been many years.

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I've written on this where The the issue is maybe maybe Charlie will put a link in there

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Where they heard The sound and didn't understand they heard the words and there and the the issue is the

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Greek has two different kinds of words for hearing One with understanding and one with not with understanding and so I wrote an article on this so many years ago

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I can't remember but nevertheless Yeah, so it's not a big deal We this is what happens when miraculous things happen people get confused

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People will see things hear things. I wonder about think but the thing we got to pay attention to is that if something

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Occurred and all the stories aren't exactly identical, but they have the core similarities

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That's evidence that something really occurred just like and I use this I say just like abductees from UFOs There's enough evidence all over the world that something's happening.

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The question is what is it? And then we go on from there Hey, you want to hold we got a break.

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So hold on buddy. You can hang up or you can stay on Hey folks, we right back after these messages if you want to call me eight seven seven two zero seven two two

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Seven six, we'll be right back It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six.

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Here's Matt slick Right away. Welcome back to the show 20 after the hour if you want to give me a call, it's easy eight seven seven two

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Zero seven two two seven six. Let's get back on with Elijah. Hey, buddy.

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You're still there Yeah, we're still here. All right, man. All right.

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I'm gonna make a correction. I'm gonna make a correction I said two Greek words. No, it's not but the issue of hearing

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About the people who heard in X 9 7 and the men who traveled with him stood speechless hearing the voice

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But seeing no one and X 22 9 It says those who were with me behold the light to be sure but did not understand the voice and so did research on this and Got two quotes from Greek scholars and says that that when it's the

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The verb is used in the genitive case or the because the verb to hear with the genitive

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Case may mean to hear a sound with accusative case to hear with understanding genitive is social possession accusative is direct object, so that's what's going on and Anyway, and there's other quotes that talked about that.

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Okay. Oh and hey Steve Steven with a With a V. Thanks for the $10 ramp appreciated on there on on Rumble really appreciate that.

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Okay. Sorry about that Elijah We're back on here. Okay Okay, also,

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I have another question So Yeah, so Sean Griffin One of his arguments for a while he once said that He believes that the

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Holy Spirit is an angel is in X 8 26 because he said an

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X 8 26 It says an angel spoke But then it was three verses later in verse 29.

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It says the Holy Spirit spoke So, you know according to his logic Because the angel spoke first and a few verses later.

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It was the Holy Spirit So therefore he thinks that the spirit here is one in the same thing with the angel

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Yeah, that's fallacious logic See it says but an angel the Lord spoke to Philip saying get up and go south

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Etc. So he got up and went Okay, went from Jerusalem to Gaza and so on the desert road.

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So this is a long journey So he went and there was an Ethiopian eunuch So was it the same day later that day later that week who knows, you know, it's a bit.

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It's a bit of a walk so And then it says And returning is sitting in the chariot.

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He was reading the Prophet Isaiah Then the Spirit said to Philip go up and join this chariot

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So just because they are about two one, two, three, four five

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Verses from each other doesn't mean that they're the same the same person or saying whatever he's just He's drawing an unnecessary conclusion and so it's an issue of logic

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So it does not necessitate this conclusion What are your what are your thoughts on On You know because I did call in about this

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I think of a couple weeks ago, um, so like so like what are your thoughts on him saying that Jesus is in heaven right now and In the city, so he's a priest in heaven right now for us

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You know pointing to him he says that you know If you know the front of your Bible the Old Testament Then the

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Bible that you'll understand that a priest job. Well, one of their duties is to offer sacrifices

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Now if he reads Hebrews I've got the exact verses but it says that he offered himself once and for all the blood of animals and goats and cannot

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Cleanse of sin. That's that's why they had to be repeated So he is the high priest after the order of Melchizedek Hebrews 620.

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He was 725 who forever Let's make an intercession for us. So he does that but he made the offering of himself and The proof that his offering was the sacrifice was accepted was his resurrection

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So there's no need for any further sacrifices because animal sacrifices don't cleanse of sin as the

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Scriptures teach But Jesus blood does okay John Griffith does not know he's talking about he's he he's a dangerous person who teaches false doctrine

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Yeah, he said that somebody somebody Taught him this I wonder I wonder I wonder who taught him on this because because I remember he said that he used to He used to believe in its

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Trinity he went to a Baptist Church at one time and And he even said that back then when what he was believing all those things and going to that Baptist Church He even said that God gave him a word of knowledge and he was able to speak to somebody

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Something that he should have never known and but uh, but but I now

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He said that because I tell me power like them So do that for you today and he said no so Yeah, yeah,

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I just find it, you know, you know, you know interesting that he just straight, you know all the way to left field

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Yeah, they were not from us because they never were of us if they had been of us They would have remained as to first John 2 19.

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So he you know, he's just a heretic a false teacher who's a false convert and He's uh, he's in trouble

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With God, okay Yeah Yeah, right, brother All right

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Thank you Have a good one Okay, man. We'll see if God bless. All right

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All right now, let's get to Marcus from North Carolina Marcus welcome you're on the air

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Hi, Matt. How are you this evening? Well, I hope yes I hope the

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Lord continues to bless all that you do for us out there Just a quick question.

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It's a real broad question Recently been Curious more so my wife than myself, but I'm looking for your take on Just the

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Catholic Church in general It's always been our understanding and belief that it's a it's more of a heretic belief than anything

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You're correct. It's a false church. It's not Christian it teaches a false and a false

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Mary and it's it's not it should be avoided and I'd be elated if the

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Catholic Church crumbled and went away Mm -hmm. Oh boy Well while we're at it

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Let me run one idea by you that I've heard and I just can't really get a hold of Personally, but I want to know what you think about Some people close to me are of the mindset that there are many people who are in the

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Catholic Church Many people in say the Mormon Church and possibly a few others that are considered heretic that you know may

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Still be saved because they believe wholly in the saving power of the blood of Christ And they still go along with the church ceremonially

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Is that something you can? You can vouch for not There's a level of truth in that there are people who are in Mormonism and Catholicism who really are saved

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But they don't know what the truth is. They don't understand what these false religions teach and so they stay in them thinking they're legit

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Gradually, they'll come out because the Holy Spirit will work on them and get them out of those false churches. So yeah, it's possible.

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Okay There's a break Hold on hold on Hold on till after the show,

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I mean after the show after the break, we'll be right back. All right, okay It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six.

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Here's Matt Slick Everybody welcome back to the show bottom of the hour. We have two open lines

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If you want to join me, the number is eight seven seven two zero Seven two two seven six, let's get to Marcus again from North Carolina.

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Welcome still on the air, buddy Thanks, Matt, I think the last thing you were mentioning was even though a person might be in the heritage church they

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If they are truly saved that the Spirit would continue to work on them and hopefully dissuade them from continuing

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Yeah, they will generally leave I guess I've talked to many Catholics many Mormons Jehovah's Witnesses over the years and they gradually

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Something's wrong and then they figured out and they are gone because they're believers are true believers and the true

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God the true gospel Right. So I guess the root of that would be the idea that If he started a good work in you he's faithful and right we'll complete that work

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Right flippage one six. That's correct And I guess the completion of that work is in the next life

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Yeah, he works through our lives completely totally until we die and then we're with him

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I want to get this Good as possible Here Well, yeah, it's still gonna be a shock

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Much further I had to go when I get there, but but yeah, yeah You're in the right track

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Okay. Well, I just wanted to make sure that Well, I'm trying to discern, you know, is that exactly what it means?

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You know, what completion is the next life? in the the new regenerated body all that Well Until it until the day of Christ Jesus.

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This is talking with the earthly life that word until there Archie and it's a

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Cree, excuse me, and it's dealing with the work in progress of what he's doing Until that day of Christ Jesus when he comes back and or when you die and this perfectionist work continues in your earthly life

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That's what it's really talking about then when you die or the Lord returns and then that's it

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You know, then you're you're there Okay, good Okay, I appreciate it.

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God bless you, buddy. Sure. God bless you. All right All right.

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Hey if you want to call me the number is eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six

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You have to open lines Alan from Virginia. Welcome. You're on the air Hi, man, how's it going?

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It's going in hanging in there. What do you got buddy? So I've been taught in the past that Salvation occurs when you are granted faith

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And that brings the question to me. What exactly is Salvation is it?

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Is it just is it basically in a sense shielding being shielded from the

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Father's wrath and If so, when did that occur Either when you were chosen or when you die

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There is in Christian theology something called the now and the not yet The down and not yet.

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It's gonna teach this to you okay, so I'm gonna go to Romans 8 29 and read that verse of the next verse and Notice the tenses the past tense we get to verse 29, but notice this

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Those whom he foreknew he also predestined past tense to be conformed to the image of his son so that he would be the firstborn among many brethren and These whom he predestined

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He also called and these whom he called He also justified and these whom he justified he also glorified now glorification spoken of in the past tense

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But we know that glorification deals with the resurrection of our bodies and the complete glorification that we're gonna have with the

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Lord It's not yet occurred So this is an example of the now the not yet Because it's it our now is simply not yet what it is going to be but yet it's spoken of as being now

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He's already glorified Another example of this is Jesus bore our sin in his body in the cross.

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Well, my sin is 2 ,000 years later And so Jesus bore my sin his now was my not yet There is this concept in scripture where individuals people have an experience of that which is proclaimed by God decreed by God ordained by God and For for us it's not yet But it's said to be the case just like the verses already read to you

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He bore our sin in his body in the cross first Peter 224 that was back then and those of me

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Called he justified and those who justified he also glorified the glorification spoken in the past tense. So this is guaranteed stuff

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So when we talk about this issue of salvation, when are we saved? We could play with the words a little bit and and say well normally

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We'd say someone is saved when they they believe they're justified when they believe

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Romans 328 Romans 5 1 etc Now to be saved it means to be safe in the righteous judgment of God Now we could say that in that sense that was predestined from the foundation of the world

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So we could from there we could do a gigantic eternal now and not yet Because before he created the universe it was

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God's now but the universe and all of us did not yet exist in it So what

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God did was he decreed? He called his certain individuals to be saved as Ephesians 1 for he chose us in him before the foundation of the world

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Well, that's his now but our not yet So in one sense, he has ordained those who will be saved from his righteous judgment but that salvation necessitates the atoning sacrifice of a pitiatory sacrifice and Justification by faith because Jesus canceled the sin debt at the cross.

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It's not canceled when you believe it's canceled when Jesus was crucified It's Colossians 2 14.

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So what we have it all this kind of stuff. Is this this Tension of time now and not yet So now you've asked a question.

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What points a person saved in one sense for the foundation of the world He's appointed to be saved from God's judgment

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That's back then that's election predestination. He experiences the salvation upon his belief which

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God grants Philippians 129 and so We could say then in one sense

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He is has been decreed to be saved from the foundation of the world

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But he experiences salvation upon the belief that he has the exercises in Christ Okay What?

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Why don't you say I guess Try to think because I don't want to make it where it's

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I'm tickling the idea of If salvation is if salvation occurs before the foundation of the world but sanctification occurs at the same temporal time that you know are

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You're granted faith if that hold on hold on We're gonna say salvation occurred before the foundation of the world at that point

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We have to to be very clear what we mean by that the appointment of God To save people from the righteous judgment in that very loose sense

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They have been Decreed to be saved, but they don't even exist yet So it can't be that they are

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Saved because they didn't exist when God decreed that has to be a future decree that they will be

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But he's decided those are the ones who will be so you could some people say what means you're born saved

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Not no, it doesn't because in the now and the not yet You are going to the person who is elect will come to believe because God grants it to them and then they experience the now and the not yet manufactured not manufactured, but Manifested at that point in that time when they do believe and then they experience that salvation of God that God has decreed

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But from but before they believe they're under the wrath of God Because we are by nature children of wrath

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Ephesians 2 3 this is why the now and the not yet It's a very important doctrine that few people deal with and talk about but it's a very poor doctor as you can see go ahead so I guess talking about on Well the term

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Etymology or Essence of words or the origin of words and structure of words.

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Yeah I'm worse than talking about on About like properties of nature stuff like that ontology, but it's ontology

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Ontology there is I was thinking about now It doesn't really make sense that someone is saved they haven't existed because they don't have a nature yet Right.

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They haven't they're not born saved anymore than When God decided to save them that they were saved

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Because we have to understand how the gospel of the Bible talks about this That if you believe you will be saved in that context is saying if you trust in Christ You will be safe in the righteous judgment of God and it's true if you do you will be

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But God at the same time is decreed from eternity those people who are his So when it says you will be saved does that mean then does that does that have to necessitate that you are saved?

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at the point of belief Or does it mean that yet a future point?

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Yes, it's it's the issue of the now and the not yet again So we get back from the break

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Let's talk about this because let's let's talk about an atheist who is gonna become a believer at 50 But he's at the age of 40.

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What condition is he in at that point? It's okay. Hold on buddy. We'll get back after these messages and Stay tuned

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It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six.

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Here's Matt slick All right, I'm gonna welcome back to the show last segment of the hour just gonna remind you will not be live

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Thursday and Friday Because of the holiday or Thanksgiving and back on Lord willing on Monday Friday.

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I have a debate on Unconditional election. I'll put the information on Probably go to calm that org forward slash debate and Put it there also on the calendar.

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All right, let's get back on the air with Alan Alan. Welcome here on the air Still hey, thank you,

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Matt. Okay All right, so I give this analogy or this illustration

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There's a man who was chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world

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He's gonna be saved at 50. He's 40. So he's a denier of God.

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He's an atheist so The issue here is that God has ordained his salvation, but he is functionally under judgment

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And the things he does are outside the will of God But God in his mercy saves him at a certain time at that time is when he experiences the salvific work of God That's what he does when he gets saved when he believes

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But even though he's been elected from the foundation of the world The now the not yet God's now is also

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God's not yet because in his now His election is of them is of him is true

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But it's not yet occurred that the person has been created by God So God has a now the not yet as we do in many other areas.

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So We this is what the it's not a tension But it's kind of attention between the now and the not yet And it just takes some thinking about it as many theologians have they call the now the night

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There's another phrase that use for it now the night Yeah, now and that will be or something like that. I call it now and then not yet I saw the already but not yet, but it doesn't a lot of on it's talking about the kingdom and not necessarily a

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Salvation from what I'm reading it's hard to get the exact Sure, uh -huh.

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Yeah, it's just you know, you can apply it in different different ways You know now they're not yet so okay not a big deal.

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All right Yeah, I think so I think

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I think I'm still trying to get it I'm still trying to understand how if it's if you believe you will be saved

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I'm having a having trouble with Understanding how it's only limited to the point of where it has to be limited to the point of being granted faith, and it doesn't have to be

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Awarded after sanctification basically when you when you die, it would you don't be safe Salvation is before sanctification

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Sanctification is a process you go through after being saved after being regenerated This is why

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I tend to be more specific than a lot of other people talking about this

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I'd like to say you at the point of your regeneration This is when you are justified because belief and regeneration occur

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Simultaneously God grants that you have repentance. He grants that you have faith This is the work of God So So anyway,

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I'll leave it at that Keep going keep going. Yeah, that was basically.

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I'm just I'm just trying I was just trying to figure out if If salvation and sanctification have to be that basically on Temporally linked at the same time

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Or not because Ben Lewis with something as a you will be doesn't necessitate

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It's it doesn't necessitate the exact point Right because God is the one who grants that we have repentance 2nd

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Timothy 225. He grants that we believe Philippians 129 He as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed acts 1348

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He causes us to be born again. First Peter 1 3. We're born again. Not of our own. Will John 1 13 so God has elected people in Christ Ephesians 1 4 & 5 what

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I what I teach on the radio here is not popular It's not popular among preachers and Christians But that's why

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I give the references so you can go check what I'm saying right there with the Word of God And the reason it's not popular is one it takes some brain work to figure some of these things out the other is

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What I teach removes the sovereignty of man and puts it completely in the hands of God Then people complain

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Because they don't like the idea that God can do with this creation as he desires And he elects people based on what's in him not what's in us people don't like because a lot of humans want to take pride and be the

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Deciding factor whether It's humanist philosophy that they've inserted in into the scriptural interpretations

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They've done this a lot and it's prevalent in the Christian Church So God does not choose us based on any goodness in us.

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He elects us in Christ that's Ephesians 1 4 in Christ is a term of federal headship

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Which means he represented us the choosing is Only valid in Christ and in Christ is only valid in the choosing or the election

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They work together Where the father would elect and give to the son those in the son because in the son is whom he would redeem

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He didn't redeem every individual. He certainly did not pay for everybody's sins first Samuel 3 14 says so The degrees of the last house

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Right. Oh, yeah, also the unforgivable sin. It can't be atoned for Now some people say yes

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You can't atone for a sin that can never be atoned for which you know I've had people tell me I don't have Mormon guy. Tell me this just a couple nights ago

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Yeah, Jesus can pay for the sin that can't be forgiven. Yeah. Okay. How's that work? Because that means a sin that's canceled and it's forgivable.

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It doesn't make any sense. But anyway, so We have the tension here of the of understanding how

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God's eternal Decrees eternal will because he works all things after the counsel of his will

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Ephesians 1 11 how that works with the reality of well We choose to believe and we do

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So he elects us and he grants that we have faith at a certain time as he draws us

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John 6 44 But Jesus says in John 6 65 you cannot come to me listen granted you from the

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Father you can't So, how's it all work? The best way

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I make sense of it is God in the inter -trinitarian communion before the universe existed Elected certain people in Christ in Christ means he would go to the cross

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It was already decided the eternal generation of the Son the eternal work of the Son Was already decreed from eternity and he went

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Jesus says all the Father gives me will come to me John 6 37 He says he lays his life down for the sheep

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John 10 Thanks verse 11 says but I think it's 415 says he specifically lays his life down for the sheep.

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He says others You're not my sheep so who is he going to redeem there once chosen in Christ and so the elect are all

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Future to God the now the not yet to God when he chose to elect when he did that election none of us existed and The manifestation of that election of God's choosing us and granting us repentance and faith

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Occurs when we believe now, it's not robotic. It's not deterministic It's not fatalistic a lot of people just like to say that they stop their thinking they stop their studying

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God woos He draws he has his means by which he does things He uses our prayers to to lift up others and ask

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God to redeem and all this is decided beforehand It gets really complicated But this is how the scriptures teach most people don't want to think this deeper deeply and they did accuse others of having

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Philosophy when they themselves have a philosophical approach so They're dismissive.

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Oh, it's just philosophy. It's in other words. Stop thinking. Is that what you're saying? Stop thinking? Yeah It's it they just dismiss it as philosophy.

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Don't you don't think well the doctor the Trinity's arrived at philosophically by by for example by adopting the laws of logic and law of identity and law of non -contradiction law of excluded middle

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It's various laws that are necessary when you go to the scriptures and then you presuppose certain valid Points and truths out of scripture and derive out of a systematic approach the doctrine of the

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Trinity So a lot of people are very inconsistent and what they want to do is have their cake and eat it, too

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They want to they want to say the very simple basic theological Assertations and then judge all of scripture and others by what they do.

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This is really bad. It happens a lot in the Christian Church Nevertheless, we get to this issue of the now than not yet.

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The Trinity had all knowledge He has all knowledge actual and potential.

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He knows himself exhaust exhaustively He knows exactly what will come to pass in every circumstance because every

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Potentiality is known by God. He actualized one of those Potentialities that's that timeline of potentiality and Anything on that line could only exist by the will of God either by direct causation or indirect permission

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He doesn't want us to sin, but he permits us to sin. He wills us in one sense to not sin

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That's his will that's called a prescriptive will but he has his permissive will where he wills to permit you

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He decides to permit you to sin and all of this is because God has decreed that this is what will happen

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Because people when they have when he says decree doesn't mean directly caused a lot of people think that's what it means It means that through his work

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Nothing could occur without his work and his permission since it says he works all things after the counsel of his will

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Ephesians 1 11 So this also gets into the issue of the now than not yet the foundation of how the now than not yet is

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Possible because it means then that God has elected but we are not yet And so when we become

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Existent and God grants us that faith that of the wooing and the preaching of the gospel

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I mean Romans 1 16 and Romans 10 11 to 12 9 to 10 11 12

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With the power of the gospel saves the power of the gospel opens our hearts our minds and God does this you know

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I get so many verses. I have my head about this and So we have to understand the whole of theology the

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Trinity makes no mistakes He's always known everything he's decreed those who are elect

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He has elected them and they will come to faith without error because God can't make a mistake

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So he is elected in Christ before the foundation of the world and in that sense the elect have been chosen to be saved

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We experienced the elect people experience the salvation at the moment of belief

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When we have that encounter with God the true living God and trust by faith and are justified, okay? Okay, real quick as I know

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I got a few more minutes. I uh, I was wanting to Know sorry,

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I'll be real quick. Um, I was wanting to expand my knowledge with nuance and semantic domains and whatnot

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About salvation sanctification all that kind of stuff and I'm starting to read this book called redemption accomplished and applied by John Murray Have you heard of it before?

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Yeah, it actually reminds me of Michael Horton's one of Michael Horton's books. But yeah I've heard of it

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Do you and apparently this guy seems to be a five -point Calvinist? So that seems nice to use that department and our many perspective on salvation and what?

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Yeah Arminian salvation to exaggerate is dependent upon man's choices reformed salvation to exaggerate dependent on God's choices

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But the Arminian is not negating God's work and God's sovereignty and The reformed individual is not negating man's free will and his choices

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Okay, there's a blend. Okay All right. I appreciate it

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Matt. All right, man. God bless You all right, buddy. God bless Okay Hey Martin from North Carolina Genesis 3 we're out of time.

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We got music starting in six seconds. Sorry about that, buddy I hope you call back tomorrow and if not then on Monday May the

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Lord bless you all and sorry for waiting so long to Martin 25 minutes. Wow, I feel bad about that But call back tomorrow get you on right away.

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May the Lord bless you by his grace. We're back on there tomorrow and We'll talk to you then.