March 28, 2016 Show with Bill Blankschaen on “You Will Be Made to Care: The War on Faith, Family & Your Freedom to Believe” PLUS John Preston on “One Man’s Deliverance From Addiction”

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Proverbs 27 verse 17 tells us iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another. Matthew Henry said that in this passage quote we are cautioned to take heed whom we converse with and Directed to have in view in conversation to make one another wiser and better.

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Bill Blankshain on Faith Walkers and Living an Authentic Christian Life

Well, good afternoon. Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. And the rest of humanity who are living on the planet Earth listening via live streaming. This is Chris Arntz and your host of iron sharpens iron wishing you all a happy Monday on this 28th day of March 2016.

And I'm delighted to have for the second time on iron sharpens iron my guest today Bill Blankshain. He is a faith blogger speaker an author of the book A story worth telling your field guide to living on with an authentic Christian life from Abingdon Press.

But today we're discussing another book You will be made to care the war on faith Family and your freedom to believe that he co-authored with Eric Erickson. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron Bill Blankshain.

Well, it's my pleasure to be back with you Chris. I enjoyed our earlier session and thrilled to be back and have a little more time to talk this time.

Yeah, I'm delighted about that. And let me once again introduce you to my co-host the Reverend buzz Taylor and welcome back. Well glad to be here for those of our listeners who did not hear Your last interview.

If you could let our listeners know about faith walkers.

Sure.

Well, you know faith walkers is a website faith walkers calm. And it really kind of captures the essence of where my heart is kind of the heart of my ministry. Is that I'm passionate about helping Christians live an authentic?

Life of abundant Faith and along that is born of my own personal story of stepping out to follow the calling that God had placed on my life. And and through that having my faith tested in ways I never imagined possible.

And you know. What I've realized is that oftentimes we as Christians will go through life without ever really having to live by faith. We say we do we talk about it a lot, but when push comes to shove we choose the safe comfortable route.

Instead of speaking the truth in love instead of following what God has put on our hearts instead of reaching out to others. You know, so we we stay in the boat if I can use the Peter analogy. And so my my passion is about helping people to get out of the boat.

And to walk in a way of wisdom as they follow Christ. I mean, obviously this could be The topic of several more interviews, but you mind sharing at least a couple of these ways in which your faith was tested.

Yeah. For many years I actually helped start and then led a Christian school near Cleveland, Ohio. That we saw growth we started on my heart that I had that he wanted to put to him for many years. I read a lot of money in Christian ministry, but at least I knew.

What to expect that for a year with no income to work through that. Well, what does that mean. God? Where do you want me? I'm open. I just need you to be. That process of figuring that out. It culminated actually in our relocating from Ohio down here to Atlanta, Georgia.

Where we live now. And so, you know. It's been it's been a journey and I've learned a lot of lessons to that and I wrote about a lot of those lessons in that book a story worth telling at that time and.

So that's basically the The summary of the other book that I mentioned. The story worth telling your field guide to. Yeah, I'm authentic life.

Well, yeah, and the story there is really the backdrop about me it's about you.

So that would help you to determine the difference between as you said you sought wise counsel. I would be hard-pressed to know sometimes the difference between wise counsel and foolishness.

Yes, absolutely. Yes, I do talk about that in there and I have some other resources at faith walkers calming and help with that too. For example, one of the things is when you get wise counsel from people.

You need to get it from people who have been there. Done that right, right not people. Because I got advice from some people who said yeah.

And I'm assuming as a caveat to what you just said You're not suggesting that every area of life when somebody is looking for biblical guidance They need to speak with a pastor or Christian who has actually experienced what they have personally gone through.

I mean in other words a person hopeless struggling with addictions or homosexuality or any list of things doesn't need to speak only or Solely to a person who's going through that specific journey in their life.

Correct, correct. Yeah, and I don't advocate any one particular perspective. You know, I think it's good to do right what you're contemplating doing it specifically I'm talking about and figuring out God's calling and direction.

You're in your vocation in your career, right? And we're never really taking it and I'd like to announce our email address if anybody would like to join us on the air.

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That's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Well going back to the main topic the the topic that we began during our first interview with you. Your book you will be made to care. Please explain that title.

Yes with Eric Erickson and that the main title came from him when he was at a conference several years ago the topic Of us. He's being forced to come to really be symbolic. About what we call upon everyone else.

Force their worldview upon everyone else and the rest of us must be made to be Quiet and go along and in some cases to celebrate what they wish us to celebrate.

You know the thing the thing that's ironic is that? Not that long ago in our nation's history Liberals were often champions of freedom of speech and wanted the diversity of ideas to be present. With equal measure if you will in the public square.

They they weren't insisting that there's be the only tolerated views. They were just wanted to be included in the discussion in public and now it seems. Correct me if I'm wrong in your assessment, but it seems Liberalism by and large in the United States has really become leftist totalitarianism.

It's not really liberalism in the classic sense. Now before the program began you were telling me that there were some recent developments in Georgia. I don't know if it's involved in Amory University, but if you could.

Discuss what's what's going on in Georgia that you wanted to mention?

Yeah, I'd be happy to you know. Every university is probably in its own little bubble over in here in the state of all Americans. Enjoy at the federal level. Thanks to the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act signed by President Clinton.

It was a bipartisan measure. And it guaranteed certain it guaranteed that the courts had to understand to interpret the First Amendment in certain ways. But as the courts ruled in the years to follow they ruled that those protections all and not the state level who guard against a religious freedom being infringed throughout.

Individual state states began to take that Religious Freedom Restoration Act and pass it in their own state. So they some sort either through specific laws or through the courts. Well, Georgia attempted to pass that same legislation.

They met with stiff resistance last year and ended up not getting it passed. So this year you'll hear we're going to ask for a crumb. We want protection for pastors so that they are not forced to conduct ceremonies.

That violate their core religious organizations, and that's it. We want them to be able to say we don't have to hire people who we believe are engaged in sinful behavior. We don't have to rent our facility for engagement.

It's a very simple very narrow religious freedom trials wide support and today creation, etc. Who cried discrimination and frankly told a whole lot of lies about what was in the bill? In order to make their case and so just today we have seen this legislation go down.

Actually, very troubling development religious freedom protection and this is in the Bible Belt. Well, I think Atlanta was like the book going on here that connects the presidential elections as well.

There's a lot of people in the Bible Belt who say they are Christians and that's about the extent of their religion. You know, it's more of a cultural thing than a deeply heart Production facilities and so forth and it's the way that he did it.

What he said was he had no problem protecting religious freedom of pastors. But when they tried to protect the religious freedom of others that crossed the line with termination. And so what that means is that we are now going to see Lawsuits against pastors very evident that the state will not protect the veto.

So we're going to see a lot of a few lawsuits against religious organizations, but I used to run a Christian school. You know. This is always in the back of our mind of these situations that could develop and now that it is very evident to all that We have no protection.

I Can very easily see groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center and others now making their move.

Yeah, and for those of our listeners who are unfamiliar with that organization it had a noble beginning in trying to battle the evils of the Ku Klux Klan in the South and protect the lives and rights of predominantly black citizens of the South and other minorities Jewish minorities and others but This organization has really morphed into a vehemently anti-christian organization.

That's that blacklists individuals and has them Posted on the internet as if they are criminals on a wanted poster. Literally. I'm not even exaggerating Identifying them as You know as people guilty of hate crimes just because they have Written or spoken publicly against the sins of homosexuality and other things.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we could talk all day about the many wonderful things that they've done. But people need to understand there are organs are going to get banished.

This is just mind-boggling now. Do you think that? That Christians because of what is happening. We also have to be very careful When we want the government to place restrictions on people's Ideologies views behavior.

I mean within reason there are certain things there Universally looked upon as criminal that if people were to act out upon them In the realm of sexual activity or other things they would be dangerous to everyone around them.

But don't we need to be more cautious than perhaps we were in the past even as you know Short time ago is in the 80s and 90s when you used to see a lot of evangelical protests Demanding that the government shut certain things down that had liberal agendas that offended the moral sensibilities of Christians and Those who believe in the Bible, but don't we have to be careful here?

But the control of government is really what I'm talking about.

The War on Faith, Family, and Religious Freedom

Yeah. You will be made to care. A lot of what we're seeing we saw there was an over emphasis on government what we've seen now a younger Christian responsibility and duty with God. But then second to we've got the luxury here being in the greatest nation ever and so there's both of those things happen.

But you're right for too long.

But and. So, where do you think if things continue to go the way they are going right now. I mean, I'm not asking you to prophesy with infallibility, but If you could give me your opinion on how bad within the next 10 years this nation will get if things go uninterrupted either by.

The.

By human beings coming to their right sentence sense senses or through a miraculous work of God. Well, what do you see happening is regarding the restriction of Christian freedom in 10 years, right?

Well, once again, I'm gonna. We have. We have several chapters I've checked in trying to deal with these family without using the words wife and husband or even the concepts behind me. Imagine the insanity so worth it.

Time for Christian serious about their beliefs and get our priorities back in the right place.

Well, what do you think? about. Or how would you respond? I should say to someone who would say that you are fear-mongering and it's really laughable for us here in the United States to talk about being persecuted when there are Christians and Members of other religions and so on being massacred all over the world and tortured in unspeakable and barbaric ways and we complain and whine just because We may get a fine here or there or what have you.

How do you respond to that kind of a thing?

Yeah. Well, first of all, it's more than a fine here and there, you know. Talk to Aaron because they had. We tend to trivialize that, you know. Saying that greater persecute the fact that it is rising here, right?

And so we suffer even more for their faith. Well, let me ask a question about that because.

What I hear a lot of times is well, you know. We're deserving this because we're not doing anything about it. And you know when I think about the whole situation.

What is there that can be done about it. In fact, well, that's a good question to pick up and answer when we return from the break. Because we have to go to a break right now. And so if anybody else would also like to join Us on the air with a question for Bill Blank.

Shane our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. We already do have a couple of listeners waiting patiently to have their questions asked and answered. But we'll get back to you at some point after the break.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Don't go away. We're gonna be right back with Bill Blank. Shane and our discussion of his book. You will be made to care.

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The Second Hour: John Preston’s Testimony of Conversion and Recovery

Welcome back. This is Chris Arnson. If you just tuned us in our guest today is Bill blank Shane. We are discussing his book. You will be made to care co-authored by Eric Erickson and our Co-host today in studio is Reverend buzz Taylor.

And if you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris Arnson at gmail .com. I'd also like to make a quick announcement the Iron sharpens iron radio pastors luncheon springtime pastors luncheon is scheduled for Thursday April 28th and We are treating pastors to a free gourmet lunch they're going to hear a Fascinating message.

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He's also the host of a television program called Jesus or Muhammad that is on the Trinity Channel and He is going to be speaking and each of the pastors who come Are going to be walking out with a very heavy bag or box filled with books That have been donated to us by major Christian publishing companies like Baker and others Solid ground Christian books whose ad you just heard and many other publishers InterVarsity Press Presbyterian and Reform Publishing also known as P &R Publishing and on and on and on we're going to be probably giving each man about 15 books absolutely free of charge.

The whole event is free of charge. We have room for possibly 30 more pastors to join us. So if you live near Pennsylvania or if you can travel there Email me at Chris Ornson at gmail .com. Chris Ornson at gmail .com if you have interest in attending it's going to be held at the magnificent Thornwald mansion very historic mansion erected in the earlier part of the 20th century and was a place where major politicians national politicians and Societies elites were lavishly entertained in the early 1900s.

It has been recently restored and that is the the location of our Pastors lunch and so we hope that you can attend tell your pastor or tell pastors that you know near Pennsylvania. To try to attend this from 11 a .m. To 3 p .m. On Thursday, April 28th.

And we'll be announcing that quite often God willing for the remainder of the month of April. And buzz reverend buzz Taylor if you could restate your question to our guests bill.

Well, of course now we you know, we listen to some of the events that you've been mentioning going on around the nation and In discussions with other individuals about similar things. I hear a lot. Well, that's because nobody's doing anything about it.

You know, we deserve all this because we're not doing anything about it. And then I think about it.

Can individuals do. Well, you know when you say we Christians deserve this.

Like persecution or this right. This, you know, it wouldn't happen if we were doing something about it kind of thinking and you know when but it seems like this stuff is so entrenched and in our face anyway that You know, I'm very hard-pressed to know what to tell people.

What can you do? I mean you can talk to your friends about it.

Is that it. And obviously pray. But what else. I'm sure you'd love a lot of the books that we're going to be giving.

Practical thing for a for a church to do. Number one. Preach the gospel and preach a gospel that unites grace. Preach a gospel that defines love. Things that pastors can do. Deal with. Sin doing the journey.

Much to speak out on these a lot of pastors. And finally, I think you're just recognizing that.

You know, you know the irony is that you have special interest groups. You have people from the homosexual Backgrounds either they themselves are participating in the activity or they are just advocates of them.

And you have those liberals that equate. Which drives me up a wall to no end. It just makes me cringe and furious, but they equate. Being a member of a particular race or ethnic minority with being homosexual.

It's all in the same spectrum if you will. Homosexual black Hispanic, you know that kind of a thing.

But.

On one hand you have these liberal or leftist activists Wanting to be treated Equally when in many cases they already have superior rights to us. But at the same time it's as if they are demanding. They would never say this.

They would never openly admit this but the the logical outcome of what they are saying. Very often is they are demanding that we treat these people like little children. We had. In other words We have to parse our words very carefully because we're going to be Hurting their feelings if we say things in a certain way.

Even if our intentions are purely good and from a motive of love. They will see attacks and they will see hatred in every sentence or in every word or phrase. That comes from us even though these hateful attacks are just figments of their imagination.

In my in my far-off base here by saying that they're demanding to be treated like little children.

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's really and by young I mean, you know, and I'm a lot of the progressive ideology progressive ideology added progress through history of Humanity and so they believe that progress whatever that may be.

Yes. Yeah, and unfortunately though we have.

Brothers and sisters in Christ. Because they live in the same culture that we do. Who have been it seems? Brainwashed by the leftist agenda and they Even though they are Bible believing Christians who share many of our beliefs. They still very often want us to follow some kind of handbook of Ethics and etiquette.

I should say handbook of etiquette is a better way of saying it with a protocol on What words we should and should not use? Went like for instance, it seems as I've been discovering recently for a white Christian to mention anything that is Troubling.

Regarding like black youth in the in the inner city and so on things like that crime statistics you are immediately being called a racist and It's as if only black Christians can mention these things.

Or what have you. Am I? Am I getting you nervous here by saying this or am I off base?

No, I think. And I think all of us all right through that way. You know and and that's really what's happening here is.

Mm-hmm. And of course Jesus wasn't always nice the way people define nice. What he called the Pharisees whitewashed sepulchers filled with dead men's bones makes Vipers hypocrites.

Well, see Jesus hung out with prostitutes and the woman at the well he was, you know kinder her. But we yes. In fact, he demanded that they change move forward. And for those that right. Amen. And.

We do have a listener. He his name is CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, I don't know why you're giggling.

That sounded really interesting. We do have a listener.

Very encouraging. It's always nice to have your co-host and salt your program. But anyway, we have CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island who says I had heard your co-author Eric Erickson is opposed to the presidential candidacy of Donald Trump and I was wondering if you felt comfortable sharing your own views.

In what regard. Well, I don't know that the person would have to really send another email for me.

Yeah, I'll be I'll be happy to share my own views. I don't speak for Eric and he doesn't speak for me in that regard. Although we are pretty much in strong agreement on this and I'm you know, the issues that matter for me As a Christian are matters of religious freedom and and on all those issues.

Frankly I find a Donald Trump to be morally repugnant As a person and so there's a question of more repugnancy. But there's also a question of the issues on the issues his entire life. He has yeah, it seems there are Christians even Christians.

That I know who would agree with me theologically on maybe 99 of.

The.

Doctrine I hold to but there are some who seem to Contradict their own theology by behaving as if You must vote for the Republican candidate that wins the primary. Because the fate of this very country is in our hands when we vote they forget even if they believe Fully in the sovereignty of God that he is in control and some view Abstaining from voting in a particular election because they Feel like their conscience is being violated by voting for any of the candidates.

They're running that they're being treated as if they're wicked or sinners in some respect. I know that this is not the the focus of your book, but if you could comment on your thoughts on that.

Well in some ways it is connected and and here's why what I hear from a lot of Trump's about enforcing our freedom madness going out of control and. People are generally have a sense of the problem with that is we've seen this before.

You know we saw this with the Roman Republic. We had a very sick wasn't getting a lot done people were being and we are very much in danger of doing the same and so.

I.

Share the frustration that people have both with our cultural madness and with Republicans in leadership quite frankly. Who have and Republicans and Democrats alike and so I share that frustration. But I do not see at all any grounds for putting any confidence in Donald Trump in fact.

Many plenty of grounds for never putting never trusting him to watch my dog for that matter but We have to be very careful as Christians that we don't put our trust in a man and that's I think what you were getting at that our trust has to be in God in his kingdom as it moves forward and Yeah, there has to be not do this with a clean conscience.

And that's kind of where we connect with the book. Is some people are basically implying and saying you will be made to vote for the candidate that I want you to vote for. We can make our arguments we can make our case.

We can even you know a society to the extent that we can to try to influence people to vote one way or another. But the end of his rallies is violence, and so I think you're gonna see this in July the Republican Convention.

You're gonna see Progresses they're organized and rallying trying to start. We do have an anonymous listener from the United Kingdom.

Who says. I am troubled by some of the Christianity being expressed by my brothers in Christ in the United States many of whom Would be very reflective of my own personal theology. But all too often in the public square seem to intermingle their politics with their faith.

Not to mention it seems the heroes of American Western movies as if that is the identity of a Christian. I'm speaking of The the machismo that is present in many American films and in the The public's speeches of many of your politicians that claim to be Christian if you could comment.

Yeah, I'm not exactly. I'm not exactly sure what they're referring to. Yeah, and one of the one of the reasons that I express concern to a.

Very zealous Trump supporter. Who happens to be a Christian. And I said. Basically, they were making the claim or the accusation that all politicians lie. They all Exaggerate. They all mock the other candidates that are running against them.

You know, you're whoever you're voting for you're always inevitably going to be voting for a liar and a Mocker. And what I have said to some of them is that as a Christian if We as Christians in mass rally behind someone that even secular society views as in a moral obnoxious narcissistic Crude Dishonest individual.

And especially one who cannot even fake. When asked in public if he ever asked God for forgiveness, he actually said no. I have a concern about What wrath? God may pour upon this country that I live in as a result of our leaders that we as Christians Giddily support rising to power now.

I know God is in control of every man who has ever risen to power or woman who has ever risen to power in any nation. But obviously I'm not a hyper Calvinist. I am a thoroughgoing Calvinist and a reformed Christian.

But there is a responsibility we as humans have When it comes to everything that we do on this earth and including voting and so on. But if you could sure is that my reacting in a biblical an appropriate way in your opinion by mentioning something like that.

Well, yeah, I think saying that all politicians are liars and still have actually because I believe precisely because that is. You mentioned, you know, right? You know because it will be incredibly destructive first of all.

He's not going to win about because any data out there shows that he's going to lose and lose horribly and the impact of that. Because he's going to take a lot of people down ticket with him when he loses.

Just let us have what we want and well.

I want to make sure that You can sum up in two minutes what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners about your book Before you leave the program today.

Well, thank you for that. Yeah, I would encourage people to visit. You will be made to care calm because you'll find out more about the book. Documenting the other thing they need to remember not a time to pull this is the time to re-engage.

Not a time not a very concrete strategies. This is the way Forward at least to start and that is you will be made to care calm.

You will be made to care calm and I'm assuming if someone wants to invite you to speak For their function or their church or their organization. All that information is on that site. I'm assuming.

You can go to faith walkers calm for that and I'd be happy to do that.

That's faith walkers. Calm for the second website, well, thank you so much. Bill blank. Shane I really do want you to come back and discuss The next thing that comes from your pen or things that you've already written That we haven't addressed yet that would love to have you back as soon as possible.

Thank you very much. All right. Well god bless you brother. Thank you guys.

All right.

All right.

And I hope that our listeners don't go away because we do have a second guest coming up now for our second hour of broadcasting today. My friend and pastor Bill Shishko of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Franklin Square are highly recommended To me to interview our next guest.

Pastor Bill just to let you know has been a dear friend of mine through thick and thin and that includes during my Wicked lapse back into habitual and unrepentant drunkenness that I went through after 18 years of sobriety and Friends like him were tools in God's hand that that God used to restore me to faithfulness and Into a right relationship and not only with God himself But with the church.

And he has highly recommended that I interview today a member of his congregation John Preston who was a former addict and has What pastor Bill Shishko believes are some valuable thoughts on the issue of addiction.

So when we come back from our break, we're going to be joined God willing by John Preston. So don't go away. We'll be right back after these messages.

John Preston’s Conversion, Addiction, and Deliverance

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