Matt Slick Discussion on New Apostolic Reformation

I think I don't plug that one, maybe turn that on. We should be good. Is it green light on? We need a headset. What's that? We need a headset. Oh, for YouTube. We'll have to use, you can use this microphone.

On here. I just, I don't know. I don't know why I don't have it all. I need to buy a Mac. I have to go to the station. We've got a lot of people working things. One person's in charge of stuff. So they can hear me on that.

This is for coming in. That's not for anything but a video camera. All right. Let's just work it. A what? Oh, that's not me. I'm not stupid. All right. Let's get started. All right. All right. Let's just jump in.

Jesus, we ask that you be with us. Look at this movement that is huge. And we ask that you be with us as we take this So first, All right. A lot of people wanted to have a lot of work on the NAR. That's just the nature of being an apologist.

Doing everything that I do. And finally, I needed to get into NAR. And so a couple weeks ago, a friend of mine and I drove down to Red Lake, California and went to Bill Johnson's church. Bethel church.

And we were there for a couple, three days. And went to the church, checked it out. And bought some books. I've got them right here in the back. I haven't even gone through them yet. I can do searches inside of books.

I've been actually reading through the books. And I'll tell you quite a bit of what they say. I really like it. And we'll talk about some of that. But then we'll be talking about some of the others. So let me tell you what the NAR basically is.

Versus on the Bible. Really quickly. And because we remain to where it is I'm talking about. Now, I've got some solid information. Officially, so to speak, officially, it began in 2001. And C. Peter Wagner is he was, he passed away in October of 2016.

He is or was the leading prophet or to be clear, the apostle of this new movement that the NAR for short is claiming is occurring in the Christian church. Basically what they're saying is the offices of apostle and prophet are restored to the church today.

And that's the fivefold ministry. And that what is necessary is for the Christian churches to come under the headship and alignment that prophets both get revelation from God. The prophets more so. And the prophets give revelation to the apostles and the apostles.

The apostles then decide what to do with it. But the apostles can also get revelatory knowledge from God. So, what they're talking about is a movement and there's a seven hills movement. We'll get into that another time.

But it has to do with seven facets of culture. Trying to look at it as entertainment and social and politics and whatever. And they want to take everything over. Now, I like the idea of trying to take the world over for Jesus.

I have no problem with trying to move into the area of trying to get the entertainment industry to be more Christian. To get politics to be more Christian. I have no problem with that. Social structure of education.

To have it be more Christian. Now, some people may hear me say we don't want that. We don't want a Christian-based area. Because true Christians are going to want integrity. They're not going to want wine and stealing.

We want Christians to be running things because true Christians are going to be people who are going to put others first. Not Ravenclaw. It's the landscape. And just do hostile takeovers. That's not Christian.

But everybody knows this kind of stuff. So, their movement is very good in that way. In that their goal is to be very outreach. Outgoing. That's fine. But what they're doing is with this apostolic reclamation.

I'm going to go through some of the quotes that I have. I have eight pages. And that's just because I'm reading through it. The problem is I don't want to just find something else. The NAR has to have somebody in it.

And they just say, I need to go find the documentation and recontext. It's a very slow process. So I'm doing this. I have heard some things. And so I'll go and I'll check out the source. And I'll verify.

I did that yesterday, as a matter of fact. I got this one book. And Bill Johnson is co-authoring. And I downloaded it. I was going through a certain quote. Sure enough, there was that quote. I was reading before and after this quote.

And it comes and I say, alright, this is what we're looking at. But then I started reading in the book in some other areas. And it's just amazingly bad is some of the stuff it said. I mean, seriously.

And so I'm trying to always get this information as after as possible. I don't want to just jump on the bandwagon to end the NAR's evil. Et cetera, et cetera. Maybe it's good. Maybe it's not good. I want to know what they teach from original sources.

A lot of what I've seen people ask is, salvation by grace. We should be people of integrity. Increasing the sanctification. We should be involved in the culture. We should be making disciples of people.

We should be expanding. No problem with any of that. The problem, however, is in this issue of the apostles as an office that's restored and they get revelation from God. Let me tell you something. Here's a rule.

Not many people know this rule. But it is a rule of fact. If you want to mess something up, all you need is two things. People and time. That's it. If you want to mess it up, you just need people and time.

So what's the best way not to mess it up? Have your nose in here. I had someone give me a very good comment today. We were talking in the office. And this guy said, I know we disagree on a lot of stuff.

And he said, you always are looking at the word of God as a standard. Now that one, for me, that's a huge compliment. I want to be known as someone who's, what does this say? What does this say? And if I can understand this better, people will come up with it.

As long as it agrees with this. That's how it has to be in every person's life. Because I am a non-cessationist. This adds a little bit of a layer. Cessationism is the view that all charismatic gifts have stopped.

With the definitive process, with completion of the canon, depending on the view. Back in the first century, they stopped. I agree with that. And I disagree with that based on extra-general reasons. 1 Corinthians 1 -7.

It's that you, speaking of the church, everyone everywhere called upon the name of the Lord. And it says that you will not lack any charisma while you're waiting for the return of Jesus. Any charismatic gift.

Any. That right there proves to me that the charismatic gift does not cease. Now there are different interpretations of that. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. But this is my position.

Now if you disagree, that's okay. But I'm just telling you this is my position. Because of this, I believe in word of knowledge. Word of wisdom. I believe in people having a better ability to pray and heal than other people.

I don't, for clarification purposes, I do not believe that a single person has the office of healer. I don't believe that. That's more of an apostolic kind of thing. Even then, the apostles couldn't do everything.

And even Jesus and the Lentic are famous for weeping. So I believe they can still have that. I don't believe they're normative. I don't believe they can play with the church. I also believe that there's a lot of people that just mistakenly assume that all this stuff is okay.

A discordant kind of whack of this is the case. Can you raise the camera up? You're only supposed to have it at eye level. Can you do that right there? So I should be able to hold it. So this is what I believe.

Whether or not you agree with me, that's okay. That's okay if you agree. It's all right. But the issue here is, where's the new apostolic information teaching? So what I'm going to do, some of my quotes, what I'm going to be doing is releasing this as an article.

And I'm only through, and this isn't even all of it. What I did yesterday and today was assemble some of the quotes and some of the information out of the many things I've been gathering and put some of the better stuff, so to speak, in here.

I'm going to be releasing quotes from different topics on different things so that other researchers can know exactly where to go to see the same quotes in groups and various other things so people can find exactly what this was for.

I'm going to let them speak. As they say, and you'll get a view of what's going on. Just so you know, there's no one official statement of faith for the NAR. There's no one official. There's a lot of people who believe different things inside the NAR.

A lot of people may be more charismatic than others. You could even have some reformed people. You could have some more meaningful people in the religion. You could have all kinds of people who get on the NAR.

Which is basically this. That of all the offices of the church, for example, and that they're adhering to and that we are to come under subjection and teaching of those apostles and of those prophets in various areas.

Now, this is a very simplified view of it, but I want to give you a basic idea of what it is that they're teaching. That's where I'm from. So, as you can tell, I want to tell you this. The one idea that I ended up with was this sheet, New Testament Usage.

I found every single New Testament Usage. What I did was I had them released it as an article. So, you see, it's 119 verses on prophet. And I think it's like 70-something, probably. Every single one of them listed.

And then what I did was, at the top of the article, I categorized them. I went through every single verse. I'll hand this out later. I don't want to do it now because I want you to pay attention to what I'm saying.

And we'll get this out. But I have the original 12 apostles, general information, apostles, a listing of them, apostles and elders, requirements to be false apostles, and things like that. And then there's a prophet's old testament.

And then prophets. Anyway, I have it all categorized in different stuff. I want to know what God's Word says. Because if I'm going to be looking at the NAR, what I want to find out is, well, what does God say?

I want to know if what they're saying about apostles and prophets in the New Testament are true. One of the things that I was surprised at, honestly, there are New Testament prophets. In the church, apostles actually talk about them in the New Testament context.

Are they for today? That's another topic. We'll get into that. And I have to mention Jesus in a broader topic. But I want you to know, I'm doing my homework. This will be the first presentation I've done on NAR.

I've put in many, many, many hours on this. And I thought it would be good to go over some of this stuff. All right. Having said all of that, apostles and disciples is my category. This is from the ICAleaders .com.

The ICAleaders .com is a group of over 400 apostles under an organizational headship that they've assigned and agree in certain basic beliefs. And they are under that system, so to speak. Oh, incidentally, I've heard the number of members in this group is 360 million people.

And next year, Columbia, there's South America. The biggest one is in Oklahoma. They've got it in Asia. They've got it in America. They've got it in Canada. Africa. The church has 20 ,000, 50 ,000 members.

And they're huge, huge groups of people. They love Benny Hinn. He's a flaming heretic. I mean, I'm surprised the guy didn't pop into Ignatius. He's a flaming heretic. Or he's walking around getting more friction on the road.

He's bad. I'll do a video on these guys sometime. It would be good for me to do that when these heretic black holes are changing. And I mean heretic black holes. But BNAR basically accepts these people as truly the denominator and they are.

Clearly, it's spoken of in Scripture. I see Noah as Jesus and anything I've read about anything from them in the many, many, many hours I've been reading and studying, going through different books, underlining stuff, going through it over and over and over.

Not a single thing is defended by what the pastors know. And so the NAR is blowing it right there because the Bible says, you know, 1 Timothy 2, 12 and 13. I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man.

That's what Adam was first created in 1 Timothy 3, 15. Or 1 Timothy 3, 15. The next chapter also says, I'm giving you instruction on how to behave in the household of God. You go to Titus chapter 1, verses 5 -7.

You go to 1 Timothy chapter 3, verses 1 -6. It talks in there about the elders. I mean, yes, BNAR has an error. And then it says, the man of one, 1 Timothy 5, 17. For that, it talks there about the elders who receive honor, especially those who work hard at preaching.

And teaching. So by definition, a preacher, a pastor, is an elder. The elders being a man of one woman, literally, in the Greek. A man of one woman. A woman that's to have exercise authority over a man of the church.

I'm having some of the blessed Paul's opinions notified by the author. It's just his opinion. So your opinion is greater than Paul the Apostle? Well, I'm saying Paul the Spirit. This is the kind of stuff that's going on.

The ABC of this is the thing that's going on in the Christian church. So, you commit disciples and commission apostles as you see it. That's the Greek word for power. It is the right to power or authority.

He is one commission and authorized to fully represent the sender. He represents in this person the one who commissioned him. So they're saying the Apostle represents the one sending him. That means Jesus is sending the Apostle.

So now the Apostle represents Jesus. Now you're sitting in a congregation listening to this. This guy says he's an Apostle. And he represents Jesus. The psychological damage that can be done by someone in that position.

The Apostle has to give us the form of the New Testament. The Apostle is the Hebrew Shiliac that provides the content. This is Apostles and Prophets. Check this out. This is by C. Peter Wagner. If a church has Jesus without Apostles and Prophets, it has no foundation from which to initiate solubility.

It just has Jesus. But it has no foundation. If it just has Jesus, it doesn't have a foundation from which to initiate solubility. Jesus isn't enough. Obviously, this is a problem. Or, let's go down to this.

It's official. This is by C. Peter Wagner. Recognition of the Apostles and Prophets has become official. In January 2004, Stratton Communications convened a consultation of 50 to 60 high-level Pentecostal, Charismatic, and Apostolic leaders to discuss the issue.

The forthcoming Orlando statement says, quote, "...we affirm that there is an ongoing post-New Testament activity of the Great Samantha of 1 Corinthians 12, as well as the ministries of pastor, teacher, evangelist described in Ephesians 4.

Therefore, it is actually probable that we affirm the ongoing post-New Testament activity of Apostles and Prophets.". How about this? I don't need all the quotes. Locations will be released on my site later.

Anyway, the second apostolic age is a phenomenon of the 21st century. My studies indicate that it began around the year 2001. I think it was space odyssey in 1922. So, we have a quote from Andrew in his essay, Cessation History.

So, I'm going to use this to consult him. Cessation of Miracles is a doctrine implied by the mind of man created to comply with the belief that the season of forever and ever no longer exists. So, there, this is just not true.

Cessationism is not a doctrine implied by man. It's merely a mind of man. It's a godly people who go into the scriptures, and they conclude that. Nevertheless, how about this? So, we are now living in the midst of one of the most ethical changes in the structure of a church that has ever been recorded as a major event.

We're now living in the midst of one of the most ethical changes in the structure of the church. It's funny, when I go to pastoral epistles of Fr. Timothy, you know, just reading through what Paul says, he tells us how the church is supposed to be ordered.

And folks, just so you know, it's Presbyterian, because it's the word Presbyteros in the Greek, the rulership of elders in the church, almost giving instruction to national folks. It's eldership rule.

That's what Paul says. I don't think we're going to just spin a copy of that right now and say, Matt, you know what you're talking about. Let's debate it. Alright. So, the point is, God has set up in the scriptures his church system, and yet there's supposed to be the most ethical change coming our way.

But, the pastoral epistles aren't good enough. I can just see people going, yeah! Big change is coming! New truth coming! New revelations! We have new apostles! Yeah! I saw a video that made some sense, because I know I'm doing this research, and they said that he was a Kung Fu evangelist, or something.

And they had some guy in Africa, he was standing with his buddy, and he goes, oh, my God! You know, 50 feet away, the guy goes, oh, my God! And he gets up again and calls back. And then, these videos, you know, I watched, you know, people are debating it, and it was this beautiful moon like that.

People fall down and all this stupidity. And, well, I sent you the video, there's one more guy, all over the floor, and it's his phone rings. And he just stops immediately and says, I'm at church! And he goes, oh, wait, he goes right back.

I'm always really happy. I don't know what you're talking about. But he did a Kung Fu something. I'm trying to get it back on the screen. Okay, I remember. Okay. So, I went up at one of these charismatic churches once, to be slain in the spirit.

This was soon after I was starting to study apologetics. I was in my early 20s. And it was across the street from Disneyland at Melodyland School or something. It's no longer there. It's on Harvard Boulevard.

And I went there. There was a big church, and it's this kind of a deep area, central stage. Friend, do you want to be slain in the spirit? Come on down. Okay. I want to be. If it's real, I'm going to go.

Because he's God. So a bunch of us got up here. A bunch of us got up there. And the priest goes, what do you see? And he gets a sense for it. It's this issue of don't use your mind, use your heart. The Bible says the heart says, Romans 12, 2, 3, be transformed by the work of your mind.

And Jesus, when he quoted, that's in Exodus 26, 4, the next verse, Romans 6, 5, it says, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and strength. When he quoted that, in Matthew 22, verse 7, Jesus changed one word, strength, to mind.

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and strength. We have an intellectual religion. It's not only religion. It's all what we are. But God wants you to think. So if someone's saying, don't think, or speak in such a way, where the idea of thinking is kind of not a good thing, they want you to feel, that's generally a bad thing.

So St. Peter Wagner says, I now believe that it's possible to live without sin one day at a time. Maybe if you're in a cold at night, even then, when your ancestors send you, they don't say they want you to spend five minutes with me.

I'll get you to sin. I mean, I can see them. Why does he keep telling you to sin? No, because I've sinned bad. And he's really nice. He's a strong person. So, Bill Johnson says, when Jesus said, freely you receive, freely you give, what requires giving?

For God's love will be given unto you, while I believe you give primarily to the release of the Holy Spirit. He doesn't go blind to anything he has given us. I underline this because it is an exegetic occurrence.

People say things that sound good, but are they? The most exciting time in life, in the life of the Church, is when Jesus moves through you. That's what I would think. Because the Holy Spirit very clearly said, Jesus, John 14, 26, John 15.

These are subtle things. This is what Bill Johnson says, please note that I emphasize, living aware of the Holy Spirit in and upon me, more than abroad, and more than in the world, and more than in the world,.

In other words, I'm not just looking for a doctrinal statement to make me feel better in a situation. I'm looking for him, the person of the Holy Spirit, the one who gives all safety, victory, and joy, who continually positions me for triumph, to the glory of Jesus.

This reminds me of the apparitions of themselves because this is what Jesus wants to help see. Now this is subjective, but I'm looking for him. So, as I unheard and started to work on this book, 100 Truths About Jesus, and when I do my devotions, I make notes of the things I found about Jesus.

First of all, Jesus is a God. He's a calm God. He's a man. He survives forever. Jesus died and rose from the dead. He's crucified. He's ransomed for many. He's sanctified. Jesus is the giver and keeper of covenant.

Jesus draws all that unto himself. Jesus judges. Jesus is the apostle and high priest of our confession. Then I have a bunch of my own statements. I am the bread, the door, the good shepherd, the way, the truth, the life, the light of the world, the truth, the law, the resurrection, the life, the first and the last.

Did you know that Jesus received honor and glory from the Father? Did you know that Jesus is the very witness of himself, the Father is the very witness of himself, the Holy Spirit is the very witness of Jesus, the multitude is the very witness of Jesus, the prophets are the very witness of Jesus, the scriptures are the very witness of Jesus, the disciples are the very witness of Jesus, the Father will honor us if we serve Jesus.

The Father wants us to fellowship with Jesus. The Father tells us to listen to Jesus. Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Jesus. Jesus is honored, the same as the Father. Jesus reveals to the Father.

Jesus has explained to the Father. The Father draws us to Jesus. Jesus. Jesus says in John 5 39, in the search of Scripture, because in him we think every term of life. It's not the Holy Spirit we're recently seeing.

It's Jesus. Now, it's not to say you can't pray the Holy Spirit. It's not to say heal. We can do that. There's nothing wrong with seeking the Holy Spirit in that sense. It's just that Jesus should be primary.

That's the issue. The scriptures are about him. Everything's about him. The primary job of the Holy Spirit is the very witness of Jesus. So, if they have the Holy Spirit truly in their work, you'd think that their main emphasis would be the exaltation, the elevation of the personal glory of Jesus.

It's not the experience of raising the dead. Even though that's a great thing. Or speaking in tongues, which I think is a fine thing. Done under proper circumstances and proper order. It's just something's not right.

You know, I can't quite figure out if something's just not right. Well, we get that sense and part of the reason is because, well, if you're not talking about Jesus, you're talking about Jesus and or something and Jesus.

Jesus and or something and Jesus. And it should be just Jesus. As we should be. And what Jesus tells us about other things, what we listen to. That's why I wanted to bring that to your attention. That's how things go on.

Okay, so, the most exciting time in the life of the church is when the Holy Spirit begins to look for him. He's looking for him in the person of the Holy Spirit. Do you think you're thinking, no, it's just not quite right.

It's like a former apostle opening the groove. Now, maybe, again, Bill Johnson rightfully denounces cultic meditation for people to have in their minds. That's a good thing. Prophecy. All contemporary Holy Spirit I'm going to call myself that.

All contemporary Holy Spirit filled believers are able to prophesy by faith and can learn the ways that God speaks as well as increase in the ability to prophesy. In a sense, this means everyone has the privilege and obligation to hear from God for themselves.

Realize this. I can tell you, there's been three instances in my life where I've heard someone speak from God. Not an audible voice. The first one was when I was saved. He was there. I'm going to have to put this in here in my research as a testimony.

I know what it means to be in the presence of the Lord. The second one was when he, for the one time in my heart, my mind, I've been praying and praying and praying and praying. The Lord used me. Over and over and over.

Hour after hour. Day after day. Week after week. Constantly. Used me, used me, used me. Constantly. Driving up the road. In the shower. Eating. New York. Burdens. Desire. Constantly. I can tell you where I was standing when I heard him say what do you want?

And I was stunned because it was him. And I said I want to be used by you. To bring as many people into the kingdom as possible. I heard the second question. Early in the morning. Late in the morning.

And I said late in the night. Soon after that, I'll tell you what the third one was. Soon after that, what I did was I took a piece of paper. 8 x 9 x 11. A sheet of paper. No lines. Nothing. I still had it.

I put the date at the top. And I signed it. I said Lord this is my contract. It doesn't matter what you fill it in as. This is where I'm working. I put it in the picture frame. It wasn't buried. And I just said I don't care.

I don't care what you put in here. It's a symbol for me. And that's what I did. And then it's like I'm in seminary. The last year of seminary is just out of seminary. I was complaining. I was on my knees talking to the Lord.

I've done this for you. I've done that. So stupid. And the why have you not opened the doors? Why have you done this? Why have you not done that? And I heard that voice again. You signed a contract. I can tell you everything about where I was.

One of those things. That's him saying. That's him reminding me. And I said but, yes, but, but, but, but. He signed this contract. I said yes, but, but, but. I don't want to take it back. No, I don't want to take it back.

It was just a weird thing. I just didn't know what to do. And he said when did you sign it? And that was the last I heard from him. When did you sign it? So I didn't know where that thing was. So I got up.

Some boxes. Rubbish through this. Rubbish through that. Went over here and over there. Oh, there it is. And it was 7 days of the day that I signed it. Put it back. Went to my knees. And repented. I used to hear the voice of God in that sense.

Not like that. Not like that. So I'm familiar with the carriage model. I'm familiar with that presence. I don't have any problem. And I know a lot of reform people are really mad at me. I don't get a flight.

I said, why would you think in scripture? You can tell me in scripture. And you can't do it by presupposing cessation isn't going to work. It's not going to work. I'm convinced it's still there. But I don't know whether it's not.

I'm not making it up. I've got experience. But I want the NAR people, the adherents, the charismatic people to decide. I want to know. I know. I understand. I can tell you about the time I prophesied.

I can tell you about the time when God gave me a word of knowledge. I understand why these people want what they want. I understand. I understand what I've experienced. Because after the initial movement of the Holy Spirit, I was brought to repentance.

I saw tears on my knees. And Jesus was just concerned. I was aware of it. And I still remember it. And he stepped into me. My sin left, I would say. I'll give you a short version. I went to the heart of that day the day I buried my son.

I know what it means. I understand these things. I understand that it's every year, after year, after year, after year. What I did was I kept cutting that initial experience and not wanting it again. I can tell you, I remember various places where I prayed.

But when I wanted it again, I wanted it again. I wanted it again. I wanted a certain job. And I realized God's not going to give it to me again. I'm looking to experience. So we have that for a reason.

Because when we do experience, that is our fault. That is our draw. We want experience to guide us. We want feelings to lead us. We want those things that draw us. Because we don't know how to use our minds very well.

But it's easy to submit your feelings. And we know, don't we, how many times our feelings have misled us. And have deceived us. So they have the obligation to hear from God for themselves. Heard from God, I believe it was hearing from Him.

It's very frequent. It's memorable. We hear things happen in Scripture like this. Impossible to happen. Not impossible. But things happen. We see it in the Old Testament. We see it in the New Testament.

The thing I'm saying is I'm difficult to submit the Word of God to any experience, no matter how powerful it is. It's always the Word of God for any experience, any, every time. It ought to be. That's how it has to be.

And I examine these things every which way. As I've looked at the Word of God over 37 years of examining everything I can get my hands on. I'm not a cessationist. Those NAR people, those who are charismatic, those who believe in this stuff, I want you to understand.

I understand. I also want you to understand the Word of God is primary. If you don't trust the Word of God, you're going to be led astray. And what I'm reading here, I'm going to read you some more stuff.

Here's some more stuff. That's just ridiculous. Mel Johnson said,. But that is not necessarily true. Now, right here, you know something's wrong. Many think that a false prophet is uncovered when a prophetic word is inaccurate.

But that is not necessarily true. This is in his book, Experience the Impossible, Simple Way to Unleash Heaven's Power on Earth. Page 1, page 40. Many think that a false prophet is uncovered when a prophetic word is inaccurate.

But that is not necessarily true. Study the prophecies of Agabus. In the book of Acts, he was a true prophet of God as acknowledged by the Holy Spirit. But not all the details of his work are correct.

So he mentions specifically Agabus. So what did I get? Acts 11 .27 -30. Now, at this time, some prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch. One of them named Agabus stood up and began to indicate by the Spirit that there would certainly be a great famine all over the world.

And this took place in the reign of God and in the proportion that any of the disciples had means. Each of them determined to send contributions, etc., etc. It took place. Right? So Bill, how about this one?

This is, there's something about Agabus. I thought I had it in this book. Agabus says that the Jews will bind Paul. It was actually the Romans, the instigation act. So shall the Jews bind the man who owns his belt.

It wasn't the Jews who did it. It was the Romans. I was thinking maybe Bill Johnson was referring to that. It wasn't exactly accurate. Study it. Acts 2 .22. Men of Israel, listen to these words. Jesus, the Nazarene man, attested to you by God in miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him in your midst, just as you yourself have done.

But this man delivered it over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God. You nailed to the cross by the hands of godless men and put him to death. So he's saying, the Jews, you nailed him to the cross by using mail.

He's going home with Agabus. The Jews, you're the one binding him because you're the one sending him. You're the one doing this stuff. And that's the instrument of somebody else. It's really consistent.

Bill Johnson's wrong. And I believe that the reason he's saying this is because he knows that these prophets are making false prophecies. And he's trying to cover his traps. I've got all the documentation that he says is 80 inaccurate.

I need that. I will be all over that monkey in a decade. I need that. Revivals never start with the watchdog. So he's aware that there are people who are saying, well, we're watching. We're seeing. We're doing everything in Scripture.

Revivals never start with the watchdog. He also says, the number of conversions in this hour are staggering. The sheer numbers of people being raised from the dead are beyond comprehension of people being raised from the dead.

I mean, it's nothing I want to test scientifically, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, I don't think it's a problem. I don't think it can happen. I don't think it can happen. I think it's 17 million visitors a year.

Thousands of emails. 18 ,000 emails. The concern of something not being biblical takes center stage as we try to eat the meat and throw it at the bones. So something not being biblical takes center stage.

I think that's pretty important. I think that's pretty serious. We all tend to interpret what is before us by our knowledge of Scripture. Learned from our own history, the problem is that we will all have a little bit of knowledge that is closer to the truth.

Some go into fear mode, thinking that emotional experiences are in excess, and that excess is our greatest danger. It is true that emotionalism has caused problems for the Church throughout history, but extreme emotionalism is in the spot.

Rather, the quiet unbelief and resistance from the skeptic is a far greater enemy. It is a powerful deceiver because it has become accepted in most of the world's Church culture as wisdom and spiritual intelligence.

You notice what he's saying? Don't really cross-examine the English Scripture. That's the end. One of the primary issues that Jesus had with the scribes and the pharisees was their approach to the Scriptures.

They were very learned by the educational standards around them. They could quote, recite, and teach others the commands of God along with the commands they created from what they thought God wanted, but they could not do what they taught others to do.