Michael Brown, Benny Hinn, PC&D, on the Dividing Line

And welcome to The Dividing Line, my name is James White and my sincere thanks to the men of Gray Level. You're listening to our new theme song, which is all ours. In fact, it was really funny. Uh, who was it?

I'm trying to get twitter to come up via Hootsuite and Hootsuite just will not uh work for me now for some reason anyways. Um, yeah, it's dead. It will not it won't come up but someone uh on on twitter uh had had actually knew the name for that uh Theme that we had had before that we had stolen from youtube, which was free stuff.

Oh i'd gotten used to and then they named the name. What was it called? I forget what it was called uh, you knew it at one point but anyways, nobody else has that because uh, That was written for us and I just want to thank uh, the guys at Gray Level because it is so encouraging to me.

Uh when a group, uh that is uh made up of busy individuals who have much to be doing. Take their time to uh use their talents to do something specifically for us I think that's extremely exciting and we'll just have to play the whole thing sometime because it's uh.

It's actually what about two and a half minutes long I think something like that called scottish morning, uh is what it's called and uh that sort of fits some of us in the uh in the group, but only me anyways, uh, welcome to the dividing line.

I am um, got so much to do today and I Am feeling a little scattered to be perfectly honest with you, uh, because I have so much to try to get to in this period of time and um, Some of my technology is failing me uh, and I don't know why but um uh.

Ah great, so, uh, maybe just uh, none of us here at the ministry will be able to use that any longer. Maybe it's a blocked uh port or something. I don't know. Uh. That's uh, that's that's that's uh problematic anyway, um.

Yesterday on the line of fire, uh, michael brown, uh, yeah all. All every browser i'm using is saying non-responsive kill that page. So, uh, that's there. What's that? We're dead. Oh uh, there is. Oh, okay, that's that's red see red red saying there is no feed and uh, so, you know, he's yeah.

There is no feed for him. He can't listen at work. Oh, okay. Well, that's okay. Oh, okay. Nothing like getting started with uh with the the appropriate assistance here. Uh yesterday on on uh, Line of fire michael brown responded to the article that I had posted on our website.

Uh, you might want to if you're listening live. Even if you're not listening live if you're listening even on the podcast if you have the opportunity of doing this I have actually put up a um blog post today and it is uh Entitled uh materials it is titled not entitled it is titled materials for today's dividing line.

Which is really very imaginative on my part. But uh, there is a uh a video clip Again from kiev ukraine with uh, benny him and then there is the phillips craig and dean um Statement and believe it or not.

They are related. Yes. They they are related believe it or not. Uh, we'll we will hopefully be able to bring them together uh, but the um the uh the screenshot is Really interesting, uh, because you've got a guy halfway down.

He's going down hens waved his magical hand and and the guy's going down and you've got uh people strewn about the uh, the uh Platform already in uh in key places that have been uh slaying the spirit quote unquote.

Oh, there's even a couple people in the choir too that are that are down and out. And uh sort of I think he's just trying to balance everything out. Uh as to where everyone's laying I guess but anyway, uh we I may Try to play some clips from that.

Uh, I didn't have really the opportunity of looking to times. But there were some fascinating things, uh that we might want to look at in what was going on there. I want to respond to a couple things that michael said.

I um uh Basically, uh, I wrote what I wrote in response to a specific clip. Uh, and unfortunately, um, michael did not respond to the fact that I was specifically looking at benny hens, uh materials and his Activities on the stage which included uh waving his His jacket at people and knocking over rows full of people.

And his uh screaming at people and and yelling receive receive and. And all the the stuff that is just the standard benny hin stick even when it's being translated into other languages and. The fact that I was basically saying where does the bible Teach us that the anointing because he specifically said in the clip.

He said these young people didn't come to hear me preach they came to get the anointing. And the whole point of my article was that if we define things scripturally. If we look at the biblical definition of terms whatever is going on in these things is not the anointing.

Call it something else say well, we're just using that word because we like how it sounds. Just be honest about it. Don't say this is what the bible teaches the anointing is because that's not what the anointing is.

Now michael said well look jesus was anointed to do all of these things and therefore we should do the same things. Well, jesus was anointed to go to the cross, but we can't go to the cross. And the idea that well, you know.

If you're in christ and you do all the things that christ did well. Actually, he said you do greater things than these and what does that mean? He redeemed the world. So what does that mean? Obviously greater has to be a category thing.

It's not more miraculous. It's not more crazy. It's not more wild from the world's perspective. We see dead sinners coming to life all the time. That's called salvation. Uh, we we see the the sinful flesh being mortified by the spirit of god.

That's the the regular ministry of the holy spirit of god amongst us. And so what I was trying to say was look. Um when I watch this stuff when I see this type of stuff going on um. In fact, let me just ask you since it's on the blog.

Are you able to play that? No, you can't play something. It's on the blog. Can't play a youtube video. It's on the blog, huh? I could try. But it could have very disastrous results. Remember i'm taking baby steps.

We just exchanged a router out around here yesterday. Thou shalt not press it to the limit. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay um Hootsuite finally came up. Uh, that's nice. Uh, and someone's asking when it's on today yeah, I think that was a hootsuite problem because uh, Tweet deck popped right up for me.

So Yeah, well can't blame it on me. Uh, well, okay. Um. Anyway, uh the whole Emphasis of my article was not to give a Exhaustive treatise on the entire work of the spirit of god. My Point was to say here's benny hin saying receive the anointing receive the anointing receive the anointing and I go.

Where does the bible define the anointing as being? At a crusade. This isn't the local church, this isn't the the church which the pillar and foundation the truth. This is some extra church gathering.

Where money is not going into local churches going to something else? And here you've got a man I don't think that I am in any way shape or form misinformed that he is a millionaire. That he lives in luxury that he flies the world his own private jet.

Uh that he has a staff of many many people. Many of whom are running around this room at his commands. You get him you get him you put him there you put him. There put the take the key up here get rid of that security guy over there.

He is large in charge. And he is pretending. And I say pretending to control The manifestation the spirit of god by knocking people over and calling that the anointing and that's not What the bible says the anointing is and if you say it is show me.

Show me where the bible says that's the anointing even going to jesus saying he is anointed to preach good news. And open the eyes of the blind has nothing to do with what's going on in the benny hinn crusade.

I didn't see anybody with blind eyes open. I didn't see anybody raised from the dead. Okay, so. That's what I was talking about is if we look at what the anointing is. Then I asked what is the result of the spirit's presence in someone's life and and michael agreed with me.

He agreed with me that discipline and order paideia training in the sense of of being disciplined by the lord in in godliness that all of that is part of the presence the holy spirit of god, I Again, i'm just looking right now at the uh at at the screenshot Of what's going on here, I don't see order outside of benny hinn giving orders.

I see no communication of the gospel here. You're saying well that was that was earlier. I wonder why they don't post that that stuff. I mean It seems what people want to see. Are the people laid out on the on the stage and fallen over under the power of god and benny keeps saying the power of God's all over this person.

How do you know that? How do you know that because you see. It's not just christians that can do this non-trinitarians fall over in the spirit. There are mormons that talk about miracles they've seen.

There are are are spiritual manifestations amongst the muslims and the buddhists and the hindus. How do you determine the spirit of god? Isn't there something in the bible about discerning spirits? If this isn't specifically In and and and michael keeps saying well, well, you know when when people Repent of their sins they cry out to god for mercy.

I don't see anybody doing that here. I don't see anybody doing that here. I didn't uh where where's where's anything about the the gospel and about holiness, I I've I've got Ladies and dresses laid out on the ground that that's I don't know doesn't strike me as Orderly or anything of the kind there's a vast difference.

And see one of the major differences between a charismatic and a non-charismatic is the charismatic makes the primitive Immature state of the church normative for the entirety of the church of church history.

This was clearly done when michael pointed to uh Pentecost people thought they were drunk on pentecost. That's because they heard different voices. Not because the people were flopping around the ground.

Where is the evidence the apostles or anybody else was slain in the spirit and flopping around the ground? I see no evidence of that at all. What they didn't understand is how these people why these people were out and why they were speaking languages.

They didn't understand. Has nothing to do with they they were undisciplined and as soon as peter responds to his sermon is very disciplined sermon, isn't it? So if you take the day of pentecost if you take the very primitive church Prior to the writing of the new testament and say it's always going to have to be that way.

Then you cannot allow any type of maturing to take place in the church. And that's why it's interesting that michael cited Corinthians as here's what the new testament church service looked like. Why why go to corinth the church with the biggest problems in all the new testament why make them normative.

Well, because it would have been the same everywhere was it doesn't seem to have been the case in ephesus. Doesn't seem to be case in ephesus. In fact when we look at the letters to the seven churches.

What do we learn from them? There is a whole lot of discerning going on. Some of the churches are rebuked because they were not discerning and were allowing people to speak and to be active that should not have been Discerning.

But all of this is still during the time of the giving of scripture is there is there no proper an appropriate Place to go, you know. Once The canon of scripture is delivered. Don't you think it's going to make a have an impact on the on how the church functions?

From the charismatic perspective. I can't see how they can say that it would. But logically irrationally in biblical. I can't see how you can say how it wouldn't. Because if we agree That the period of inscripturation was a special time and that there's no more scripture.

Now if you believe that there's scripture being written in it. And if you actually believe when people say thus saith the lord, they really mean thus saith the lord. And that your bible is many many many volumes long then at least you're consistent.

But most of my charismatic friends don't believe that they actually believe the canon's closed. They don't believe there's any further revelation. Well, then you don't it's not really thus saith the lord.

Well, it's it's a different kind and that's where the problems start coming in that's where the problems are coming in because. Well a just in response to what michael said in response to me. Um I just don't think that what that my argument.

That I was presenting in reference to a specific benny hinn clip was really responded to he basically says well, you know um d martin lloyd jones Said that when the holy spirit brings revival the whole person's touched well, I don't disagree with that.

I just don't think that that changes anything about what the bible says. That the result is discipline in a person's life. How many of these people who are laid out on the stage? Are more disciplined in their spiritual lives as a result of having been laid out on that stage.

And how could they be because biblically? Historically. What we have taught is what what what do we how is worship accomplished? In the church, it is the ministry of the spirit and the word. You communicate god's truth, which is made alive in the heart of his people by the spirit of god every time.

That I lead the pastoral prayers At the church on sunday morning. I pray that the holy spirit Would gather with his people and make that time profitable for us and glorifying to god the father. We recognize we can do nothing outside of the spirit but the miracle of the spirits gathering with his people.

Is that we can have one message? We just went got into romans 9 we've been going through the book of romans past friday preaching the romans. I've been preaching through hebrews in the mornings and we just got into uh.

Into uh romans 9 and. So the last sermon was on the first few verses. Where paul says I I could wish to be accursed. For the sake of my brother and I have unceasing grief in my heart. We were talking about, you know, praying for for those that are that are lost and all those things are related to that.

So There's one message. I've ever noticed that one message can end up Ministering to all sorts of different needs in a congregation of diverse people. That's a miracle. That's a miracle. That's supernatural.

Now you may just see it so often that you get used to it, but it's supernatural the world doesn't it's uh, who cares? You know, it's just all uh, you know, whatever but that's a supernatural thing. But it is the word and the spirit and this the i'm not seeing the word here.

You may say oh the word was preached beforehand. But the word is not being preached here. There's nothing about the word here. And so I was responding to a specific activity and saying this isn't biblical.

This is not biblical. And by the way, he said he did this, you know, he was mike mike said to me. Or mike said about me, you know, he did this because I was on benny hinn. Well partly but the main reason honestly that I did this Uh was because I saw while I was looking at benny hinn stuff.

I saw key of ukraine. And i'm gonna be there next month. And so i'm like wow i'd like to be able to ask. The gentleman there was did it was anybody there? What's been the results of this and that's why I went to this was because i'm that's where i'm going um in in just a matter of weeks, so I wanted to be a little bit more prepared go ahead and pot, uh the computer up here i'm gonna if you're listening, uh go to uh, the uh the materials of the dividing line.

Uh, i'm just gonna fire it up here. I'm gonna skip through some things. I'll let you know where I am. And so you can see for yourself if you want. Um, but this is called uh, pastor benny hinn releasing the anointing key of ukraine.

So it's it's not the spirit of god that releases the anointing. It's pastor benny hinn. And by the way, the people who came here. Let me ask you a simple question. This is one of the this is one of the big issues I have.

Is is my charismatic friends take what should be the exception and make it the rule. Come expecting a miracle. That means it's not a miracle. If it can be produced. In what percentage? Of benny hinn's campaigns does this happen?

I want to know. Anyone want to guess anybody wanted in the chat channel? Uh want to guess percentage wise? What what percent in what percentage of benny hinn crusades where you've got the choir you got the music.

Whole thing set up in what percentage at the end. Do you have benny hinn? Walking around knocking people over with the holy spirit. Isn't that what's supposed to happen? Isn't that pretty much? Always.

If this was the spirit of god, it would be. And if it's a miracle, it would be a rarity. What you'd have. Is you'd have in the vast majority of the instances you would have the ministry of the word. He he it would be the ministry of the word.

It would be focused upon biblical exegesis and the communication of god's truth to god's people. That's what the spirit of god has given us in scripture. And it would not be stories. And tear-jerking stuff and somebody sitting at a synthesizer In the background doing the music thing to match benny's current tear-jerking story about sowing seed to the ministry.

All right. It would be serious biblical teaching and then if there was the Amazing time. Do you remember the time when? This happened. But you see the people coming here would walk out grossly disappointed.

If this didn't happen every single time the spirit of god on cue. And my point is what i'm watching is benny hinn and his staff orchestrating this. They're working it there are people in the audience.

That's starting to fall back at the right time. It is an absolute set up. Don't call that the spirit of god when it happens every single time. Don't call it the spirit of god. That's that's just blasphemy.

I'm, sorry, it's blasphemy so let's. Let's uh, let's look at this. I can't hear that. Well, very very very very very very very low. That means i'm proud I can be able to hear callers too. We've we've unplugged something.

It needs to be plugged in. Well, first of all, uh, we have I I think I can barely hear it but I I think. Uh, benny is singing here. And uh, we have everybody very expectant. Nope. It's still now i'm now i'm I can't talk to myself because now i'm i'm blowing my own ears off.

So, um uh, well, we'll have to skip that till we we didn't realize that something got gotten unplugged and uh, I can't hear uh, what's coming through the soundboard anymore. So we'll have to fix that.

Uh anyways, well, uh, if you listen to the rest of it if you watch the rest of it You will see uh. That again, benny hin is very much in charge. He's giving me that person that lady in the orange. That guy right there and as soon as they come up, I mean he barely even gets up to them and they're Falling over the all over the place.

There's nothing about about forgiveness redemption justification holiness repentance. Zip zero nada. It is all a show. It's it's all a hyper emotional show. It's so very clear. Put him over. No, no move him over there.

No put him over there. You know put them so they're spread out where they should be. I'm, sorry. Um. Once you start doing that and once you start doing the thing with the with the coat and start knocking people over um That's no longer even close to what the holy spirit Uh is is all about not even not even close not even close now.

Here's what I want to get into and time's passing us by. I'm sorry. What michael said on the program was well look i've really taken a lot of heat for going on the benny hin show and I Just started down.

I I only managed to get one program downloaded. Uh this morning. Um I was I was complaining about how slow the feed speed was and somebody in channel said, um Uh, you need to sow your seed to get a better speed.

I haven't sowed any seed that direction. So I guess that's why I didn't get but um Michael basically was saying look I prayed about this. Uh, this was a great opportunity. In fact, here's here's uh, here's.

He kept saying remind me about the nineveh thing remind me finally got around to it in the second hour. Let's listen to what he said in the uh in the second hour and uh I've heard it before so maybe i'll be able to hear enough of it to be able to respond to it.

You know, there's some people very upset with me for being on benny hin's broadcast and they love me. They respect my ministry and they think very poorly of benny hen and they tell me I shouldn't do it.

Of course, I did not want to offend anyone. Did not want to give more fuel to the fire those who are really critical and certainly not Upset those that Love the ministry we're doing and think that it was compromised to do it again.

I've shared the reasons for the prayerful informed reasons nothing to do with ignorance or lack of discernment, but rather Prayerful informed decisions for doing it. But has it dawned on you aside from the open door to get to know benny hin better and interact with him?

Hopefully in a fruitful way. Has it dawned on you? That i've been able to speak to. Perhaps 20 million people I might not speak to otherwise. I was reflecting on the book of jonah where jonah gets mad because the minovites repented.

And then he gets mad because god makes a plant appear get him out of the sun and he sits under the shade and as he's sitting under the shade, then the thing dies quickly and he gets mad and and uh. Well, you know what happens god says.

You're upset about the plant. What about these hundred twenty thousand minovites? They didn't know their right hand from their left now. They were idol worshipers. They were guilty in god's sight and yet they were ignorant.

Their people have actually said on social media benny hidden's audience is so spiritually dull. They wouldn't recognize the true gospel when you brought it. What an ugly comment. What a horrifically judgmental comment.

What an arrogant comment. And it it's it's almost like in a different way that attitude of jonah. Now, by the way, i've been interacting earlier in the broadcast with dr. James white. I am not putting those words in his heart or mouth god forbid.

And in fact as a calvinist he would believe that many of the viewers were destined to salvation by god but. You know, we we have to rejoice in the good. There are some people that were gloating when benny hen's wife divorced him a few years back and then were upset.

When they remarried and reconciled how many couples do that? What kind of attitude what kind of attitude is that friends? Regardless of what you think of me or him or john macarthur or anybody else? What kind of attitude is that if we call ourselves followers?

Of jesus. So there. Well, we got our sound back, uh right in the middle of that so I hope you heard this. I hope you heard the beginning of it. Um, but uh, that probably means I would I would be able to uh, see the uh Materials or the uh the stuff here.

Let me just uh see real quick. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Yeah, it looks like one of our compressors bit the dust really. Yes, if you look right around 350. You can watch him he said find the woman in the in the orange in the orange.

And then and then he's bringing these people up knocking them over here comes the lady in the orange. She's gone. I I don't know what these guys get paid who are uh. Running around the stage running out of the audience grabbing people.

Oh there. He just threw the spirit and the guy looks like he has epilepsy now um. Oh and then and then there's tongues. Then wait a minute. Where was the interpretation? Where is the interpretation? There wasn't any interpretation given but nobody cares because everyone's raising their hands and they're playing the guy is about to.

That keyboard is going to explode, uh in any any point in time. Uh, this is the stuff that's that's going on. All right, look um Nineveh. Are we are we displaying a Jonah spirit? We're angry about the gourd and uh, not the 120 000 that don't know their right hand from their left.

Uh, here's a couple things. Basically. What I heard yesterday from Michael was look i've had a bunch of people that are close to Benny Hinn saying He's not teaching the stuff that he's been accused of.

Um, he's not teaching um. He's not teaching word faith. He's not teaching prosperity. He's not teaching that. Um, Jesus died in hell uh, he's uh He's teaching a good sound message now. And because I was told that we had some ministry graduates that are very close to him I trust them and so Why not be able to come alongside help this individual out, uh, if he's if he's changed his ways.

Then maybe we can make him even more sound. Okay first of all We have to recognize that if we're going to call people to repentance We have to leave a way open for them to repent, right? So Anyone who's called for Benny Hinn to repent.

If you just close the door on the possibility of his ever doing so. Then your call for him to repent isn't much of a call to repent, is it? So you've got to leave the door open. But here's my question.

Um, what would that look like? What would repentance look like. If if Benny Hinn if all these clips on youtube Where it's so in the seed and and all the rest of stuff if if that stuff represents the old Benny Hinn back then.

What would it look like? If Benny Hinn Decides that he's been wrong. And he gets good counsel and he repents. Of his false teaching because I I would think Michael would agree that it's sinful to teach falsely.

I'm not talking about perfectionism here. I'm not talking about having an argument about Eschatology with somebody certain kinds of eschatology certain opinions in eschatology. We're talking about fleecing the flock.

Pretending to toss the holy spirit about. There are serious accusations of misdeed in ministry specifically adultery. Now sadly this morning and someone in channel posted what was actually put on the website blamed it all on Benny Hinn's wife.

Which did not encourage me in any way shape or form but The interesting thing is this thing in ukraine took place during the period of his divorce. Did did he step down? Did he step aside? Did he stop ministering?

Did he stop throwing the holy spirit around like a beach ball during that period of time? Doesn't seem to have happened. What would repentance look like? If you were a prosperity teacher who Decided Became under conviction of the holy spirit.

And repented of your prosperity teaching. What would it look like? Let me let me use some examples um Michael brown and I have debated. He mentioned this have debated those who deny The deity of christ and the jesus the eternal son of god if anthony buzzard Were to become convinced that we were right and he was wrong.

What would we expect anthony buzzard to do would we expect him to just continue on his ministry. Continue on with the same name of ministry. Not post anything about it. Just sort of start changing the emphasis of his statements.

I don't think so. We would expect some kind of of open clear Announcement and denunciation of one's former position. And saying, you know I have come to realize That the bible clearly teaches That jesus christ has eternally existed as god.

The doctrine of the trinity is not just something made up by men. My I repudiate my books wherein I said otherwise. They'd be withdrawn. There would be clear statements that as soon as you hit the website, they would say This is what anthony buzzard now says right?

That's what you'd expect. Right. Let's Make another application that's even more relevant. If you scroll down On the materials for today's dividing line, you might want to download the png and expand it.

Otherwise, it's uh, really hard to see. But there is a png there's a pdf version on the web on the um web as well. And this is the statement signed by phillips craig and dean. Now those of you who are not familiar with this Whole thing if you put in phillips craig and dean and trinity in google.

The first page will almost be completely alpha omega ministries materials because Back in in the last century. In the last century right at the end of the last century I became aware of the fact that the men in phillips craig and dean came out of Or were still parts of churches that were not trinitarian they were influenced by oneness pentecostalism.

And uh, I wrote articles about this. Eric, nielsen wrote an article on uh, that's still available in our blog. If you just put in Uh pc and d or phillips craig and dean these these materials will come up and you will see them coming up in google.

The Statement reads as follows. Dear friend in christ. We appreciate your taking time to ask our ministry about doctrinal concerns. Specifically phillips craig and dean and their belief in the doctrine of the godhead and the trinity now.

Check out the next paragraph. Unfortunately, there were articles written many years ago that aggressively labeled the members of pc and d as anti-trinitarian. These quote internet rumors end quote have been hurtful not only to our ministry, but to the body of christ in general.

It should be noted that the church is led by the members of phillips craig and dean are three independent non-affiliated Non-denominational christian churches that are served by each individual church's vision Eldership and presbytery.

Phillips craig and dean fully acknowledge their past denominational affiliations and are grateful for their heritage. Which is a non-trinitarian Anti-trinitarian heritage, by the way, however, they reject the teaching of modalism aka sibelianism.

Although none of the members of pc and d are affiliated with any denomination. Collectively the ministry of phillips craig and dean affirms the statement of faith the southern baptist convention. And then you have the url to the baptist faith and message of 2000.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact our management office at. And then you have the signatures randy phillips sean craig and dan dean now. As I said last week I really really really would like to hear that phillips craig and dean Are trinitarians.

That statement doesn't say that. I wish it did. I wish it did. You see for quite some time, uh material has been available. Um. Randy phillips, for example. There is a book called the inquirer's handbook.

A book of basic doctrines published by randy phillips ministry the world of pentecost. And if you read it, it is thoroughly 100 modalistic. Not just in regards to well quote. Uh, one of the primary sources of confusion.

This matter is related to the word persons the doctrine the trinity states the father son Holy ghost are three persons who make up one god in actuality. The father son holy ghost are three manifestations of one god.

The word manifestation means to appear and it is quite scriptural. The bible tells us god was manifest into flesh first. Amen. 316. Remember who else utilized the exact same terminology just a couple years ago.

In a thing called the elephant room. A man by the name of td jakes Said i'm not real big on that word person. You know god was manifest in the flesh. Remember that and if you keep reading from randy phillips writings the inquirer handbook.

In other words god appeared in the flesh as a son the father son Holy ghost are simply three manifestations of one god. You yourself may be manifested as a son to your father. A husband your wife and a father to your children as an individual person to be manifest in various ways.

And likewise almighty god is manifested as a father a son and a holy ghost while he remains indisputably undeniably one that is classic historic modalism. And there's much more he goes on To talk about for example.

The inquirer's handbook says since the death of john the other 11 original apostles many concepts and teachings have arisen. That do not necessarily coincide with the one god teaching the early church.

In year 180 ad tertullian began using the term trinity from which was born the catholic doctrine of three gods co-equal and co-eternal and Co-existent. That's not what the doctrine is. But anyways, the roman emperor constantine year 83 25 incorporated the doctrine of the trinity into the catholic church.

Which of course is false where it has remained ever since and most protestant churches have accepted this doctrine without thorough examination. Which is likewise false the trinity However generates confusion is not in total harmony.

The scripture is to say that there are three separate persons that somehow compromise one god is like trying to connect Opposing sides of two magnets magnets when you add one plus one plus one. It must equal three and there cannot under any circumstances be more than one god.

That is historical oneness pentecostalism. There's no question about that. All right now. So we ask the question Does the statement that has been put out by philips craig and dean? Look like what you would expect from someone Who has gone from believing what I was just reading to you, which is from?

Randy phillips. We can give you quotes from craig dean's church, uh, etc, etc. From uh, not craig dean's church, uh dan dean's church. Do does that statement? Sound like someone who has a passionate deep commitment To the glory of the triune god.

I just simply ask the question. I want to believe that they're trinitarians now. But they didn't say they're trinitarians. They said they reject the teaching of modalism aka Sibelianism. Well, what does that mean to them?

We already saw that randy phillips had no earthly idea what the trinity was just a few years ago. Does he know today? And if he didn't know what the trinity was is he defining modalism in some other way than It's done historically, I mean if he thinks that constantine uh Put the trinity into the catholic faith in 325.