A Monologue on Being of Two Minds as a Christian

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Double-Mindedness and a Christian Worldview

What was it the Apostle James said the double-minded man is unstable in all of his ways. So we don't want to be double-minded men or women. We do not want to be Living in two different worlds and yet let's face it Many of us do many of us live in in two different worlds.

I'm sort of speaking to myself today but I have a feeling that I am speaking to a number of Folks who listen to this program regularly and what I mean by that is We live our lives. We as Christian believers we study the Word of God.

We Read the Word of God not merely to study a book of ancient texts but we believe that in The reading of those words in the hearing of the preaching of those words in the contemplation of those words meditation upon the principles Expressed by those words that we actually encounter God that God is speaking in accord with the highest views of Scripture expressed by not only the psalmist and passages like Psalm 119 but by New Testament writers as well by the Lord Jesus himself and We We read these words and we seek to make application of what we read and we seek to be Consistent in informing a worldview based upon the revelation of God we look for example at the Old Testament law and We attempt to derive An understanding of what is pleasing to God? from what is enunciated therein and we seek to have a deeper understanding of how we can ourselves be pleasing in our thoughts and our actions in our lives as We make application and Yet we all Live in this world and no matter how hard we might try to resist it the ways of thought of This world They impact us they influence us very very strongly.

Most people who know me know that I have a science background in college. I was a double major and single minor Bible biology and minor in Koine Greek and In high school, for example, I spent a lot of time in the sciences that was always a strong area for me whether it was biology or Any any of those fields about the only field in science?

That really wasn't my favorite was physics and chemistry probably mainly because of the mathematical elements of those but I really focused upon doing well in those areas. I remember as a sophomore in High school sitting in the I guess we called it.

What did we call that thing? It was the snack bar. That's right. Instead of the cafeteria was the snack bar. We had these Oh these incredibly disgusting bean burritos, I Guess it didn't taste really bad, but they looked really bad.

I mean, oh you you'd cut into them and what came out was worse than what we were doing in science class but anyways, and I would sit there with one of my science teachers and we would we would debate on the on the on creation and evolution and All things related there to sometimes branching off into ethics and morality and stuff like that.

But the reality is that I've been trained to think in scientific ways. Completing my major in biology and being department fellow anatomy and physiology and studying all the things you have to study to complete a major in biology and When we look at the world when I look at the world, I guess I should just talk to myself and see if what I experience Resonates with anybody in my audience today when I look at the world I find myself Struggling with double-mindedness what I mean by that is I Understand and I can't keep up as much as I used to but I still try to keep up with some advances in science and cosmology and things like that and and You know things happen.

For example the the earthquake in in Japan and I understand some elements of seismology and plate tectonics and and the things that result in 9 .0 earthquakes and what that can do and right now folks in along the Mississippi River are experiencing tremendous flooding because of snow and rain and the combination of those things and and Right now the the outbreak of storms in the middle of the United States middle and south United States Tornado alley I've seen tornadoes.

I lived in Minnesota and I Remember, it's one of the earliest memories of my life seeing one of those huge black funnel clouds not far away from the The the farm where I lived in outside of Minneapolis near the why Zeta for those of you in that area if you're familiar with that area and We think about what happened in Joplin and in other cities just for the past couple weeks and literally hundreds of people losing their lives f5 f5 category storms, just leaving a swath of Damage and you know, it is interesting how We get hit much more with this now than we did in the past everybody now gets to see Google Earth pictures Comparisons before and afters of what happened with the tsunami and What happened in Joplin and things like that and and it's brought much more close to us and when I think of Let's think about an f5 twister That produces 200 mile-an-hour winds and It's not just a straight-line wind power of a twister that is so destructive it is the changing of direction the changing of pressures That causes just such incredible destruction to man's rather flimsy structures no matter how well we build them and I Look at something like that and people ask the question where's God in all of this and I would imagine people are asking you that same type of question if you're a believer and you have you have professed your belief in the sovereignty of God and Even if you haven't talked about the sovereignty of God people ask the question.

Well, where was God in all of this? Can't God stop these things? Why did God make a world where where there are where there are hurricanes and tsunamis and Tornadoes and Maybe you like me Find yourself answering that question in two different ways the Scientific part of my mind Analyzes the situation and at this time of year you have strong temperature gradients developing between the passing of low temperature low pressure systems Where you have warm moist air to the south and and cold dry air to the north and I understand the mechanics of when those two Bodies of air crash into each other and the potential energy gradient that is produced it can produce wind and rain and hail and tornadoes and Today we have we have one fellow in in channel who's a real weather buff and I think it was last week or so when when we had a bunch of those really bad storms going every once in a while, he would pop into channel a URL that had a radar link and With with the kinds of Doppler radar that we have today.

You can eat the telltale curly cue signature of storms indicating a Hurricane, I'm sorry a tornado and We understand how those things work and there is a almost secular part of my mind that runs through the science and runs through the mechanics and runs through through the meteorological background and it joins with the scientific mindset that basically says well, you know what when you have a planet that is not all of one temperature and You have a Sun and you have different warming patterns and you have an atmosphere With various gases in it.

This is just gonna happen. It just happens and For a lot of folks in our world today. That's all you've got. You know, why did Joplin get nailed and why didn't it you know? I mean there are times you see pictures of this this swath that a tornado cuts through a Maybe cuts through a field or something like that a smaller one and you see it just miss a house.

Or you see it go through a neighborhood and it just destroys one house and a house right next to it's not even damaged and The secular mind says chance. It's random just happens. It's the way it is and as we've learned more and more about this you know, we hear all the time about how ancient man the men who wrote the Bible and things like that how How silly they were because they thought the gods were involved with this but but now we know why this happens well.

You know, we may know the mechanics. But we don't know why it touches down in one spot and the other and not another one we don't know that. You know, we've learned a lot of the mechanics of human reproduction and the development of the child in the womb.

We still have a lot of questions and and even once you figure out the mechanics does understand the mechanics mean you understand the design. Or the why or how this came into being? No in no way shape or form.

So part of me looks at something like what happened in Joplin and The other cities. Tuscaloosa, I think was was hit just recently and and You know this let's just stick with tornadoes for now and I worry about Forest fires and floods and earthquakes and and the rest like that and I look at those Situations.

I look at those Events and part of my mind goes well. That's just what it's like to live in this world, but then I read the scriptures. And the scriptures do not leave me with that kind of agnostic neutrality about events in time.

It's very very clear that the writers of scripture believe that God was behind the whirlwind and The rain and the drought and the flood The fire whatever it might be. The writers of scripture saw God's hand behind all of that and and if I really believe what scripture says That all things are created by Jesus and for Jesus and all things hold together in him as the courteous of all the world The Lord of all of time and the creator of all things.

Then I have to I have to put these things together and I I just wonder. You know we live in a day. I've mentioned it before we're surrounded by the data fog. We have such Access to information it comes at us so fast now.

I Mean it wasn't that long ago where it would have been. At least the next day we would have maybe been hearing something about a bad tornado. It wasn't that long ago before it would have been days before you've even heard about something.

You would have read about it in a newspaper there might have been a picture maybe now. While it's happening. You have full-color video and it has has shrunk the world a lot. And it's brought us right up to these things which we don't necessarily experience and I think there's a lot of people that just are starting to live a paranoid life because you see all these things happening around the world and it's rare for any one person to experience all of that in one life, and so we've got this stuff coming at us and We are we are going to process what we think of it one way or the other.

Unfortunately a lot at processing is done subconsciously. It's done at a not necessarily at the level of conscious decisions and and as a result we start responding to things and we find some dissonance a lack of harmony between our profession and how we actually think about things how we feel about things and I think it needs to be a matter of prayer and a matter of proclamation and a matter of teaching and a matter of consideration a truly Christian worldview a truly Christian way of thought.

Doesn't just happen overnight. I'm definitely showing that I'm not a second blessing Methodist in the sense that There might be some Who have the idea that well, you know, God just zaps you and boom, you know, that's that's just that's how it works.

My experience of the Christian life is that it is filled with labor and you need to have a goal and you need to have discipline and You need to expose yourself to the Word of God and you need to labor diligently to obtain those goals that are of.

They're precious to you and if they're not precious to you and I can ever really put out the labor to accomplish them I guess and so to be able to think in such a way it honors God and Think the way that Christ thought that always honored God it takes a lot of work takes a lot of time and and it takes a lot of thought and we are living in a day where You know if you say anything About the judgment of God.

You know that you're going to have a whole lot of people coming down on you like a ton of bricks. God doesn't bring judgment. No, no God doesn't now I think they're they have a have some self-interest and that most people do we all have that thing called a conscience.

But as soon as you mention anything about the judgment of God immediately somebody says no wait a minute. Are you telling me the people in Joplin, Missouri are any worse than the people in San Francisco?

San Francisco is a very convenient city to use if you want to see a place where. Wow, anyway If you talk about judgment, that's what people automatically assume you're saying. But what is the really really really wrong?

Unbiblical anti-christian assumption that lies underneath that objection the really really really wrong Anti-christian anti-biblical assumption. Is that there's anybody who is innocent in the sight of a holy God?

Anyone oh, well those folks down in Joplin are nice folks. I bet you they are. I Bet you they are but is anybody nice in comparison to the Holy God. So there was a day in our society where nobody flinched To talk about the judgment of God upon a nation and in fact When you go back not too long into the past when there would be great disaster, I mean there was a lot of discussion of the Civil war the war of northern aggression depending on which side line you're on Being a judgment of God upon this nation.

No one flinched at that because you see We hadn't been infected quite yet with a real real real deep and consistent case of secular humanism if we had a real biblical view of God's holiness and A real biblical view of man's sin.

We wouldn't have any problems Talking about the judgment of God and If we really had a biblical worldview wouldn't we see in each one of these instances every time? God allows one of these events to take place.

And yes, we understand the natural realm that causes these things. But it's a natural realm really an answer. If we had a biblical view We would not have any problem talking about the judgment of God and recognizing that in these things is a constant reminder from God.

That his wrath is suspended over unbelievers. We wouldn't have a problem with that. Now just one other thing. I just wanted to mention. I'm just throwing this out because I have a feeling I'm not the only one who thinks about these things.

And if I haven't been speaking to you, well, I apologize, but I have a feeling that there's at least enough people in the audience That are listening right now or listen to the podcast that I am talking to you.

And talking with you not at you. Because you feel the same tensions you feel the same stresses as you look at the world. But there is one other Area of this I wanted to address just just briefly and Then we'll start taking our phone calls at eight seven seven seven five three three four one dividing dot line via Skype.

We have one Skype call waiting and one regular call. Waiting and I don't think we could have two different topics than those two, but that's what the dividing line is all about when when we talk about a Category five tornado Touching down and just in such a way that you know, there are many times those tornadoes touchdown and they they destroy crops and you know wheat fields and cornfields and knock over trees, but don't hit anything else and Then they go up and they disappear and we don't say much about it.

Almost nobody says well, thank the Lord that it didn't do this out of the other thing. But when it hits In the middle of a populated area at night and brings such terror. Well, then we really we really give it consideration and When people say yeah, but it's it's just a natural Phenomenon.

Well, what are you gonna say the people who are trying to pick up their lives? If you view this as a merely natural phenomenon outside the control of God, what are you gonna say to him? You can't give them any why should they pray about tomorrow?

Why should they think God has a plan for the life? You didn't see that coming? There wasn't anything to do about it, or if he did see it coming I guess he couldn't warn to get out of the way or something.

I don't know. I mean it It does seem like a rather stark contrast either you'd be a consistent naturalistic materialist and be an atheist. Or you'd be a wholehearted Christian. I don't really see the middle ground having much of a Attraction to be perfectly honest with you but Once again When we think we understand the mechanics we understand cold fronts and we understand the the power dynamics involved in in heated air and moist air and dry air and cool cold air and and what happens up in the atmosphere and where hail is Developed and wind patterns and vortexes and all the rest of stuff.

We think we are so smart that because we know the mechanics. That somehow God is not behind the whirlwind any longer now, what's really interesting me is This following statement is a true statement the reason that The Tornado hit Joplin and didn't just miss Joplin.

Could very well be that two days earlier a a bird In a tree in Northern, California Took off to the north rather than the south. I'll let you think about that for a second. That's a true statement. Now you may go that's it's impossible.

What I'm referring to is the fractal nature of weather, this is a well-known fact. Some of you laugh at me because I like fractal art and I do fractal art and I don't do it as much as I used to but Some of you know, I've been doing it for a long long time and I've sort of studied fractal geometry and fractal Mathematics and chaos theory and things related to that and the reality is have you ever noticed?

That even with all of our satellites our computers We can't really predict the weather all that well. Yeah, sometimes we nail it. But it's a percentage thing and we you know, that's why there is a cone Around the probably the path of a hurricane because we just don't know and it's not because.

It's not because we don't have computer models and stuff like that. It's not because we can't see where the warm fronts are and the cold fronts are but the fact the matter is. Weather patterns are fractal.

That means that they are influenced by so many Tiny little influences and the tiniest little influence can have a huge impact. Just a few iterations of the equation down the road. So the wind pattern created by birds wings as it flies to the north rather than the south taking off from a branch of a tree.

Can literally be the tiny little factor that determines whether that tornado hits joplin or doesn't. Now, I think if you do a little reading you'll find out what i'm telling you is true. Fractal mathematics you change just the Tiniest little factor and the resultant graph that is the resultant image is massively different.

Because what you do the fractal is you you do what are called iterations. That is the computer runs the same mathematical formula literally thousands of times. And so if you change one little factor in that formula and then run it a thousand times.

All of a sudden you have a well completely different Outcome and that's how weather is. Now what does any of this have to do with my discussion? Well If if god is in control. If god has a purpose and any christian, well, I think well, okay any christian any biblically informed christian.

Knows that god says that the the very day and the hour of the death of his saints is in his hand. And there were some saints who passed away in joplin. I can guarantee you. So that means God's sovereign decree extended well Extended to the very direction that bird flew from that limb on that tree.

At the very time that that bird chose to take off because if it had taken off two seconds earlier or two seconds later Would have changed everything. That's incredible to me. That's amazing to me. Now I have a god big enough to handle that.

But a lot of folks who want to hand to man this huge mountain of autonomy and limit the extent of god's decree. Have a little problem with that. It's funny how a lot of people they they don't mind giving god sovereignty over the weather.

But don't don't give him sovereignty over me well. If god has sovereignty over the world, that means god has sovereignty over every little aspect of things and i'm, awful glad that he does because that means that when you talk to Those folks whose lives have been impacted you can talk to them about a god who has a purpose in those things.

And makes promises to them in the midst of those things not in ignorance of those things or powerlessness over those things. Well, just some thoughts. Don't know if anyone got anything out of that. But hey, that was where I was going today.

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John 10:34 and Psalm 82 in Reply to Jehovah’s Witnesses

Let's go over to the united kingdom. And james, may I say something to you, sir? I would like to apologize on behalf of of all The citizens the united states of america that we sent a representative over to your wonderful country.

Who does not understand how to stop making a toast in the middle? Of god save the queen.

Um britain accepts your apologies, mr. White, oh, thank you very much. What can we do for you? Um, yeah, it's hey again, um. Yeah, I was just um, i've recently i've been meeting with a jehovah's witnesses elba um.

And I I guess um, and I was listening to your greg stafford debate. And I was just wondering if you could provide a little. Honestly, i'm i'm still a little lost on john 10 34. Okay. So I just want you to walk me through what that's about.

Okay.

Yeah, I I wish we had these searchable. Um, I may need to track this down. I did an entire Um prbc sunday school class on john 10, uh and following I think shortly after that. Which would mean it'd be a while back.

I probably wouldn't be able to find it anymore. It's probably on a cassette tape someplace, but that's that'd be. There's something jamie needs to do. Hey jamie, uh, he'll be listening later on today going.

Oh great fine. The rookie gets to do it uh, we'll see if we can't track that down sometime, but um John 10 34. I I don't recall specifically um. The context in the stafford debate of of what uh, his assertions were on that.

Uh, because the the text is used I would say abused in two different ways. You have the mormon abuse of it and then you have the jehovah's witness abuse of it. Obviously if you're listening the stafford debate, it would be the jehovah's witness, uh abuse of it um, but um, and you know that greg stafford's no longer joe was witness, right?

Yeah, I um, I know that. Okay, I just want to make sure you're aware of that uh for those interested john chapter 10, uh. Beginning at uh verse 30 Jesus has just indicated the unity of the father and the son the salvation of all of god's people.

Uh that the father's great and all no one has ever snatched him out of the father's hand. I and the father we are one plural verb that is used there. And the jews picked up stones again to stone him jesus answered them.

I have shown you many good works in the father for which of them. Are you going to stone me? And the jews answered him it is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy because you being a man.

Make yourself god. And in response to that jesus answered them. Is it not written in your law? I said you are gods if you call them gods to whom the word of god came the scripture cannot be broken. Do you say of him whom the father consecrated and sent into the world you are blaspheming because I said I am the son of god.

If i'm not doing the works of my father and do not believe me. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me believe the works. You may know and understand that the father is in me and I am in the father again.

They sought to arrest him, but he escaped from their hands and so We just noticed because it rarely comes into consideration, but we just noticed that Jesus's concluding statement his summary of what his defense is meant to lead us to understand.

Is that he is doing the works of his father? If he's not then there's no reason to believe him. But if he is doing the works of his father, uh, then. Uh, they are to know and they are to understand. That the father is in me and I am in the father.

So whatever the relationship of son of god means. Uh, it is a unique relationship and I think this hearkens directly back to john chapter 5. And we'll hearken forward to john chapter 13. When jesus says i'm telling you, uh, so that when it does come to pass.

You may know and understand and believe that ego. I me I am he uh, just picking up some of the threads of themes in the context the gospel of john. The general discussion is normally focused upon the citation of psalm 82 6 which is found in John chapter 10 verse 34 is not written in your law.

I said You are gods and psalm 82 Is a judgment psalm and uh. It wasn't more than a year ago that. In fact, it's a bit less than that. I think well, I don't know I've had time passed so quickly, but I Both I and turret and fan put up some Blog articles that you might want to look up.

Uh, I would search on psalm 82 or something along those lines where we specifically dealt with Another take on these things. Uh, I would say more of a liberal take on these things. Uh that asserts that what we have here is a text promoting some form of polytheism or god Uh who lives in a council of gods and there are these Exalted divine beings and things like that almost any modern commentary that you read is going to uh Take that perspective.

That is psalm 82 1 god has taken his place in the divine council in the midst of the gods he holds judgment and so Uh, they the first thing that modern old testament scholarship does is assume the disunity Of the canon of scripture assume a different view of scripture than jesus himself held.

And so they're going to say ah, this is parallel to the uh, the various of the canaanite religions uh, or other world religions where you have a Henotheistic system where you have a major god in the midst of minor gods and that's what uh, Uh god here is elohim has taken his place in divine counsel in the midst of the gods.

He holds judgment. And Then you read what he says and I have a problem that's why I have a problem with that interpretation. How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Well, obviously then you would have to have some concept here of the gods.

Having some kind of influence upon what takes place on earth. Which is not a consistent biblical perspective. These are people who are judging unjustly. They're showing partiality to the wicked. And then they are commanded give justice to the weak and the fatherless maintain the right of the afflicted and destitute rescue the weak.

And the needy deliver them from the hand of the wicked. Well to whom are those words addressed? I don't think there's any question uh, not only can we find direct biblical evidence in the law that these are addressed to the judges of israel, but Many of the minor prophets this is their theme.

This is the theme that they developed that this is not what's been going on amongst the people of israel. And when justice is not done the very foundations of the of the earth tremble. Because what is the foundation of yahweh's throne?

It is justice itself. They have neither knowledge or understanding they walk about in darkness. All the foundations of the earth are shaken and it is in that context then we say I said you are god's sons the most high all of you.

Nevertheless like men you shall die and fall like any prince. And so you have the exalted status of the judges of israel. They are put in the very place of god. They are given the word of god and they are tasked with the the judgment of the truth of god.

And yet they are doing so with partiality therefore the foundations of the earth tremble. I said you are god's sons the most high all of you nevertheless. You shall die like men and fall like any of the princes arise.

Oh god judge the earth for you shall inherit all the nations the final plea for god to bring judgment. So that's a very very very quick run through psalm 82, but the point is that uh, who is being addressed in psalm 82 are the unrighteous judges of israel and I think jesus Knew psalm 82 as well as anybody else because of course um He is via the holy spirit the very mechanism by which that uh, Scripture came into existence.

And so I believe when it says if he called them gods to whom the word of god came. Well, who is that? Uh. You'd either have to take it the sense of to whom the word of god came as in the the prophets who received the word Of god, but they weren't they weren't given the job of judging.

I I think the way to understand to whom the word of god came is that The word of god was given in a special way via moses to the judges and they were entrusted with the keeping of it The teaching of it and the application of it.

And so if he called them gods To whom the word of god came and the scripture cannot be broken. That is the abiding reality of scripture the abiding authority of scripture remains intact. That's certainly jesus's view.

Then in light of that do you? Say of him. Third person. Oh jesus referring to himself. Do you say of him whom the father consecrated? Set apart made holy and sent into the world. You are blaspheming because I said I am the son of god now.

It's interesting to note That jesus is not lessening Their statement son of god is a claimed deity very clearly in john. That's the case. John 19 We have a law by law. He had to die john chapter 5. Uh, the fact that jesus can interchange their accusation with son of god.

Uh, and that he accepts this as being the inevitable result of what he claimed about his oneness with the father in the salvation Of god's people shows that son of god is not some lesser concept in the sense of a a title of non-divinity.

Especially in light of the fact that in john jesus is the monogamy suyas the unique one-of-a-kind son. Uh, not just one son amongst many sons, etc, etc. And so what I see in john 10 34 is An argument that involves the application to his accusers Of a text that they interpreted as being about unrighteous human judges hence identifying them as unrighteous human judges Who had just given?

Uh in their own words a very uh errant. Uh judicial interpretation because jesus had asked him he asked him a a judicial question. He said for which of these good works are you going to stone me? And their their judicial answer because they're taking up stones they're taking just just judgment in their hands.

And so their judicial answer as judges is it is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy. Because you being a man make yourself god. And so here they are about to stone the son of god.

And jesus identifies them as The unrighteous judges the false judges that they clearly are. Uh in light of their own judicial announcement and so.

That's my understanding of the text. How about you. Yeah, thanks, um, yeah, that's helpful it seems to kind of. Don't know the argument they're making. Seems to be it seems to lose a lot of weight once you read the context around the verse.

But from what i've experienced so far, um, jehovah's witnesses and context don't go together very well.

Well that unfortunately, I would I would have to say that almost all bible readers worldwide context in the bible don't go real people people do a lot of proof texting and Especially with a text like this.

Not only do you need to see the immediate context? You need to see the themes in john. You need to know the background in psalm 82. Yeah, it's uh,. But you know when you can explain that to somebody and walk through it with someone.

It can have some some real impact and real effect upon them. So by the way, don't get in don't get discouraged um. If you do not see and normally The jehovah's witnesses go in pairs is are you talking to one alone or is there more than one one alone?

Yeah, okay. You might get more reaction out of someone like that, but you got to realize these folks have been trained that to think that um. We are all part of babylon mystery religion. And even if you quote unquote score a point that is you really make a clear point that they they don't know how to answer.

Rare is the jehovah's witness who is going to express that to you um. You know, you just don't don't be don't be discouraged as long as they keep listening. And you don't feel like you're just completely spinning your wheels.

You don't know what kind of long-term impact you can be having. So be encouraged.

Yeah, actually, um I'm i'm kind of meeting with two separate ones at the moment and one is. And it's just it seems to be hitting a wall with him, right? But there's another guy who's sort of an immigrant to this country and i've been sort of Talking with him a bit and actually seem to be actually making some headway.

Good good. Well, just just be aware that if he expresses that you're making headway at the kingdom hall. You may not be seeing him again. Uh, yeah. He hasn't been returning my calls recently. Yeah. Yeah, that's unfortunate.

But that's why you've got to you got to make an impact while you can so. Hey, james got lots of other callers appreciate your phone call today. Thank you, and god bless you over there in the united kingdom.

All righty. Bye. Bye. Eight seven seven seven five three three three four one. Let's uh talk to uh, it's it's james day on the dividing line. Uh, but this is on the other side of the planet in california.