March 23, 2016 Show with Mark Crutcher & Clenard Childress on “Abortion: Black Genocide in the 21st Century”

Live from the historic parsonage of 19th century gospel minister George Norcross in downtown

Carlisle, Pennsylvania, it's Iron Sharpens Iron, a radio

platform on which pastors, Christian scholars and theologians address the burning issues

facing the church and the world today.

Proverbs 27 verse 17 tells us, iron sharpens iron, so one

man sharpens another.

Matthew Henry said that in this passage, quote, we are cautioned to take heed whom we

converse with and directed to have in view in conversation to make one another

wiser and better.

It is our hope that this goal will be accomplished over the next hour and we hope to hear

from you, the listener, with your own questions.

Now here's our host, Chris Arnson.

Good afternoon Cumberland County, Pennsylvania and the rest of humanity who are living on the planet

earth listening via live streaming.

This is Chris Arnson, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron wishing you all a happy Wednesday on

this 23rd day of March 2016 and I'm so delighted to finally have

on my program for the very first time Mark Crutcher.

I consider Mark a modern day hero.

I believe he may be embarrassed by hearing me say that but his organization Life Dynamics is

a vital organization in this day and age in which we live where the

infanticide through abortion is taking place in absolutely

mind -boggling numbers and it seems that the citizens of this land

yawn with apathy in light of these grotesque crimes that are taking place

even in our debates over the presidency of the United States of America

during the primaries, even in the Republican primaries.

This seems to be a matter of lesser importance but Mark Crutcher, the president of Life

Dynamics and the producer of the pro -life documentary M .A .F .A. 21 is going to be on for

the first hour discussing abortion, black genocide in the 21st century and our second

guest is a mutual friend of Mark and mine, Dr. Clennard H.

Childress.

He has been on my program a number of times.

He is the founder of blackgenocide .org.

He is an African -American pro -life activist and he is going to be discussing why are black leaders silent

about the slaughter of unborn black children.

That will be the second hour of our broadcast but let me first of all welcome you for the very first time to Iron

Sharpens Iron, Mark Crutcher and let me introduce you

on air to my co -host today, Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Hello, good to meet you, Mark.

Nice to meet you, sir.

And let's hear a description of Life

Dynamics.

What is Life Dynamics all about and when did it start?

Well, you have produced a documentary called M .A .F .A. 21 Black

Genocide in the 21st Century.

If you could explain the title of that documentary to our listeners.

M .A .F .A. is

and I want to let our listeners know that you can actually view the entire documentary for free on the

internet if you go to maafa21 .com.

That's M as in Michael, A .A., F as in Frank, A, 21 .com and

hopefully we'll be repeating that throughout the broadcast.

This is a must -see documentary.

As I was sharing with Mark before the broadcast started, I have probably seen M .A .F

.A. 21 about 21 times and I have shared the

DVDs with many people, especially pastors and even more

especially with African American pastors with some mixed

responses to that.

And now I am sharing the link on the website on the internet very freely

and frequently because of the fact that you can now watch the entire documentary right off of

maafa21 .com.

It is sad to say, it was interesting, Mark, when I gave the DVD to

an African American brother about three years ago who actually

was a convert from, he had been involved in a number of things.

He had been involved in Islam.

He had been involved in the Nation of Islam.

He had been involved in the Five Percenters and a number of militant

black racist organizations, but became a Christian, is on fire for Christ.

I gave him the DVD.

He was blown away by it and I said, please show it to your pastor.

And he said, my pastor isn't ready for this.

And I said, well, if you think your pastor is not ready for this, he needs to see this more than ever then.

I mean, this is like the best kept secret, it seems,

on the planet.

Why don't we go back to, I want to get some brief history here before

I go into some accusations made against Maafa

21 by an African American journalist, Amani

Gandhi, who wrote an article basically accusing pro -life

activists of slandering Margaret Sanger.

And in fact, of course, she in typical pro -death

or pro -abortionist fashion labels us anti -choice.

But before I even do that, let our listeners know, some of them may be startled.

Some of our listeners may have already heard this, but let our listeners know, what was

the genesis of Maafa 21 in regard to Planned Parenthood

and the abortion industry in the United.

States?

That

thing

led

to

this.

What we found

out was,

you

have

to

understand

something.

Sometimes

they're

Republicans.

The

reality is,

the first pro

-life

of Islam

was

going

to

come

to an end

at

some point.

What they began to worry about was the economy.

To the

economy, who you had kept artificially poor and artificially uneducated, and

basically unemployable anywhere, but to the economy, when

you bring in

the slaves on ship,

what if they didn't want to go?

What were you going to do?

Were you going to recapture them while they were in Africa?

And the biggest problem they had, though, was

that by the time,

they'd never been to a very

large, it was

actually funded by the

United

States

Congress.

The United

States

Congress

allocated

money, along with his

cousin, Francis Galton,

about you.

And what

their theory was,

human life,

the highest form of was the

aborigine or the African.

Basically, there was very, very little distinction between a gorilla and an African or a gorilla.

And that the larger this gap could be made, the human race would

be, you're not going to wipe out all the gorillas in the world.

And you might eventually, if that was your idea, but their idea was that you start by wiping out the lowest

form of humans, known as eugenics.

Actually,

Francis Galton's

idea of,

really attracted to this new philosophy called eugenics,

this positive

eugenics, benefits from it.

And so they went to what's called negative eugenics.

They not only, they tried to get black people to reproduce at a

much lower rate.

And that also failed.

And this is what I'm saying, this strategy kept on going from year in and year out.

And as one thing failed, another thing came along, and then another thing, and then another thing.

Negative eugenics, looking at

things like

the eugenics movement.

And a lot of people don't realize how widespread sterilization and eugenics

boards were in the United States.

By the 1930s, the United States had eugenics boards

and or sterilization.

In 1984, the last one was in Oregon.

It was something that lasted for many, many decades.

When you had one of the big proponents of the idea of sterilization and eugenics,

a woman named Margaret Sanger.

And Margaret Sanger was basically the go -to person for all these rich eugenicists.

We're talking about the Carnegies and Rockefellers and so forth, millions of dollars.

But they weren't going to be the ones who actually carried it out.

And basically, the person that they, she and people like her, were the ones they

basically hired to carry out eugenics.

A organization called the American Birth Control League.

And they were pushing birth control, particularly onto the minority community, which they widely wrote about.

In the minority community in the 1940s, though,

eugenics and population control had become

kind of such a negative image when the

Nazis came into existence.

Well, in 1943, as a public relations move, the American Birth Control, and they

pursued the same policy.

The same people were in charge.

The same eugenics people were in charge.

Alan Guttmacher are

one

of the

first

presidents.

He was also

vice

president

of schedule.

Yes.

About the black community.

He was adamantly pro -life

called for.

That

was why I

said

earlier that the real

pro -life, initial pro -life groups in this country wasn't American Life League or National Right to Life or

any of the other life dynamics or any of the other pro -life groups that you think of today.

Those 60s civil rights leaders who now turn out to not have been so radical

after all.

Actually

turned out to be

quite.

Yeah, I'm a

native

Long

Islander before moving to.

Pennsylvania.

I lived on Long Island all my life.

And one of my favorite places to treat my late wife to dinner was in Cold

Spring Harbor, Long Island.

And Cold Spring Harbor, a lot of people who live on Long Island may be shocked to hear, was a main

hub or headquarters of this racist ideology known as eugenics.

Still is.

Really?

Still there.

Well, I know that the lab is still a bit there, but is the eugenics aspect of it still a part of it?

Yes.

Really?

Well, that's interesting.

See, I just learned something.

You just learned something.

I'm trying to figure out how I could be almost 60 and never heard any of this.

Yeah, I know.

Well, that's why I said it's the best kept secret, it seems.

Well, I'm going to go into some of the accusations by Imani

Gandhi, and she has no relation to Mahatma Gandhi.

It's spelled differently, G -A -N -D -Y.

She is an African -American journalist and author.

And she had an article that came out last August, how false narratives of Margaret

Sanger are being used to shame black women.

And the subtitle of this article is anti -choicers wield misattributed

and often outright false quotes about Sanger as weapons to shame black women

for exercising their right to choose, and even more nonsensically,

to shame them for supporting Planned Parenthood.

And she has, let's see here,

she has this quote here, or actually this statement,

Sanger was pro -birth control and anti -abortion.

This may surprise you, considering that Planned Parenthood opponents frequently accuse Sanger

of erecting abortion clinics in black neighborhoods, a practice they claim the organization

continues to this day.

But this is simply not true.

Sanger opposed abortion.

She believed it to be a barbaric practice.

In her own words, although abortion may be resorted to in order to save the life of the

mother, the practice of it merely for limitation of offspring is

dangerous and vicious.

Her views are ironically in keeping with the views of many of the anti -choicers who

malign and distort her legacy.

If you could.

Comment

on

that.

Well,

first off, she's

lying.

She's

saying

that they

were not

pushing for it.

If you're talking about the 1940s, the 1950s,

and even up until

the contemporaries of Margaret

Sanger, Jesse

Jackson

decided,

let me back

up, this

is

literally true.

One week, Jesse Jackson is saying that abortion is an instrument of black genocide,

and it's the wholesale slaughter of living human beings, and that it has to be stopped and prohibited

by the U .S. Constitution.

One week he's saying that, and a week later, he's

saying totally 100 supportive of abortion and is to

this day.

But he did that for political reasons.

He decided he wanted to run for president, and he was going to run as a Democrat, and the Democratic Party

by this point had become completely sold out to the pro -eugenics.

Jesse Jackson knew full well he would never get any financial support or any political support for his

messy switch, so he did.

And that's not unlike many of these eugenics people who might have in an earlier time

said negative things about abortion, but when the politics of it suddenly

changed their mind.

I'm going to be going to a break in a second, but before I go to the break, I wanted to read another quote from

Imani Gandhi's article that you could respond to when we return.

She says, it is simply untrue that Margaret Sanger wanted to exterminate the

black race.

This is a flat -out lie, yet it is one that is repeated ad nauseum by both

anti -choice activists and the politicians who support them, most recently Ben Carson.

And if you could respond to that when we return from the break, and if you'd like to join us on the air with questions

of your own, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Don't go away, we're going to be right back with Mark Crutcher in Abortion, Black Genocide in the

21st Century.

Bible.

Researched and prepared by biblical scholars devoted to accuracy, the new topical reference Bible includes contemporary

topics relevant to today's issues.

From compact to giant print Bibles, find an NASB that fits your needs very affordably at nasbible

.com.

Trust, discover, and enjoy the NASB for yourself today.

Go to nasbible .com.

That's nasbible .com.

Tired of bop store Christianity?

Of doing church in a warehouse.

With all the trappings of a rock concert?

Do you long for a more traditional and reverent style of worship?

And how about the preaching?

Perhaps you've begun to think that in -depth biblical exposition has vanished from Long Island.

Well, there's good news.

Wedding River Baptist Church exists to provide believers with a meaningful and reverent worship experience,

featuring the systematic exposition of God's Word.

And this loving congregation looks forward to meeting you.

Call them at 631 -929 -3512 for service times.

631 -929 -3512.

Or check out their website at wrbc .us.

That's wrbc .us.

Thriving Financial is not your typical financial services provider.

As a membership organization, we help Christians be wise with money and live generously every day.

And for the fourth year in a row, we were named one of the world's most ethical companies by the Ethisphere

Institute, a leading international think tank dedicated to the creation, advancement, and sharing of best

practices in business ethics.

Contact me, Mike Gallagher, financial consultant

at 717 -254 -6433.

Again, 717 -254 -6433 to learn more about The Thriving.

Difference.

Welcome back.

This is Chris Orns.

And if you've just tuned us in,.

Our guest for the first hour has been Mark Crutcher, president of Life Dynamics and producer

of MAAFA 21, Black Genocide in the 21st Century.

And we have been discussing not only the genocide that is taking place in America

of black unborn children, in addition to children of all races, but

we also have been responding to an article by Imani Gandhi, which I hope,

actually, I hope to get Imani Gandhi on my program at some point to have a debate with someone,

either Mr. Crutcher or someone from Life Dynamics, or perhaps even Dr.

Childress.

So that is something that I would like to do at some point.

But if you could reply to the comment that I made before

the break about this journalist defending Margaret Sanger

as not having any desire to exterminate the black race.

If you go to

Margaret Sanger's

writings,

and

they

didn't always

say, although

there are

places the overt, but they didn't always say, we're here to wipe

out blacks, but they would use code words like feeble minded.

So they would, they would in one place, talk about how feeble mindedness was a justification for

eugenics.

And then another place talk about how many more people were feeble minded.

Well, if you combine those, the

Planned Parenthood rally

and so on

there

about how she found them to be a very interesting group.

And then how after their speech, she was approached by the leaders of 10 other Klan groups

who wanted her to come speak to them.

I think it may have slipped by there very quickly.

She spoke at a Ku Klux Klan rally.

At a Ku Klux Klan rally in Silver Lake, New Jersey,

was that

part of the

country that slavery was an economic institution, and it was more viable

in the South.

And it would be a financial hub

when you start seeing,

for example, Margaret Sanger speaking to a Klan rally.

If I said that to people, they think, well, that must have been in Georgia or Alabama or Mississippi or Texas or somewhere.

No, this was in Silver Lake, New Jersey.

This idea that, that this was just a regional problem is nonsense.

It was very much a national problem.

The whole country was mixed up in this.

The South was the one who was taking advantage of it from the standpoint of actually using slaves.

By the way, I want to be fair to Imani Gandhi that she does not scour

Margaret Sanger's reputation sparkly clean in regard to some unfortunate allies

that she had.

But I think that she still is either intentionally or through

being misguided and ignorant of the facts, is whitewashing,

for lack of a better term, no pun intended, her history.

And here's another thing that she says.

Anti -choice zealots tell us that Margaret Sanger was the American version of

Hitler, proposing a final solution to the black question.

This is nonsense.

And she later says, in fact, the Nazis were not fans of Sanger.

They even burned her books, as Gerald V. O 'Brien points out in his article,

Margaret Sanger and the Nazis, how many degrees of separation.

Moreover, as Amita Kelly writes for NPR recently pointed

out, Sanger herself wrote in 1939 that she had joined the anti

-Nazi committee and gave money, my name and any influence I had with writers

and others to combat Hitler's rise to power in Germany.

Well, obviously, that was very convenient when the Nazis were,

you know, being more realized as being an enemy of

our country than previously.

But if you could respond.

To that.

Well, sure.

Again, it would have been very easy by the anti -Nazi, but you

still have to go

back,

mostly

black.

If

you're an

American and

you're

wanting to

get

even be an

opponent of

the Nazis, but you're

explaining

how she had all these

alliances,

certainly

don't take this woman's word for it that's

trying to defend her.

Go read her own work.

Go read their materials that we have online.

It'll take you a while.

It's a lot of material they put out, a voluminous amount of.

Stuff, but make up your own mind what they were doing.

Yeah, there wasn't there a scientist who was in the Third Reich who

wrote for her magazine or at least wrote an article or something?

In this blanket statement that you don't believe it or it's not true or whatever, point to the stuff that's incorrect,

because we fully documented 100 of what we put in that movie.

If you watch the credits, I mean, the credits go on forever and ever because of all the

documentation that we did for it.

I would challenge them to do that.

One thing that I forgot to mention during the

anti -abortion quote that Imani Gandhi cited

from the pen of Margaret Sanger, it is true that there are many white

supremacists who are anti -abortion when they are referring to white people.

Like the Nazis themselves were against abortion by Aryan women,

but they were very much in favor, obviously, of all kinds of grotesque

practices like euthanasia and abortion and other things when it was not involving Aryan

couples having children.

Well, yeah, the Hamburg Eugenics.

Was partially

funded

by the way, and

that

court

convened to

decide, and we'll

hear a

lot

about.

That.

Yes, you'll very rarely if ever hear a white supremacist complaining about blacks or.

Others, other minorities having abortions.

No, we found some

quotes in

minority neighborhoods,

and that leads me to something that I was going to bring up that you had talked about earlier.

When this woman is saying we said that Margaret Sanger opened up all to this

day, we never said Margaret Sanger did that, but Planned Parenthood is doing it.

And we have another report, Alvin Reed, in which we looked

at, we took all the zip codes in the United States that have either a birth control clinic or an abortion clinic or a

Planned Parenthood facility.

We went to the

United States,

minority

neighborhoods, but

black women make up only about 12 of

the female population, almost 40 of the abortions.

A black baby today is five times as likely to be aborted than as a white

baby.

And in some parts of the United States, for example, New York City, more black babies

are aborted.

At that time, they found out that for every 10 pregnancies that occur to black

women,

we're seeing

that, but the Klan could never.

Yeah, it's interesting how this journalist, Imani Gandhi, seems to be going out of her way to

defend Sanger as being anti -abortion when it's clearly the journalist herself is pro

-abortion.

I mean, she is calling us anti -choicers and she

said that it is nonsensical to shame black women for supporting Planned

Parenthood, who is performing more abortions than any other.

Organization

in the United

States,

correct?

Yes, but the target...

Now, we do have an anonymous listener from Long Island, New York,

who says that a pastor who is a friend of mine and who seems

biblically sound in many ways refuses to watch the Maafa

21 documentary because he is claiming it is nothing more than

Republican propaganda.

How do you respond to that?

Well, it's interesting that the pastor would respond that way without having seen it, and

secondly, having seen it myself, you hold Republican politicians and presidents,

you hold their feet to the fire and expose them just as much as you do Democrats in.

This documentary.

Well, I would...

Nixon.

Richard Nixon.

Yes.

We have quotes of him saying

that.

We've got it in there.

Yes, and pardon me for quoting him, but he actually says.

Little black bastards, is what he says.

Right, but I was not... I was going to... I didn't know.

If you wanted to use that, Tom.

Well, I was just quoting him.

It wasn't my sentiment, so...

He said it'll be to get rid of the black bastards.

That's what he said.

Yeah.

Here's the point that I made to you.

There is nothing...

No, don't worry about it.

About the American

public.

Well, with God, all things are possible, though.

He can get them back.

I can't.

We have another anonymous listener from Long Island, New York, also,

who says that in speaking with a woman who runs

a crisis pregnancy center, she told me that today

the trend has reversed, where more white children are being

aborted, not blacks.

Is she getting her facts confused?

Well, I don't know,

because I'm

just a

white

baby.

And a thought occurred to me.

I'm wondering if, and I'm not impugning these motives to the person

that our listener is referring to, because I don't know who that person is, but I'm wondering if there are

people who are very actively involved in the pro -life movement who don't want to use

the documentation of MAAFA 21 as their propaganda

because they are fearing that they will get less support because of the reality of

racism, even amongst Christians.

In other words, if it's black babies who are being aborted, maybe

white evangelicals and even white Roman Catholics in mass won't be as

angry and furious and willing to support and do whatever they can to stop the genocide.

Do you follow what I'm saying?

I know exactly

what

you're saying,

this argument, and

I

won't

back

away from

it, so I'm not backing away from it.

It actually makes some people, might have otherwise,

not because they look back and they say,

minorities, they don't have much of a problem,

they'll keep them off

the

wealth for

economics,

was that because

blacks are more disproportionately

commit crime, that a high abortion rate among blacks keeps the crime rate lower.

That's the kind of subtle racism that we have to fight in this country.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

And we have another listener, Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania,

who says that, I would tend to think that white

girls and women are having more abortions because in the more affluent

culture, it is more of a thing to be shamed about having a baby out of

wedlock, that is, or as a young teenager, where it seems to be

commonplace in the urban and poverty -stricken areas where many

unmarried and young women are giving birth at high rates.

How do you account for this phenomenon?

The rate is higher as well.

And I really want you to unburden your heart to leave our listeners with what you most want

etched in their hearts and minds before they leave this program.

I know that you could only be with us for an hour today, perhaps in the future, you could be with us for the full two hours, but I

just want to make sure that you leave our listeners with everything that you, or as much that you can summarize,

that you want them to know.

I want them to know that they've been lied to by the abortion industry,

and they've been lied to by the media who's in the back pocket.

It's one thing to say that abortion ought to be legal, and that's your right to say that.

If you want to believe that, you can believe it.

But at least do it with your eyes open.

Don't do it with the idea in mind that

this is something you can believe for a moment,

women's freedom, or any of that

nonsense.

If you want to believe that abortion should be legal, then do so, but of reality,

not for example, it has enslaved women, it has

not freed women.

It's the reason that the early feminists, if you go back and read the writings of

Elizabeth Cady Stanton or Virginia Woodhull, or Susan B. Anthony or Evelyn Judge, who wrote the original Equal Rights

Amendment, all of these women vehemently opposed the legalization of abortion because they

said it was going to be an instrument in which sexually irresponsible

would be able to control women.

And that's exactly what it's become.

We've done a complete report again at Pro -Life about the number of women in this country that are

murdered because they refuse to have abortions.

And it has become an instrument, sexually irresponsible, to

say it was

done.

Well, Mark Crutcher, thank you so much for being on the program.

And I know that two of your websites are lifedynamics .com,

lifedynamics .com.

And to watch the entire MAAFA 21 documentary,

subtitled Black Genocide in 21st Century America, the

website is maafa21 .com, M as in Michael, A, A, F as in Frank, A, the

numerals 2 and 1, maafa21 .com.

You can watch the whole thing there.

And you had a Pro -Life America website.

What was that?

Yeah, prolifeamerica .com is our gateway.

All righty.

Well, thank you so much, Mark.

And we look forward to having you back on Iron Sharpens Iron in the near future, God willing.

Thank you, sir.

My pleasure.

And don't go away, because coming up right after a station break is

a gentleman who has contributed to the MAAFA 21

documentary, a friend of mine, Dr. Clennard Howard Childress.

Our first guest, Mark Crutcher, was a Caucasian individual, but we

have an African American pastor, Mark, I'm sorry,

Clennard Howard Childress, who is one of the primary black pro

-life activists in the United States today.

And he is going to be discussing a very controversial theme, and that is why are black

leaders silent about the slaughter of unborn black children?

And that basically is a appropriate sequel to our first hour with Mark Crutcher.

So if you have any questions of your own, shoot us an email at chrisarnson at

gmail .com.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com.

And please give us your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

And please only remain anonymous.

It's about a personal, private matter that you want to ask about.

Don't go away.

We're going to be right back with Dr. Clennard Howard Childress, Jr.

Linbrook Baptist Church on 225 Earl Avenue.

In Linbrook, Long Island, is teaching God's timeless truths in the 21st century.

Our church is far more than a Sunday worship service.

It's a place of learning where the.

Scriptures are studied and the preaching of the gospel is clear and relevant.

It's like a gym where one can exercise their faith through community involvement.

It's like a hospital for wounded souls where one can find compassionate people in healing.

We're a diverse family of all ages, enthusiastically serving our Lord Jesus Christ in fellowship, play, and

together.

Hi,.

I'm Pastor Bob Walderman, and I invite you to come and join us here at Linbrook Baptist Church.

And see all that a church can be.

Call Linbrook Baptist at 516 -599 -9402.

That's 516 -599 -9402.

Or visit linbrookbaptist .org.

That's linbrookbaptist .org.

Attention coin collectors and investors.

Long Island Galleries of Wading River, New York has brilliant uncirculated 19th century Morgan

silver dollars for only $54 per coin with free shipping and handling for a limited

time.

There's a 40 coin limit, so order now while supplies last.

Call 888 -260 -8111.

888 -260 -8111.

Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express welcome.

Price is subject to change, so call now at 888 -260 -8111.

888 -260 -8111.

If you prefer ordering your brilliant uncirculated 19th century Morgan silver dollars by check,

mail it today to Long Island Galleries, 9 Susan Drive, Wading River, New York,

11792.

That's Long Island Galleries, 9 Susan Drive, Wading River, New York, 11792.

Remember they're only $54 per coin with free shipping and handling and a 40 coin limit.

New York State residents must add sales tax.

Long Island Galleries is honored to sponsor Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

See the Long Island Galleries display ad at ironsharpensironradio .com.

Paul wrote to the church at Galatia, for am I now seeking the approval of man or of God, or am I trying

to please man?

If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Hi, I'm Mark Lukens, pastor of Providence Baptist Church.

We are a Reformed Baptist Church and we hold to the London Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689.

We are in Norfolk, Massachusetts.

We strive to reflect Paul's mindset to be much more concerned with how God views what we say and what we do

than how men view these things.

That's not the best recipe for popularity, but since that wasn't the apostles priority, it must not be ours either.

We believe by God's grace that we are called to demonstrate love and compassion to our fellow man and to be

vessels of Christ's mercy to a lost and hurting community around us and to build up the body of Christ in truth and

love.

If you live near Norfolk, Massachusetts or plan to visit our area, please come and join us for worship and fellowship.

You can call us at 508 -528 -5750, that's 508 -528

-5750, or go to our website to email us, listen to past sermons, worship songs, or watch our TV

program entitled Resting in Grace.

You can find us at providencebaptistchurchma .org, that's providencebaptistchurchma .org,

or even on sermonaudio .com.

Providence Baptist Church is delighted to sponsor Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

Welcome back, this is Chris Arnzin.

If you've.

Just tuned us in, the first hour of the program we had Mark Crutcher, the president of Life

Dynamics and producer of the pro -life documentary Maafa 21 as our guest,

and as a very appropriate sequel to that interview, we now have Dr. Clennard Howard

Childress, Jr., an African American pro -life activist and founder of

BlackGenocide .org.

BlackGenocide .org, he is going to be discussing why are black leaders silent about the

slaughter of unborn black children?

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron, Dr. Clennard Howard Childress.

Thank you so much for having me again, great to be here.

And I wanted to introduce you to my co -host, Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Hello, good to meet you.

Okay, wonderful.

And let me, for our listeners who have not heard you before on this

program or may be unfamiliar with you, please let them know something about BlackGenocide

.org.

If someone didn't know any better, they might think that's a white supremacist organization that you've got a

website for.

Well, with these elections,

it's been, but no,

that is devastating

to find out that it was systemic.

It was sad to

find out even more so because of African American, the

Democratic Party leadership

turn away, has it

gotten better?

Yes, there's voices.

I don't know if it could ever

be fast enough for me, but it is, I would have to say, stepping back and looking

at it,.

Increasingly better for awareness, but we still...

And let us know about LEARN, L -E -A -R -N.

My program coincidentally is on a network in Texas called L -E -R

-N, LEARN, which is the leading edge radio network, but you have a different LEARN organization that you are a part of.

Yes,.

That's quite all right.

But they began it, oh,

I got an invitation.

I got an invitation to attend in 1990.

Quite honest,

I had to

ask twice.

And

there I

saw, and she did a

presentation on the Negro Project, which they

gender.

You have to understand I'm a young African American preacher who felt

he was...

For me

and my

wife, it was his

hearing

for the organization

staggering to me.

And so we left there.

One thing just led to a

life activist.

He made the comment that you don't choose pro -life

advocacy chooses you.

And I said, that couldn't have been said any better.

Now, before this awakening, if you will, were you pro -choice or were you

just not as enthusiastic and enthusiastically involved in the pro -life

movement?

That's with the latter.

I just wasn't physically involved.

I knew it was wrong.

Three, it

was

an

abortion.

I knew abortion was going on.

I never knew the numbers, but to think that a child could be aborted all the way up to nine months by

law, I had no

idea.

But yet we

just...

Life advocacy

is an American dream.

So you as an African American man would obviously, from what you've said, you'd vehemently

disagree with a journalist, the journalist that we were quoting from

in the first hour, Imani Gandhi, African American female journalist who says

that the accusations of racism against Margaret Sanger are grossly exaggerated, if not

flat out lies by the anti -choicers, as she calls.

Us.

Well, that's very sad that they had to

go.

And

so

the

best thing to go with is,

that's a woman saying that in

the 30s.

And so we find

that

is just one

of the

tests

that they

would probably have just won.

She was way ahead of China long before now.

But the writer, you

can call her a million times, she would never be on the same forum with me.

I challenge, at the NAACP, at the Congressional Black Caucus, we have

challenged them to an open forum.

We are censored.

We are barred.

And listeners need to know this.

I'm not making this up.

And what I do sometimes, I said, and I had a local program here in the Bronx.

She says, well, I'm going to get them to come down and have a debate.

I said, well, I can tell you right now, they won't answer you.

They won't adhere to that.

But you tried.

And she scoffed at me.

She said, well, why wouldn't they?

They're community leaders just like you.

They're interested in the black community just like you.

They're interested in women's health just like you.

I said, ma 'am, I've been doing this a while.

They will not come on this program.

And sure enough, she called four of them.

One said yes.

And the one that said yes canceled the week before.

They would not come on and debate, because if you get in the form of a debate, you lose.

You don't want to debate.

You know you're going to lose.

And they're about not women's health,

but marketing.

Now, we

were discussing with Mark Crutcher,.

Your friend and colleague in the first hour, how universally it seemed

the those that were leaders of the civil rights movement

or those who were even involved in extremist groups

led by black leaders that even you and I would feel very uncomfortable with today, if not

outright opposed for many reasons, some of which may have even had a a

black racism against the white race and so on.

But it was universally, it seems, understood that

black leaders and activists were pro -life and understood that there was some kind of an

agenda behind the abortion industry to rid the

population of black children.

And what was it that really occurred in our nation's history that

seemed to have reversed.

The trend totally?

Well, which is

Martin Luther

King called

Kennedy

and asked for

protection.

People believe John Kennedy was cheering Martin on.

John Kennedy and his brother Robert Kennedy were begging him to stop, but he would

not.

Martin Luther King's father actually said if you would change your position,

you would have, I promise you, a million or two million votes the next time

you run for the presidency.

Now, ironically, he never gets that chance.

But nevertheless, he began to encourage and push civil rights

legislation.

I don't want to diminish John Kennedy.

I happen to like him, questionable.

But the fact of the matter is he really got incentive

when he saw it as a new voting base.

And because it's his party that's fighting civil rights legislation, it was

the Dixiecrats, the Southern Democrats especially, that were fighting the legislation

for civil rights.

Well, he did send the protection.

I think that was in Alabama as opposed to Georgia.

And I can't remember all the details.

He did send the protection.

He began to write the legislation.

Once again, I don't want to make your listeners upset.

I thank God for President Johnson, his vice president, Lyndon

Baines Johnson.

But he was the more racist politician that there was.

But he had sense enough to continue in the same vein.

Matter of fact, if you watch Selma, they actually did project him just the way he was.

So, you know, sometimes, you know, I don't even like watching certain things because people put their spin on it, their

ideology.

But even Alveda King was very happy with Selma.

She said, to her knowledge and to what the family talked about, and to what she knew,

Selma was extremely accurate.

And I do appreciate that.

So here you have this shift.

Now, Jesse Jackson kind of sealed it when he himself had

political aspirations and had dawned himself as the leader.

It wasn't really, oh my goodness, it wasn't

Abernathy.

To me, it should have been Y .T. Walker, or

Fred Shelsworth, without question.

I would like to really know what happened, how Jesse Jackson became that person.

Now, I don't, I'm not a conspiracy theorist,

like to sell, but there's

very strong, credible witnesses and persons that said that basically, Jesse

Jackson had been, and if they would, if he would do his bidding, that they would

assist the black leader of being.

So how much of that is true?

If you read serial killers,

actually note, check them out and accurate.

I think the greatest testimony to that was Y .T. Walker.

When someone asked him, was Jesse Jackson being utilized by the government,

basically being in,

he said in Memphis, the night he was killed, there was a government shutdown

in Memphis and nobody could go in or come out.

They said there was only one African American that left,

there's only one person that left Memphis that night on a plane,

and that was Jesse Jackson.

Pursue that and check all those things out.

My point is, he gave his soul to the Democratic Party.

Well, we're following, and Johnson's signing the legislation, and

he's fighting his party, but

Johnson and those that basically tied in with is saying that this

legislation must go forward.

Therefore, we are the party of the civil rights, which nothing could be further from the truth.

African American leadership, and they have got their

accolades, unfortunately, by being politically engaged.

And so unlike white pastors, Caucasian pastors

who have a tendency to politics in the African American community,

because of this, in some way, form or fashion, have to be engaged.

Some way, form or fashion, they can get away with bringing politicians in and

speaking on Sunday, and not worry about their 501c3s being snatched, because

it's just too true to challenge them on it.

But make it a long story short, because two or three programs.

That's, in a sense, unlike any other

community in the country, when surveys and the data was done, revere our

pastor

politicians

three.

One short example

that you can ask another question.

Okay, just to

show you what I mean, D .D.

Fox himself, so he could be acceptable to who?

You'll never have the white vote.

Jesse Jackson didn't do that.

Right.

As a matter of fact, he would have lost his identity if he had defrocked himself.

And, you know, I'm sure there's people that could probably communicate

this, but that, nevertheless, those are perceptions,

are the perceptions.

And right now, who did Obama pay to be

one of his mouthpieces?

A preacher.

Al Sharpton.

And then he got in Jesse Jackson.

Now, ironically, it was those who were outside

called him Al Cornel

West.

They're not pastors.

But to be quite honest with you, I don't agree with them on everything.

They at least challenged the agenda of the president, which I can't think

of a pastor on that level of exposure chose to do,

you know, and I thank God for E .W. Jackson there, lived his way down

here in the South.

But as far as nationally speaking, it should have came from

the perceived leadership of the,

really galvanized together and said, even if you were fooled

by the agenda of Barack Obama, I don't want to get into, he could

not have done anything more than what he has done these last eight years.

He was always, this was always his agenda.

If you study and read his writings out,

then he should not have been that he

was able to do

and continues today to still have a certain that

got that rating is

so which is sad that

they're now looking for the government to set the value

agenda instead of stepping up and enforcing our agenda by being

visible in the public square.

I'm going to be going to a break right now.

And before I go to the break, let me just ask you a question.

So you could think about it when an answer when we return.

It seems almost miraculous in a negative sense

that even though we had primary powerful individuals like Jesse

Jackson, jumping ship and becoming pro -choice advocates

after being militantly pro -life previously, it seems amazing that it's

across the board, every prominent African American that has

the spotlight on them, at least who is a member of the Democratic Party,

and maybe affiliated more with liberal politics has seemed to have totally sucked in

all of the pro -abortionist propaganda.

And it just seems to me utterly breathtakingly amazing that it seems to be a

very rarely heard voice in the media when you hear an African American speaking up

for the pro -life movement.

That has changed in recent years, largely due to the Fox network.

Now, I'm not a big trumpet player, thinking that

Fox network is some kind of a haven of perfection in the media, but they do seem

to have quite a number of African Americans who are pro -life featured on

that network.

But anyway, perhaps you could explain to our listeners why this seems to be such a,

the pro -abortion position seems to be almost a universally held position of the leadership

in the African American community, at least that which we see in the media.

And if you'd like to join us on the air with questions of your own, our email address is

chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Don't go away.

We'll be right back with Dr.

Clennard Howard Childress.

Thriving Financial is not your typical financial services provider.

As a membership organization, we help Christians be wise with money and live generously every day.

And for the fourth year in a row, we were named one of the world's most ethical companies by the ethosphere

Institute, a leading international think tank dedicated to the creation, advancement, and sharing of best

practices in business ethics.

Contact me, Mike Gallagher, financial consultant

at 7 1 7 2 5 4 6 4 3 3 again, 7 1 7 2 5 4 6 4 3 3 to learn more about.

The thriving

difference, faith finances, and

generosity.

That's the thriving story.

Lynnbrook Baptist church on two 25 Earl Avenue in Lynnbrook, Long Island is teaching God's timeless truths in

the 21st century.

Our church is far more than a Sunday worship service.

It's.

A place of learning where the scriptures are studied and the preaching of the gospel is clear and relevant.

It's like a gym where one can exercise their faith through community involvement.

It's like a hospital for wounded souls where one can find compassionate people in healing.

We're a diverse family of all ages, enthusiastically serving our Lord Jesus Christ in fellowship play.

And together.

Hi, I'm pastor Bob Waldeman.

And I invite you to come and join us here at.

Lynnbrook Baptist church and see all that a church can be call in Brook Baptist at 5 1 6 5 9 9 9

4 0 2 that's 5 1 6 5 9 9 9 4 0 2 or visit Lynnbrook baptist .org.

That's Lynnbrook baptist .org.

And the Lynnbrook Baptist church wants to remind everybody that they are having a special resurrection Sunday

service at both the 830 am service and 1045 am service this

Sunday, March 27.

And there's going to be a free hot buffet breakfast available from 915 am

to 1030 am.

And for more details, call 516 -599 -9402.

That's 516 -599 -9402 or visit their website

lynnbrookbaptist .org.

That's lynnbrookbaptist .org.

And we want to thank Lynnbrook Baptist Church of Lynnbrook, Long Island for being a faithful sponsor of

iron sharpens iron radio dating back all the way to 2006.

Without their generosity, we would likely not be on the air.

Thanks to Pastor Bob Walderman, Deacon Sal Dantona, and the brothers and sisters at

Lynnbrook Baptist Church, Lynnbrook, Long Island.

That's lynnbrookbaptist .org l y n brookbaptist .org.

If you just tuned us in, our second guest today is Dr. Clennard Howard Childress,

and he is the founder of blackgenocide .org.

And we are speaking about the mysterious silence of black leadership

in the media in regard to the slaughter, the infanticide

of unborn black children.

And if you could comment why this seems to be such an incredibly and amazingly and breathtakingly

disturbing universal position of black leadership that we see at least in the spotlight in

the media.

Dr.

Childress.

Yes, and killed by

and Americans make up 12

points

and that 1740 to Alan Guttmacher

aren't they say they're in parenthood 1700

each day.

And so when you have that type of systemic,

that is the only community that's

beneath

an African American, believe

it or not, it's

even

worse.

Holocaust sign

closed door and but that still is the shedding of innocence

or cannot win.

Now rovers as we have

not even materialized, but the most

famous letter ever written in America's in jail

and paper smuggled in.

And in the message smoke, he said the early church put it in

the such evils as gladiator contest.

And if you if you knew the story of that he

references in the letter from Birmingham jail, that they could

ever pick up the ideology or the mindset that you can dish

word certainly are more relevant today than they were when he

said that the early church in the time of Rome,

if you didn't like the way the child looked eyes or whatever, you

could leave the child by the side of the road,

keep those children hanging

over them every day the child was with them.

And the in the early church was so about it,

it eradicated the law, the law.

And I can tell you right now, they're probably but just diligence to

rescue life.

And this is why when you see handing out material is

pivotal, that is pivotal.

And they are crucial to this turning around.

Sometimes we're looking at the White House, God's looking at the little clinic to see who comes

out to rescue those children.

And gladiator contest the you say, Well, how does that have to do any with anything

that day?

For some reason, God told him to go down to the arena,

or was there, he saw the bat

wounded and the other one stood over him with his sword.

The name of the priest escapes me.

I didn't know he rushes out of the stands and

stands between soldier

with a sword drawn waiting for Caesar to give the thumbs down

erupts into laughter.

But here's his words.

He never changed.

Every time they did during him, tell me get out of get out of he says the killing must stop.

The killing must stop.

Well, he gets the thumbs down of that

time.

And the sword he

just to get them out of the way.

The priest absorbs the wound repositions himself in front of

the soldier with only one say the killing.

And that's

how it

ended.

So

Martin

references

this in his letter while he's

in jail, and if that

won't stop,

and so he goes

down,

and he stands in between and

he and he dies there.

But the killing stopped.

And see the church doesn't want to stand in between it

wasn't any

law that does not reflect God's law is an unjust

law.

Abortion is an unjust law.

It's up to the righteous to stand between the murderer

and the victim and declare the killing must stop.

Though both of them were killed that day.

The man.

Now, I have.

Heard from African Americans that are

more conservative, not only in their theology, but in their political

activism, that the average member in the pew

of an African American church, a predominantly black church is typically very pro

life, but that it's the leadership and the clergy that are pro choice or who

acquiesce to the liberal agenda on this issue is.

From your experience.

Do you agree with that?

To a

certain

reflect your value?

Well, people

say, well, in the African American community said, well, the other

we can't go I can't, you know, you tell some black people in the urban community that you're or

talk about a Republican candidate, you get turned off so fast.

It's amazing.

It's kind of funny sometimes.

But they're looking at, basically, they're listening to propaganda.

Because first of all, no one deserves 97 % of your vote except Jesus.

There should have been some variance there.

I mean, that's just absurd.

But to make a point and then for that person to advocate the slaughter of

the innocent, the dismembering of children, the only living

politician in America agreed

and voted yes,.

Actually vote again, still be elected president.

And why don't you explain what exactly that is?

Because some of our more naive listeners might not know how horrific this issue is.

I'm so sorry.

But we're with Africa, his own

state

testified before the committee and before

the born alive to die.

I just recently read hospitals in hospitals.

Yeah, I just read

and be listening to say, well, how did that happen to a botched abortion?

Yes, and the abortion was in a month that the child is unquestionably totally

viable.

Yeah, when when john McCain was running against Barack Obama, and he brought that

up.

First of all, I was disgusted by both of them because Barack Obama actually his first reaction was to

giggle when john McCain brought it up, because he was basically saying that this

was a straw man argument and that the real issue was we have to protect

the woman's right to choose and all that kind of thing.

But john McCain didn't even explain what he was talking about.

He just let it he let it die.

He let the issue die when he could have hammered that until he got a satisfactory answer, which never would have

happened.

And asked him the question, I

was that American value,

right?

And describe survive the abortion, they're there on the table looking for

nourishment, care, to be cuddled to be held,.

You had to do that.

And just just to drive this more, drive it home more clearly.

We're talking about nurses taking living babies who survived a

botched abortion attempt, being thrown into shoeboxes or wrapped in cloth and thrown

into or placed, I should say, on the shelves of a storage closet or somewhere else,

where they just die of starvation.

And people don't believe that,.

Right.

But it's happening.

And we've become so callous, the love of many has waxed cold.

Well, Barack Obama is the only elected official to say,

if the mother will the child to die, then the child should die.

And so do not protect that child, let the child die.

And I said to myself, I know this man cannot get elected with this hanging

over him.

But as you know, the media guarded him and protected him and never

ever talked about that never had a sidebar never had a story.

A 60 minutes didn't do anything.

Surprise, surprise.

So, you know, basically, they protected him from many such disarms.

And when he went to the church in California,

Rick, Rick Warren, right?

Yeah, Warren Southbrook church.

And he said he believed marriage was between one man and one woman.

I you know, I'm only I'm sitting there with my wife.

And I'm saying, how many people in America actually know he's telling a bare faced lie.

And that if you knew anything about him, he never espoused that.

Never.

But when he got on Rick Warren, and for what I hear that actually gave him a boost

in his likeability when he came up with that.

But he was lying.

No, I think this is not disrespectful.

I don't believe in disrespecting anybody.

But that was a lie.

And he knew his lie.

And now it just came out recently, that his advisors told him when that question is

asked, folks would have

really said

it, they would have known

there's a whole

lot of other things that certainly America would

have Americas would never embrace it that church, he

wouldn't have been there fighting against Joe.

Right, right.

He was his commandant.

He was, he was an outright

lie are only true.

Well, I

have

a question from Long Island, New York.

CJ from Lindenhurst brings.

Up a question that is really right at the heart of what you just said.

He says that, that African Americans, I

know, will say they refuse to switch parties, because the

Republicans do absolutely nothing about abortion anyway.

And since I agree with other important issues that the democratic platform

champions, I'm not going to abandon my party for a party of liars and cowards who do

nothing to save the life of the unborn.

And I mean, there is some validity in that.

But I don't think that it is a a thoroughly thought out

answer to the problem.

But we I think you and I both agree, and even more, Mark Crutcher brought up that the fact of the matter is

that the Republicans in leadership have very often betrayed the pro -life,

the pro -life believing Christians in their voting base.

There's no question about that.

And when.

That

argument

comes up, even

though you have the

individual who's speaking my values, whether they do it or not, you got to just roll

with it.

He says, if you're pro -life, I'm pro -life.

You for education reform, I'm for education reform.

You believe marriage is between one man and one woman, I believe marriage is between one man and one woman.

Well, your party doesn't agree with any of those three things.

How high on the priority are your priorities?

If life is my priority, well, then when I vote, I have to consider that I, I can't

say, well, and this is what the Democratic Party depends on, this blind

allegiance, because why should I change if you don't challenge me to change?

Why should I offer services if you accept my candidacy and my,

and my office without any, without holding me accountable for anything?

Why should the Democratic Party look, in any way, line up with the values of the

African American church, and the African Americans, if African Americans constituency,

when there's no demand for them to.

And because the other guy is such a bad choice, you always have to come to me.

Well, first of all, that's absurd.

It's wrong.

And we need to send a message to the Democratic Party.

You don't own me.

As Starr Parker would say, I'm not on the plantation any longer.

You cannot, you will not take my vote for granted.

And if there's any ethnic group in the country whose vote is totally taken for granted,

it is the African American community's vote.

And justifiably so, because we do not challenge them to make the

necessary changes that are, that we, our conscience isn't seared every

time.

We choose to support it.

Let me ask you something that is quite controversial, that, you know,

involves sensitivity and so forth.

But there are people, both liberal whites

and those in the African American community, who will listen to this program, and they will

say, okay, even though we may disagree with Dr. Childress, and we may even

consider him an Uncle Tom, or a traitor, or what have you, he has the right

to criticize the black female population for

the outrageous number or unbalanced number of abortions that are

taking place in the community in regard, in compared to white women getting abortions.

He may have, we may disagree with him on his pro -life

or anti -choice positions, but he has the right to do that.

Mark Crutcher, who is white, and Chris Arnzen, and anybody else who is white, you better keep your mouth shut

when it comes to things like that, because that is just a reflection of your

racism.

You know, that is a real phenomenon that exists, where if a white

person were to address these issues in public, they are deemed to be racist, where someone like you,

an African American, you may be viewed as an Uncle Tom, or as just being wrong, but you have

more of the freedom to express.

Yourself.

How do you respond to that kind of thing?

Well, first, I don't like certain

ways, but

they try to tame social activism.

As a matter of fact, I quote Dr. King.

He said, where there is darkness, the people will sin.

Therefore, it's not so much the people that sin, those that have created the darkness.

And that's who I go after.

Those who have created this darkness, this deception, this delusion, and are targeting and

seducing disproportionate amount of African American women to accept

abortion as a contraceptive.

It is diabolical, and it is achieving their purpose.

You're right.

Now, I can't change the political correctness.

I don't think I have that much power.

We have to learn how to operate inside it.

I share with those who work with me, I say,

listen, boardwalk, luxury tax,

park place.

Anybody who plays Monopoly knows exactly what I'm talking about.

If you don't like boardwalk being there, and the luxury tax being

after it, and then park place, well, guess what?

You can't play.

So you got to be able to roll your dice where you are able to navigate that

and get past go and continue.

That's the game that you've been given.

I say this to my white pro -life advocacy, social activists, and all

those who are engaging the public.

I try to worry so much about justice

when you are just concerned about a baby, whether it's white or black, but you see how

African Americans are being victimized and how foolish it is to give this allegiance to the party.

But right now, you really can't.

It really takes, and a perfect example, you may

not be aware of it, in Purdue University, and I have to go out there in three weeks.

In Purdue University, the white students try to do what I do with

the Black Life Matters.

Now, for your listeners that don't know, I have projects where we travel with the Center for Biopsy,

these 12 by 4 pictures, but we basically took certain pictures

from things that have happened, Mike Brown, the young man that

was choked to death by the police officers, and we grieve with these people and say,

well, there's a greater sin.

There's a greater genocide going on, and police officers are okay.

If they all did it each day, they would never catch up to abortion.

But you can't carry that.

I can go out there because they have been demonized.

They

already have been given stereotypes.

We've been stereotyped so strongly what pro -lifers are.

And so when they see black men and women behind the all Black Life Matters

project, they are totally baffled because these aren't supposed to be pro -lifers.

First of all, they're African American, but yet there's white Republicans

standing alongside them and working with them, and we close out in prayer, and we

have great fellowship, but we carry that message.

So we just have to accept that until things change.

I'm not going to ever try to change that.

Okay, how can I use this to my advantage, God?

And he touched me, an African American preacher, and a white

lawyer, Greg Cunningham, almost at the same time.

He called me the day, the week after God speaking to me,

saying Black Life Matters is a gift to the black pro -life movement.

And you get on these campuses, there's not a kid, white or black, that has not

heard Black Life Matters.

It cuts right to the problem.

I don't have to dance around with a whole lot of issues to get to what I want to talk about.

And guess what?

If I say Black Life Matters, they come to attention because of the political correctness.

They try to use it to intimidate.

Politically.

I try to use it to educate.

And we are out of time, and it's blackgenocide .org.

I want to thank you so much, Dr. Childress, for being on, and I look forward to having you back.

I want everybody to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.

We look forward to hearing from you and your own questions tomorrow on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.