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We're not minimizing the role of scripture, we're not minimizing the role of tradition, we're simply acknowledging that our vast and varied human experiences are what make us human and shape how we see everything.

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Everything changes and our faith has to be able to do the same. Have you noticed there has not been one single scripture verse reference?

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This lady has no Bible opened, she's not reading from the scripture, she's not attempting to teach from a passage.

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What is she doing? She's giving a TED Talk and she's sprinkled her TED Talk with Christian terminology. I wanna show you something today that I'm afraid a lot of people will fall for.

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And maybe they already have. They're not gonna understand what they're really hearing because they don't have the ears to hear what this person is truly teaching, right?

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We're about to take a look at a teaching from the pulpit that is disguised with biblical terminology, but ultimately stands opposed to the authority of scripture and the purpose of God for hearing his people.

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So buckle up, ladies and gentlemen, we're about to get into it and it's gonna get interesting. But before we do anything else, welcome back to Wise Disciple.

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My name is Nate, and I'm helping you become the effective Christian that you were meant to be, which entails not being fooled by a different gospel, amen?

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Please consider liking, subbing, and sharing this one around, but only if it blesses you, all right? Let's get right into it. Like if you look at the history of Christianity, it's like, y 'all, why are you so mean?

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It's not just like grudges and arguments and like violence over people, ideas, it's crazy.

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Where does love fit into that, okay? Where, what, what's love got to do with it?

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Love is just what liberals say to avoid pure doctrine. Love is,

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I feel like, always a casualty when we're maintaining that ideas are the ultimate core value, and especially when preserving those ideas are tied to the reality of God's existence.

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And our lived life experience is never allowed to make any dent in the doctrine. In fact, our experiences are viewed as deeply untrustworthy and suspicious because they are tainted by original sin, and therefore a fertile ground for Satan to sow seeds of unbelief.

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My notes. So this female pastor,

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I don't know, is running rather quickly through a list of things that have been understood as Orthodox teaching for thousands of years, you know?

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Original sin. Well, that's Genesis 3 and Romans 5, right? Don't trust your feelings.

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That's Jeremiah 29, you know? These are Orthodox concepts, and I don't mean

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Eastern Orthodox, I mean traditional Christian teaching based on scripture. But it seems like she's not in agreement with these things.

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Instead, she's taking issue with them because they get in the way of what really matters, which to her is love.

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By the way, I watched this entire talk from the very beginning, and I will say this. She's making an interesting point that I don't necessarily disagree with about experiencing

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God, that basically a lot of Christians no longer make it a priority to experience

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God. What they want to do instead is understand a bunch of things about God. And maybe we can say more about that later, but you know what?

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I agree with that, actually. I agree that Christians need to experience God. However, what

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I suspect she's going to do is she's going to say a couple of good things that are probably undeniably from the scripture, and then she's going to try to smuggle in a bunch that is probably going to be false and heretical along with it, you know?

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Like if this were a ship, the structure of the ship is going to be based on biblical concepts, but then the question becomes, what is the cargo being smuggled on this ship?

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Let's find out. Say Stan. It's a fertile ground for Stan to sow seeds of unbelief.

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If you believe in the devil, do you think he's offended that I just called him Stan? Experiences have to be brought in line with church doctrine.

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If you believe in the devil. If. That's interesting.

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Not the other way around. And like, okay, I get the logic, but there's problems with this. First of all, right ideas are not downloaded directly from heaven.

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They are the product of human experience in a specific place and a specific time.

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And secondly, the Christian faith from its inception has been highly relational and experiential, involving our entire beings, not just the maintenance of a long, long, long list of beliefs.

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I think there are more productive ways in Christianity to think about this. So let me give you a couple metaphors.

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The first one is called the Wesleyan quadrilateral. It's just as boring as it sounds. It has four sides.

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It was created by John Wesley, who was the founder of Methodism. And the four sides are scripture, tradition, reason, and experience.

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And all of these work together to come up with how we think about God.

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So how we understand scripture and what we take. So I'm not very familiar with the Wesleyan quadrilateral.

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So I'm not a Methodist. All right. I did a brief study of Wesley and the broader scope of the second great awakening, which is a fascinating study.

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I think everybody should do it. And Wesley was a key figure in that movement, but I did all of that back in school.

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So I'm a little rusty here, but I'm pretty sure what the quadrilateral is not seeking to do is come up with ideas about God.

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Did you catch that statement? Listen to it again. And the four sides are scripture, tradition, reason, and experience.

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And all of these work together to come up with how we think about God.

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I don't think that's how Wesley would characterize the quadrilateral. The quadrilateral, as far as I understand it, is meant to take three things, three factors, actually, which are tradition, reason, and experience, and subordinate them to scripture.

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They are not meant to be equal to the authority of scripture. They are meant to corroborate the teaching of scripture, which also means that if they do not corroborate scripture, those three things must realign to God's word.

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Now, that's not at all very clear because I don't think Wesley was very clear about all this. As a matter of fact,

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I don't even think Wesley was the one who came up with the term, the quadrilateral. That was somebody else after Wesley died,

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I'm pretty sure. But the point is this. I don't think this is an accurate characterization of what the quadrilateral is meant to accomplish.

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And I think this is part and parcel to what I'm talking about, which is why I'm doing the video.

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We're going to discover a very sly way of shifting the scripture to be reinterpreted based on personal experience.

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That's my guess as to where this is all going. So how we understand scripture and what we take from it are affected by the particular flavor of Christianity that you come from, and our ability to think and reason through what we are reading, and our experiences as human beings.

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The Episcopals have something very similar. It's called the three -legged stool. And of course, it's reason, tradition, scripture.

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Experience is left off of that one, but it's like experience is the thing that holds the whole thing. Well, the Anglicans had this as well, right?

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So again, this is not my area, so somebody can fact check me, but this isn't merely an Episcopal thing. The Anglicans also has had this three -legged stool thing, reason, tradition, and scripture.

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So notice, experience is not there. But again, I mean, this is all meant to help the

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Christian live by the words of God from the scripture. That is the ultimate goal of the

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Christian, not to reinterpret scripture, but to uniquely live and apply what has always been taught from it.

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As some would say it like this, one meaning multiple applications. Jesus had a way of explaining this as well.

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In Matthew 13, "'We are meant to be like the master of a house "'that brings out of his treasure something old "'and something new.'"

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Look at this. Verse 52, Jesus said, "'Therefore, every scribe who has been trained "'for the kingdom of heaven is like a master of a house "'who brings out of his treasure what is new "'and what is old.'"

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The treasure is God's word. What is old is what it has always said, and that never changes.

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What is new is how Jesus' disciples apply the words to their unique circumstances in their everyday lives.

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So what I'm doing right now is I'm framing this for you because I think I know where this is all headed.

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Thing up. There's a third model that I find much more beautiful and it's created by Richard Rohr, who is an amazing

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Catholic theologian, and he has a tricycle. Richard Rohr is an amazing Catholic theologian, guys.

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Nah. Richard Rohr, look him up. He's a progressive endorsed by the likes of Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, et cetera, et cetera.

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And the tricycle has three wheels, experience, scripture, and tradition. The difference in this analogy is that experience is the front wheel that guides the back wheels of scripture and tradition, which of course is guaranteed to get us yelled at on the internet because how dare you let experience in front of scripture.

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But it's ridiculous to me, and Richard Rohr says, even if you're not admitting to doing this, you're doing this already.

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Even when you think you're reading the Bible plainly, getting the plain meaning of the scripture, experience is still driving the car because experience is primary for every direction that our

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God taught goes. We're not minimizing the role of scripture. We're not minimizing the role of tradition. We're simply acknowledging that our vast and varied human experiences are what make us human and shape how we see everything.

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So notice what's left out now, and that's reason. So now the picture is we should come up with ideas or an understanding of God based on experience, tradition, and scripture.

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Reason is no longer required, guys. And all of this is, I mean, you know, it's an interesting usage of terms because the reality is you can't get rid of reason, actually.

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Your experience is interpreted by your reason. In other words, you experience something, yes, but then you understand your experience through what?

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You see what I mean? But notice reason is off the table now. And I wonder if it's because if reason should be your guide to living as a

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Christian, then shouldn't reason affect your experience, right? So you see the order there?

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You know, going back to the Anglican way of looking at things, if the three prongs are scripture, tradition, and reason, it naturally follows, doesn't it, that your experience will be affected and shaped by those three things.

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And I think it does, by the way. But wait a second, what happens when it becomes experience, tradition, and scripture?

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Doesn't that mean your reason must be shaped by your experience? Isn't that the point of all this?

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And guess what else? Well, I don't know yet, you know, she hasn't said it yet, but I suspect scripture and tradition must also take the back seat to somebody's lived experience.

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Let's find out. There's no such thing as being truly objective. About anything, but especially about scripture.

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And certainly not how we read the Bible or how we understand God or how we relate to each other. So there's no such thing as being objective, guys.

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I'm gonna tell you objectively that there's no such thing as being objective. Why? Because if there's no such thing, then the scripture cannot speak objectively to experience.

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All theology has an adjective. Like, there's no pure theology that can be contrasted to like feminist theology or liberation theology.

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Like white Western European theology should be called that, should be called white

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Western European theology because that's what it is. It is not the be all, end all of all thinking for all time about God.

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And to dare to assume it is the best way or the only way to think about God is contrary not just to our

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Christian faith, but to the Bible that presents all of these various and numerous voices to us.

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The other great distinction from the tricycle image and the other two, aside from the fact that the other two are boring, is that the tricycle moves.

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It's a dynamic system. It doesn't stay still. And we need a faith that moves.

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We need a faith that is dynamic. Everything about us in the world and the universe moves.

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It has a life cycle. Translation, we need a document that changes based on our view of God and sin.

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Right? I mean, isn't that where this is headed? You know, it's fascinating because she brings up roar.

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These people speak as if they have no souls. You know what I mean? Like everyone's trapped inside their own material brains and there is no way to transcend the physical body, right?

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This is a very atheist way of speaking. And because you're trapped in your own subjective sense, you can't overcome that or transcend, right?

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Well, then here we are. We're just trying to interpret based on our own experience, but we can't really know anything objectively true, guys.

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These people speak like atheists. It's fascinating. It is born, it grows, it dies, and things are circular, right?

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So like mayflies live for like a day. Guyana lives for more than a day, but her toes may not.

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Humans live like, you know, like 75, 90 years, maybe a hundred if you're lucky or unlucky, depending on your health.

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Did you know Greenland sharks can live for 300 years? Shark bait, yes.

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Glass sponges can live for 10 ,000 years. Have you noticed there has not been one single scripture verse referenced?

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Where is her Bible? This lady has no Bible opened.

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She's not reading from the scripture. She's not attempting to teach from a passage. She's, what is she doing?

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She's giving a TED talk about love. And she's sprinkled her TED talk with Christian terminology.

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Nobody in the audience seems to have a problem with this, by the way, you know? So we're looking at something in practice that she's clearly teaching from the stage, right?

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The scripture does not take primacy over everything else. And there is a specific kind of jellyfish that is immortal.

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It reproduces and then it reverts to a polyp and starts life over again, to infinity. It just never dies, unless of course it's eaten, but.

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Everything has a life cycle. Everything grows and changes and nothing stays the same. Not even the ground beneath our feet, not even the, like everything changes and our faith has to be able to do the same.

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We have to be able to grow and move and adjust and expand to encompass the ever -growing body of human experience.

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Just like the faith of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob became the faith of the

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Israelites, which became the faith of the exiles in Babylon, which became the faith of the Jews under the

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Roman rule, which became the faith of the disciples while Jesus was on the earth, which became the faith of the Christians.

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And don't get me started on the Christians. From Catholicism to Orthodox to Protestant, we'll be here literally all day.

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Okay, I'll spare you. Like it sounds questionable to say that our experience needs to be the front wheel of the tricycle, but it always has been and it needs to be.

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We are designed as humans to give and receive love and this is how we experience God in our lifetime. False.

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Do you, you can't, like the statements come really quickly, you know, so you gotta listen out for it.

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We are not designed to give and receive love. We were designed to glorify

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God. So again, notice all of these claims are not backed up by any scripture guys, but here's mine.

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Isaiah 43 verse six, the Lord says, bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the end of the earth.

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Everyone who is called by my name, here it is, whom I created for what? My glory.

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Whom I formed and made. God has created us for his glory. That's why

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Jesus says in Matthew five, in the same way, let your light shine before others, verse 16, so that they may see your good works in what?

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Give glory to your father who is in heaven. This is why the apostle Paul says, all things were created for God.

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Look at this. Chapter one, verse 16, for by him, all things were created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible.

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All things were created through him and what? For him. It's for God.

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It's for his glory that we were created. That means love is not the ultimate goal of our creation.

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Love, as it is properly defined by God, gives God glory. Why? Because that's ultimately why we were created.

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And it is the person actually, who seeks to reduce this grand divine goal down to something smaller, like just love, guys.

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But oh, by the way, probably a love that has no biblical boundaries, right? A love that distorts

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God's design as defined in the scripture, in Genesis chapter two, and ultimately thwarts his purpose for mankind.

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Do you see what's going on here? By the way, the whole point of this exercise, again, is to highlight the way that language is used to sound very

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Christian, but also distort the truth. Can you see this? This lady uses

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Christian terms and talks about biblical concepts, also never reading from the scripture, by the way. But she does this in order to teach something and take the truth and warp it so that it becomes more palatable to the modern ear.

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We were warned by scripture about this very thing, ladies and gentlemen. By the way, people ask, you know, Nate, what is this app that you're using to read the

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Bible? It's Logos, okay? It's a Bible app with tons of commentaries and awesome features. I use it every day.

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It's been such a blessing. Just wanna say really quick, go to check out logos .com forward slash wise disciple. Take advantage of the discounts that they're running for my audience there.

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It's gonna be a game changer for you, okay? So check this out. This is the Apostle Paul. He's warning the

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Galatians about something he calls a different gospel. Look at that. It's right in verse six, okay? I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel, right?

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Look at verse eight. But even if we are an angel from heaven should preach to you, here it is, a gospel contrary to the one that we preached to you, let him be accursed.

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Now, this raises a question if you are a good Bible student, right? What is a gospel that is contrary to the true one?

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What does that sound like? Paul goes on to say this, verse 11. For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.

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For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

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Now, again, look at this. We have something called man's gospel, okay? What is that?

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What does the gospel of man sound like? Now, Paul goes on in the rest of this passage to talk about how he was once lost, about how he received the true gospel from Jesus in a dramatic fashion, and that led him to go and present himself before Peter and the others.

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And guess what everyone did when they found out about Paul's conversion to the truth? Look at verse 24.

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They glorified God. Isn't that the goal? So here we are back again to why

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God created mankind in the first place. It's not some vague, ill -defined sense of love that ultimately leads to sin.

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It's the glory of God. That's the whole ballgame, ladies and gentlemen. By the way,

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Jesus met someone who believed man's gospel. Did you know that? He ran into this person when he was very thirsty at a well back in John chapter four.

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Do you remember this story? And what did he say to this person? Did he say, well, you know, are you expressing love?

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Are you giving love, right? You know, because you know the whole design for human beings was to love and give love.

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No, it's not what he said. This is what he said. John chapter four, verse 23. But the hour is coming and is now here when the true worshipers will worship the

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Father in spirit and truth. Do you see the dichotomy that the Bible is presenting to us? True and false, right?

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For the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is looking for people.

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Out of the entire span of creation, he's looking for people who what? Know how to love and give love?

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No. Who know how to worship him in truth? Why? Because there are all kinds of people who seek to distort and warp the truth about God and his purpose for mankind.

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And guess how that distortion takes place? With lies and falsehoods so subtle sometimes that you wouldn't even realize it.

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Unless you know God's word. Unless you are diligent to understand what it says. That's why the warning is clear.

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The Apostle Paul says this in Acts chapter 20. I know that after my departure, fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock, and from among your own selves will arise men, here it is, speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.

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I mean, the warning is all over the place in the New Testament, friends. Guard the truth. Guard the treasure of God's word.

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Do not distort the truth. Do not stray from the truth. Do not follow a different gospel.

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One that is contrary to the true one. By the way, you know what the solution is for this?

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It's not loving and giving love. Paul says it's the whole counsel of God, right in verse 27.

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We have to know what that is, friends. We have to know the full counsel of God, because it's so much bigger than just love, guys.

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Love is part of it, so don't get me wrong. It's just not the end goal. And if you don't understand that, you end up reducing down the grand design of God and opening the door to all kinds of sin in the name of good intentions.

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If the goal properly understood is to give God the glory, then guess what?

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You will obey his word, which will give you the definition and purpose for love. And when you do that, you will flourish in the world that God has made.

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And the end result of all of that is we're gonna praise him for it, amen? All right, friends, this was an interesting exercise, okay?

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As always, I don't want to at all make fun of anybody or degrade people. There are so many things left unsaid about this entire situation here, about this person, the people that she's speaking to, but let's just do this.

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Let's pray for her. Let's pray for her church. Not that they will receive the wrath of God, but that their eyes will be open to the truth and that they will repent and follow him, amen?

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By the way, and I've said this many times in videos, when I was younger, I said a lot of worse things about God than this lady has.

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And here I am. I am a testament to his grace and mercy. Let's never forget that, all right? Okay, well, now it's your turn.

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What do you think about this message from this female pastor? I don't know. I'm trying to find the right term here.

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Are you on board with this, or do you agree with me that this is a huge problem? Let me know in the comments below. Well, shoot, you made it.

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