October 26, 2018 Show with Fred Sloan on “Why is Prison Ministry Necessary?”

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day of October 2018.

I'm delighted to have for the very first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio

today, Fred Sloan.

I'm sorry, Fred Sloan, and he is an ordained minister in the Presbyterian Church in America, the

PCA, and director and evangelist for Prison Discipleship Ministry, which is

a ministry of the James River PCA Presbytery of Central Virginia.

And today he is going to be addressing why is prison ministry necessary?

We're also going to be announcing the upcoming conference at Knox Presbyterian Church in Mechanicsville,

Virginia.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Fred Sloan.

Good afternoon, Chris.

Thank you for having me.

It's always a joy to talk about the

doors God has.

Opened to reach the

lost.

Amen.

Praise God.

And so tell us about Prison Discipleship Ministry.

Well, we've been going a little over two years.

I mean, it started 10 years

ago.

I should

have been involved in them, and they set me up.

And once a month for about eight to nine years, I would go on Sunday in the

local Henrico County to

work in a full -time job.

I was ordained, but working a full -time job, and you go in often so tired and weary, but

it's something I just couldn't quit because I felt like it was

vital.

About two years ago, a group point in

our lives,

we're retiring,

and

one of

my other

friends is

retiring right

now,

and

we're

only

five

minutes in this

storm.

Praise

God.

Now

tell us about this event

that you are participating in,.

This conference at Knox Reform Presbyterian Church in Mechanicsville, Virginia, that

features Mr. Lowell Ivey speaking on the theme, From Prison to Pardoned.

Mr. Jeff Downs, who is speaking on From Drugs to Delivered, and you are going to be speaking on

Why is Prison Ministry Necessary?

That is going to be held November 3rd, 2018, from 9 a

.m. to 1130 a .m., and November 3rd, if you're wondering, is a Saturday,

and that's going to be held at the Knox Reform Presbyterian Church in Mechanicsville, Virginia.

Tell us about this conference.

Well, Jeff Downs is the new...

Jeff Ivey and Jeff Downs are pastors, and they both come...

They both are just a glory and a

wonder of

three

years

they

died,

and

so

he

was been

adopted

by

study and

read at

Greenville Seminary.

This

sounds

like a phenomenal

event,

and

once again, that's going to be held on Saturday,.

November 3rd, at Knox Reform Presbyterian Church, Mechanicsville, Virginia.

For more information, you can call 804 -779 -7608.

That's 804 -779 -7608, or you can also

email the pastor there at pastor at knoxreformedpres

.org.

That's pastor at knoxreformedpres .org, K -N -O

-X, reformed, P -R -E -S, dot org.

Well, now, since you are the URA, I should say, first -time

guest on SharpensIron Radio.

What we typically do when we have a Christian guest, and that is 99 of the time our guests

are Christian, we do have on occasion those that are not Christians for one reason or

another, depending upon what the subject matter is.

But since you are a believer, you are a first -time guest, if you could give us a summary

of your salvation story, the type of religious atmosphere you were raised in,

if any, and the providential circumstances that the Lord rose up in your life that drew you

to Himself and saved you.

Yes, I'd be happy to.

Lowell and Jeff both.

Have pretty dramatic backgrounds.

Mine is not very dramatic, as a friend of mine used to say.

I grew up in a Christian family, and I really can't remember a time when I didn't know the Lord.

And just to see that there are

acts of... it's easy to, in some ways, it's fairly easy to clean up

the outside of...

A

teenager,

and called

Divinity School in

1974.

I

wouldn't

recommend

this to anybody, but this is what I did... some

opinions, and I began to look around and ask myself, well, what do I believe, and where am I?

And I've been exposed to Dr. Sproul and other reformed thinkers, and I just realized this

is who I am, by one of our professors.

Oh wow,.

Yeah, I've interviewed David on, I think, three occasions at least.

No Place for Truth was definitely one of the books that I interviewed him on.

Or maybe...

I realized what theology was, and I began to study

ordination,

I've been

working churches where...

Praise God, and by

the way,

I'm

going to give our listeners.

The email address where you can ask your own questions of our guests today.

It's 63...

I was actually just about to give my phone number.

My email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail

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Please give us your first name, at least, as always, your city and state, and your country of residence, if you

live outside the USA, and please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private

matter.

Obviously, I could see a subject like this, why is prison ministry necessary?

I could see people automatically having personal and private matters they

want to ask about if they are former prison inmates themselves, if they

have dear close family members who are still in prison, or a number of circumstances

that could be surrounding this topic.

I can understand why someone might want to remain anonymous, but other than that, please give us at least your first name,

city and state, and country of residence.

Well, you have actually titled the theme of

your message at the upcoming conference on November 3rd the same exact theme that we

are discussing today on the show.

That is, why is prison ministry necessary?

There might be people who don't have that view.

They might have a view that, well, it might be a nice thing to do.

This is obviously a good and kind and compassionate thing to have as a part of your church.

They might think, well, wait a minute, this is kind of a strong term being used here.

Why is prison ministry necessary?

So, tell us why you believe it's actually a.

Necessary ministry.

Well, I agree with you.

A lot of people look at prison ministry, they're

intimidated by

it, and you don't

want to come to any of our meetings, and

in Jesus' command to go into all the work,

you know, he talks in one of the parables about how that

people are invited and they wouldn't come.

He said, go out on the highways and the hedges, go look for the weak and the poor and the broken, and

that's who these people are.

Sir Francis Schaeffer say that if he had an hour with a man, he'd spend 45

minutes convincing him that he's a sinner, that he has a

need.

The people we work with, we

teach a lot of theology, and in that theology, I

mean, and it begins to make sense of them.

A lot of these guys are, they've been in prison, this is the third and the fourth or

fifth time, and they're tired of that life.

They don't like being there, and they want to make a break with the

gospel and

without being on a high.

They're so hung

in, and that's

what by the inmates, and

they bring him

in the back

and kind of half asleep, or

maybe still

sitting

on the

front,

and

when we die,

we go

back to

nothing.

God, an answer

to him, and you know, your parents may reject you,

your wife may hate you.

Praise

God.

If you're

not

basically

to

Dennis Bullock, he says

a lot of times, he

says, you know, I only have one

sermon to the gospel, and

that's

with all kinds of

questions.

You read so often, you know,

Paul went here, and he reasoned with

it, and that's really what

we do.

We go in there, and we

reason

with it.

Well, I am so.

Thankful to God that there are men dedicated like you, men and women, who are involved in prison ministries,

and I am so honored and privileged to have you on today to discuss this.

We don't discuss this very often on the show, but we do from time to time.

In fact, one of my favorite interviews was

quite a while ago on Iron Sherpa's Iron Radio, where we interviewed a woman who

was tragically sentenced to life in prison for the accidental death of her

adopted son, which the charges were being laid against her that it was not accidental,

and it was a horrible circumstance that I am so glad that the Lord

saw fit to exonerate her, and she was released from prison.

And by the way, if anybody wants to look up

that interview that we have done on Iron Sherpa's Radio in the past, I will at

some point during this program give you the exact wording to put into the

search engine, because right at the second, I can't remember the young lady's name.

It was a couple of years ago that I did the interview, but I will definitely get you that information.

But you said something before.

You said something that was interesting to me.

You said that when you are speaking to prison inmates, you do not typically have to convince them

that they are sinners.

That's something that they were already aware of.

I find that interesting not only because I have heard in the past, and this may be

too much of a generalization or it might not even be true to your experience, but I've heard over and over again

that many, if not the majority of prison inmates who, when asked,

do you belong in here or are you guilty of the charges, you would hear the answer, no.

Now, has that been your experience?

Do people actually say that they are not worthy of being imprisoned and that they are

being overly punished?

They're being treated too harshly in their sentences and so on, and there seems to be some kind of a defense of their own character

and positioning, even before God Himself.

What.

Can you say about that?

Well, I would say

that in talking about spending 45 minutes out of an

hour, understanding of that,

it becomes a belief.

They know they have issues.

They know they have

problems.

Now,

when

you've

been

in

and

out of a

survey

because of

drug percent of

the

day

and those kinds of things,

it's not a

problem.

We

don't get a

lot

of pushback

down the

street.

We're bored.

No, no, down deep, I'm good.

I mean, that's what they're told.

That's what people...

Well, we have to go to our first radio break, our station break.

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We are now back with our guest Fred Sloan, and Fred Sloan is

discussing the theme today, Why is Prison Ministry Necessary?

He is an ordained minister in the Presbyterian Church in America known as the PCA, and

he is the director and evangelist for Prison Discipleship

Ministry, a ministry of the James River PCA Presbytery of Central Virginia.

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There are obviously different kinds of people in prison, just like there are different

kinds of people outside of the walls of a prison.

Not everybody is an identical cookie cutter of others just because they are in prison.

Can you tell us about some of the different personality types that you have encountered

ministering in prisons, and also perhaps some specific stories about specific

inmates and how they have either embraced the gospel after a time of ministering to them,

or perhaps continue to reject the gospel?

I know.

That I'm an expert on personality types.

I mean, you see all types of people.

Some are very quiet, some are very talkative.

I mean, they come in all different types and sizes.

Right, I'm not speaking.

About a clinical description.

I'm just talking about from your personal experience the different.

Kinds of people you've met.

Well, I think of one man in particular in his

late teens, early 20s.

He's in a very legalistic, fundamentalist type of church that really focuses on the

outside of the.

And he's now 52, and he's been in jail over and over.

And when he first came in, I mean, he came in because of drugs.

The last time he got out of prison, he told me, he said, and he was quite open with us.

He said, I got into a relationship with a woman, and I

knew I was sinning.

And I remember

him was very, very depressed to

be under

care.

He came back six, eight months there.

We just talked with him.

We said, sir, you know, God has a purpose.

You know, you failed to deal with this in a biblical way, but we talked

about what that looks like.

And your life is not meaningless.

God has a purpose, and he can take you here, and he can

use you here.

And he began to do that.

He just began to reach the other guys.

And there are guys now, he's gone on into the prison system.

He's looking at a 15 -year sentence, and we're trying to follow him, but it takes a

while to run or jail.

And he discipled and helped us teach and

disciple.

They're coming along now.

In fact, today, the class, the young guy that I mentioned, he was new and covered us with a lot of

questions.

The guy that, the first guy discipled, he was answering those questions.

And I remember him when he first came in.

He was hazy and, you know, he was new age and all, had all kinds of philosophies and

ideas.

And then he's, he's programs on the radio, good

preaching.

And he's just growing by leaps and bounds in the word of God.

So, you know, it's, again, it's a joy to see these guys get their lives

on track.

Some of them, this is the first time they met, they didn't know Christ at all.

But now they're getting their feet on solid ground

and ministering to other people.

And you say, why is it necessary?

It's teaching and encouragement for these guys.

There's a lot of evil around us, but

to have a godly man or a woman to go in there week after

week, you don't have to be a rocket scientist with theology to be a minister.

I mean, my, kind of my ideal guy is

a catechism and friend, and begin

to work through the catechism,

study the Bible,

and they

can grow.

Just

come in

there and change the

term.

They'll become, we

want

another.

Praise God.

We have a listener in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Bebe, who asks,

there is a classic passage that I know that you have heard recited many times from Matthew

25, and it involves the Lord Jesus Christ himself saying to the sheep,

I was naked and you clothed me.

I was sick and you visited me.

I was in prison and you came to me.

And then the righteous will answer him saying, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you or thirsty and give

you drink?

And when did we see you in a stranger and welcome you or naked and clothe you?

And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?

And the king will answer them, truly I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these, my

brothers, you did it to me.

And of course, he says the opposite to the goats, those that are the damned.

Do you think that this passage is teaching that it is the responsibility of each and every Christian to

visit people in prison?

Each and every one, but I think I would love to see every church take on that kind of a ministry.

We're in about

five and field.

We've got an open ministry

trying to do is to put a taste and a hunger in people's heart to begin to reach out.

I think people have

movies and television find

the reality to be quite different.

These guys are very humble.

They're very teachable.

They want somebody that has

a, he said,

I'm a

great physician that those that are well don't need a doctor.

And the guys usually laugh

and say, you know, I'm sick.

I need a doctor with these men.

They are the least that

families won't have anything to do with anything to do with

them.

They're really alone.

And where do they go?

We'll come in there week after week.

And if you don't know the answer, I'll get

back with you next week.

And you come back next week with an answer, you know, to have that kind of faithfulness, that kind of modeling

to these men in

Christ, Mr. Magnificent, our

real people.

Thank you, Bibi.

And keep listening in Cumberland.

County, Pennsylvania and beyond.

We have John in Bangor, Maine, who says, Chris, could the interview that you

had in the past with a former prison inmate be Hanna Overton's interview?

And she is founder of Sundeo Ministries.

You're absolutely right, John.

Thank you for looking that up in the Iron Trip and Zion Radio Archive.

Yes, if anybody wants to hear an interview that I did with Hanna Overton, she is the woman

wrongly accused and also wrongly convicted of

murdering her adopted child and has been released from prison

thanks be to the mercy and grace of Christ because the charges were overturned.

She was interviewed on July 27, 2015 here on Iron Trip and Zion Radio.

And she has a wonderful ministry of her own called Sundeo Ministries, S -Y -N -D -E

-O Ministries.

And you can find out more about her at Sundeo Ministries dot com, Sundeo Ministries dot com.

And you could find her interview on the Iron Trip and Zion Radio

website, Iron Trip and Zion Radio dot com.

Go to the search engine and you could type in S -Y -N -D -E -O or you could also type in her last name,

Overton, O -V as in victory, E -R -T -O -N, and you will find the audio link to

that interview.

Thanks a lot, John and Bangor Mane, for helping us out there.

Let's see, we have CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, who says, I have heard

from Christians in prison and also from Christians ministering in prison that

it is an abysmal situation, very often, with the chaplains that are

working there, because many of them, at least in the areas where I know friends

who are prison inmates and who are active ministry workers in prisons, there is a

tendency towards real extreme liberalism and apostasy amongst the chaplains,

ecumenical with people who are not even Christians, and allowing homosexuals

and people outside of the Christian faith to actively participate in the leadership of worship.

What can your guests say about this phenomenon?

I would say in general that that's true.

We don't, but we don't, nobody tells us what to say, what we

do.

I'd be happy to have us, anybody

contemplating on getting in, we like to go in with teams, and the reason for teams is that we like to go,

we want to be sure one week, and most of the time, both of us are there, but

nobody really constrains us.

Nobody tells us what we can or can't preach.

We call ourselves a discipleship ministry.

We're not in the chaplaincy ministry.

We don't want to be the chaplain.

We don't want to spend a lot of time arranging for Jehovah's Witnesses and Muslims and Roman Catholics

to come in.

We want to go in there and teach the truth.

We want to spend our time on teaching the truth, even if it's too

little to teach the truth.

We look and we search until we find a place

where

they respect us,

a situation in the prison where

there is some antagonism at the top.

God's protecting us.

God has

placed a

man, and so, you know, God's

protecting us.

We can only go there as long as God is there, but that protection is still there, and that's something we can be

thankful for.

The political element of it there, we have not found it

to be a major issue for us.

Well, what you have said and what the listener was asking about actually is

more proof of the need for ministries like yours.

If the prison system, and of course we can't say everywhere, but if the prison system seems to be saturated

with chaplains that are liberal or apostate, even though they may be delighted to have your

assistance just because it lightens the burdens that they have, there is a need for the true

gospel to be preached and declared and for true biblical counsel to be provided

and just true Christian love to be extended to inmates that would be in

contradiction to the false message and the false Christians that

saturate our mainline denominations and so on.

So, this actually proves a greater need for what you're doing.

Absolutely.

All you need to do if there's a prison, make a call and

see if you can speak to the chaplain.

And sometimes it's hard to get them to call you back.

Try another one.

Keep trying.

And God will open a door somewhere with a chaplain who will say, yeah, I could use some help,

PC, liberal, whatever.

But pragmatically, he needs some help, just people coming in.

He may view you as to help these people, but you know, you're there to give the

gospel.

And that's an open door.

And it all likely what you do, he won't care what you do as long as you show up

every week.

And I mean, you're not inciting riots.

I mean, you're just there teaching the Bible.

And, you know, it's

not always open immediately.

Sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't.

But just keep looking.

I mean, they're, I would guess, anywhere, you know, easy

driving

distance.

I might mail in a prison.

Jails are run by local sheriffs here in Virginia, and they are for people

over a year,

they're handed over

two kinds of

ministry.

You could really work your way through the shorter catechism,

because you're probably going to have a

year or two

of

these new

guys coming

in with what the

gospel.

Great.

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We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York, who asks,

Are you able to send a prisoner through the mail

any kind of Christian literature you care to?

I have heard people from different parts of the United States disagree over this issue.

What is the case to your knowledge?

Well, part

of the reason every prison, that local

warden, they have

tremendous problems with drugs, smuggling, all kinds of things.

Everything imaginable gets in there.

And they are copying being

corrections officers in prison.

They will talk to you when you go in for training.

You have to be trained by them.

And one of the things that they create, the Prison

Rape Elimination Act, they will talk to you very hard and long about

contact.

One of the things that is very important is to go in and listen to those things, take good notes, and

don't waver from what they say.

But just to show you the kinds of problems they are up against, one of the places we go when we first went in,

there was a chaplain there who would come in and escort us.

He was really outgoing and just seemed like the most wonderful guy.

And then, in

most places,

without permission, the

easiest

way we come

in,

I would put a little commercial out for Ligonier Ministries.

They have a tremendous support for prison ministry.

They have a special

edition of

the Study Bible.

You can't take hardcover books in.

It has to be a paperback book.

Again, because people hide things in it, like shanks.

A shank, if you don't know, is a knife that people make.

Four jails in prison.

And Ligonier, they make it available

to us.

If you contact Ligonier and ask them about their prison ministry, you can get those resources.

And you can have fun in general.

That's not without

reason.

There

are all kinds of

groups coming in.

That kind of thing is

not a

good thing.

Praise God.

Well, I happen

to know.

From, it was probably close to 18 years ago.

It was probably like in 2000 or the early 2000s.

I was regularly corresponding with a prison inmate who discovered my

church through a radio ministry that we had.

And he was in several prisons in upstate New York, including Sing Sing,

including Mohawk, and another one that I can't remember off the top of my

head.

But I remember I was allowed at that time to ship him Bibles.

And they were actually very expensive, leather -bound Bibles.

I don't know if that is still the case where they would allow that.

It might have been because of the specific prisoner I was sending those things to.

And it could have been just because, it may have been just because of the fact that it was

nearly 18.

Years ago that that was permitted.

I don't know.

Yeah, things are getting much more tighter, getting tighter and tighter.

I mean, since I started, we can't carry any kind of a handout with a staple in it.

Part of

that is they use staples to jam locks on

doors.

It's helpful.

You're not there to fight the administration.

They know much, much more about the problems and the needs.

So, you know, you want to follow prison

ministry.

It's run by a man named Mark Cassidy.

Mark Cassidy, I can't remember

exactly,

but he spent,

you can go

to North America website

and you can

find the link

to Mark.

And you

can, because another

ministry for the church

and who've known Christ, I'm mentoring

a man right now.

He spent 23 years in prison and he's out.

He came to know Christ and he's a

fireball.

I'm not there

to run his life, but I'm just

going

to

go with people.

And Mark

has a very active

come to

know

Christ.

I was in

that

room,

but

most

of these getting

involved with that, these

items, you know, for $10 or to

meet that need that

somebody might not

have a

calling

to

actually go in and open

that box.

And

that

guy needed that.

And that guy came to Christ vision of, you don't

Mars.

Praise God.

Let's see,

we have.

Here.

I just had it in front of me.

It's gone.

Oh, here it is.

We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania.

And Arnie asks, do you think that all too often even

Christians are guilty of the sin of pride and they don't get involved in ministries like prison

ministries because they wrongfully view themselves as superior to those behind

bars, even though they have never committed crimes that perhaps are worthy of putting them

behind bars.

They should always remember that we are all worthy of sins that should send us to

hell apart from the blood.

Of Christ.

Yeah.

I mean, you don't find hope by looking

inside

and often just today we ask him, you know, what's,

what was the great, it looks like drugs or alcohol and

sins, but what was the greatest sin of all in the garden?

It was a lady went over to a tree and took a piece of fruit and ate it, said, here, honey, have

a bite.

It doesn't look like sin.

You know, if I sometimes use the illustration, if you, um, you know, if, if I

work for a local TV station and I had a time machine and I gave you a TV camera and I sent you back there

and you filmed it, I mean, this is the source of wars and the source,

everything imaginable.

And you're, and I want to put this on the fish

stopped, you know, and this isn't just guys that

I've said this

dawn on them again.

It's just, what do you see there?

It's a lady going over to a tree and take it a bite and

set the root of that rebellion against the

word.

And you know, you can

be God by taking

this piece of fruit and

doesn't necessarily drug

deal on the corner.

It doesn't look like a drug deal gone bad

problem.

They got a good job and they got a

house at the Lake and you know, things are going well.

And I'm a good man.

I God's blessed me because I'm good.

They don't need Jesus.

They don't need God, but these men are, they're down.

They're out.

They need a dog.

I didn't come to call the guy who's got it all together.

I came to call the guy that needs that.

You know, if you have a pack,

there it's,

it's a

two edged sword

and it

pierces and

divides and

sold

such an

opportunity

in

the.

Hearts of people.

Praise God.

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I want to tell you about a man I have personally known for many years.

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Welcome back.

We are now in our final 15 minutes or so with our guest today, Fred Sloan.

As you know, if you've been listening, we have been discussing prison ministry.

The specific theme is why is prison ministry necessary?

Fred Sloan is an ordained minister in the Presbyterian Church in America, which is known as the PCA, and he's

the director and evangelist for prison discipleship ministry, a ministry

of the James River PCA Presbytery of Central Virginia.

If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

Chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name, city and state, and country of residence.

If you live outside the USA, we have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New

York, who says, could you give us a few practical steps on how we can begin a

prison ministry through our own church where we are a.

Member?

Great, that's a great question.

As we were at the break, I was just thinking of those kinds of

things.

Is there anybody in your church, I don't know

if you have sheriffs in New York,

but who runs the jails there?

You know, maybe it's the police department.

Do you know anybody in those departments?

It's a break that we got once we started expanding.

Pastor came to jail, you ought to get to know her.

And I went down and talked to her.

She said, I've been praying for this.

You know, look around and

found you some

deputy.

Find out, the way to get in

is to have a friend who can look after you, who will help

you.

And they'll kind of teach you the ropes, they'll introduce you to people, they will get you

inside.

The chaplains, you know, they may be theologically

way off base, but they're looking for help, that they would love to have

somebody like that.

There are even some pay people to work, and

I have a friend that

works from the government, and he's basically going in there, want

to be a part of it,

involved in study,

taking these classes, studying the Bible.

I mean, there's just all kinds of, I would look around as I've been

involved with this, kind of the faith for that

involved has been very encouraging.

There are a lot, there's some amazing stories of people.

There's nobody in your church that's already involved, maybe a sister church, maybe another

pastor, somebody knows something about it.

There's a gentleman, works maybe 10 minutes, I

can't imagine that.

But I mean,

that is a faithful,

he's just a faithful.

I know a lady that's been going to

the Henrico jail.

If you can find some of those people, and you know, connect with them, and learn from

them, or again, just my friend, he

was driving, he was on some business.

Man, we ought to

check on two days or so

while there, so you

know, make calls.

Praise God.

We've got Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.

And Harrison says, if you were going to give an inmate three

books other than the Bible,.

What would those three books be?

Think about that a little bit.

Catechism, maybe a good commentary on that.

You kind of caught me flat -footed there.

I would also include in those books,

they're not specifically written about how prison inmates are for them,

but it would certainly go hand -in -hand with the subject matter, I think.

One is the late Jerry Bridges book, Trusting God Even When Life Hurts.

I think it's a phenomenal book.

I've given that to many people who have been mourning the loss of loved ones.

In fact, every time that I hear about a close friend or family member who has

lost someone in death that they loved, I make it a practice to give them that book.

R .C. Sproul, the late R .C. Sproul, also wrote a book called Surprised by Suffering, and

obviously that is not specifically involving incarceration in a prison.

It's predominantly involving those suffering from either physical

illness or the death of a loved one, that kind of a thing.

But I think it still applies.

The content of these books are perfectly suited for that.

But thank you for the excellent question.

Of course, the catechisms are great, especially for new believers, or even

unbelievers that you're evangelizing, so that they can know the main, the primary tenets of the Christian

faith, because that's what the catechisms are for, to instruct people on the

things that are vital in the faith in summary form.

Well, I want you, before we run out of time, to have about five minutes, just uninterrupted,

where you could summarize the things that you most want etched on the hearts and minds of our listeners

before we go off the air today.

It's personal, a cup of cold water.

I mean, God puts a great

in Christ

together.

They knew that their lives had been a mess.

Seven, and the lady who comes, you

know, to her,

you see that in Luke.

He's got it all together.

He's the real woman who's,

Simeon is brought low, and she is, her sins, she goes away, her sins

are...

Again, don't be,

don't let fear of what might or could happen teach

in these, in the...

I used to teach in the public schools, but I'd rather be in here, because it's much more orderly.

People are much more well -behaved.

And in general, these places, they run a tight ship.

They're not going to put up for a lot of wildness.

And I've got people that when they do come, they want

to be told the truth.

And you don't have to shrug down to them,

lay it out there, just that's good news to them,

because they've been told all these things.

They're false.

You didn't come from nothing, and you're not going to go to nothing.

And what you do right now matters.

It's the way you can be right with God.

You don't find hope by looking at yourself.

You don't find hope by trying to tell yourself how good you are.

You find hope by looking to

Christ, God of eternity, the God of all creation.

You can be right with Him through Jesus Christ, through faith in Jesus Christ.

And that is the verse

from

Isaiah 57.

I'm the high and

the holy one.

I want people to come and

gain the circumstances of these men's lives.

It's a very humble place.

It's out of themselves.

Look at Jeff Downs.

Look at them.

These are ordained pastors.

And

mock

Jeff Downs.

And it's huge.

We would have anarchy, and we almost have that now anyway.

And it's because we're full of pride and arrogance.

We're really good.

We don't think we have need of anything.

Society has, and

they've got, they've

had, and

yet God, the greatest moment, the greatest

day of their life, given them,

He's put them in, I've

made a mess out of my life.

And I need, I need some help.

I need some help outside of me.

Hope is not in me.

It's at you, and I look to you and help me.

And just day

by day.

Timothy 3, 16, for doctrine.

And I use a simple little story.

He said, you know, it's used

the analogy of a train.

And then it said,

and reproof, reproof is, you know, there are trains in our culture that say, well, I don't want to take the

train track.

I'm going to go hard up the mud and up to my wheels in the middle of the

cornfield.

And that's where these guys are.

They're mired up to mud.

And so I said to him, you know, it's reproof says, you know, you're a train, you're meant to run on

tracks, but you're out there trying to cross the cornfield.

No wonder you're in a mess.

So it tells you, it comes to you and it's a cup of cold water in the face.

It's a rebuke.

But then it's for correction.

And correction says, okay, here's how you get out of the cornfield and back on the track.

And that's what the Bible does.

It teaches you how to get back on the track.

And then

it's, I took longer.

I, you know, I went through it

a little more detail.

Years of my life were when I was in prison before, because I came to know the Lord and

I got out of prison.

And I see now what you're saying, I'll

see what I need to do.

And I mean, I just melted right there because, you know, the word of

God, the word of God showed him where he was, what he needed to do, how he needed to get back on

track.

And, you know, I don't know where he went on there.

I don't know that I've ever seen him again because they come and go pretty quickly

or that shows the

praise God.

We have let's see.

Here.

We have Christopher in Amityville, Long Island, New York.

That's actually the town that I was born and raised in and spent many years in.

Christopher says, do you think that a common thing that goes through the minds of many

prison inmates is that they have an entirely too small concept of God.

They think that the crimes that they have committed are unforgivable and therefore they don't even bother

reaching out to Christ for forgiveness at all.

Yeah, I think, I mean,.

I think they're hopeless.

You know, there's a lot of hopelessness.

Call them and show them that it's not by your

righteousness.

You don't stand before God in your own righteousness.

You know, I tell them, I think it comes from James Kennedy.

If you stand before God and God said, why should I let you in heaven?

What would you say?

And I'll tell you the wrong answer.

Don't say this.

It's because I've been better.

I got out of prison and I made a lot of changes and I'm doing better.

I'm being good to my mother and I'm kind to my wife,

Christ.

I'm only here for one reason and that's Christ.

And Christ isn't found in you.

You look outside to him.

You look to God.

You look to Christ and the work of the cross outside of you.

Now when that happens, Christ comes into your heart.

He makes changes.

He fills you with hope.

You know, he makes changes, but that hope is always found by looking out, looking outward, looking to see who

God is and what he's doing and what he can do in my heart.

Because again, Christ loves sinners.

And if you're willing to say, God, this is the real me, like, I'm not going to kid you.

The real me is a mess.

And I need your help.

Amen.

Well, just don't forget folks that November 3rd, I'm sorry, 9 a .m. to 1130 a .m.

November 3rd at Knox Reform Presbyterian Church, the conference is being held featuring our guest

Fred Sloan and also Mr. Lowell Ivey and

the soon to be installed pastor at Knox Reform Presbyterian Church, Jeff

Downs.

And if you want more details on this conference, you can go to

Prison Discipleship Ministry, pdmin .com, pdmin .com.

And you can also go to the website of Knox Presbyterian Church there

in Mechanicsville, Virginia at knoxreformedpres .org,

knoxreformedpres .org.

Thank you so much, Fred, for being our guest today.

Thank you everyone who listened and wrote in questions.

I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives, and perhaps even this is especially for those in prison right

now, I hope you all remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior

than you are a sinner.

That's right.

Amen.

Thank you for having me today.

If anybody wants to.

Contact me, they can go to the website and be glad to

help them in any way.

Great.

Well,.

God bless you, brother.