06-06-2021

And we're in Romans chapter 11. Welcome to all of you. So glad to see you today. And, um, you know, this is interesting walk through this. I've taught the book of revelation. I don't know how many times in my lifetime and different.

The End Times and a New Book Project

Prophetic books like Daniel and Joel and Zechariah and Zephaniah and all those things for 40 years, I guess, almost at this point in my life, and, uh, I've studied on millennialism, I've studied post-millennialism, I've studied pre rapture, uh, wrap, sorry, pre tribulation rapture theory, which I was actually a proponent of for two decades or more, which my mentors both believed.

Well, I've changed his mind. Like I did the other one went to heaven first, or he would have to, I believe. But, um, all of these years of study and I've never seen it as clearly as I have since January 6th of this year and, uh, told Charlotte this morning for the first time, I really believe the Lord has helped me see where all the components fit.

I've had a couple that I never could see how they fit for 13 years. There was one in particular that brother Otis and I discussed when we said we saw that it was something unique and amazing, but we couldn't figure it out exactly because it didn't fit everything exactly.

Right. And in these last few weeks, the Lord's helped me see where that one fits. And the Lord's also done another thing for me, my family. And I've talked for many years about the fact that there's got to be a time in my life when I step back and write some books, but I've got so many books in my head from the stock market to the Bible, to all the different business in the Bible, or just theology.

I don't know where to start. I've even thought about writing a Bush, a book called Fisher isms about everything brother Otis taught me. But I think in the last few weeks, the Lord's revealed to me that he wants me to write my first book's going to be on, um, the end times.

And, uh, I think it's going to be called something like look up a, you know, a biblical viewpoint of the end times chronology, something like that. So I'm happy because now I know, uh, what a first book ought to be.

So now, since I announced it publicly, I guess I have to do it, Katie. So, all right. So Romans chapter 11 is where we are. And let me see if I can get this to start working. All right. So, uh, if God spared, not the natural branches take heed, lest he also spare the, not remember this little portion in Romans is talking about Paul's talking about the Gentiles versus the Jews and how he partially blinded the Jews so that the Gentiles might come in.

But then he comes back and warns the Gentiles that if I plucked the natural bland branches off, you know, you could get plucked off. Now, what you have to understand. And it's beyond the scope of this message is we're not talking about eternal security, the individual believer here.

It's talking about Israel from the point of view that had wheat and tears in it. And Paul said, not all Israel is Israel. Didn't he? Only those of circumcised heart were the true Israelites, but there were many that were circumcised and ran with them, but they weren't true believers.

The same is true of the church. The Gentile church in particular today is full of wheat and tears. And so you have true born again, people, and you have people that say they are, but they're not sitting right next to them in church.

And that's what this is talking about. The fact that just like Israel, as the, the voice of God on the earth was taken away and it was replaced by the church, was it not? And then the church and of course, Israel failed at her job somewhat.

And what about the church? If we're drawing near to the church age, have we succeeded? Have we been tremendously successful, especially in the last 40 years? I think we're weaker than we've ever been as an institution that's supposed to bring the world.

And so I believe this is prophetic that Paul is saying there's going to come a day when the church, the Gentile church for say on the earth will be removed. As the salt predominant witness to the world doesn't mean the rapture, but it removed as the predominant witness and replaced with something else.

I'm going to show all that to you, the Lord willing, we just need time. Don't we? Verse 22, behold, therefore the goodness and severity of God on them, which fell severity time out when he plucked the Jews out so that the Gentiles could be saved, he says, but towards you Gentiles goodness, but look at this.

If it's conditional and it's not talking about an individual that's talking about as the church, as the, as the spokesperson or the spokesman to the world about God, if you continue in his goodness, otherwise you can be cut off, not for salvation, but as the spokesman or the, the word of God going out to the world, the, the, the, um, pipeline of that, if you want to put it that way, and they also, if they abide not still in unbelief now, look at what it says, the Jews, if they abide not in unbelief, they can be grafted back in.

God's able to do that. So then what this is a prophetic, because what God is saying through the apostle, Paul, there was a time when God sort of cut off the Jewish nation as being the folks, how can I say this?

The mouthpiece let's put it that way of the gospel to the world and replaced it with the church. And now there's going to be a time when God removes the church and replaces it with Israel again. And that's what Paul referred to when he said, all Israel shall be saved.

It happens at the second coming. Every Jew still alive will receive him as their personal Lord and savior on that day. What a day that will be for the Lord and for the world, right? There are those who say that the entire tribulation is for the Jew only.

And that is a lie. And I shouldn't say it that harshly. Good people believe that I believed it most of my life. So I don't want to call it a lie. I let's put it this way. It is a lie. Satan has brought into the world and some of us who didn't study enough, including myself for many years, bought into it.

And in that lie, part of it to make it work, you have to make the entire seven years be all about Israel only. And it's not, it's so clear. As you just take a walk through the book of revelation, how often you see Gentiles saved, you see the church still there far beyond chapter three, where the proponents of this, of this theory that the rapture happened seven years before the second coming, the Bible teaches they happen together, but there is this theory that I believe for most of my adult life, that it happened seven years, the rapture before the second coming, uh, to make that fit, you've got to make the whole thing be about Israel.

And it's not, that's the problem. One of the problems, and those people who believe that say that after chapter three revelation, you never see the church in the book of revelation again, which is not true.

It's there many, many times. We'll see several today. All right. So what we need to do is grow up. We need to lay aside our denominational beliefs that are wrong. Keep the ones that are true. We need to lay aside what we've heard from cool old preachers that were not in the Bible.

They just sounded good. And we need to be adults. And we need to look at our own Bible and make sure that we understand that when you read all these books about how the end times works, including one, if I write it, this is the only authority.

If this doesn't support it, throw the parts out that are incorrect, throw them out, don't hang on to those as if they're yours, they're not yours anyway. You didn't make up the theory you, but we grabbed those and become emotional about it as if it's our own.

We need to let this book tell us what the truth is, not us. Tell it what the truth is. And we know that, right? We know that. So we've got to do it that way. So we have to go to scripture. We have this idea of the near prophecy and the far prophecy, and that is not a theological concept.

That is just proven in every, almost every prophecy you read in the Bible. You'll see things that have already happened. You'll see stuff that hasn't happened yet. There, there it is. There's the proof of it.

You don't have to call it far and near. I don't care what you call it, but it is a fact. It's the way prophets prophesy and the way God has them to do it. But way back in Zephaniah, God said, my determination is to gather the nations.

And I guarantee you stuff in Zephaniah that has not happened yet. One of the things that says all the fish in the sea would die. That never happened in 70 AD. That never happened any time in the history of the world, but it's going to happen and you'll see it in the book of revelation.

So the far prophecy here in Zephaniah is talking about the day of the Lord. I mean, most people understand the day of the Lord. That's the second coming. My determination is to gather the nations. We know that happens at Armageddon.

That I may assemble the kingdoms to pour upon them. My indignation, Jesus will destroy him with the sword of his mouth. In a moment, the armies of the world will be destroyed and the blood will be as high as the bridles on the horses in a moment.

So what this is talking to some 2 ,800 years ago, this was written to pour upon them, my indignation, even all my fierce anger for all the earth shall be devoured. That's never happened before where the whole earth was devoured.

Has it, there've been sections of the world devoured in wars, but not the whole world. And it comes because of the fire of God's jealousy. And then there'll be people of a pure language that'll call upon his name.

That's when the Jews get plugged back into the tree. You see it, brother bill, they're grafted back in. And that language will be Hebrew probably. And they'll worship the Lord and serve him with one consent.

All peoples of the world will do that for a thousand years, almost, almost a thousand years, right? At the end, Satan brings one more rebellion. So all this is a reference to that. So then there's this, where it talks about these two olive trees that we talked about, these anointed ones of the Lord.

And they were two people. The near prophecy was of two actual people. Joshua, who is the religious leader, Zerubbabel, who is the secular godly leader. And they rebuilt the wall and the temple, not the wall, but the temple specifically.

And that temple is the same one that Jesus sat there and talked to with his apostles. And they said, and he said, not a stone will be left on top of each other. And that happened in 70 AD. That's when that temple was torn down.

And then there's going to be another temple built. And Zechariah talks about that too. There may even be two more built because the next one that's going to be built may be destroyed during Armageddon.

I don't know, but I think there's another one after that, that Jesus himself builds. So we'll see about that. But, um, talks about these two anointed ones. Now we talked about another time when two witnesses spoke in Jerusalem and Acts chapter four and 5 ,000 people were saved and they told him to stop preaching that message.

And look what they said, whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than God, you tell us memorize that because you will need to know that someday. And you'll probably have to say it to someone in your lifetime.

There'll be a person who tells you to stop talking about Jesus. Keep it in your mind. It's okay to believe it, but you can't talk about it. They may even pass laws and you, you, there's an exception to the rule where it says Christians are supposed to obey the law and the government.

And the exception is when the government asks you to sin or do something God, or to not do something God told you to do, you may disobey the government. And there's the example of it right there. They did.

And 5 ,000 people were saved, which kind of shows God's blessing on the fact that they disobeyed the government. You see that? Remember that we talked about it last time, and then there's going to be another time when two witnesses, and this is, uh, this is what we're going to talk about today.

And, um, so Ron's been wanting to see this for quite a few Sundays and I'm just now getting to it. And here we are, Ron, we made it revelation chapter 11, verse three is where it talks about it. This is in our future, but it's also was the far fulfillment of the prophecy we just saw in the old Testament where it talked about the two witnesses here.

They are, I will give power unto my two witnesses and they shall prophesy 1 ,200, three score days. How long is that? That's three and a half years, three and a half years. It's the whole second half of the tribulation period.

They, these men will stand in the street every day in street, preach in Jerusalem on the corner. And they will do some street preaching for three and a half years. And when people try to attack them, those people will be killed by these prophets and they will call down fire from heaven.

They can make it stop raining and bring a drought and a famine, and they're going to do these things. And so the world system is going to hate these men of God with a vengeance, they will hate these men of God, only the elect who are the church, who is still on the earth at that time will love these two men, but they'll have to do it secretly because the world system will be out to kill anyone who supports these two men and these two men in their message.

So, uh, these are the, um, as it goes on here, it says, these are the two olive trees. All right. So you go, you go right back here, Zechariah chapter four, two olive trees here. They are, these are two olive trees.

How do I know it's them? Cause it mentions two candlesticks. Look back here, two olive trees on the right side of the candlesticks. See it. It's the same two people. So that proves there's a near and a far prop fulfillment of prophecy and Zechariah had happened.

It's everywhere. So don't let anybody tell you, oh, that's just some conception that. Theologians and David Mitchell, like, cause it makes their theory work. No, it's just like, it's, it's everywhere in the Bible.

Even Jesus did it read chapter 24, Matthew. He's got near prophecy in there that happened in 70 AD. And he's got far fulfillment of the prophecy that has not happened yet. So there's another example, but it's all through the Bible, both old and new Testament.

So here are two olive trees. So I'm going to take you on a little trip through the book of revelation. And it's not like verse by verse, the revelation. So don't get scared to death here right before lunch.

But I put this up now there's some inaccuracies in this chart, but it was, it was a good illustration. I'm going to build my own chart. Maybe Dave Huber will help me. But Dave, we need to build our own like this.

But the little things down here where it says over here, deception, war, famine, those are not accurate. So we're going to make them accurate. In fact, in my message, I'll make them accurate for you. So when we get ours built, we'll make a copy available to everybody.

But the cool thing about it does kind of line things up. Chronologically, chronologically, the book of revelation is not all chronological. There are what we call parentheticals in it. Whole chapters that are like a prince, like it'll be going chronologically and then it'll have a prince and say, well, let's focus in on some detail that may be back over here, maybe even talk about something up here.

It's no longer chronological, but it's detailed that when you get to that in the chronology, here's the detail stuff's going to happen. Then it'll go back into chronology. And you can see some examples like you see here starts with chapter six, right across the bottom here.

Notice right here, it jumps to eight and then notice over here from nine after nine, it jumps to 16. It's because a couple of chapters in there, I think it's 10 and 14. I'll have to look to be exact in my notes.

But a couple of those are parentheticals that don't fit the chronology. And so that makes it a little confusing. It can be a lifetime of study to find the proper chronology. But you do. You've got six seals that start with the four horsemen.

And then the fifth and sixth seal are not horsemen, but they're just seals. And we're going to talk to you about what those are. And the seventh seal goes all the way across the top. And that seal includes is broken down into some subsets of seven trumpets.

And when the apostle Paul said that the rapture happened at the last trump, that would happen to be the seventh trumpet up there, right up here. But notice that that's not just a one thing. There's there's some time there's time within that Trump.

Now there is a moment when the Trump begins to blow. And that's a moment. And there's something very important that happens in that moment when it begins to blow, not the rapture, though. I wish it were, but it's not quite not yet.

But it is important. But then this trumpet, it's almost like it plays a long song because that trumpet itself has seven last plagues in there. And in the Bible, they're called vials. And see, I would put the word vial up there because that's what the Bible calls them, like something that holds a liquid and you pour it out.

You got seven of those within that seventh trumpet. See that way, the seventh trumpet, all that's part of the seventh seal. The seventh trumpet is just this part right here. And it has seven vials, which are the last most awful judgments on the face of the earth that God brings.

And guess what? You and I'll be protected during that time, and I'll show that to you, too. All right. So, you know, that's pretty good. There's some stuff down in here that's not that accurate, but we'll make it accurate and provide something similar to this.

The Days of Noah and the Coming of the Son of Man

All right. So I want to show you something this morning. It's fascinating to me. Turn in your Bibles or on your phone to Matthew 24, 37, or watch this up here if it's easier for you, if you can see it from back there.

Jesus Christ prophesied something about the days that we're living in the end times. And here's what he said. As the days of Noah were, so shall also be the coming of the son of man. So the end times, Jesus said, I'll give you a clue.

It's going to be a lot like it was right before the flood. Now, why did we have the flood? Because God destroyed the world system. It had become so evil, right? For many different areas and reasons, for as in the days that were before the flood, they were eating and drinking and marrying and giving a marriage until the day Noah entered the ark.

So the economy is going to be good. People are going to be eating out in restaurants. As soon as COVID is over, right? And they'll be marrying and giving in marriage. And everything like that. And so there may be some implication of of moral infidelity in that part.

I'm not sure. I've always kind of looked at it like it might include that because we certainly had that before the flood happened. And we're having it now all over America and all over the world. It's it's it's a sickness.

And as good as the Internet is. Satan uses every good thing for evil, and it's full of pornography. And our young people are being decimated by it. And so, you know, that could be alluded to there in the marrying and giving of marriage, and then all of a sudden the flood came.

And they knew not until the flood came and then it took them all away. You hear the song this morning sleeping. Will America be sleeping? When this happens? That's what this is about. They were so shall also the coming of the son of man.

He tells me, yes, America will be sleeping except for the elect. And Jesus said, look, I come as a thief in the night. But my people don't have to see it that way. My people can see the signs. My people can see the trees budding and know that summer is near.

My people are not in the dark concerning these things, Jesus said. So it's only the non-elect Americans. And I know America, if you look at America as a Christian country, that's great country, that's great.

But it's full of wheat and tares, isn't it? And the tares will not see it coming. And the huge majority of America are tares. Right. Same of any church. Well, the church, I won't say any local church, smaller churches probably have a less percentage of tears because they get preached out because they can't hide here.

How are you going to hide here? Like I can literally spit to the back row. So you you like you can't hide in this church very easily. We've had them hide before, but we used to be a little bigger too.

You know, before brother Otis came right, Raymond and Sharon, he kind of thinned out some people right there. Anyway, bless his heart. And then now look at this. What's Jesus talking about in this context?

Look at verse thirty seven. Somebody that can see that, read it to me. So what's the topic in this passage? The second coming, would you say? I mean, if you raise your hand, agree with that. OK, that's it.

That's everybody. How about you guys? Raise your hand. The context is the second coming. But look at the three, three verses down from that. Then shall to be in the field. The one shall be taken in the other left.

What does that look like? That looks like the rapture and happens with the second coming, not seven years before it. Now, people that want to continue to believe that, even in the light of Scripture. Hundreds of scriptures that knock that wall down because it's a false wall, it's hard to hold up a lie.

There's so many little ways you can attack it. Makes it easy for people like me who like to debate it. Once you figure it out, it's not right. It's got so much bad armor in there that have chinks in it.

There's one right there. But what they'll do is say, oh, well, that's that's not talking about the rapture. I'll tell you what, any child that would read that or a farmer that would read it or anyone without a PhD who had never discussed these things and just read this, they say, wow, what the heck's going on there?

You got two men in the field, one stays, the other one disappears. Two women shall be grinding at the mill. The one shall be taken. The other left. Watch, therefore, for you know not what hour your Lord does come.

Now, so let me ask you this. This is verse 42. Does that look like it's talking about an army led by the Antichrist who hates Christians and he comes and he grabs one out of the field and arrests them?

Or does it sound like something God did? See, the people that want to hang on to that and I show them this, I say, wait a minute, you got the second coming, then you have the rapture. They said, well, that's not the rapture.

And I said, well, what is that? Oh, well, that's just like they're coming and arresting Jews and Christians and killing them. And I say, context, is it talking about armies, arresting Jews and Christian killing them right here?

Or is this talking about the Lord doing something? Watch, therefore, for you know, not our the Lord comes. You see it once you buy into a lie and you start to love it, it is so hard just to let go of it.

I know because I've been there. I used to get literally red faced, angry people that didn't believe the pre-tribulation rapture theory. I'll get red faced, angry at him. You have to hold back when I argued with him because I defended that as if it were mine and it took an act of God to pry my little hands off of that and just look at the scripture like that, very plain.

But you will know the truth about it. The whole time I believe that theory, I still talk through the Bible verse by verse, when I got to that passage, I had to skip it. When I got to the part about the two in the field, I skipped from verse thirty nine to verse forty three every time.

You know why? Because my conscience wouldn't let me teach that because it didn't fit the theory I was teaching. And I knew it didn't. So I skipped it. Now, what does that tell you? You got to watch preachers and theologians, even even when we mean well, we will hang on to a seminarian position so long.

And boy, you can't pry it out of us and we'll turn red in the face to defend it. And it's not even what the scripture teaches, but we all have a little of that in us. So we just have to grow up. We just have to not care about the argument and only care about the truth.

And the scripture in proper context will guide us every time. Great lesson on that. Now, this is interesting. First, Peter three, 18. Now, now, first thing I want to show you is the second coming is going to be as in the days of Noah.

So I know I got on a rabbit trail, but let's go back and remember that. Like in the days of Noah, what happened in the days of Noah? Yeah. And then what happened? Flood. So let me ask you this. Did the flood save people or destroy people?

Yes, is the right answer. Yeah. And you were coming to that, Ron. Yes. Yes, is the right answer. It destroyed the world system, people who loved it. And it saved the remnant, the elect of God. And the water did both.

People don't see it that way. But look, God, Jesus said it's going to be the same way in the end time. So I want you to hang on to that for a minute, because these people that just want the rapture to happen before the tribulation, they're not understanding that that Noah and his family didn't get plucked out of the world to avoid the flood.

They were saved through the flood. They were saved in the flood. They were saved during the flood because they were in Christ, which the ark is a picture of Jesus Christ. They were protected. They weren't removed.

Right. Now, keep that in mind as we study these things, because that doesn't fit the theory of the pre-tribulation rapture. It doesn't fit this. It's not like it doesn't fit as in the days of Noah because it didn't happen like that in the days of Noah.

It happened a different way. And Jesus says it's going to happen the same way as it did in the days of Noah. All right. So look at this. Very interesting. First skip. I should have had that pop in later.

So don't read that. Now, what's everybody doing? They're reading that. OK. First Peter three eight. This is a very interesting passage. I call this a church Christ verse. If you're from the south, you know what I mean, because they don't believe in eternal security and all that stuff.

And they believe you got to get in their water. See, we have a bad history hidden back there and we pull that up and baptize people. But that's not good enough for the church of Christ in this part of the country.

You have to get baptized in their water or you go to hell. You think I'm kidding? No, I'm not kidding. That's one of their conditions of salvation. And they'll use this verse to prove it. Problem is they take it out of context.

So let's study the verse in context. And they don't do any word studies either on it, because if they did, it would blow away their theory. So we just do a simple there. That's why the word study was not supposed to pop in.

Yeah, it's going to be the big reveal. So don't look at that yet. All right. So first, it says, for Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust. That he might bring us to God now in this passage of first Peter, as in so many passages in the Bible, there is an us and there is a them.

And every time you see it in the epistles of Paul, you see it in the writings of Peter, John, all of pretty much the gospels, us and them, us is the elect. Them is the non elect us is the wheat. Them is the tares.

Us is the sheep. Them is the goats. That sounds like a text and them goats, right? Are you with me? It's the same here, us and them. So Christ was being put to death in the flesh, but he's quickened to the spirit that he might bring us to God.

You see that, right? By the witch will, he went and preached to the spirits in prison while his body was in that tomb. His spirit was down in Shoal, preaching to the Abraham's bosom side of Shoal, paradise, telling those saints who were Jewish saints, who had died that I'm about to take my blood and put it on the throne in heaven and turn it into mercy seat.

And you can come with me. That's the sermon he preached. Pretty cool sermon, don't you think? You would want to hear the shouting and glory to God that happened on that day during that sermon with or without music.

Didn't matter. A lot of shouting going on, which sometime were disobedient when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah. Now, think about this. Now we're talking about the days of Noah while the ark was a preparing where in few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Wow. Now see the church crosses, I see there you got to get baptized. Can't be saved without water, but that's not what it's saying in the original, because the word by is DIA. Now you can look at the word study.

DIA is the channel through which something happens. It can it's been translated through more than by. So it means through. So when you read it that way, eight souls were saved through the water. It doesn't mean from the water.

It means through the water. It doesn't mean the water saved them. It means they were saved while they were going through the water. It was the ark that saved them. Right. But the water, in a sense, saved them because it destroyed the world system that wanted to kill them.

So kind of all that's true. But to be specific, it means they were saved through water. You can also say that it's because of you can translate that because of or you can translate it by occasion of or by reason of any way you put it.

They were saved while they were going through that water. Now, I think that's a pick. Jesus said it's going to be just like that in the end times. So the church is not going to disappear from the tribulation, just like it didn't disappear from the flood.

It's going to be saved through it. Are you with me? It'll be saved through it. But in a sense, the tribulation will save us because in the end, there's going to be nothing but save people left. Nothing but save people.

And they'll usher into the millennial kingdom, 100 elect people only. Now they'll start having babies and some of them won't be elect. We know that because we know how it ends. But the ones that walk into it alive, including all those Jews that get saved and hundreds of thousands of Gentiles to get saved and walk into that alive, they will be elect chosen of God.

Once saved, always save the whole thing. Right. I don't like that phrase. But they do have internal security and all of that. And you say, well, where do they come from if the church got raptured? Had you haven't saved people left?

Well, because hundreds of thousands of people get saved at the second coming and the rapture happens. And as they see Jesus come across, they bow their knee and get saved. Hundreds of thousands of Jew and Gentiles.

But they missed the rapture. By a few minutes. But you know what? It's called the Holy. It's because the Holy Spirit didn't call him yet. Why? Because the Holy Spirit needed people to populate the millennial kingdom.

So he waited and called them after the rapture at the second coming. It's all one event. But as I showed you on the chart, it's not just one moment. The seventh trumpet has seven more things that happen that take days.

And during that time, there are hundreds of thousands of people saved. But the rapture happens somewhere right in there after the last Trump sounds somewhere after the last Trump. And we're taken up in our chains into our glorified body.

And we actually come back with Jesus on white horses and fight in the battle of Armageddon. But they'll be living, save people on the earth fighting, too. And they can be killed, but we can't at that point will be immortal.

I like fighting that way better, don't you? So there's a lot of benefits to this. The light figure we're into even baptism does also now save us. That's the Adelaide church, Christ, doesn't it? But the scripture, but the scripture knew God knew that people would use that to teach false doctrine.

So he put this next, not the putting away the filth of the flesh. See, that's not what water baptism does. Isn't that interesting that that's there? Makes it very clear. But the answer of a good conscience toward God is what water baptism does.

It makes your conscience feel better. It doesn't save you. But what does save you? Well, read it without the parentheses. Verse 21, the light figure we're into. Even baptism does now save us by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

So let's talk about spirit baptism, not water baptism. Isn't that interesting? Water is a is a picture of the spirit baptism that happens. All clear. But you do have to study a little bit, don't you think?

Including looking up the word dia. But there you have it. So that's how it's going to be in a sec in the second coming as well. We're going to be saved through it, not from it. First Thessalonians five nine is a commonly used scripture to prove.

I put that in quotes because you can't prove a lie. But to try to prove the pre-tribulation rapture theory, brother, Bill, you've run across this one. And all of us bought into this and most of my life, I believe this was a proof of it, because look what it says, for God has not appointed us to wrath.

Now, really, you notice I stopped verse nine and went to 11. I'm going to show you the context of that. But if you just read that, if you pull that out of context and I've had people use it a million times, thousands of times, hundreds of times trying to be truthful while I'm preaching here, hundreds of times my son Paul gets on me for exaggerating all the time.