The Importance of Feasting on the Word

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Brothers, what we do in life echoes in eternity.

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I mean, this is what's wrong with the Christian church today. We don't know who God is, and we don't know who we are.

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This is where we hold them. Officer, you need to repent of your lawless conduct.

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You don't know the law, and yet you pretend to represent it. That's not law enforcement, sir.

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That's being a thug. We will not stop fighting and bothering you all until this monstrous, barbaric practice of legalized abortion ends, and we are teaching our children to do the same.

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God's word says that the shed blood of innocent humans cries out for justice, and mark my words, they will have their day in court.

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Nobody gets saved by being treated nicely. They get saved by hearing the gospel.

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Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. If we don't open our mouths and commend

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Christ... We're not loving them, no matter what we're doing with our hands.

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One of the other things I really love about your show is that you really focus in on just a steady diet of the word.

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Summer, you host a Bible study at your house, and so our show is to revoke the church, to destroy cultural idols, preach the gospel, rescue babies.

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Why is it so important in the life of a Christian man and woman to be steadily in the word so that, like 2

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Timothy 3 .16 says, so that we can be equipped for every good work? You guys talk about this a lot on the show.

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Why should we be constantly... This should be top priority for us as Christians.

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I like what Ray Comfort said. We won't go a day without eating, but we will go a day without reading our

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Bibles. Why is that? Discuss. I think we were created by the word of God, and we are sustained by the word of God.

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And just very simply, we require the word of God because that's how he's designed us to work.

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It's not some... I mean, it is kind of magical, but it's not some deep, insightful secret.

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We are sustained and upheld by his word. And if you neglect that, you are neglecting one of the main ways that he has said that he will feed you spiritually and sustain you.

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And we have very short memories, and we still have battles with the flesh to fight that we cannot fight without the word of God.

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And so, yes, there is a supernatural power, but God has designed us to work in such...

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Jesus calls himself the bread of life, right? And there's a reason why he's called the word.

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And so there's a reason why there's an... I think God gave us bellies and hunger to point us to these spiritual realities of like, you need bread to live.

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You need Jesus to live. Taste and see that the Lord is good. Yeah, we know what that means. We know what it's like when we taste something.

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We know what it's like when we see something. Our bodies naturally want those things.

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And when we're being spiritually disciplined, we are being fed in a way that we need to be fed. And so Christians that choose not to read the

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Bible are choosing to be malnourished. They're intentionally harming their spiritual life.

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And I mean, do I need to say that we shouldn't do that? I mean, we shouldn't do that. It's not that there's a certain amount of reading that you should do or a certain way that you should do it.

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I think there's lots of strategies that have been employed over the many years that Christians have been living with the

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Old and the New Testament. And there's really just no excuse in our day and age not to be consuming that.

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And I think that we give ourselves a pass because we are arrogant. We are prideful.

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We don't believe that we need what we need. I also love, Paul says multiple times in the

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New Testament, when he's writing his epistles to these churches that he's commending for their love and their grace.

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And he's like, everybody knows how much you guys love each other. Everybody knows how much you guys love Jesus. And it's been such a pleasure for me to hear from others how you've been loving each other well and all this.

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And then he gives them the gospel. And he says like, it doesn't weary me to remind you of this.

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Because Paul knows that if you are a believer, you know the gospel. You need to hear the gospel.

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You need to hear it again. Even those of you that I've heard are doing so well and you're so strong and everybody's talking about how strong you are in the faith.

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Here, I'm going to tell you this thing you need to hear again. And I'm not going to get tired of telling you. And so I think something that we need to pursue is not being tired of hearing it.

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That's not something you can do in and of yourself. But I do think that is a yes prayer.

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I think that's a prayer that will be answered. And so yeah, you know, something that,

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I mean, I've been a Christian for a long time. And I would say that it's only been four or five years that I've been a very consistent

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Bible reader. And it's a discipline that I mentally knew

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I needed to get into. But I just, I think there were all these things holding me back where I had all these false beliefs of like, well, if I can't read this much, then

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I'm just not going to read it at all. Or if I don't have half an hour, then I guess I just don't have,

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I can't do it right now. Or I'm not in a mood. How about the mood? Ooh, the mood. Like my mood right now or, you know, waiting for the perfect moment.

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And it goes back to that Ray Comfort quote of just like, I would never treat food that way.

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If I only had 15 minutes to eat, I would eat something. And if you only have, and I don't believe that you do, but for the sake of argument, if you only have 15 minutes to read, then use them to read.

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And so I think just getting over those hurdles has been a big, a big blessing and also just getting over myself, my own pride and actually believing what

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God says, because, you know, there is no specific address in the

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Bible for like, this is how you should read that. There's no Bible plan in the Bible. Right.

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Right. And that's fine. But I think it's very clear that we are to draw near to God and you can't do that without his word.

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Right. Well, and it's really like, it's not just, it's not a, obviously reading your

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Bible has plenty of practical benefits, but God tells you to read the word and consume the word.

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And it's not just pragmatic. And I think that's where we get caught up into like, well, if I read my

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Bible, then I'll feel better today. Or I can't read my Bible because I only have 15 minutes. And we get it all in this like, you know, we just conflate it and make it harder or, or we are only going to it for the practical benefits of it.

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Like maybe we do feel a little more peace or we feel closer, but that's not what, again, like to bring, to talk about food and consumption, like, like food doesn't just have a practical benefit.

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Like we, God blessed us with food. He blessed us with his word.

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Right. And we don't, we, the focus shouldn't be like just like if you're only consuming it in a practical way, just like if you're only consuming food in a practical way, like calories in calories out, what's the macros, what's the, you know, and there's never like an enjoyment.

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Then you're, you're missing the blessing that it is. You've turned it into a self -help book that is going to produce results.

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What's in it for me? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I was thinking about, Pastor Jeff had brought up Psalm 144 one this last

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Sunday, and I've been thinking about a lot, blessed be the Lord, my rock who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battling.

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How do we think that God trains our hands for war and our fingers for battle? Well, he does it through his word and, and that does equip us for every good work.

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And that spills into everything else, you know, motherhood, evangelism, all the things that we're talking about coming up against the cultural ideologies that we're faced against right now.

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So whatever your battle is like that, the word is like, yeah, that's how he's going to equip you to face.

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Like there's things that we encounter as parents or as wives and, you know, spouses that, that we go, how are, how am

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I going to do this? Like you're going to be equipped because you're reading the word, but if you're not in the word.

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It's like throwing away your sword and being like, let's go. I'm ready. Exactly. I have no weapons, but come at me.

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Yeah, exactly. Right. So, well, thank you for that. That's, I mean, I think that is just a blessing to our listeners just to, to really maybe ponder on that alone, because that is what is going to prepare us for, for fighting.

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You know, that is what's going to give us longevity is, is being saturated in the word.

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Even just the word, like it literally will just give you the words.

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Right. Yeah, exactly. To evangelize. It will give you, if you are, if you are in your final moments about to be martyred.

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Yeah. Historically, those are the words that the martyrs spoke. Like just actual literal scripture.

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Right. And they didn't, they didn't just, they weren't like, oh, I'm glad I read this one verse 40 times.

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And now I kind of remember the, the, like a rough. Right. General idea of what it said.

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Yeah. It was like, we just, we read about a covenanter that had a hand written, like hand copied

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New Testament. And he dug a vault like below his house because of persecution.

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And he stayed in that vault and studied his, his own copied.

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Hand copied. Yeah. That he passed on to like generations and generations. Right. And women being drowned and like, as the water, like they would drown them slowly in the waves.

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And like when the waves would come down, they would just be repeating Romans eight because they had committed it to memory.

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And that was what was coming out. They're repeating whole Psalms because it's all been committed to memory.

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And these are their last words. And so we look at, you know, we look back and we listen to, you know, Fox's books,

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Fox's book of martyrs. We actually listened to it on audio or we read it, you know, and we're like, how, how, you know, you just hear death after gruesome death, after persecution, people's families being just brutally done.

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The worst of the worst kids. And you're like, how did these people have this faith?

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They weren't surprised by the fiery trial, you know? I mean, maybe there was some shock there or something, but no, they knew the word.

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And so they knew what was, they knew why and they had God's word stored in their heart.

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And so that's why you see some of them going to the guillotines. Singing Psalms.

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Singing Psalms and repeating scripture because they had God's word in their peace and it prepared them for the battle that they had.

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So man, it's good stuff. So makes me like, I just had, like you said,

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I've, I've gotten, you know, in the past of just like getting so caught up in the kind of practical side of Bible reading or I'll be like, okay,

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I'm on my Bible reading pen. I skipped a day. Now I got to go back. Oh wait. Oh no. I should just do a whole hour. Oh no. And then all of a sudden you've gone to sleep and you're like, wait a minute.

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I didn't even read anything at all. So we found like our little sweet spot now is waking up early, which is super hard, but it's, this is the only thing that's helping us like stay consistent.

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So this just works for, yeah, for, for our family this time. And who knows, maybe it'll, it'll change it up.

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But for right now, my husband and I have been waking up and we read for a little bit together. And then that's so cute.

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It's, it's really good though, for both of us and for the whole family. And then we read with the kids before they go to bed.

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So that's kind of our, I was trying to do it cause I'm more of an auditory learner. So he reads a lot of the time and all, yeah.

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But anyways, you've got to find what works for your family for yourself. That's right.

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So, okay. Well I got, let's see, how are we doing on time? Are you okay? Oh, I'm great. Yeah. I'm not even, didn't we just start five minutes ago?

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Yeah. Okay. So I got one last subject that I think we could talk about probably for a while, but we can just go for as long as you guys feel like it.

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But one big topic about your show is about feminism. Let's see my shirt.

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There you go. You can get some really cute, some really cute gear. I have a coffee cup. I meant to bring it, but I use it all the time.

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I don't have a mug yet. I want one. I like it. I get, I love it. When my nieces come over, they're always like, oh,

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I want a Sheologian shirt. Oh, that's cute. Okay. So here's, here it is.

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Why is feminism poison? Like our shirts say. And the implications it has, feminism, has brought in the area of abortion, the abortion

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Holocaust, and our current cultural climate. I'll read that again. Why is feminism poison? And the implicate, let me read this.

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I'm confusing myself. What are the implications that it has brought in the area of the abortion

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Holocaust and the current, and our current cultural climate. That's a tongue twister. Current cultural climate.

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Current cultural climate. Yeah. I was scared to say it. I was like, don't mess up. I mess up so much on the show that I'm just like,

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I don't care. That's the thing about our show that, that gives me relief.

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That is, I'm like, wait, no, I'm supposed to be like an example of like, if that lady can go up and do evangelism.

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You do great. I've seen you on the street. You do great. It's just like a, I haven't done it actually in a while, but I always say it's like a, you know, working out.

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Yep. The more you do it, the more you talk about the Lord, it's easier it gets. Yeah. So let's start with the first sentence.

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Yeah. Why is feminism poison? Cause your shirts say feminism is poison. And so I'm sure you guys get looks from having that.

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And so people are probably like, what are you talking about? Feminism is women power. So I know it's a really big subject.

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I know that there's been some really good books written on it, like Rebecca Merkel's Eve in Exile.

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That was a really good one. But if you can give us a little, maybe, I know you've had episodes about it, episodes upon episodes.

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Yeah. I wonder how many hours we've spent. Probably a lot. If you go to our website and just type in feminism in the search bar, you'll get a lot will pop up.

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Well, I think I have an answer as directly as to why, like we would say that it poisons the woman that wears that badge.

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Simply said, it turns a woman bitter towards her work.

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The work that she's been given to do here by God, which is a whole conversation that people like to have conversations about.

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But I would say just to keep it simple and comprehensive, it is poisonous because it actually turns the woman against her purpose and turns the woman against her husband and her children, which are a huge part of the work that's been given.

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So it basically makes it so that women are unable to carry out the will of God because they are totally poisoned and dead.

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So would you say it's a direct assault on the family unit? Oh, yes.

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Yes. So our big thing has always been that if you are a

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Christian, you do not need feminism because you already have the, there is nothing that gives a human being special worth outside of the animals aside from the fact that we're made in the image of God.

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Right. So what higher standard is there? People will say, well, feminism is just the belief that men and women are equal.

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Well, I actually believe more than that about women. Right. I believe that women are made in the image of God.

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We're not just equal to man. Right. We are made in the very image of God.

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That is far more special than having the same worth or value as a man.

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Sure. Yeah. So we would argue we already have a higher standard for women than feminism.

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And by injecting feminism into your definition or your standard of what makes a woman valuable or that you believe a woman is valuable,

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I mean, you have to borrow from a pagan worldview. Right. I mean, if you don't have

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God, then, I mean, honestly, in a materialistic worldview where we all got here through evolution, men and women aren't equal.

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Yeah. Because it's the strong that survive. And beyond how many children you can.

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I mean, men can in one way produce far more children than women can. Like we got one at a time and it takes us roughly a year.

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I mean, men can create far more children than we can. Yeah. And so in a materialistic worldview, it means nothing.

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Sure. Feminism means nothing. But beyond that, I think a lot of Christians, because we were educated in public school, we have this idea that the first wave of feminists, you know, they really, they were

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Christians. They were these just nice little biddies in their big hoop dresses. And they just wanted women to be able to vote.

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Right. That's not true. That's, that's not what they, that's not all that they were here for.

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There are things. They didn't, that's not the ideology of feminism. So when someone says, when someone says,

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Feminism is just the radical notion that women are equal to men.

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Not only is that, do we have a better answer? But that's not actually what feminism is.

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And the original feminists were not, by and large, Christians, not the influential ones. When you actually go back and read what they had to write, it was very subversive.

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In a way, very satanic. They had a real obsession with the garden.

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Oh, really? I didn't know that. I've read a little bit, but not. Oh, real obsession with, with Satan in some ways.

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Oh, really? Some of them had real obsessions with Lilith, right?

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The first actual, real first woman. They had some real radical beliefs.

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Really? That, I mean, that don't get talked about. Right. Because, well, they just, you know, they were against slavery and they, great.

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They wanted, they wanted women to vote. And they wanted women to vote. I was surprised that they were for prohibition.

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Well, that's because all the men were drinking. And so, yeah, even prohibition, which I would be against.

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Right. And really women, they really helped usher in the nanny state, which has done a lot of damage.

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And essentially, you know, we've, we make this argument and go more into the history of it. And actually somebody emailed me and said, we're due for another.

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Oh, yeah, we are. Series anyway. But. Now that we remembered, it's been five years.

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Five years later. I'm like, we do it every year. We've only done it twice. It's a mom brain.

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Mom brain. But so when the prohibition happened and basically something we've gone into is that when women did become more involved in the politics and the government, it ushered in the nanny state.

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Because essentially the men, you know, there were a lot of men very abusive. That's why they wanted prohibition, by the way, was because men were getting drunk, beating their wives.

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And so the whole movement was like, please stop. Please stop. Yeah. Which is what we don't have a great question, which is.

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Understandable why people would not want their husbands going out, getting wasted all the time. Right. Yeah. Completely. However, appealing to the government.

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Sure. That's not their sphere. Yeah. Did a lot of damage and typically does more damage. And so even, you know, you asked about was what does it have to do with abortion?

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Yeah. Well, a lot. Many of the argument from the other side about abortion is like,

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OK, but women are in this horrible position. Right. And and honestly, that's been like the crux of the feminist argument throughout for through every wave.

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Women are in this horrible position. Yeah. Now I'm going to let her having an amazing time.

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Women are having a horrible time. Now we're going to legislate it out of existence or legislate something into existence.

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So. So we we agree there are real problems that real men are really responsible for.

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Right. Yeah. And there has been an utter breakdown of society. But I think the men getting the women to kill their offspring so they can have no fault sex was a real power move by the patriarchy.

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Right. Yeah. Because who does that benefit? Right. Yeah. Who does that? That has not.

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And that's that's the whole idea of the poison, is that we have been so infected by these lies and we have traded the the high standard of being made in the image of God for just being powerful feminists instead and swapped out all of our strength and dignity in the meantime for something much cheaper and much less than what

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God would have had for us in the first place. Well, unlike something that's poison doesn't look like it's thriving.

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Yeah. And that's why you see so much ugliness and death in in a man made religion.

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It's a doctrine. Oh, for sure. Yeah. And and you basically I mean, basically, you see women, whatever historical point they want to start at in feminism.

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You see women slowly making the case that they are enough of a victim that society can make it up to them by letting them murder their kids.

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Right. And what a what a fantastic ploy of the enemy, the reason why he attacks the family unit, because it's a direct reflection of Christ and his bride and his covenant people.

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And so. Well, and even just someone was talking about just the if you want to talk about the power that a woman has, the power in her own home and to shape the attitude of her home and the feeling of it.

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Yeah. A woman can make a beautiful, hospitable home and she can make a wretched, dirty, either physically or emotionally, spiritually.

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And so, I mean, yeah, it's it is a poison that's infiltrated homes. Yeah. And it's infiltrated the obviously like, you know, the man has a different role, but the woman's role is so it even though the man leads the woman takes such a part in her husband's day and the feeling of her husband and just what even what's going on in his head for that day.

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Right. The woman is so, so in control of that. And if it's poisoned, then her house is.

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Sure. Yeah. It's gonna it's gonna have this outworking. Yeah, she's gonna tear down. In their lives.

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The walls with her own. Yeah. Hands and tongue. And sometimes that looks like just complaining on social media every day for 10 years.

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What a horrible husband you have. And sometimes it's I'm leaving you all. Right. I'm abandoning you.

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Or just the bitterness because you feel entitled to some other life. You know. So, yeah,

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I like, like, I think Bodhi Bakram talked about abortion being Satan's like crown jewel.

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Right. Because it's an attack on the image of God. Right. So you see that constantly.

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He's always attacking the family unit through homosexuality, through feminism, through abortion.

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He's just coming at us. And, you know, I feel like when you get involved in any type of ministry, when it comes to evangelism, but also just when

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God saves you, any Christian, whether you're active in evangelism or not, he's going to come after your marriage.

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You know, he's going to come after. He wants to tear people apart. You know, he wants to tear husband and wife apart.

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He wants to destroy families. So we have to really rail against that.

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And part of that is standing up to demonic ideologies like feminism and not letting the cultural definition of it like and the emotionalism attached to that define what it really is.

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You know, because just like BLM, for instance, like, OK, people are like Black Lives Matter. Don't you believe

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Black Lives Matter? Duh. Duh. I'm a Christian. I don't even believe they just matter.

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But they're like of great importance and precious because they're made in the image of God. I actually have a higher view of them than you do.

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Right. And so feminism, don't you care about women being equal? Yeah. But this word over here doesn't hang.

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I like your dad said it really well, better than I'm going to articulate it. But he said you can't just let that word hang in suspension without any other.

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It has meaning. And so feminism on a whole has meaning because of all that it entails and what it actually is.

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Same with the Black Lives Matter movement. This isn't just saying Black Lives Matter. No, it's attached to this un -Christ, unbiblical ideology that is not from God.

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Well, I think it's important that we judge by fruit. Right. So it's easy to say like Black Lives Matter.

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But what has been the fruit of that movement? It's been death, destruction, bitterness, division.

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Right. It hasn't brought any kind of healing. Right. Because it wasn't even attacking the right problem to begin with.

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And then the same thing with feminism where it's like, yeah, it is such a big, I mean, feminism has been a thing for a century now.

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A century is a hundred years, right? Anyway, it's a callback. It doesn't matter. We had this conversation earlier.

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With the millennia. It's a hundred. Anyways, it's been a thing for a century. A millennia is a thousand years, right?

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously. But it's more. How does it sound like? Numbers are hard.

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So feminism, you know, it's been around for a hundred years. It's been, it's morphed into different things and it's had different waves.

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Let's judge it by the fruit because that's how we are to judge. We judge things by its fruit. What has been the fruit of feminism?

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It's 63 million dead image bearers of God. It's all kinds of just,

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I mean, look at the pain. Broken homes. Broken homes. And sexual bitterness. And like just, you can't, you are to judge things by what it produces.

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This is what feminism has produced. We have women who are more highly medicated and depressed and anxious and traumatized than ever before.

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That's the standard. It's the standard for Christian women. Right. Christian women in the church. Standard.

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Anxious. Depressed. Can't control themselves. Unhappy with their husbands.

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Unhappy in their families. This is the fruit because our entire culture drank the

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Kool -Aid. Right. The poisoned Kool -Aid. The poisoned Kool -Aid. Not the good kind. No.

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And what Christians need to do is they need to go back, I guess, the food is a theme today.

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Yeah. We love food. Yeah. It's my dinner time almost. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that's maybe why we're hungry or something.

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We need to change our taste buds. Sure. I think that for far too many Christians, we have been feeding ourselves a steady diet of really poisoned ideas without critically thinking, and that's what we're used to now.

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And it's like if you grew up eating TV dinners and never knew anything different, you're like, yeah, this is delicious.

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I don't know why I feel like crap all the time, but this is what I'm used to. This is what I eat. And we need to change our taste buds.

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I think that we are far too comfortable with using the world's lens for how we view women and how we view ourselves and how we think of anxiety.

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Tell a Christian woman that anxiety is a sin and watch what happens.

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And that's because our taste buds, what we are consuming is a steady diet of what the world has to say about our mental health and our emotions and how we are to govern ourselves.

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Right. And we hear something that the Bible has to say about anxiety and we spit it out. We're like, what is that?

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Well, I can't take that. That's offensive. Yeah. And so we need to change our taste buds.

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We need to love what God loves and hate what God hates and renew our minds very much in accordance with that.

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Well, and if you can't do that, if you can't do that, you're not a

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Christian. You're not a Christian. Yeah. And honestly, we will give you the gospel just the same.

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Yeah. I'm not saying you're not a Christian like, bam, take that. You should feel really, really bad.

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Yeah. That's not what I'm trying to say. Please do keep listening. Yeah.

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And preach the gospel to your Christian friends that think they're Christians, but they're not actually

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Christians. But for the tradition Christian, the

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Christian who thinks that they can be a Christian and not believe what the Bible says over what they think and feel.

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Right. What you're describing is, well, what I was talking about earlier in my own testimony.

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I wasn't saved when everything that I believed came from myself.

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That's not possible. It's not a thing. And so there is this weird, because we've come from a

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Christian background in our country, there is this sort of weird obsession with wanting to call yourself a

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Christian. I know. It's so strange. Don't worry about it. I don't actually like the Bible. Right. Don't worry about it. If you're not a

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Christian, do worry about it. Don't worry about calling yourself a Christian.

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That's what I'm always like. Why would you even want to? Why? I don't get it. Because of tradition and assuaging the conscience, because we all know inherently that there's a

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God, that we want to rage against him. And we want to create an idol that is okay with our sins so we can continue on.

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Because we know. Yeah. All of us know. Well, and discipleship is so weird in our culture too.

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It's almost like it's not just that our taste buds, some of us have broken taste buds. Some of us are eating and coming regularly.

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Some of us are looking for scraps under the table. Yeah. And some of us are like, I don't know what food is. Right. I don't even know what food is.

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I don't even know what it looks like. What does it look like? A big part of my walk has been unlearning so much, because I didn't get saved until I was like 29, 28.

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And I went to public school and to state college and didn't finish.

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But yeah, I just had so many. I still have to work out these things.

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I still have to like, I was going to actually, I was thinking about naming this episode being a

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Berean of the Bible, because I feel like you guys, that's a big part of your show is holding up.

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Does this line up according to scripture? And I was going to say, Berean. Perfect.

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That's what I would say too. Just saying, okay, wait a minute. I have this idea about this subject, but is that coming from God's word or is that coming from this other source that I learned so long ago?

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And I just thought that was true, but it wasn't. It's like, there's a lot. I mean, I feel like your testimony is such an encouragement to me as a mom being saved, bringing up Christian children, that it's all

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God's sovereignty and everything is according to his will and he does it perfect. I know from not becoming a

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Christian until I was an adult, just I learned so much crap, so much untruth. And then that affects everything in how you live.

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You look back and you're like, well, gosh, if I would have got saved when I was this old, but that's not God's plan. It's definitely a blessing to be raised in a

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Christian home. But at the end of the day, I really do believe that it is people that know their doctrine and know their theology and aren't saved that is the hardest people group to reach because they know and their conscience

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I think has really been hardened. And we know that those who sit under teaching are going to receive a harsher judgment.

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So in that way, I raised my kids in the church, trusting

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God, but with trembling because they are going to hear something about Jesus from me every day and they are going to be discipled every day, whether they want it or not.

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And if they turn away from that, then they will receive a harsher punishment.

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And so I would just say like there were things that I had to overcome I feel like when you're raised in the faith and you have this theology, there's definitely an opportunity for you to have a kind of arrogance and hard heartedness toward truth that you maybe can't even recognize and see without the

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Lord being gracious and showing it to you. Right. Because it's like, oh, I know all the things I've heard it all.

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I can regurgitate it back to you. I've been hearing it for 32 years. There's not a heart change.

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Yeah, there's not a real understanding of who we are before God.

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I remember and I actually have been wanting to talk to your dad about this. I remember shortly after I got saved,

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I was reading a book. I don't even remember what the book was, but it just was one of those moments in my life where I felt like God just showed me who he was.

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It was talking about Matthew 5 when Jesus says, blessed are the poor in spirit and the word, and I'm going to check with your dad to make sure this is accurate.

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I'm not sure if this is accurate. Blessed are the poor in spirit. And it was talking about the

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Greek word for poor. There were two types of poor. There was one that would describe somebody maybe you would see out here, like on the street that had some earthly belongings like a backpack, maybe some waters or something.

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They had something, but the poor, the other word for poor that was used in the

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Greek meant completely destitute, without anything, like not even clothes.

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This person had nothing at all to give, only a hand out. And so that's how

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God sees us. We have nothing, but I didn't understand that.

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I always felt like, like you said, people are essentially good. They all have their own stories if you just give them a chance.

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And, you know, my salvation was this like synergetic, like I reached out and God heard me and, you know,

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I didn't understand, but then God really showed me like, you know, you have absolutely nothing to offer.

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Your works are nothing to me. It's only Christ's righteousness. So anyways, it's just, yeah.

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So I want to ask your dad about that. Yeah. Well, I think this is a good place to end.

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Thank you so much for coming on. It was fun. You guys are provokers. You need to come on again. I'm going to be bugging you to come on again.

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I mean, I've definitely said harsher things than I did this hour. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah. I didn't think anything was too harsh, but I just feel like our listeners are going to be so blessed and edified.

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We had fun. I know. I love it. And I love hanging out with you too. So can you tell our listeners, even though I feel like most of them that listen to ours probably listen to yours too, but just for the people who haven't like where they can find you.

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Yeah. Let's see. Well, we're Sheologians. We're on all the podcast platforms for the most part.

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We do a book club and bonus content at Patreon, and that's just patreon .com

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slash Sheologians. And then all of our stuff is at shopsheologians .com. Love it. That's pretty much it.

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Joy tweets sometimes. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to admit something super embarrassing.

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I really don't know how to use Twitter. Oh, I don't either. I just type in the box and push.

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At some point I signed up for a Twitter account a long time ago, and I just don't know how to re -sign in.

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I'm like, I'm 39. I should know how to do this. If you don't have to be on Twitter, just don't, but it's too late for me.

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I'm on Twitter. I really enjoy everything it says on there, but there's some of the stuff

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I'm like, I don't know how to, so this person's responding to this person, and when

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I click respond, it just wants to create a new tweet. I love that I know something you guys don't.

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But somehow I subscribe to you, Summer, because I get emails that say Summer tweets or something like that, and so I can kind of see it, but then

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I try to go click on it, and I'm like, eh, eh, eh, eh, old lady. I can't get on. I'm old lady on Instagram.

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I don't get Instagram. I'm pretty sure I have over 2 ,000 unread

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Instagram messages and notifications and requests because I don't get it. I'm too old for Instagram, but I understand

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Twitter. Twitter's a rowdy bunch. I like it over there. I do. That is what

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I like about it. I need to learn. Lively. Maybe I should get a tutorial. Someone just today was telling me what a horrible, awful jerk

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I am. It's just really invigorating every day. You're an apologian. We live for this stuff.

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We had another protester, I think, a couple weeks ago, and I wasn't there. I was at home with a sick baby or something.

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But I was talking to my husband, and I'm like, man, don't they know for apologians, this is like Christmas morning.

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Oh, yeah. We're like people licking our chops. They're hardly coming. You came to me?

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I don't even have to go find you. This is the best. We as apologians love to say.

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I had to stop my kids from going over there. I was like, no, leave them. Come on. Yeah. We need to go worship. Bless their hearts.

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All of them. You ladies are going to be at the Fight Laugh Feast conference. Yes. Oh, OK.

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I'm so excited. So you guys are talking. You're doing with Nancy Wilson and Rebecca Merkel, and you're doing diapers, dishes, and dominion.

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I can't wait to listen to this. It's going to be fun. Nancy is just, she's our mother in the face.

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I love her. I have to say this for accountability because we're going to be there, and I don't want to be a weirdo, so I'm just going to say this for accountability purposes.

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If you see me there, you need to say, OK, just remember when you see Nancy, reel it back because I feel like I'm going to be a weirdo to her because I really have been blessed by her work.

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So much of it, like I was just talking about, I wasn't saved until after I was married, so so much

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I've read all of her books. I love her podcasts, and I have been edified so much by her because she just breaks down how to be a

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Christian mom and a Christian wife, and she says it so simply. So I feel like I'm just going to be staring at her with oblivion.

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You know, the wonderful thing when I can tell you, I'm just like, I love you. I'm not weird.

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I'm not nervous. So the great thing about Nancy that I think will bless you is I don't think you can be awkward with her because she's so down to earth and humble and kind.

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And calm down people in the comments. We're not worshiping Nancy Wilson. No, but that'll be like, you worship

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Nancy. I also think it's very likely that she understands that right now she is filling a role that a lot of older women have kind of cast aside.

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She was saved as an adult as well. So I feel like she's very intimately aware that she's sort of filling that role for a lot of young ladies.

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We just praise God there's going to be more. In a few decades, there's going to be more Nancy Wilson.

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Her daughters are Rebecca and Rachel. Yeah, I'm sorry. Gosh, I love their books.

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Every time something comes up new, I'm like, oh, I've got to read that. And everyone, it's like, you would think because they're a part of the same family, there would be like overlap of like discussion, but there really isn't.

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It's like, it's all so good. So anyways, I'm so excited. I'm excited to hear your guys' talk. So, all right.

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