Responding to JD Greear and Others, Tisby & Vischer, the Big Picture

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Responding to J.D. Greear and the Kamala Harris Controversy

Uh want to respond to just a couple hours ago the posting of a statement by J .D. Greer the sort of president of the Southern Baptist Convention not really legally but um because this is three years now and uh it's only supposed to be two and COVID came along and they decided just to punt on that.

I think that was really a bad idea. But uh anyway J .D. Greer posted this on Twitter. I realize that some pastors are likely unaware of the history of certain racial stereotypes in calling or comparing our vice president to Jezebel but that doesn't make such statements any less unwise.

There are times we will critique policies but that should not include personal attacks on a newly elected notice personal attacks on a newly elected official. God has told us to honor and pray for let us speak clearly and boldly for righteousness but in a way that honors what the scriptures say about honoring our leaders.

We don't correct one sin through another. So it's hard to avoid the conclusion that Dr. Greer uh the president of the convention believes it is sinful um to do what uh myself and uh Dr. Tom Buck have done and others have done.

And that is to make the argument that the worldview that is motivating the new regime and that is seen explicitly in Kamala Harris in her positions on the key issues in regards to human life that is everything that God has said in his word about what mankind is the origin of mankind the transcendent value of mankind being made in the image of God the reality that in Jesus's own words in Matthew chapter 19 from the beginning God created them male and female hence the issues of homosexuality lesbianism marriage polyamory bisexuality and of course now the explosive letter in the alphabet soup of moral degeneracy the T transgenderism which truly destroys everything that comes before it because you can't really define any of the other letters once the T is included because all the other letters assume a gender binary to be even defined relatively in a relatively meaningful manner.

She has made her position on all these issues very plain and they are all in direct opposition to biblical revelation biblical morality the historical perspective of this nation and its laws. And I haven't even touched on abortion.

I really did when I talked a little bit about the image of God but abortion the infant born alive act any any limitation on abortion up to the point of birth itself. She has made her positions known. Impartial organizations identified her in 2019 as the most leftist senator in the United States Senate.

We can't talk right now about how in the world she ended up as vice president United States. But what we can talk about is the fact that there are people saying well look isn't this wonderful. We now have a woman vice president who is not white.

She's not a descendant of Europeans. She has a very mixed ethnic heritage not african-american despite what people would like to say that's not where she's coming from ethnically wise. And I think it's just so stupid that we're even talking about that part.

But she's the one forcing it on us and the worldview that she presents. So people are saying we should look up to this person who has broken the glass ceiling glass ceiling of what. Well women were only wait what women.

But her worldview says that a guy with male anatomy enough testosterone to run a diesel truck who has to shave three times a day can call himself a woman. And we have to treat that guy as a woman and even memorize whatever whacked out pronouns they want to force upon us to use for them.

That's her worldview. And so a lot of us have said wait a minute. It doesn't matter what her gender is it doesn't matter what her ethnicity is. Character matters. And character is determined by how you live your life and by what standards and a standard that says there is no male or female.

There are 148 genders. Marriage isn't between one man and one woman. It can be any mixture of things. Life in the womb is not sacred. It can be destroyed by any means at any time even without parental agreement.

All of those beliefs are morally evil. And as a result they will bring god's judgment against the person who acts upon them and promotes them to others. This was not a controversial christian position even 10 years ago even 10 years ago if i start off a program with what i'm starting off now people have gone.

What is what's with him. Like duh. But now you're being called sinful by the president of the southern convention. If you dare go you know we might not want to point people to kamala harris as an example for our daughters because the worldview that she is promoting is destructive to any meaningful society at all.

Oh you terrible person. You're supposed to pray for our leaders and honor them. Really. So what you think paul was saying in first timothy chapter two or what peter was saying is that we should honor the worldview of nero caesar the beast of the book.

No take that one. Um you're to honor that. Well no. Well that's what we're talking about. We are talking about the fact that there is a worldview that is out front. It isn't hidden. It's not being secretly snuck in around the back.

It's straight up front. It is motivated. How many executive orders now over. Is it over 30. Yeah i think it's over there. Some ridiculous number. I think it's getting close to 40. It is behind all of that.

And when when the so-called equality act i call it the abomination act. And i think it's an appropriate term when that act comes before the senate it's already been passed by the house when that act comes before the senate let's say that somehow amazingly of all the republicans actually maintain some type of a spine.

There are three of them that anyway um wouldn't it be wonderful if a couple of democrats grew a spine on on this. But that's probably not gonna happen either. But let's say it came down to 50 50. Guess who's guess who's casting the tie-breaking vote kamala harris.

And what has she already told us she will do. She will force this abomination this violation of every element of god's law. This this law that every single one of the founders who created the declaration of independence and then crafted the constitution would have found to be an abject invitation for god to rain fire and brimstone upon this nation.

She will vote for it. But we live in the day where as vody balkan said i think it was last weekend when when he was speaking for him the 11th commandment is thou shalt be nice. Now the 11th commandment among southern baptists is thou shalt not speak against fellow southern baptists but thou shalt be nice.

And our culture defines niceness as going along to get along. Well the fact the matter is the left if you have if you have not recognized that they are on a full bore scorched earth. This is our chance to get rid of this thing called the constitution and all the opposition and establish one party rule that will then allow us to hand the keys to the ccp.

And they'll come through san francisco because san francisco i think is actively inviting them. Just if if chinese troop ships showed up off of san francisco i think they would set off fireworks and welcome them with with with open arms.

I really do. I mean did you see i listened to al moeller this morning talked about the san francisco school board removing. Was it 42 names. 42 schools are going to rename. No more george washington no more abraham lincoln.

All any founders whatsoever gone. They're even taking. Um what's her face. The current older i can see her. And the name just escaped me. The california senator. The senior. That's what happened to me.

That woman. Yes right. I know her both both rich and i are doing the old man thing right now. Feinstein. Ah they're even taking her name. You know why they're taking her name off. Because 20 some odd years ago she opposed a gay marriage ordinance or something even though she's for it now.

I mean there is zero mercy and forgiveness amongst the woke man. I mean you. You cannot stay far enough to the left to stay away from the buzzsaw of the social justice movement. You're you're toast. They're gonna take her name off.

I wonder what she thinks about that. She sold her soul for decades to promote leftism in san francisco. And she's still not far enough to the left. It's just wow. It gives you an idea of the going. But the point is you have in san francisco right now a total repudiation of american history.

Total repudiation of american history. We this is a place where people do not want to be americans any longer. And they're not. They're not. They are repudiating everything the entirety of the history.

Wipe it out. So i think they'd invite them all in. I really do. This is kamala harris's state. Okay that's that's where she's coming from. So you have this incredible immoral revolution flowing across the land.

And what are big eva's leaders concerned about being nice in saying we disagree. Folks. The time for saying we disagree is long past. If people don't know by how you're living and by how you're proclaiming the gospel and calling for repentance from an evil nation that you disagree.

Oh so they always want to uh let us speak clearly and boldly for righteousness. But let's just not do it like the prophets did. Let's not even do it the way jesus did it. Jesus took jezebel. The jezebel and i preached on this sunday night.

The reason i preached on sunday night was not simply to uh double down or anything else. I had written the article that appeared on the theology matters blog in response to danny aiken. And danny aiken's anemic little uh statement were talking.

He was responding to the religion news article about again jezebel. Disappointing and uncalled for. I do not agree with potus and vp on many issues. I am so tired of this. I thank you very much for informing us as christian ministers that you do not agree with the people who are 1 000 committed to the destruction of marriage destruction of human sexuality the destruction of the human being as a whole the destruction of human life in the soul in in the womb.

Um gender i mean. So thank you for letting us know. You don't agree with the anti-christians. We sort of guessed that if that's all you can do then why are you. Why are you bothering. As i said in the article don't waste the keystrokes.

If that's all you can do. I don't hear these guys. Where's where's the sermon from jd gert. Remember he's the one that says god whispers about sexual sin. Where is his sermon. Identifying the equality act as an abomination from the pit of hell.

Don't tell me he doesn't know what testosterone does to a 13 year old girl's body. Don't tell me he hasn't taken the time to read irreversible damage and read the descriptions of what happens to a 13 year old's body when you inject her with testosterone for weeks on end.

Aside from changing her voice making her chin broader there are certain female parts that atrophy and may never recover. Where's the sermons about the moral evil of that. These guys are dads. They have daughters.

What are you doing. Man up man up. I don't see him talking about that. I don't see them talking about the horrific results that this worldview is going to have on men and women especially women. It is such an anti-woman worldview.

That's what. That's the that's what was behind the original statement. Why would the israelites say to their daughters emulate her. Why would any christians say their daughters emulate kamala harris when kamala harris's moral worldview is fundamentally opposed to being a woman.

That's the irony of the whole thing. Where where has the moral clarity gone. Well i'll tell you where it's gone. We now call people to repent. But don't tell them what repent of. We're scared to and on our side.

Because we know it's going to cost us. And once the equality act passes it will cost us. It's costing us right now. With the big corporations that are getting rid of everybody you could lose your job kick get kicked out of social media not be able to communicate.

Who knows. Maybe your bank will stop processing your payments. That's happening. But now when the government gets involved and makes it part of law. Well now now you'll be forcing the lesser magistrates the police officers to come along and to enforce proper groupthink.

A groupthink that's exactly opposite to what jesus taught us. Why aren't you people on the front lines fighting this stuff. You really think they're gonna let you slide just because you tried to be nice.

They're not going to guys. They're not going to. You may get to the gulag a little bit slower than the rest of us do. But you're still gonna get there. And you're gonna get there compromised. But let me mention something else.

I realize that some pastors are likely unaware of the history of certain racial stereotypes. Let me stop you a second. Where do we start here. We start with biblical examples biblical revelation. Now there could be 20 different uses of the jezebel character in cultures and histories around the world that i wouldn't know about.

There could be who knows in somewhere in botswana or zimbabwe or something. There could be something over there. There could be something in thailand. Maybe they did something with jezebel at some point.

I don't know. Am i supposed to know. Does jd greer know. Has jd greer done an exhaustive study of all cultural references to jezebel based upon script the the distribution of the bible around the world.

No he hasn't. No he hasn't. And so the the idea repeated by numerous people in social media is. Well of course you know you're doing something more here. You can't really be so focused just upon this idea of the worldview that she.

But that's not all important. No that is that is the whole issue. And that's what allowed jesus the risen king of the church to take the references the reference to jezebel and apply it to the prophetess in the church of thyatira.

That's what made it work. Is that her sins were so well known the destructiveness of her sins were so well known that jesus parallels that and saying what he's going to do to this prophetess in the church jesus used as an example.

Didn't jesus know what racial stereotypes that might bring up in the future. He was god. He would know those things. Wouldn't he. But he still used it because it was appropriate. Because you're only gonna be judged for what your intention was in your words in making application in that context.

And what i'm gonna say now and i will not apologize for is that the worldview of this current regime. And the worldview that will moderate kamala harris in however it's done in the united states senate today she has been put in the position we can have an honest discussion as to how in the world she got there.

But we can. But she's been put in a position where when a fundamentally destructive rebellious piece of legislation comes before that body and if there is a 50 50 vote what will motivate her hand in reaching forward to make the deciding vote.

And is the worldview that motivates that hand that has been seen in every vote she took in the united states senate in every action she took as the attorney general of the state of california. Yes good old communist california.

What has motivated the movement of that hand. Is it not the very same worldview that brought jezebel to her destruction that god prophesied would take place. If you're going to make an argument you need to say well no.

I mean jezebel. Jezebel brought but all worship into israel. What do you think. Bowing to the current culture in regards to transgenderism is is that not idolatry. Of course it's idolatry. She taught jezebel brought sexual immorality.

Yeah. You want to talk about gay marriage want to talk about homosexuality want to go there. See they won't. I everybody who's done this stuff. Um um todd harding went after me uh sunday night just claimed he was watching the sermon but then completely misrepresented it.

So it just gives you an idea of what wokeism does to people. But i said it was just bashing government and stuff like that. The reality is these folks cannot provide they cannot engage in actual dialogue on this subject.

Danny akin can't jd greer can't todd harding can't. You know why. Because it would require them to openly recognize and acknowledge the fundamental parameters of the worldview motivating the biden harris regime.

And once that's on the table in light of scripture it's done. It's done. It's all over with. They can't go there. So we get the the ubiquitous. Well you know. Um i don't agree. Um or we we need to. We will critique policies.

We will critique policies. Thank you dr greer. There are times we will critique policies. But that should not include personal attacks. Oh so if you identify kamala harris's worldview as containing the same elements of rebellion against god that brought jezebel to her destruction.

And that here you have a woman in position of power using her position of power to bring destruction to a people. But you just want to critique policies. What would jd have said when the prophecy was given as to what was going to happen to jezebel.

Now lord now lord. That's a little extreme. That's where we are today. That's where we are today. We're actually being told you. That's that's sinful. You're engaging in sin to even warn her that there will be judgment coming for what she has done.

Part of it is i don't think most of these people think honestly believe that government officials are going to be judged for what they do as government officials. I think that has become so much a part of the thinking of much of evangelicalism that they're that myth of neutrality.

It's i don't. I just don't think they actually believe it. I just don't think they actually believe it. Uh-oh looks like the rich cans we got but getting fired up. Hey you and i are both wearing plaid shirts on the same day.

How about that. Is that. And we're both doing the same thing we got. Yep that that we didn't plan. That we did not. No we did not. So my question is why doesn't jd greer why doesn't danny aiken why don't these men consider where their feet are planted when they stand before god.

Exactly what kind of judgment comes from them. If we look at romans 1 and we look at the end there's something about the ones who give hearty approval and they he can sit there and say well we know we disagree here and we disagree there.

I'm sorry. Yeah. Their response is oh i don't give approval. Yeah. I just think that there is a a better way to disagree. And it's like it's there are issues of agreement and disagreement. And then there are straight forward acts of rebellion.

Yeah. And that's what we're talking about here. And i i i read the man's words. I read both their words and i see someone who however you want to categorize it the fact is his feet are standing in the same place hers are.

There is compromise up one side and down the other. And he's more spineless than mitt romney. Frankly in my oh oh sorry. Oh it's oh ouch. Did you see did you see the article that mitt romney has an 84 approval rate amongst two utah democrats.

He has a higher approval rating amongst utah democrats than he does utah republicans. Yeah. So likening anybody to mitt romney. I hope you're ready to answer the phone. That's all i'm fine with it. I'm fine with it because this this is mealy mouth this is so weasel.

This is this is this is the politician who's more than happy to stab the outgoing army. That's being driven out in the back while they're going out because hey we're welcoming the bad guys come on in.

You know. And then they get driven out. And what. Oh gee you're you're upset with me. You're angry. Um wow. I do not know how anyone and i made this comment to someone today. I don't know anyone tries to balance being political with being in the ministry in a day when what is needed is a clarion warning to this culture.

The road that you are firmly setting your feet upon will lead to destruction. God will not be mocked. You have profaned his ordinance of marriage. You have profaned his creation ordinance of male and female.

You have profaned the sanctity of the womb in which he says he knits us together. And god will judge every nation that promotes this sinfulness. You must turn from this sinfulness. And i just believe that a large majority of people have bought the lie that salvation and jesus.

Just some personal thing between you and god. It's you getting your ticket punched and going to heaven. This idea of jesus being lord and defining who man and woman is and how they're to relate to one another.

And what child birth is about and everything. That's all gone. That's all gone. I i don't know what these folks are preaching about on a regular level on a regular sunday. I really don't. Uh-oh one more time i think about all the times in the old testament where and the new king comes along and he did great evil in the sight of the lord.

And what's going on in the temple. They're dragging in the ashtaroth. They're dragging in the bales. And we're sitting back going. Uh you know i don't know necessarily agree with the ashtaroth and bale.

But you know. But hey the king said king said they're here. You know we can be. Uh you know we just double down double down. You know. They might actually help things out. Who knows. Give them a chance.

A 1967 Dragnet Clip on the New Morality

Hey i wanted to play this because this is this is really cool. Um i i i don't know how big i can get this. I really can't. Um oh wait a minute. Never mind. Copy link address. Go to youtube. Uh here we go.

Let's see if we can. Okay all right. I guess problem piercing. Hold on hold on hold on. And boom now i just wanted to play this. I wasn't gonna go that long on that. But i started preaching. But it is relevant.

This is from 1967. Now that means i i i remember watching dragnet. Uh i was uh four going on five. Uh when this initially aired. And we know how the media has been used as a mechanism for the destruction of this this nation.

But this was uh this was a long time ago. And i just want to play it just to remind us of where we once were and where we've gone. Did you see this. Okay. Okay here we go. What's your biggest.

Problem. Piercing all of them. Narcotics grand theft auto drinking shoplifting. We got them all. It's not just a problem of law enforcement. It's a community problem. Trouble is there's no community captain.

These people come piling in here from everywhere. They don't know each other and don't want to. They come out here make a down payment on the house and move in with a couple of kids. That doesn't mean they made a home.

No more than giving a name to a place makes it a community. Yeah. And you get a little weary of hearing every kid give you the same excuse when you tag them. You don't understand. I just want to belong.

That's why i did. It belong to what. What it boils down to is the new morality. Doesn't it a whole new sense of values. The kids see it on television and magazines even hear it from the pulpit. God is dead.

Drug addiction is mind expanding. Promiscuity is glamorous. Even homosexuality is praiseworthy. How are you going to fight that. It ain't easy. But you got to remember that the vast majority of the juveniles you're handling are the kids next door.

They're not hardcore criminals. It's just that. For them it's a great deal more important to be accepted by the other kids than to please their parents. Maybe if you put a couple of men on the lecture circuit talk to the schools.

The ptas.

I got 104 schools captain. I got 10 men. You got 12. Now 1967 man that was a great show. I mean just the facts ma 'am just the facts. That's right. That's right. That's that's a that's a very good uh.

Yeah just the facts ma 'am just the facts. Uh you couldn't get away with that today uh and and of course no one no one tries to get away with that. But um all right next i've got um this and uh oh goodness i'm not sure how long this is all going to go today.

Um and we started late uh phil vischer of course of veggie tales fame is as woke as you can get. I mean i guess the reason that people keep making reference to him and things like that it was because of veggie tales.

But look the guys got two left wings. He's as he's as woke as they come and it's like he's not saying anything that all the other woke people aren't saying. So i'm not sure why he gets quite as much attention as he does.

But he uh he had jamar tisby on. And of course we've watched the trajectory of jamar tisby over a number of years now uh moving farther and farther and farther to the left. And now he's into the if the anti-racism stuff.

And so what you need to understand is this is another abusive language. He's literally going to say that you are either promoting racism or you're fighting racism. There is no middle ground. And of course the definition of racism is the new definition not the biblical definition of racism.

Not uh treating someone uh unjustly on the basis of hatred and thinking that you're better because of your skin color. No no no no. And as you listen to this conversation what i want to point out to is how america-centric it is.

It is meaningless in canada. It's meaningless in mexico. It's meaningless in saudi arabia. It's meaningless in zimbabwe. It's meaningless in russia. It's super meaningless in in china. Um it's all us and our history and how our history is there.

There is no past. What happened. The past is as much a reality today. There can be no progress. There can be nothing today is as bad as uh 1859. It's it's just as bad. But it's only about certain groups.

So i've pointed out uh i don't know if you saw the horrific video and it was just and i realized i found out later on it was just security cam video. I i was thinking someone was recording this and they were.

Probably that meant it was a setup. It wasn't. It was security cam video of a black man a black 19 year old man attacking and knocking to the ground an 84 year old uh man from thailand and killing him he died.

And there is a tremendous amount evidently in that and this is in san francisco there's a tremendous amount of of anti-asian black racism. There's a racism. And that's exactly what you would expect from a biblical perspective.

Why. Because you're telling a community for years on end that you can't commit a certain sin. That's the best way to produce a sin i've ever thought of tell a whole group of people you can't be this sin.

That's gonna make sure that you're probably gonna get a lot of that sin amongst those people. It's absurd it's evil. But it is the the standard orthodoxy today. And it's part and partial of the woke message.

So you will get a now what's interesting is phil vischer will in a snarky way push back with objections which shows they know exactly what the issues are. They won't deal with the actual presentation of meaningful arguments about it.

But they know what the issues are. So i want you to hear a little bit of use of religious language at the beginning and then filling that religious language with completely political social justice neo-marxism after that rather than well you know here we have this biblical example here.

Or actually you know we need to be careful not to to uh just use american examples here. Uh but you know social justice in the philippines looks different than social justice in china which looks different.

You know that kind of stuff. You don't get that it's all you know we're gonna do the equality and equity thing solely on the basis of the black experience in the united states. Not the chinese experience united states not the irish experience not the italian.

No no other group. That doesn't matter. They don't. They don't fit the narrative because all sorts of other groups have been disadvantaged over time. Well they were never enslaved. I would say that the chinese were.

I i would say that the that the working conditions of chinese workers in the western part of the united states at a later time closer to our time were worse than many situations under slavery decades down or down the way.

So if you applied this thinking there should be reparations for chinese americans. The problem is asians are actually being discriminated against because of this narrative in jobs and education. Because they do so.

Well because they don't allow what happened back then to determine where they are now. So so here's jamar tisby uh with phil visher. Let's uh let's listen to what they had to say. We're fighting for racial justice.

That's kind of a controversial term. Because different people define it differently. How do you define it. Just so we know when we're going in to the book. Yeah.

So it it means um giving people what they are due. And in the case of racial justice number one it's shaped biblically by the doctrine of the image of god and and and what god says we are due uh as human beings it speaks to the the grand and simple.

Could i just point out that even in jesus's own.

Parables he said that a an employer has the right to bring workers in at different times and yet pay them all the same was that equality and equity. Um he his parables talk about kings and the rights of kings to engage in war to execute people to punish servants who do not um perform in the way they knew they should in front of a king.

These are all things that jesus said. And obviously we have to take those parables and then make application globally not just the united states. If we make application in the united states based upon a particular enforced reading of our own history and then export that outside the united states the result has been disastrous and is damaging to the cause of the gospel.

Just i mentioned that in light of what was when it said what we're due to do on what basis. Well as human beings. Okay does that mean that you are owed the same position as someone else. What's going to happen here is he's he's going to argue that because of what happened 160 years ago or even 60 years ago that black americans should be given advantages over white americans today to allow them to catch up in the race.

That's going to be the that's you know the affirmative action stuff and reparations and all the rest of them. And we see once you cross the border into canada that's no longer relevant once you go across the border in mexico that's no longer relevant totally different situations.

And so this is just in america. But they don't leave it just in america. That's that's the problem with that. So that's that's the difference between equality and equity as it's going to be defined here.

Okay. So but oh so difficult to live out.

Principle loving one's neighbor as oneself. Um and it speaks to the idea of loving your neighbor.

As yourself has absolutely positively nothing to do with the color of his skin. And in the church it has nothing to do with who his ancestors were. Has nothing to do with who his ancestors were. Whatsoever if i have.

I was talking with a couple that's just joining our church. Um sunday night a black brother and uh. But. But not a black wife. Not a white wife. Um brown. Let's go let's go. That direction. Okay. If either one of them experienced prejudice in employment housing anything like that i would want us to do everything we could to have that inequality addressed in terms of justice.

Justice needs to be done. Doesn't matter what color their skin is. And if they are if they if they encounter racists then those racists need to be rebuked. But the same thing is true whether we're talking about asians.

How about whether we're talking about russians. Oh yeah russians. Should. Should russians be discriminated against because they're russian. Well they are white. You see any type of injustice needs to be addressed in a just fashion.

And when you demand a particular reading of history and ignore the sufferings the chinese had ignore the sufferings the irish had my own ancestors. I've shown you pictures on this program. My progenitors came here in abject poverty.

Should i demand that i receive the fruits of the labors of other people whose ancestors came with riches because my ancestors were dirt poor. That's what we're getting. That's what you're getting here.

That's that's what you're gonna hear. Particularly in its racial.

Dimensions that black people and people of color have not been given are are due in terms of equity in terms of distribution of resources in terms of opportunity and it speaks to the idea that we let.

Me ask a question. Are there any black americans who were given their quote-unquote. Do. Were there. Have there ever been any rich black americans. Are there any rich black americans today. Are there rich black americans who inherited their wealth.

Are there rich black americans who for example have received riches from less than beneficial sources. Do we just overlook that. What about white americans who have been put in difficult positions for holding to positions of morality when they could have gone another direction and been benefited.

You see that's that's the insanity of using race ethnicity as the standard and saying all blacks are in one group. All whites are another group. All asians are another group. All hispanics are in another group.

That's just absurdity. It's absurdity on its face. And yet that's that's what we're.

Facing that's what we're facing to be intentional and be actively working to ensure equity and justice. We can't simply i say this in the book um you are either actively working against racism or you are supporting racism whether actively or passively.

Now how would a christian.

Oppose racism by living justly in light of god's law not by being a neo-marxist not by demanding that someone give their money which god says is for their children and their grandchildren to you. Not through income redistribution not through rejecting the fact that god blesses some and not others.

None of that biblically but see this is biblical. You don't get the biblical argument like i said. You get the language but you don't get the debate because this stuff is based upon identity politics critical theory all that kind of.

It's not. It's not based. This is not flowing from the text of scripture. This is coming from out here. And then you form the text of scripture and you make sure to make reference to it. But it's not.

Flowing from the text of scripture at all. Uh there's no in between. You're supporting it feels.

Offensive that feels offensive to me. Yeah. Well so remember anti-racism you know kindy and all the stuff that's very very very popular these guys are bringing this into the church. And the thing is anti-racism is actually racism because the the language is under assault.

And so if you for example say well i i don't i don't look at a person's skin color to judge them. Um i actually you know sort of fulfilled the dream of martin luther. Oh no no no no you can't do that.