March 29, 2021 Show with Geoff Thomas on “Why the Cross?”

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This is Chris Arnzen your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio wishing you all a happy Monday on this 29th day of March 2021 and I'm thrilled to have back on the program a returning guest who has become quite a regular guest on this program.

I absolutely love interviewing this precious brother in Christ who has become one of my favorite guests and also a dear friend and I thoroughly enjoy every opportunity that I have to see and hear him preach in person.

I've had a number of those opportunities dating all the way back to my early days of Christianity in the 1980s. I'm speaking of none other than Reverend Jeff Thomas who beginning in 1965 served for over 50 years as pastor of Alfred Place Baptist Church of Aberystwyth, Wales and he is the author of many books including a new book The Legendary Casey Jones and Other American Folk Tales and today we are going to be discussing Why the Cross, a very important topic with Good Friday and Easter right around the corner.

This will be an excellent audio, will provide an excellent audio link for you to share with your loved ones who may be more open to even contemplating the historic and biblical acts of Christ in his death burial and resurrection.

We who are true believers don't need to rely upon a liturgical calendar to preach and study and contemplate these precious glorious truths that are included in the most vital of Christian teachings, the sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, ascension, ruling and reigning of Christ, which no one can call themselves a true Christian nor should they be considered such unless they believe in these things.

But as I said, Good Friday and Easter provide opportunities perhaps to provide this information to those we love who are not yet saved who may have more of an open ear just because it is a tradition that they celebrate these things every year on Good Friday and Easter.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome back to Iron Trump and Zion Radio, Jeff Thomas.

Well, let's start with number one.

Well, let me give our listeners our email address if they would like to join us on the air with a question of their own. It is chrisarnsen at gmail .com. Please, as always, give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. We do have a listener in Perry County, Pennsylvania named Arnie who says, I truly believe and agree with you that Christ accomplished all on the cross in regard to our redemption.

We did not participate in that in any way, but I'm just curious how you would explain Romans chapter 6 verse 8, which says,. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him.

How did we die with Christ? By the way, you should consider, if you haven't already, writing a booklet on the death of Christ and perhaps call it the F .O .R .S. of Christ's death. That would make an excellent little booklet.

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And we are discussing why the cross and brother Jeff. There is a lot of confusion in the world about the reasons why Christ died. Of course, there were those who reject that he did such a thing, including those that even reject the notion that he existed.

But even atheists today, the more learned ones have come to, for the most part, anyway, stop using the fable that Jesus was a fable. They have become so overwhelmed with the historical data that they typically, even the knowledgeable atheist, typically does not deny that Jesus ever existed because of the extra biblical and historical evidence.

But we cannot rightly view Jesus's death as just some kind of a selfless and humble act whereby he was an innocent man who was put to death and not fighting back physically or doing anything to stop this from happening to him.

There are those, it actually puzzles me how anyone could have an understanding that Christ voluntarily died, but it accomplished really nothing but an excellent example in the minds of some. What kind of an example is that?

If he was innocent and his death wasn't going to accomplish anything, I'm not certain why his passivity in his death was such a noble and wonderful example, unless he was doing it to save the lives of others, which in fact, we know that's exactly what he was doing.

He was redeeming his people. But isn't it very important that the fours that you mentioned earlier, the F-O-R-S, regarding what did Christ die for and who did Christ die for, aren't these important.

Issues that cannot be ignored or treated merely as intellectual ivory tower discussion? Why don't.

You go now into a continuation of the other vital aspects of Christ's death in this list that you.

Have? Yes, the third point, the anniversary,. God, I think we ought to go out for a meal tonight. You thought I'd forgotten. Take me for granted. He doesn't love me anymore. For heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness.

Yes, and doesn't that word, you may have mentioned this in your.

Description using the biblical references that allude to it, but doesn't propitiation actually mean the turning away of wrath that Jesus turned away the wrath that we, his elect, his people, deserve to receive?

He turned it away by actually taking it upon himself, which is the, I think, one of the greatest overlooked aspects of Christ's death, even when evangelicals discuss it. This is even more of a horrific and agonizing element of his torturous execution, was receiving the wrath of God, even more so than the extremely painful death, which many scientists and doctors and so on have described as the, rightly described as the most painful form of execution.

But even that being the case, beyond the physical aspect, because even ordinary men and women and children have been tortured and executed for their faith, what makes this multiplied billions of times over, an infinite number of times over, is the fact that Christ did what no other human did.

He experienced what no other human experienced.

In receiving the wrath of the father, his own father, on the tree. The reasons I said that.

Christ was the only one to experience the wrath of his father and whoever will, because those that will be having the wrath of God poured on them in hell are not receiving it from a father. The reprobate are not the children of God, am I not right?

Aren't only his elect his true children?

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